Time for the Queerty weekend post with ten of the most compelling, thought-provoking (or just the down-right bitchy) comments that came directly from you! And had us chuckling to ourselves in the office.
1. Logically: if I throw you under the bus, that means I am not on the bus or driving the bus. ERGO: If I am driving the bus or riding the bus, and you end up under the bus, look elsewhere for the cuprit!
—Jeffree gets all flustered by the technical misuse of the analogy on Did NY LGBs Win Marriage By Throwing Trans-Friendly GENDA Under The Bus?
2. Ben Cohen is useless, and he isn’t doing anything that’s remarkable except dropping a few words on bullying and equality AFTER he’s terminated his sports career. There’s no gamble. This is nothing but a retirement adventure for him, but you dumb queens sop it up like melted butter on a hot biscuit.
—TheRealMannequinAdam got us craving a Ben Cohen buttered biscuit on Bear Rugger Ben Cohen Reads Gay Skin Mags?
3. With the hope that Obama completes his evolution once locked into his second term, I will, of course, vote for him, as the alternatives are rather odious. Will I contribute to his campaign this time? Well, Barack, my views on that are evolving.
—James in Hollywood wants an evolved president on The NY Times Wants Obama To Support Marriage Equality. Here’s One Reason He Won’t
4. Sure it might be weird, but its the natural progression of things. If major league teams start making statements like these in support of their LGBT fans, then they also start to change the climate of professional sports (and by extension, other areas that exercise homophobia) which would make LGBT players feel more comfortable about coming out.
—Steve explains on “It Gets Better” Sounds Weird Coming From Major League Teams With No Out Players
5. When gay groups come out against gay rights lawsuits because they don’t want to upset their friends in office, then infighting is EXACTLY what needs to happen.
—Cam defends our call to arms to various queer subgroups on Hey Radical Queers In DC And Seattle… QueertyWants To Talk
6. Young voters have 20%+ unemployment and have college debt burdens and Obama has done nothing to ease their pain and they will vote for him next election. Hispanics decided the election in North Carolina and Virginia, yet no immigration reform has been presented, the DREAM Act was only introduced into Congress because they helped get Harry Reid reelected, and Obama has had the highest number of deportations of any presidential administration. Progressives haven’t received any support from the president either, he refused to walk the picket line in Wisconsin and refuses to raise taxes and wants spending cuts, and his core constituency, black voters have received no political support either, yet all these groups that actually matter will vote for him next fall.
—Casey makes the argument that the president might have over-committed on Obama: “Of Course I Don’t Support Prop 8, You Dummies”
7. “Will the simple act of leaving the LGB, rather than have them force us out, burn any chances of an alliance?” No, just the opposite. If trans folk left LGBT honorably and because it is simply in the best interests of trans people, you will have the full respect of the LGBs. We will have laid the foundation for a good alliance. I could easily see some gay groups taking a first step toward building this alliance by transferring funds to assist whatever new trans organizations arise once LGBT is over. On the other hand, if we keep pushing LGBT until the point where even the liberal, politically correct gays are howling for an involuntary break up, then it will be hard to shift over to an effective alliance. The Ts will feel attacked and the gays will be so fed up with T issues that they won’t want to think about how we can work as allies.
—Debs answers Laughriotgirl‘s question and considers an amicable break-up of the LGBT acronym on Why Is The Trans-Rights Movement 20+ Years Behind The LGB Movement?
8. Rome lasted as a kingdom, republic and empire for nearly 2000 years. Didn’t make it 200 as an officially Christian state. After that, Christianity gave us 900 years of barbarity. There’s not a lot to recommend Christianity as a political system.
—the crustybear tells us why the religious right shouldn’t be talking about doomed civilizations on That Foul Odor? It’s the Religious Right Melting Down over Marriage Equality in NY
9. Morning Goods got pretty much nothing but complaints when it was here, then complaints that it was gone, and now complaints that it’s back even at only one a week.
—Hyhybt understands how hard it is to make you happy on PHOTOS: Jordan Grows Up
10. She plans on introducing an amendment to ban same-sex marriage, revoke it in the six states; ban ENDA from coming to passage; overturn the repeal of DADT as well as Roe v. Wade. What will be left will be a theocratic, fascist state, an oligarchy of the corporate wealthy, while discrimination of every kind against gay people will be the law of the land.
—robert in NYC thinks Michelle Bachman is more scary than a clown on Michelle Bachmann: “I Have The Spirit Of A Pedophiliac, Clown-Faced, Serial Rapist In Me”
Rich J
Re: Jeffree gets all flustered by the technical misuse of the analogy on Did NY LGBs Win Marriage By Throwing Trans-Friendly GENDA Under The Bus?
Jeffree, your logic works if there is only one person in a movement against you. If the ‘bus’ is that movement (ie anti-transgender) then it is being driven and occupied by others in that movement and the person being accused of pushing one in front of that bus may or not be part of the movement but is by virtue of their action helping that movement.
