So, Monica Roberts, author of the blog TransGriot totally hates Queerty readers. According to her, you’re ” emblematic of the selfishness, privilege, racism and transphobia inherent in some elements of the GL community”, because we’re pretty stingy with our comment-moderation and some of you say some thoughtless stuff about transgender folks sometimes. We’ve invited Monica multiple times to come talk with us, but she’d rather yell at you from the safety of her own blog, which is too bad for everyone.
But today’s attack, in which she shows off a new, wonderfully heart-warming ad featuring a positive transgender message from an Argentinian bank, prompted her to say, “maybe some of Queerty’s readers need to see this.” And hey, it’s a great ad, so check it out. Between this ad and news that the country overturned its gay military ban, we’re seriously thinking about pulling a Che and heading off to Argentina for a spell.
blake
Awesome! Could you imagine the evil fundies having a seizure after seeing an American version of this? 🙂
ajax
Totally beautiful.
emb
OK great, now a bank ad made me cry at work. Makes me even happier we’re heading to Argentina for vacation in a few weeks; maybe I’ll open an account and sniffle some more. Thanks for sharing this, Queerty and Monica!
osocubano
Damn, that’s nice.
blake
Japhy,
To be fair to Ms. Roberts, she was specific about the comments that she found offensive. The comments were vile: http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2009/03/queerty-transphobia-racism-and-white.html
” —>I did not matriculate with a Juris Doctor in Law so to defend transvestites. I did so for selfless reasons, to work on bringing marriage equality for gay men and lesbians everywhere. It pains me when all our hard work is undermined by crossdressers, most of whom as Tyra shows, are welfare recipients, homeless and addicted to illicit drugs. They’re embarrassing and as a “community” bring out reputation into disrepute.<—
TransGriot readers, here’s an example of an ‘educated fool’. The major thing that brings this community into disrepute is the breathtaking ignorance you’re demonstrating in this comment.
Shannon Minter, the attorney who argued the Cali court decision giving you your marriage rights is a transman. Most of your so called hard work to gain your rights was on the backs of transpeople. Oh BTW, your racism is now on display as well. Not all transpeople are on welfare, drugs, or homeless either.”
It is a shame that she did not want to speak to you directly.
thisismikesother
This is so ridiculously heart warming that I don’t even know what to think. Just like @Blake said, I can’t even imagine what would happen if this were to be played in the US.
But without a doubt, if I had money in Argentina, I’d be moving every Argentine Peso into their bank.
33mhz
It’s a shame she feels that way about Queerty, but she’s also right.
However, I’m willing to do my part to turn the tide. I firmly believe that control over the expression of your gender is a fundamental human right. It’s not possible to have liberation for straight women or GLBs without trans-liberation.
Transphobic GLBs deserve nothing more than your violent contempt.
hardmannyc
I’m heading to Argentina, too.
JEFFREY YORK
I just wish the fundies here wouldn’t freak over same sex ads. This one is beautiful. There seem to be a lot of things the United States could learn from the rest of the Americas.
EdWoody
It certainly is delightful and heartwarming, but it seems tangentially connected to banking at best.
getreal
*sniffle* Even homophobes can change.
Ian
This is a beautiful ad, brings tears to my eyes.
And I agree with Monica, some people here are terribly ignorant and say things that are offensive to transgender people. You’d think that as gays we’d have more empathy towards them since we know what it’s like to be discriminated against, but it seems like many gays don’t.
Michael vdB
I think it is a great advertisement. It is heart warming and touching in every aspect and I commend the bank and the country for progressing.
I find it interesting that Monica is painting Queerty and its readers with the same brush. Which is ironic because she is fighting against that every day in respects with the transgendered fight for equality. I am sure there have been comments made that are offensive and those people are ignorant. I have not been one of those people to make those comments so just because I read Queerty, that makes me one of those people by association?
My thoughts are to treat others with the same respect you want to be treated with. Don’t assume anything.
Andrew W
Though the comment Monica highlights is abominable and is worth calling out, it seems rather craven to bill it as ‘Queerty transphobia’ and stick a Queerty logo on top of it.
