AB: As much as the book’s about newness, it’s about power. Humphrey’s so willing to give himself to Wade and also in his sexual relationship with Mr. Lansing. He even says, “So much of ‘romance’ must be this way… this cold submission and letting your boundaries be overcome.” Then Gretchen gives all of herself away –
ES: Humphrey especially, he’s pretty insecure. He’s got a really backward sense of his own self worth. I think he really thinks the only thing he has to offer – and it’s really a recent gain – is the physical side of things, especially with Mr. Lansing. He wants to stay in this new family and be of use to someone, and I think he falls back on his own body, which has been a fairly common theme attached to young female protagonists in books. In culture right now you have increasing objectification of young males, especially over the last ten years: the idea that he can be an object to be looked at and admired for its beauty. I think young men are facing it more and more, gay or straight. I wanted to approach that. For Humphrey and Gretchen, the most passionate interactions they have are uneven ones and I think that’s true for most people.
AB: That’s what passion is – there has to be that imbalance.
ES: Yes, but it just depends where you look for the imbalance. You can go for extremes, like with S&M or you can go for the more moderate sense in “I’m talking more tonight, someone else is talking more tonight”. But, yeah, there’s definitely uneven dynamics for Humphrey and Gretchen and they happen to be on the weaker side of the dynamic in most of their relationships.
AB: Have you thought about what happens to Gretchen and Humphrey?
ES: I did an interview last week and the guy asked, “Is Humphrey gay?” In ten years, I’m almost certain he would be. Right now, he’s gone through such a gothic upbringing that he can’t – he can identify acts, but I don’t think he would self-identify. He’s not ready.
AB: How old were you when you came out?
ES: It sort of goes in stages, doesn’t it? The first person I told, I was seventeen.
AB: Who was that first person?
ES: My best friend who ended up being my boyfriend the last year of high school. I had a party at my place and people were drunk. As the party was dying out at 3 in the morning, I was playing a video game and I felt somebody playing with my hair and I looked around and it was him. He had a girlfriend at the time and she sort of brokered it. She was so beyond either of us. She knew what was going on. It was one of those Southern love stories where someone has to figure it out for you.
AB: You’re from Florida.
ES: Yeah, I spent middle school and high school there.
AB: Does your mom still live there?
ES: Yeah.
AB: Do you like it?
ES: I like visiting because, living in New York, it’s nice to go to a Wal-Mart once in a while – not that I buy anything! But, yeah, I do like visiting, but only for three or four days.
AB: Poor Humphrey gets beat up a lot.
ES: Every time you have a teenage protagonist, the question is, “Is it a young adult novel?” and I wanted to write about being a teenager without the safety you get in novels about teenagers. There are always boundaries that aren’t crossed, but in real life they often are. Violence, sexual violence, non-traditional sexualities are often overlooked in young adult books – I think that’s a huge part of the teenage experience.
AB: Would you recommend this book to a teenager?
ES: It’s hard – I work with a lot of teenagers. I wouldn’t go right out there and say it, in case I offended some of their families. I think this is a book – I partially wrote it because I would have loved to read it as a teenager. I think it would be hard to officially give it to young adults, because it’s not what young adults are supposed to read.
[The New Kid‘s out now from Simon & Schuster. For his next novel, Schrefer’s tackling the ever-daunting historical novel.]
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