People change. It’s hard to argue with that, although there are those who do. “A leopard doesn’t change its spots,” some of them insist. While that feline observation may be true, there’s pretty hard evidence that with humans, change happens.
But does evolution of mind, body, and soul absolve us of heinous things we said and did years ago, when we were, say, 17?
That’s one question dogging baseball star Josh Hader these days. Social media’s morality police have been hounding the 24-year-old Milwaukee Brewers pitcher since his ugly Twitter history surfaced on July 17. Hader haters even booed him at a July 26 game in San Francisco over a series tweets he wrote during an eight month period from October 2011 to May 2012, when he was 17 and 18 years old.
A sampling:
I hate gay people.
white power lol
KKK
Need a b*tch who can f*ck, cook, clean right.
Related: Internet flooded with racist, homophobic tweets written by pitcher Josh Hader during All-Star game
Openly gay Will and Grace actor Leslie Jordan told TMZ on July 30 that it’s much ado about nothing.
“People say things,” he said. “Come on, we were kids. We didn’t know. We said all kinds of things when we were kids and to bring that up… That’s just people hunting for stuff.”
Digging-up-dirt motives aside, Hader’s unearthed comments are unquestionably trashy. Given that he made them as a teenager six years ago, though, should we hold him accountable now? I wonder if Hader defenders would be so willing to overlook a more consequential #MeToo or #BlackLivesMatter indiscretion in retrospect. Are we less culpable for past words than for past deeds? Is it OK if nobody was physically or mentally harmed?
Here’s something else to consider: If a 17-year-old posted those tweets today, would we shrug them off and say, “Oh, it’s OK. He’s only 17. He’ll grow out of it”?
I wouldn’t. I’d give that 17-year-old hell, too. People may change, but homophobia and racism aren’t like a fondness for paisley and t-shirts with silly phrases on them. They’re more deeply ingrained. People don’t just outgrow them. Homophobic, racist adults were once homophobic, racist teens.
By 17, our personalities and characters are pretty much in place. Someone who’s an alcoholic at 17 probably will always struggle with it. Someone who suffers from depression at 17 likely will experience a lifetime of lows. Homophobia, racism, and misogyny are not in the same chronic-condition category as alcoholism and depression, but they aren’t things people just leave behind with the paisley and tacky tees – or just because they become famous.
That’s not to definitively say that those old tweets represent Hader today. If he were circulating in my orbit, however, I’d be as wary of him as I would be of the classmates who used to taunt me with “I smell nigger” in seventh grade.
I haven’t outgrown being taunted by youngsters. Under-20 guys occasionally send me offensive messages on Grindr. Sometimes, they’re borderline-to-outright racist. I don’t hold them to lower standards than older gays. If they were to approach me nicely in six years, I wouldn’t be so quick to clean their slates.
The harsh truth is that the harsh truths we express when we’re young can follow us for a lifetime. If a Presidential campaign can be threatened by a candidate’s draft dodging or pot smoking decades ago, then a 24-year-old can be held accountable for things he wrote six years ago.
“It was something that happened when I was 17 years old,” Hader said in apology. “As a child, I was immature. I obviously said some things that were inexcusable.
“That doesn’t reflect on who I am as a person today. And that’s just what it is,” he continued, adding, “I’m deeply sorry for what I’ve said and what’s been going on. And like I said, that doesn’t reflect any of my beliefs going on now.”
Do I buy Hader’s apology? Not quite–not yet. Of course, he’s not going to stand by what he wrote back then. That would be career suicide.
I’d probably be quicker to forgive, forget, and move on if it had been just a one-time Twitter outburst. But that the offending tweets were spread out over a period of eight months suggests he had more than a temporary lapse of reason.
His use of the N-word, which he never directly tied to race, is perhaps the least offensive of his offenses. He used the word in much the same way rappers do, even quoting rap lyrics. I don’t subscribe to the notion that black and Latino rap fans–and rappers themselves–get a pass that white rap fans don’t get.
If rappers are going to use the word to underscore their street cred, then they and the rest of us are going to have to accept that their fans, both black and white, will mimic them.
“I hate gay people” is harder to write off as the ramblings of misguided youth, especially when considered in the context of his other tweets, which include that Ku Klux Klan shout-out and casual misogyny and sexism. (Note: That he was sometimes quoting rap lyrics is less relevant than the rap lyrics he chose to quote.)
