MTV has The Hills. Now Logo will have Kept. The gay “real Real Housewives” reality show that’s been rumored about is a go for the network, and its working title suggests good looking Manhattanites starring on the program will require some financial finessing from some sugar daddies. Apparently this is what the post-Brian Graden network is looking like.
It’s too soon to surmise what the show will actually end up looking like; the casting call hasn’t even gone out yet. But you should expect a gaggle of pretty nobodies one-upping each other in skinny jeans, invite-only events, Fire Island shares, and sex partners. Throw in some 40-year-old Wall Street finance type who bankrolls his twentysomething boyfriend’s lifestyle, and we’ve got magic, people.
Because this is the version of gay America that viewers want to see, the same way haggling over a wretched Justin Bobby or Brody Jenner once counted as entertainment.
Jason
If this show airs it will set gays back farther than Vanilla Ice set back white people.
Which, in my opinion, is about 50 years.
terrwill
MTV is one of the best if not the best network for showing Gays in a positive light. They have always included Gays in all of their shows, from the Real World/Road Rules shows to the campy dating shows, to the Real Life/Made series. This network has been an especially postive force for young Gay kids, to be able to see that another kid can be Gay and actually have a normal life. Sure there are some stereotypical Gays, but there are plenty of Gays who show that they can fit in with both Gay and straight lives. The closeted Gay kid can see someone like Nick or Danny from Real World who acts like any other kid and can develop a committed relationship, and still be friends with and accepted by the straights. MTV is especially important to show positive Gay persons for the closeted Gays stuck in the middle of a red state surrounded by rightwing nutbags who constantly spew anti-Gay poo from their mouths……………
So Yo
@Jason:
Don’t worry, nobody watches Logo anyway. Though I guess that doesn’t stop clips from circulating all over the net…
anthony
This just sounds like a bad idea. But Spencer is hotttt.
Qjersey
Ah but will the program show all sides? I used to work at a pricey gay restaurant and behind the scenes the staff regularly trashed the pretty boys who came in on the arm of an older gentlemen. Some of the guys were actually nice, but many of them were trash who thought who they were because of who they were with.
andrewl
God – not another gay show full of stereo types. Vapid materialistic gay bois running around bad mouthing everyone and everything. Not that these type don’t exist, its just our community offers a whole range of diversity. Though in saying that I will probably watch the show to be entertained and horrified at the same time. LOL
S.C.
No it wont.
jason
Why is MTV – which owns Logo – segregating us again? This is typical of MTV. Instead of putting us on its mainstream MTV channel, it hides us away in the small Logo channel.
This is typical homophobia from MTV. It’s homophobia based on segregation. Message to MTV: fuck off.
Allan C
Remember – all shows start off with stereotypical characters, reality based or not. Viewers have to identify with characters first, whether it’s with themselves or because it seems familiar. It’s where the writers take the characters after that really counts. I’m interested in seeing this! Might be an awesome concept!
And to Jason – I don’t think they are segregating us…like Terrwill says, we’ve always been in reality shows…I think it’s due time that we get our own reality show! Too bad it’s not on one of the bigger network stations…whenever something like that came on, it got canned within the first few episodes! 🙁
Tyler
Stupid! Another niche show. How many people can relate to or care about being KEPT??? There are so many more interesting concepts for shows and this is what they come up with? Whoever is working there now that Graden guy is gone should be let go too.
scott ny'er
could it be any worse than these:
Gimme Sugar
RuPaul’s Drag Race
Noah’s Arc
Jeffrey/Cole Casserole (I admit, I only saw a little of it)
terrwill
@scott ny’er: Hey Scott……..Please try and take a lighter look at the gay world. We produce some pretty damm funny charachters and roles. I am not a huge fan of drag queens, however RuPauls Drag Race was more fun than a barrel of rightwing-nutbags! Sure they overplayed the sterotypical drag queen drama. But I was watching that show for what it was high camp! As to Jeffry/Cole that truly is a unique show, you have to have a somewhat bizzare sense of humor to get that show. However if you can appreciate that type of humor it is pure gold. Not every straight person is going to love every show aimed at them. However we need to praise and support MTV for giving us a whole damm channel. You don’t think they are constantly getting bombarded by the rightwing-nutbags for being so gay inclusive on MTV and creating LOGO? The problem is that we as a community tend to not show support to those who acknodledge us.