That is a very beautiful – and beautifully acted – ad. I’m surprised and touched that it exists.
julian
I love Monica and TransGriot, but I also love Queerty. I’m sorry she doesn’t want to talk about this, but perhaps you can understand a little? It’s difficult to talk about trans issues in a gay space, especially when comments like the one that came out, although I do dislike that she tarred all Queerty readers with the same brush. Clearly we’re not all like that, as some of us are trans, or at least trans-allies.
Anyhow, FUCKING AWESOME AD.
bb
Sososo beautiful
Mr. Enemabag Jones
“…because we’re pretty stingy with our comment-moderation…”
You really believe that?
J
Amazing. You obviously all got it, but I think its fantastic that this bank is saying, “We did wrong, we’re sorry.” And I think it had a lot to do about banking. It shows that that bank in particular is sorry for not treating trans people with respect, the man is symbolic for the bank.
Also, I think it’s awful that any gay man would say such a thing about a trans person. There is one thing that unites us all and that is existing outside of the traditional gender binary. I think although attitudes to gays have changed, attitudes to trans people haven’t as much because they don’t have the same visibility, they’re not as numerous, but they still deserve our resounding respect.
As a young gay man Queerty is my only source for gay news and it’s awful to have it in disrepute over the comments of a person our community would be better without.
Don’t hate, participate!
Charles J. Mueller
@blake: Hi Blake,
I went to the link you kindly posted and was just dumbfounded by this man’s comments.
As a gay, 72 year old, middle class, white, businessman who was present at Stonewall I have been politically active ever since.
People like Harvey Milk, Craig Rodwell, Barbara Gittings and Dick Leitsch were close, personal friends of mine who were among the early gay rights leaders. There were, of course, others before them, but that would be before my time.
I am so embarrassed, as we come to celebrate the 40 year anniversary of Stonewall, that a member of our LGBT community, a man of privilege no less, can speak so despicably against a fellow human being.
On behalf of the LGBT community, I apologize for this man’s over the top comments. I would like to think that this bigoted and hateful man does not speak for the rest of our community, for it it does, we are in deep trouble.
anderson cooper is my future husband
It is sad a few idiots have to make the website look bad when most people here are cool.It is terrible that a few kooks make it so hard for people who are different. If you really
@Charles J. Mueller: “I am so embarrassed, as we come to celebrate the 40 year anniversary of Stonewall, that a member of our LGBT community, a man of privilege no less, can speak so despicably against a fellow human being.” REALLY????
If anyone wants to see how outrageously hypocritical that statement is look at this. And watch the person who wrote that show you his true colors. The astounding lesson in hypocrisy starts around the 15th post I believe by the time you reach the end you see some real fireworks and I agree I hope this does not speak for our community
http://www.queerty.com/good-riddance-to-james-dobson-20090227/
I
anderson cooper is my future husband
It is sad a few idiots have to make the website look bad when most people here are cool.It is terrible that a few kooks make it so hard for people who are different.
@Charles J. Mueller: “I am so embarrassed, as we come to celebrate the 40 year anniversary of Stonewall, that a member of our LGBT community, a man of privilege no less, can speak so despicably against a fellow human being.” REALLY????
If anyone wants to see how outrageously hypocritical that statement is look at this. And watch the person who wrote that show you his true colors. The astounding lesson in hypocrisy starts around the 15th post I believe by the time you reach the end you see some real fireworks and I agree I hope this does not speak for our community it’s embarrassing that some feel the need to go after the weak.
http://www.queerty.com/good-riddance-to-james-dobson-20090227/
I
Sebbe
Great ad
rogue dandelion
come on this crosses over heartwarming to ridiculous- banks causing someone to change their mind about trans people? really?
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
Frau Cooper is rabidly foaming at the mouth again.
I would suggest a hurried trip to the doctor for the required shots before lockjaw sets in.
Then again, why am I saying that like it’s a bad thing?
anderson cooper is my future husband
anyone who reads your hateful comments will see you for what you are a lonely old bully and a fraud.
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
Au Contraire, Monsieur. I have you to keep me company and amuse me. 🙂
Called anybody a pedophile today, have you?
Charles J. Mueller
@Charles J. Mueller:
Since you seem to be a supporter of Zoe’s transphobia, perhaps you might like to share with us, your particular views on the topic?