Related: Watch a stadium full of baseball fans boo this MLB pitcher for his homophobic past
While I don’t think his Major League Baseball superiors should punish him retroactively, Hader is going to have to do a lot more than apologize to convince me that his 17-year-old self isn’t lurking beneath the surface of his mid-twenties self.
Anyone can say they’ve changed, but I would like him to explain how he’s changed and why he changed. Was it a series of events, or did he just wake up one day and realize that he’s no longer a racist, homophobic jerk? Does he now feel compelled to do anything to try to make the world a better, more tolerant place?
Only Hader knows for certain how he actually feels about gays, blacks, and women today. But if nothing else, hopefully the fallout will influence teens on Twitter, on Grindr, and in the material world to express themselves with caution.
If you say what’s on your mind today, you may have to answer for it tomorrow.
garybw
17 is a grown man – no excuses. He was not a child.
His parents need to be questioned why they didn’t raise their kid as a decent person. Society needs to get in parents faces and demand answers.
TomG
Supposedly a person’s brain, especially the pre-frontal lobe (where judgment is located) doesn’t finish maturing until a person is 24 or 25. As for his parents, well, mine could not tell me anything when I was 17, I “knew it all”.
Heywood Jablowme
“17 is a grown man”? The legal system doesn’t agree with you on that one. Oh right, he didn’t commit a crime, he just typed on the almighty Twitter.
But at the same time you’re blaming the parents? (Why, if he was a “grown man”?) Doesn’t quite add up.
Most actual gay-bashers are very, very young adults, or younger than 18. But often they eventually turn out to be gay themselves.
dwes09
Impulse control and judgement are not fully developed in most men until the mid to late 20’s. There is a good reason why the military wants them young. A similar reason that criminal activity declines in many after the mid 20’s.
As for the parents, unfortunately we live in a society where real wages have decreased for the past 30 years when adjusted for inflation. Parents have had less and less time to devote to their children if they are lower middle class or working class as more and more time needed to be spent keeping a roof over the family, and food on the table.
Teenagers were and are more vulnerable to the influence of peer groups, not always a good thing at all.
Society needs to deal with economic issues that have very real effects on families and lives. Privileged individuals need to understand that their upbringing and lives bear little resemblance to the lives of most Americans.
Not giving him a pass here, but simply giving an indication of the realities of modern America.
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DuMaurier
Who’s going to question his parents? The FBI? Seventeen is a pretty self-aware age, and it’s only been seven years, so it’s reasonable to doubt there’s been some fundamental transformation and all horrible attitudes in the guy have evaporated. But I also remember changing in very deep and abrupt ways just from transitioning from high school to college; it seemed like a whole new world, and a whole new me.
So…what am I getting at? Basically, that we have no idea where the guy ‘is’ right now, without anything current or at least more recent to go on. Since he has no way of going back in time and erasing those posts (and I bet he wish he could), what can we do but accept his apology and move on–while keeping our eyes and ears open and our antennae up?
Sheik
When I was in my teen, and even late teen-going into early 20s, years, I said and did some things that I look back on, and want to vomit from how horrible they seem. We just didn’t have things like Twitter and Facebook, back then. We just barely had the wee beginnings of MySpace at that time. ? I am not the same person I was then, however, most of my lapses in better judgement, were caused by white cisgender heterosexuals, who spent the majority of my school years trying to make my life a living hell. I highly doubt Hader’s comments came from any kind of similar place. I was in middle school when the Columbine shooting, and 9/11 happened, and the rash of teen gay suicides that spawned the purple/purple ribbon movement, was not only when I was in high school, 3 of those guys were friends of mine. School was a very tough time for me. That’s not to say that Hader didn’t see some shit at the time, and I’m sure SOMETHING specific happened to spawn those kinds of tweets. But I, like you, find his “apology” fairly lackluster. Maybe if he genuinely helped out at a LGBT center, or black social group; Something of that nature would be more convincing.
Also, I believe that NO ONE should use the “N word”. It was created to be ugly and offensive, and it is STILL ugly and offensive. I would never use terms like “Indian”, “Red”, or my personal favorite, “Penny Sh*tter”, to describe myself or my people. So I have no ability to understand black people wanting to use a disgusting word, thought up by the whites who enslaved them. It baffles me.
Vince
I find it hard to believe that he’s only 24. Wow. Maybe it’s the acne.
I dunno. If i said i hate gays but love the Klan 6 years wouldn’t cover it in the least. 17 is an adult so I’m not sure. Guilty of being a total dumbass at the very least.