terrwill
@jason: Hey Jason: please read my post #2. You can not be more WAY OFF the mark than claiming “typical homophobia” from MTV. They are by far the most Gay inclusive network out there (no pun intended). Once again we have a member of our community slamming a true ally of the Gay community. MTV has dozens of reality shows like True Life, Made, Real World, Next, Parental Control, Date My Mom, Exposed, etc. Most of those shows are geared towards the 16 to 26 audience. And EVERY ONE of those has included Gay charachters and cast members. What is so important in that inclusion of Gay cast members is that to that demographic it basically shows hetro viewers that Gays are just like them. They can be in the exact same situations and deal with the same shit straights do so. A Gay kid posted in another thread and said basically we are never going to change the mind set of the older rightwing-nutbags. They hate us and nothing is going to change that. However once they all die off, the world will be a much more accepting place for Gays. The kid was right on. And MTV is doing more than their share to show the next generations that it is more than OK to be Gay………….
Tonyboy
I have paid extra to my cable company to get Logo for 4 years. No more. I’ll be happy watching the gays on GLEE, DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, ONE LIFE TO LIVE. I love how this network was supposed to be geared towards us, but with drag queens and now a show about sugar daddies and the trash that date them who needs straight TV execs when gays are presenting the stereotypes?
terrwill
@Tonyboy: Jason: I sometimes think the people who post on this site are viewing things in a different universe than I am. You kvetch about “I love how this network was supposed to be geared towards us” How about:
Logo news: they worked out an agreement with a CBS major network to provide news and information GEARED TOWARDS US
Bump,& Round Trip Ticket: Travel shows about gay friendley destinations and tips about where to go and stay while there GEARED TOWARDS US
Now Next Music. The Click List: Program about Gay and Gay friendly musicians GEARED TOWARDS US
One Night Standup: Gay comics perform GEARED TOWARDS US
WTF have you been watching for the past four years??????
I can’t decide if persons like you are either rightwing-nutbags who simply post to stir things up or someone who is dysleslic and are confused by the numbers on the remote and have been watching Pat Robertson’s 700 club for the past four years……..
scott ny'er
@terrwill: Notice how I didn’t mention those shows. I agree that Logo has some good shows but notice they are not dramas nor comedies. Or dramadies. Even the reality-type ones are lame. I do like, coming out stories, can’t get a date and other stuff like that. But why can’t they write a great drama like brothers and sisters. I mean Queer as Folk was how many years ago and it was Showtime. Or even something like Sex and the City. Noah’s Arc was so not that.
And look, I can’t stand stupid shows on regular prime time tv so I have less tolerance for stupid gay shows. We’re supposed to be creative, talented, etc. And yet we get RuPaul’s Drag race. Fine, I’m sure a ton of people dug it. But, it was a little too much.
I guess all networks need stupid shows like the Real Housewives crap. I just wish Logo had better programming.
Tonyboy
@terrwill:
Maybe you haven’t been watching the same channel I have. I loved CBS News on Logo, but last I heard that was cancelled. The news provided a great service and now it’s gone. They couldn’t keep the news, but they can produce a trash show like the one mentioned above??!?!
As for Roundtrip…..I think I have seen every episode of that show about 100 times. Will W. is a cutie. I don’t think a new episode has been made in over 3 years. Yet there seems to be money for the trash show mentioned above.
Bump I saw when I lived in Canada. It wasn’t geared to “us”. it was geared towards gay canadians. Logo just bought the old episodes. the show is so outdated that I don’t think the info is up to date.
The comedy shows…some are funny, BUT again they are aired over and over. Can’t make new shows, but $ can be spent on a stupid concept like KEPT.
The music shows don’t interest me. If I want music I can search online or watch FUSE.
Kristie412
I always thought we were supposed to be a creative group. I have yet to see that with Logo shows. I enjoyed “Can’t Get a Date” and the wedding show with Scott Thompson but a lot of the other shows seemed to be stereotypical. I checked out and tend to watch shows like “Brothers & Sisters” of “Grey’s Anatomy” to get great LGBT stories.
terrwill
SCOTT/TONYBOY/KRISTIE…….What you guys need to understand is that a network has a finite amount of dollars to work with. It is actually difficult to get LOGO to be included on the basic tier of a cable provider such as Verizon FIOS and I think it is free on Cablevision. Because of the hesitaiton of providers to carry the channel they recieve much less per subscriber than other basic tier channels such as FX or AMC. The whole reason you don’t see scripted dramas even sitcoms on LOGO boils down to dollars. They just don’t have the money to produce those shows. A scripted show costs ten times what a reality/clip show costs to produce. Which is why as a community we really should make an extra effort to support the advertisers on LOGO. They are sticking their necks out because every one of them is bombarded by the rightwing-nutbags protesting the support of Gay programming. Focus of the (destruction) Family has a broadcast E-mail system where they can send out a mass E-mail to tens of thousands of lunatics and they in turn simply forward that E-mail to the targeted company. I can not still understand why MTV recieved a crappy grade for Gay inclusive programming. We need to support those who support us.