“TransGriot note: Thanks to Zoe at AE Brain, we have a recent comment posted on Queerty that’s emblematic of the selfishness, privilege, racism and transphobia inherent in some elements of the GL community.”
If you can’t come up with any anti-trans material on your own, you can simply go to the following link and copy and paste any views of his/hers that coincide with yours and we’ll get your drift.
I thought this one was particularly elegant: *sarcasm font on*
“I find Ts offensive and do not want to extend any rights to them.”
http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2009/03/queerty-transphobia-racism-and-white.html
Oh…and don’t be afraid to let it all hang out. You are on a designated “safe-haven” site.
Just show your Pedophile Comment Pass on the way in.
anderson cooper is my future husband
That is not an insult. If someone says sleeping with underage boys is okay then they are a pedophile it isn’t a dirty word. You seem to really take issue with that. I guess my question is why are you so sensitive about it if it doesn’t apply to you? You have cherry picked one comment I made about 2 months ago on a thread where people were discussing adults having sex with minors. I guess my question is why do you feel so personally insulted by that comment? Hmmm…
Charles J. Mueller
Ummm…the last post should have been tagged to the attention of Anderson Cooper In My Future Husband.
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
“I guess my question is why do you feel so personally insulted by that comment? Hmmm…”
Because anyone with half a brain and a shred of self-respect, which you obviously lack, would be insulted by being accused of something for which they have no proof.
So, I in turn will now ask you, why feel the need to keep accusing me of pedophilia, over and over and over?
What’s your point and what are you trying to prove besides your stupidity?
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
And perhaps you might like to explain why you have decided to sight my in your cross-hairs to come come after, out of nowhere with no provocation whatsoever?
I would call that stalking and I believe the police would call it that as well.
vernonvanderbilt
I loved the ad, personally. Wish it wasn’t for something so despicable as a bank, but it was worth sitting through. As EdWoody pointed out, it’s a little disingenuous to connect banking and overcoming bigotry, but I don’t even care. It was short, simple, and lovely, with better acting than we generally get in commercials. It was like a heartwarming little movie.
As far as this thing with Monica and TransGriot…you know, whatever. If she wants to paint all Queerty posters with the same brush, that’s her prerogative. I’m very pro-trans, personally, and I’m a white, gay male. I may not be entirely educated on all the nuances of transgendered living, but I’m not exactly disinterested in their movement. I think setting up barriers is ineffective, no matter which side you’re standing on. Maybe someday she’ll feel the same way.
Nick
@Charles J. Mueller:
Why aren’t you dead yet?
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
“If someone says sleeping with underage boys is okay”
I never said that. An absolute lie and libelous.
All I ever presented on the topic was a link to a chart showing the legal age of consent in the various nations of the world.
That is not a blanket endorsement of anything. You are the one who came to that conclusion on your own. Obviously, you are obsessed with this subject, as so many Christers seem to be and hence the reason for repeatedly throwing that charge out against gays.
You must be either a Mormon or a Christian. Only disingenuous liars like that do this this sort of thing. Your comment about cherry-picking does not make your oft-repeated charge of pedophilia valid.
And in order to make it valid, then you need to find some record of conviction or proof of your claim and I challenge you to do so.
And failing to do that, Sir, you WILL be taken to court on a Defamation of Character suit.
Bank on it.
anderson cooper is my future husband
@Charles J. Mueller: I have gotten tired of reading you constantly using below the belt language and after I read you harass someone so bad the site intervened I decided to take you to task for it. If you don’t like it go away. You stalk through this site with your million word posts like you are an authority figure use hate language and intimidation tactics. Stop doing and I’ll stop complaining about it.
Charles J. Mueller
@Nick:
Damn. They’re coming out of the woodwork.
No. 33 · Nick
@Charles J. Mueller:
Why aren’t you dead yet?
Answer: Just to piss you off, Sir!
Have a nice day.
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
Sorry. I am not going away.
And I won’t stop defending myself from stalkers like you.
anderson cooper is my future husband
@Charles J. Mueller: I’m really shaking in my boots.
All I ever presented on the topic was a link to a chart showing the legal age of consent in the various nations of the world.”