RamblingManNJ
Similarly I have also scratched my head as to why gays, along with this very website, think that using the term “queer” is a good thing to describe ourselves. I only remember that term being used in a very derisive way growing up. I don’t but that whole argument that somehow we are reclaiming the word for ourselves.
dean089
When we’re 17 much of what we think about the world is that of our parents/family. It’s in our 20s that we start forming our own ideas, or not. He’s 24. What he said when he was 17 wasn’t that long ago but we have to allow people to say “I’m sorry, that was me then but it’s not me now.” If we are forever going to be judged based on things we said at 17 then there’s no point in anyone even trying to evolve or even acknowledge other points of view.
TomG
Supposedly a person’s brain, especially the pre-frontal lobe (where judgment is located) doesn’t finish maturing until a person is 24 or 25. As for his parents, well, mine could not tell me anything when I was 17, I “knew it all”.
TomG
He made the comments only 7 years ago. It is doubtful that he’s changed. Those kind of changes usually don’t occur until one is middle aged.
Heywood Jablowme
My concern with this is our longstanding belief that homophobia expressed by very young males is very often a result of suppressed homosexuality of their own.
i.e., often an actual GAY man — openly gay by, say, age 30 — might have said things at age 17 like “I hate gay people.” Or might even have participated in physical gay-bashing. We’ve all heard anecdotal stories about this. And it was scientifically well-documented, or so I’ve always heard.
Are we suddenly not believing this anymore? I didn’t get that memo!
Heywood Jablowme
Also – I realize that authors don’t write the headlines (or rarely do), but I have to quibble with the headline.
“Statute of limitations”? Really? That is a term from the CRIMINAL JUSTICE system. I hope some folks don’t faint when they discover that typing something offensive on Twitter is not an actual crime. (Yet, anyway.)
vaguy
Whether he’s a bigot is unclear, but contrary to this article, what people did or said at 17 does not mean they are the same when they are older. No one at 17 has much life experience and is probably still spouting views that he heard at home or school and about which he has not really considered critically. Good grief, I shudder when I remember what I thought at that age. I’m more interested in what this guy is doing and saying now. What do his teammates think of him? Whoever wrote this piece of trash should be ashamed of himself. An unfair character assassination, written in ignorance of the human condition and certainly without any ethical journalism.
Heywood Jablowme
The author writes:
“Are we less culpable for past words than for past deeds?”
Considering how that concept has been pretty central to our legal system for at least a thousand years, and probably every legal system on earth since Hammurabi the king of Babylon almost 4,000 years ago, I’m going to answer that question with a tentative YES!
WTF.
Lacuevaman
queerty has recycled this post at least three times… what gives?
Paco
There isn’t enough outrage, so they have to try and convince us to be.
nitejonboy
Meh, he’s prolly a closet case…me thinks the ginger protest too much.
Paco
“If a Presidential campaign can be threatened by a candidate’s draft dodging or pot smoking decades ago, then a 24-year-old can be held accountable for things he wrote six years ago.”
Before Trump happened, I would agree with this. Not now.
Heywood Jablowme
Yeah, there’s that. But now that you mention it, he’s reaching w-a-a-ay back in history with that comment. The only candidate it really fits is Bill Clinton in 1992, over 25 years ago.
G.W. Bush never admitted to smoking pot, even though lots of people swear he did; he was a draft dodger too but by 2000 that was no longer much of an issue. Obama admitted in his book using both pot AND cocaine but that wasn’t much of a controversy in 2008. (He was 12 years old when the draft ended.) Trump was of course a draft dodger and has been accused of using cocaine (never admitted it) but again, just not much of a controversy anymore. Bernie was a draft dodger but no one found that surprising, and did anyone ever accuse Hillary of smoking pot in the ’60s? – maybe I missed that.
Helligar’s quote makes no sense, anyway, unless you think being a baseball player is exactly the same as being a presidential candidate. OF COURSE we can have different standards for those two vastly different things.
tennisteacher2
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brianlange
At 17 you have made an error. Young guys are no where near the maturity level you credit them with in your post. At 17 guys have not yet fully understand the action and response or consequences as well as say 20. What about a guy raised in a small farm town. He’s no interaction with gay guys. His father speaks about gays is best summer up with they should now them down with machine gun. He still like to his Dad for morals of the culture. He matures very quick in college and becomes more accepting of others and making his own choices. Gay guys are so bitter
QueerTruth
It doesn’t matter how old you are. Your past is your past. If you believe you are old enough to have a social media account and post your thoughts and beliefs indiscriminately – well then you own what you say.