Cole
@terrwill:
If Logo has limited dollars then why do they spend those limited dollars on crap like KEPT, a drag show, etc? Shouldn’t they be smarter on how they spend their money? They have done scripted…Noah’s Arc, that stupid sketch show, the animated toy show, Sordid Lives which had hardly any gay characters on it. if they had money to spend on those terrible shows why not spend it on something better? I understand your reasoning about cable companies, but I don’t understand the really bad choices that are being made with the programming. No need to fear the religious right when it seems the gays at logo are driving the channel into the ground.
terrwill
@Cole: A show like Noahs Arc can almost blow their entire budget. As to the “animated toy show” have you ever watched it? Its an aquired taste but a pretty funny way to waste a half hour. And Sorid Lives was one of the campiest, funniest shows I have ever seen on any network. As far as Gay charachters, Ty and his BF and almost every segment of that arc were gay, Brother Tammy’s whole arc was Gay. And how can you not love a show that features Rue McClanahan? As well as Olivia Newton John? (her Physical video blew the minds of straight America?) A show doesn’t have to have a lot of Gay charachters to be absolutley Gay…….Once we in the community are slamming our allies. MTV has done a whole lot more than almost any other network for us……………
In My Opinion
Terrwill keeps referencing MTV. I don’t think people are arguing that MTV has done a lot for gay representation. Some might argue if it was good representation but they aren’t arguing that MTV has tried. In my opinion, Pedro Zamora was a great gay role model, but most of the others since on RW…not so much. The issue at hand seems to be Logo’s bad programming and not MTV’s contribution to gay visibility. One can support MTV without supporting Logo or vice versa. Just the same as one can like VH1 and not like MTV. They don’t go hand in hand.
I think the main problem with Logo is that it was way too late to the party. With shows like AMAZING RACE, PROJECT RUNWAY, WORKOUT, BROTHERS & SISTERS, SURVIVOR, DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, UGLY BETTY and even soaps, AS THE WORLD TURNS, ALL MY CHILDREN and ONE LIFE TO LIVE having gay characters who needs Logo? I think we are getting our fill elsewhere.
terrwill
@In My Opinion: ARRRUUUGGGHHHHHH…..The programming on LOGO is almost 100% developed and produced by Gay persons. That is why you need to be Gay to “get” a lot of the humor on LOGO. Similar to a channel like ESPN. Most Gays would be lost viewing most of the programs because they appeal to hard core sports fans. Like I said a show like Sorid Lives doesn’t have to have every charachter be Gay in order to be a “Gay” show. And as far as the later Gay charachters on RW. They don’t really have to be a “Gay role model” The last season featured Derek. He was embraced by the three hetro guys on the show, he developed a real friendship with Bromie who describes Derek as “a friend for life” Again, the older rightwing-nutbags are a lost cause. They hate us and are never going to change. By showing that Gay persons can interact, live with, and develop true friendships with straight cast mates makes being Gay no big deal today. LOGO is a different story……for a lot of the programs you need to be Gay to “get” it………………
Michael
Gross.
Joey
Terrwill, you are stereotyping. Just because we are gay doesn’t mean when it comes to sports we only understand figure skating and gymnastics. I’m 40 and my partner is 29 so we look at things differently at times. We tried Logo. As for whether we “get it”,we don’t. We “get” ESPN though and enjoy watching college football. GO BLUE!!