And all I ever did was express my opinion that countries that allow 12-16 to be the age of consent are creepy and that men who want to sleep with young boys are pedophiles. You have seized on that comment as if I said something personal about you which is suspect and as if I said something abnormal or against the gay community. I would bet most people here believe sleeping with 12-16 year old is not cool. Why you take such issue with that is a mystery and frankly calls a lot of attention to you not me. Why you keep bringing it up 2 months later as an excuse for why you can call people the most vicious names is a mystery.
anderson cooper is my future husband
@Nick: I’ve often wondered that myself. How can someone who spends so much time spitting bile also be so sensitive. Boo-hoo. I’m glad people are letting him know enough!
anderson cooper is my future husband
@Charles J. Mueller: The only stalker is you the minute anyone straight or christian comes on here you are here like white on rice making sure gays look as ignorant and hateful as possible. I’m starting to think you (and your other posting name Bill) are just a Baptist preacher trying to makes us all look crazy. If you can’t contribute without being a bully go away! And if you can dish it out be man enough to take it.
Charles J. Mueller
@vernonvanderbilt:
I too thought it was a beautiful ad and it made me weep.
What puzzles me, Vernon, is how Anderson Cooper Is My future Husband, a person who came out of nowhere and who has been stalking me for several months now while repeatedly accusing me pedophilia, finds reason to take me to task for simply being embarrassed by Zoe’s anti-transperson comments?
“I’m very pro-trans, personally, and I’m a white, gay male.”
I am on exactly the same page as you. I was not defending Monica and TransGriot. Like you, I am beginning to feel that I must walk on egg shells and constantly explain myself for every word I utter.
I submit to you, what has Anderson cooper in my future husband contributed to any of these threads besides playing hall monitor, thought policeman and dispenser of justice toward anyone he does like, namely me?
Does defending my LGBT community from the despicable and unfounded comments Zoe made against trans people make me a bad person, subject to unceasing attack by someone who obviously despises me for no reason than the fact that they feel like harassing me? I never said one fucking work to this cretin.
“Anderson cooper is my future husband: I read you harass someone so bad the site intervened I decided to take you to task for it.”
That’s his sole justification for calling me a pedophile and continually harassing me like this?
I consider remarks like that very provocative and threatening and verge on Internet Stalking and is continuing despite Japhy’s blanket warning, my flagging the offensive comments and my email to him about it.
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
“are here like white on rice”
Isn’t this interesting. The exact same expression my last stalker used.
He too said he was going to “bully me like white on rice”, the only person I have ever seen use that expression on Queerty.
He stopped bullying me at about the same time Anderson cooper is my future husband made his appearance on these threads.
Nice to see you back again, Mark.
anderson cooper is my future husband
No I’m not Mark but I hope he comes back. And you are on people like white on rice. I’m glad others agree.
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
“I’m glad people are letting him know enough!”
Yep. The modus operandi of bullies. Let’s see how many people we can get to gang on one one person and beat them up.
The trademark of Christers and Mormons.
anderson cooper is my future husband
Obviously people are sick of the bullying even the moderators on the site are sick of it so when you stop it and just comment like everyone else instead of using this site as your diary. Why do I need to know about your parents marriage break-up or your domanatrix grandma 1. creepy 2. who cares. Just post comments stop attacking people if you can’t take it yourself.
anderson cooper is my future husband
As usual when someone takes his toy away (tormenting christers) he turns into a self-pitying baby. Stop calling people nazi’s liars and other vicious things and people will stop complaining about it. Anyone notice we had an actual homophobe here and he practically ignored her to bug HIS OWN KIND. Very suspect.
anderson cooper is my future husband
@Charles J. Mueller: No one has ever accused this guy of being a pedophile but everyday he brings up a 2 month old post about pedophilia defending it and who would defend it anyway? His life must be really EMPTY.
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
You’re still up and wandering about the halls of the Psychiatric Hospital at this late hour are you?