Hayley
I feel and mixture of pity and disgust for queerty. I think it’s very lame that they ignore the dozens of posts criticizing queerty, but proudly display one of the very few defending their actions as “one of the best comments of the week”. Queerty has lost my respect. I’ll be reading Joe my blog from now on
the crustybastard
Almost flattered by the near shout-out, but I’m crustybastard, not crustybear.
LOL.
TheRealMannequinAdam
@the crustybastard: You ain’t shit.
@Hayley: Don’t be all pissy just because you weren’t mentioned.
Debs
The edifice of LGBT is collapsing. More and more people, both LGB and T, are recognizing that this forced merger hurts both communities, promotes ancient stereotypes about both LGBs and Ts, and has done harm to the 2 communities’ respective identities. Even in ultra-PC Canada, they are beginning to see that LGBT is not a progressive concept. It is reactionary and dishonest.
http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2011/07/02/trans-does-not-mean-gay-gender-identity-vs-sexual-orientation/
the crustybastard
@TheRealMannequinAdam:
As usual, you bring soooo much to the conversation.
You’re a treasure, you are!
Have a super holiday, and go fuck yourself.
Interesting
Anyone who thinks T is separate from LGB or any other classification under the law involving equality doesn’t understand what the legal battle for equality is about. I am not discussing the social or cultural issues or whether people feel a connection emotionally to T or whether one is exactly the same as the other. I see these sorts of arguments online even between people who are Trans or have no yet had the surgery versus those who have. I am discussing how GENDA is actually related to ENDA and all the other battles. They are derivatives of the same concept under the law regarding equal protection under the law. As my law professor, a noted scholar on LGBT legal issues, once told me when I was still wanting to be a lawyer, “there aren’t separate rights in America. They are all the same rights. The only issue is to whom they are applied.” In other words, when looking at gender, or race, or ethnicity, its the same debate as when looking at LGBT. One is going through the same test of whether equality under the law applies to the new categories or not. Its not a new idea. Its the application of an old idea to new groups. If you throw T under the bus by saying it does not apply to them, you are throwing yourself under the intellectual consistency bus as to the test you hope others will apply to you. You can not say ‘I want equality for gays” without admitting that the same concept applies to T. Well, you can, but the result is that people are then able to say you don’t really want equality. You just want to protect yourself. It slows the fight down because it allows infighting and it allows those against you to use your own limited view of equality against you.
Shannon1981
@Interesting: The only think we need to remember with regards to LGBTPQIA is this: whether you like the acronym or not, whether you agree with the annexing of anything beyond LGB or not- is irrelevant in terms of equality. To the straight community, anyone not 100% heterosexual and 100% identified with the heteronormative gender binary, we are all one big group of freaks who defy their ideas about what is normal and right as far as gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation goes. To that end, it doesn’t matter where you are on that spectrum, or whether you identify with the acronym or wish to be associated with the other letters. As far as legal issues are concerned, we are all the same, and when we fight for rights, we should treat the situation as such.
Interesting
@Shannon1981: Agree. I am not trying to pretend as a gay man that I understand everyone else’s circumstances. That would (a) be insulting and (b) not true. I just know I understand the desire for equality for who I am. That’s what we all share in common.
Shannon1981
@Shannon1981: Yeah trying to say that we, gay people, understand the plight of those who are trans, intersexed, or anything else would be, as you said, insulting and false. But, safety and strength in numbers. United we stand, divided we fall.
Debs
@Shannon1981: “To the straight community, anyone not 100% heterosexual and 100% identified with the heteronormative gender binary, we are all one big group of freaks . . .”
Thanks for illustrating the abject stupidity and reactionary politics underlying LGBT. The bogus concept of LGBT has nothing to do with equality or equal protection. Gays support equal protection of the law for African-Americans, women, and the disabled. That doesn’t mean we create letters for each of these groups and alter our name and identity to include all of these in some made-up hybrid “community”. The same should apply for transgendered. We can support their equality without pretending that we are them.
Your defense of LGBT above is based upon a laughably offensive stereotype of “the straight community” – all 98% of the planet’s population – whom you tell us are unable to distinguish gays from transsexuals from the “intersexed” to drag queens and all of whom think we are freaks. That is a ridiculous lie and an insult to straights, one of the “A”s in the ever-expanding alphabet soup.
Moreover, even if it were true that “the straight community” held such bigoted views, why in God’s name would we use the incorrect and bigoted beliefs of straight people as the basis for defining ourselves? If straights really saw us all as indistinguishable freaks, then the proper response is to challenge that view and educate those straights as to the truth, not to embrace lies and define ourselves by them. If we used your logic, we’d have to redefine our “community” to include child molesters and communist spies because straights historically linked us with them.
That is LGBT – is a reactionary embrace of stereotypes. It isn’t progressive. It isn’t logical. And it isn’t morally defensible.