We gave the shows you talk about a chance and they just weren’t that good. Referencing an earlier comment shows like “ugly betty” and “brothers & sisters” are written and produced by gay execs. i think a lot of our community is watching these shows. I know my friends watch many more of those shows than Logo. What i’m hearing in this thread is that it isn’t enough for programming to be gay. More importantly, it has to be good. I’m not a TV exec, but does Logo bother to do research to find out what viewers want? From the sounds of it they don’t seem to care about reality shows like “kept”. If Logo isn’t bothering to figure out what their viewers want to see the they aren’t doing their jobs.
blackjack44
@Jason: vanilla ice set black people back 50 years. is it even possible to set white people back? dont you guys control the “set people back” meter too?
terrwill
@Joey: ARRUUGGHHH……You seem to miss the point of my posts. I have a close friend who is involved in the whole network programing scene. And basicaly what he said is that a network like LOGO is basicaly a step above a series of homemade programs that one can post on the internet made thru a webcam. They just don’t have the money to put on more programing than they currently do. That being said and understood, I think they are doing a good job of working with what limited resources they have…It is up to us as a community to support the advertisers and LET THEM KNOW we are supporting them because they advertise on a Gay network. I drove my friend absolutley crazy because when he needed to retire his tires (cute pun huh?) I insisted he put Bridgestone tires on his car. Why???? Because I do not think any other tire company in the whole world would advertise in the Gay media as Bridgestone has. If we get behind these companies and let them know we are supporting them because they advertise Gay maybe we can get a higher quailty of programming on LOGO………….
jwalker666
I tried watching LOGO and they don’t have anything on that is interesting….except when they aired Sordid Lives, but that fucked that up and canned it. Other than that, I don’t want to watch reruns of Queer as Folk and the documentary crap that is always on. It is BORING!! BRAVO is a better network that is geared towards gays. At least they have some original programming that is interesting.
Im surprised the peeps at Bravo didn’t snatch the gay version of housewives up, it would have been perfect. I know that there are alot of stereotypical gays portrayed on TV, but its all about entertainment value. Who would watch someone with a normal life with no drama…I wouldn’t! If they want to market it to gay men, we need lots of drama, lots of shirtless hotties having sex all the time.
Joey
@terrwill:
Here’s a thought then….maybe Logo shouldn’t be a TV network. How about it being an internet site? If they can’t make shows to attract and sustain an audience then get out of the business. I understand budget constraints, but you mean to tell me that this new show about old men and greedy twinks doesn’t cost anything? Noah’s Arc might not be the best written show, but it looked good. I’m sure it wasn’t made for free. I’m just saying the people making the decisions seem to be making one mistake after another at Logo. There are definitely great ideas and talented people out there to execute them. Why is Logo spending its dollars so poorly? There are plenty of cable channels out there that appear to do make shows for cheap, but at least the shows are entertaining. Using drag as an example. There are queens that can buy from high end stores and still look bad and then there are queens who can beg, borrow and steal and sew at home and they look a million bucks. Logo needs to find the queens that are creative on a dime, because the queens working at Logo aren’t making most out of the dollars they have.
scott ny'er
@terrwill: I have TimeWarner Cable. And Logo is free.
And I’ve also watched Queer as Folk a million times already. Same goes with seeing can’t get a date, and some other shows.
I’ve even seen some of those bad movies they show on LOGO. It’s pretty bad. We’re starving for QUALITY programming. I get what your saying about limited budgets but other networks are also limited too. (I won’t mention SciFi, because their stuff sucks as well. GARBAGE!)
BobinLA
Yuck! I won’t be watching.
terrwill
@scott ny’er: Unfortunately like SciFi, LOGO just don’t have the bucks………..I give up, I think they are trying. Once again the community is ripping apart those who support us. Seen it millions of times, am sure will keep seeing it……..One viewing tip: Check out “Latter Days” a movie played fairly frequently on LOGO. Its a great big “FUCKYOU” to the Moron church and a great ending which always brings a tear or two…………….
Kyle24
@terrwill:
I don’t need Logo to watch Latter Days. I saw it in the theatre years ago and have since bought it on dvd, thus supporting independent gay filmmakers. The beef with Logo doesn’t seem to be about the movies they play (even though people complain about how much they are repeated, but with the bad choices they have made with shows they actually produce, like kept.
scott ny'er
@terrwill: Yeah, I know they are trying. Of course, it’s all about making money, so they must be trying. But, someone in charge is in an idiot and green lighting bad stuff.
I love Latter Days. Some peeps on Amazon trashed it. But I thought it was a really good movie. (Altho, I am a little sick of seeing it on LOGO, over and over again but it’s better than that Antonio Sabato Jr. crap flick).
On Bravo, which I’ll assume has limited budgets, Queer Eye, Project Runway and Top Chef made that network. LOGO needs to imitate those shows. Not the Housewives crap, Rachel Zoe crap, etc.
Even just doing a queer project runway. Think of the drama. LOL.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
Great, another reason to hate gays: Reality TV!