I would have thought that by now, Nurse Ratched would have strapped you into your bed for the night and administered your meds.
janey
Awwwwww I cryed to, dang now I wanna account there and I’m in Nashville TN USA
Jane Hamilton
Tina
@ Charles J. Mueller…
I notice that three times now you have erroneously referred to “Zoe’s transphobia”, “Zoe’s anti-transperson comments” and “the despicable and unfounded comments Zoe made against trans people”, when in fact Zoe simply posted a link on her blog alerting people that anti-trans comments had been made on Queerty BY SOMEONE ELSE, that was then picked up by TransGriot.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/02/todays-battles_26.html
Had you taken the handful of seconds necessary to actually follow the link to Zoe’s blog from the link to TransGriot **that you posted** above, you would have known this, and could have learned that far from being “anti trans” and “transphobic”, Zoe is a very dedicated supporter of and activist for the rights of trans- and intersexed people, and is gender variant herself-
“…for most of my life, I looked male, and lived as one, trying to be the best Man a Gal could be. Anyway, in May 2005 that started changing naturally for reasons still unclear, and I’m now Zoe, not Alan…”
And had you done even the tiniest bit of digging into the actual Queerty page in question, you could have found Zoe’s decidedly PRO-trans responses to “Ayden” who posted the transphobic comments-
Ayden’s post-
http://www.queerty.com/the-care-and-feeding-of-your-homosexual-a-users-guide-for-straights-20090220/#comment-124587
Zoe’s responses-
http://www.queerty.com/the-care-and-feeding-of-your-homosexual-a-users-guide-for-straights-20090220/#comment-125158
http://www.queerty.com/the-care-and-feeding-of-your-homosexual-a-users-guide-for-straights-20090220/#comment-125187
Seriously, you owe Zoe an apology for the careless manner in which you have repeatedly defamed her, all because you don’t care enough to get your facts straight by reading the material in question before shooting your mouth off.
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
No. 28 · anderson cooper is my future husband
“That is not an insult. If someone says sleeping with underage boys is okay then they are a pedophile it isn’t a dirty word.”
But since I DIDN’T say sleeping with underage boys is okay, it IS an insult, because I do not condone it either. YOU are the one who is lying.
So, what is your preoccupation with trying to get everyone on these threads to believe that I do condone it?
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
“@Charles J. Mueller: No one has ever accused this guy of being a pedophile”
But you did, Blance. You did. You just admitted it in your Post NO.28 that I just responded to.
You have failed to produce any proof or post, the thread that it appeared on and the date it was posted to substantiate your libelous claim.
You, Sir, are disingenuous liar and a cretin.
anderson cooper is my future husband
@Tina: Don’t take it personally he eventually attacks everyone on here. As you have seen if you have not actually done anything he will invent it like he did Zoe’s tranphobia and harp on it for days. He is confused, dramatic, just ignore it. Don’t take it personally he has to invent a vendetta every few days you will just make yourself the next target if you try to speak rationally to him. He will just accuse you of something awful and repeat it until he actually believes it himself. For instance he has convinced himself people are calling him a pedophile no one did but he has also convinced himself that another poster made his mom leave and his lover stay in another countryhim. He is just not all there. Most people just concentrate on the articles and i ignore but I think it is a bit humorous to see what he will hallucinate next.
Charles J. Mueller
@Tina: Dear Tina,
Please…calm down. I didn’t insult you personally or make a uncalled for comment about your mother. It was simply a human error, not an international incident. Obviously, since I have not heard from Zoe herself, she is not even yet aware of it.
I was exceedingly tired and bleary-eyed when I read the post and link in question, as I am at this very moment. It is becoming daybreak as I write this and I am doing so because I feel it is important not to delay a response to your concerns.
Additionally, at 72, even with reading glasses, my sight is not what it once was and with the numerous links to deal with, it was a tad confusing to me to as to who said what.
With your clarification and as I re-read it now, it was, indeed, Ayden who made the tranphobic comments and not Zoe. I thank you for bringing my error to my attention, although I must say that the stiletto heel whipping you administered was a bit excessive in my humble opinion. I might be an old man with failing vision, but I am not an ogre who is also a contemptible transphobe. the following exchange I had with Vernon today will verify that fact.
Vernon: “I’m very pro-trans, personally, and I’m a white, gay male.”
Charles J. Mueller: “I am on exactly the same page as you.”
If Zoe is reading this thread, I extend my sincerest apology to her for my mistake. Obviously, my dismay was with the person (Ayden) who made the reprehensible transphobic comments and not Zoe.
I hope this clarifies any misunderstanding.
With my very best wishes.
Charles J. Mueller
@anderson cooper is my future husband:
Fan those flames, baby. Fan them!
And do do that voodoo that you do do so well.
Renee
@Japhy Grant
You continue to prove everything Monica had to say about you. She told you quite clearly that she considered this space to unsafe and hostile and you practically called her a coward. Tell me oh brave one how anxious would you to be to interact in a place that is hostile towards you because you are a gay man? Do you think that you would feel free to express yourself?
This is what I meant about this place being HOSTILE. When someone says that they do not feel safe the way to respond, if you care about being an ally is to inquire what changes can be made to make the environment less hostile not taunt them from your position of power and privilege. You don’t know step 1 about being ally to either trans people or POC. Once again SHAME ON YOU.
Sebbe
@Renee – What “monica” didn’t post on her site was all of the debate and support that was expressed for the trans community by many (myself included, a white gay male in his 20s). I think it is important to take that into context as well. It is not Japhy’s job to edit everyone’s comments. If you had read all the comments on that post. The commenters went after that kids ignorance pretty harshly.
Sebbe
@Renee – One more thing. This is a private blog operated by the editors. Not the LGBT community center.
Charles J. Mueller
@Renee:
This white, gay male in his 70s as well.
vernonvanderbilt
@Renee: Here’s the way I see the situation after reading the post in question as well as Monica’s post.
First and foremost, I think referring to a website as “unsafe” is ridiculous unless you’re talking about a URL that installs viruses on your computer or phishes for personal info. From reading the post on TransGriot, I could only conclude that Monica’s definition of “safe” would be a site that censors any views that do not mesh with her own.
Second, maybe I’m just quirky, but I tend to enjoy it when the more ignorant among my enemies open their mouths and reveal their stupidity to the world. Generally, I find it encouraging that my foes are dimwitted morons. It sure makes me feel like I’m the one with the moral/intellectual high ground, and it lets me get to know my enemies a little better. Knowledge is power, after all, and it’s nice to get a refresher on how those people think once in a while.
Third, the jackass who made those disgusting comments was thoroughly taken to task for being an idiot by plenty of Queerty readers, especially Sebbe. That alone should be enough evidence to support the argument that painting all Queerty readers as transphobic is not only erroneous, but entirely ignorant. As far as I’m concerned, it also proves that Queerty is, ultimately, an entirely “safe” space, in the truest sense of the word. It’s safe for bigots to spew their bile (for the most part), and it’s just as safe for us rational folks to call them out on it if we so desire.
Indignant self-ghettoization advances nothing. If our trans brothers and sisters want a discussion, that’s what they can get here. If they want to be coddled and appeased, then obviously they’ll be disappointed. As someone who fully supports trans people and their inclusion in the movement, I think it would be better for everyone if there were more connection and less separation between us. Dialogue and education are how bridges are built. Censorship and pouting are great ways to burn them.
getreal
@Renee: I can tell you there are people on this site who target people but there are many more who stand up for people being bullied. It is unfortunate that some trans men and women have been made to feel uncomfortable here but at least Queerty is starting a dialogue about trans people and starting to cover them more. It’s not perfect but at least it is a start. And I think people here are expressing their support for trans people to have a safe space here.
Charles J. Mueller
@vernonvanderbilt:
As usual, you make a lot of sense. Well said.
Would that I could maintain my cool and sense of decorum as well as you do yours. It’s a terrific asset and a wonderful tool with which to build those bridges.
A tip of the hat to you, Sir. 😉
Charles J. Mueller
@getreal:
“@Renee: I can tell you there are people on this site who target people”
And who might “those” people be who target trans people, pray tell?
Stirring shit again, are we?
vernonvanderbilt
@Charles J. Mueller: Charles, no names were mentioned there. Please don’t try to turn this into an off-topic argument. There’s no reason to go there at this point.
Charles J. Mueller
@vernonvanderbilt:
I fully agree.
getreal
@vernonvanderbilt: Thanks.
Renee
@Sebbe: I am fully aware that Queerty does not represent the entirety of the GLBT community and thank God for that. The point is that from what I have seen from lurking on this blog is that it repeats the same memes as your communities over privileged myopic leaders. Many of you need to learn the meaning of the word intersectionality.
Monica Roberts
Amen, Renee. Nut what do “intersectionality” mean?
Zoe Brain
Re: Apologies
Thanks, and accepted of course, an honest mistake. I try not to sweat the small stuff, and if that’s the worst mistake you ever make in your life, you’ll be doing far better than I’ve done.
Tina – thanks for coming to my defence, it was most kind of you. I owe you one.
When you’re helping someone heal from brain-damage they received from a transphobic hatecrime, and trying to give someone else a reason to live now their children have been perpetually forbidden from seeing them again because they transitioned, you sometimes let such comparatively minor matters slide. Hence the lateness of this post. My apologies.
SA-ET
I’ve written about Monica and TransGriot’s own racist views…always shadowed under the guise and assumed protection of being written from a black perspective.
Racism is racism…color has no monopoly on it.
http://tgnonsense.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/the-pot-speaks-to-the-kettle/
Tallskin
SA-ET
Interesting blog!
I am curious, is the overwhelming predominance of angry black trannies and transexuals shouting on Queerty a symptom of something else? ie it is all a transference of anger from blacks onto white gays?
To expand on what i mean – Because they have been rejected by the black communities and they cannot, because PC discourse will not permit it, criticise the black communities that have rejected them, they therefore direct their hurt and anger onto those closest to them, ie white gays.
But of course white gays, whether racist or not, are generally not interested in trannies, certainly not as bed partners. And this must them anger them also.
Further, are there more black trannies and black transexuals than white? And if so, why is this?
SA-ET
I honestly can’t answer any of your questions, Tallskin…the truth is, I just don’t know. I give my opinion of TransGriot at the start of the blog post I linked to above, i.e., it’s not bad, but just not my cup of tea. There simply reached a point in which I realized the owner was getting a free pass. I am not an African American and can’t empathize with the prejudices that someone in that minority may have experienced. I am, however, quite able to recognize racism when I see it…regardless of whose throwing it around.
Transgender advocates are a close group and generally will support each other’s opinion on all things GLBT regardless of how absurd. Perhaps that is why no one has seriously questioned the tone of her blog.
I am in no way a transgender advocate.
Zoe Brain
>>I am curious, is the overwhelming predominance of angry black trannies and transexuals shouting on Queerty a symptom of something else?
No. Next question
One thing – you use “tranny” but not “nigger” or “faggot”. All are equally offensive. So why be so inconsistent?
FWIW I’ve seen no studies that indicate there’s any difference in the rate of transsexuality based on ethnic background, skin melanin content, hair colour etc.
Of course white gays aren’t interested in transsexual women, and as there are few trannsexual men who are also gay, less than 20%, they don’t have much choice there either. Transsexual women are either lesbian, straight, or bi, and the straights and bi’s want – I nearly said “real men” so as to reply to your offensiveness with a similar tone – straight, or possibly bi men. So why should they be angry? I think you’re projecting.
The problem is that black and latina transwomen get a triple whammy. They get denigrated because they’re women, denigrated because they’re “people of colour” and denigrated because they’re transpeople. Thank goodness the Internet has meant that they’re no longer able to be ignored and shoved to the back of the bus any more. Or under it, not without it being noticeable.
BTW I’m white, middle-class, conservative, straight, and Australian. If it’s obvious to me, then anyone in the US who doesn’t see this has to be wilfully blind.
rick
@Zoe Brain: @SA-ET: I never actually write just read comments but i do recall reading racist posts by this poster before. it amazes me when people expect people to treat us a certain way but espouse prejudice themselves.
SA-ET
Rick, I don’t look for people to treat me any differently than I treat them. When I walk outside on my way to work each morning I don’t wonder to myself “who is going to discriminate on me today.” If you are referring to me being racist due to something I have posted anywhere, on any blog I invite you to quote it hear along with the context of the quote and the link to where I said it. It’s easy to accuse someone of being racist with a bling side, “I never actually write just read…” remark.
rick
@SA-ET: I was actually pointing my remarks TO you and Zoe because your remarks seemed so intelligent. I was referring to several posters remarks whose I felt were questionable TALLSKIN for one.
SA-ET
Rick…please accept my apology, I misread your post.
rick
no problem you rock
Maria
The Che comment was insane. After all, Che was a terrorist and oppressive dictator. I guess liberals really don’t get it.