Is this a reason to be outraged or a reason to be relieved? Toronto police have launched some sort of sting at Marie Curtis Park, and it’s hard to determine whether they’re targeting the real sex creeps or just any gay man who happens to flirt.
They’ve definitely arrested some people who should not have been doing what they were doing: a sex offender who exposed himself near children, some guys having sex alongside a public bike trail, another couple having sex in a car that was visible enough the police could see them.
Related: It’s OK, Mom. You Don’t Need To Understand Public Cruising.
But they also arrested a guy who was just naked, which seems borderline. (Legally, it’s not; Toronto prohibits nudity. But morally, just taking off your clothes to enjoy a nice day in the park doesn’t sound so bad.)
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And then there are the other dozens of men arrested, about whom few details are available. This is a worry because police have historically gone after gay men in parks just for a wink and a hello. Many of the early LGBT civil rights organizations that formed in the 1970s existed to help gay men deal with potentially life-ruining arrests for something as innocent as a friendly word. It’s hard to tell if that’s what’s going on here.
Related: 12 Angry Men: When Public Cruising Goes Very Wrong
Anyway, neighbors are also getting more involved in the park now, with a cleanup scheduled and some community events. That’s swell. Parks should be for everyone. Including gay people.
TinoTurner
Lock them up. Hey queens, stop embarrassing yourselves and our community by acting like common animals
Tête Carrée
“our community”? What community is that? The church-going, “nobody knows I’m gay” queers with a stick up their bum community?
“Stop embarrassing yourself” by being a “queen” using the word queen.
Bromancer7
@TinoTurner: Yeah, go back to public bathrooms where you belong!
The only one embarrassing themselves is you.
Alistair Wiseman
@Bromancer7:
In most American states, most of the acts listed above would place you on the sex offender registry.
I would find that rather “embarrassing”.
Paco
Get a room.
And from the linked article…
“Others have actually attempted to physically (engage our officers) without having been given permission, and that’s where it’s alarming,” Ward said, noting police have received similar complaints from local residents.
Don’t touch people unless you have been invited to touch them.
Tête Carrée
The local residents go into the secluded wooded area and slink around trees eyeing another guy? You must be talking about Danny279. That IS an invitation to touch them. If they’re just there to bag squirrels for dinner, they should get on with it and then leave.
“Don’t touch people unless you have been invited to touch them.” “Excuse me, may I have permission to rub your penis?” “You may but you’ll have to lift up my 18th century hoop skirt first.”
Danny279
Good! The Toronto police are doing their job and are making the park safe for kids and adults to use for its intended purpose. I hope they get time in jail. These entitled, privileged men think that the world needs to re-arrange itself to accommodate their toxic promiscuity. Now they know better.
Tête Carrée
“Won’t somebody pleeease think of the children!?!”
“These entitled, privileged men” You’re not gay, are you? Is your name actually Dani the church lady?
The Toronto police once went into a park in the night (where all the children where making sand castles) and shot off their guns in wishful thinking about what they would like to do to the “f*cking fa66ots”. Then there were the 1981 bathhouse raids. Yes, they were just trying to make them “safe for kids and (hetero) adults.
Did your mommy tell you the policeman is your friend? B*tch didn’t know sh*t!
Brian
Standards, standards, standards. There’s nothing wrong with having sex in the open-air…so long at it’s YOUR open air. Don’t do it in the public’s open-air.
While promiscuity in men is completely natural, it should not be acceptable in an environment shared by all. It needs to be controlled. Control is necessary to prevent society from turning into a public sewer.
I’m not against men having lots of sex with each other. However, you also need to have standards.
I would apply the exact same principles to women. Women think they can walk around in revealing clothing in public but that’s wrong. They have a sense of self-entitlement when it comes to selling themselves to men using their bodies, at least in the initial instance. I call it “quasi-prostitution”.
Even though a woman’s natural instinct is to sell herself to men, she needs to understand that it is not acceptable behavior in an environment shared by all. Her behavior needs to be controlled for the same reasons I applied to men.
Paul Nadolski
Considering I’ve seen topless lesbians in Toronto during Pride, and the fact that the local nudist group (TNT Men) marches in the Pride Parade au naturel, I wasn’t aware there was a ban on public nudity there! (Of course there isn’t at Hanlan’s Point Beach, but that’s another subject).
Juanjo
I have no problem with the cops enforcing the laws fairly and equally. Men exposing themselves to passerby en engaging in sexual acts in public are breaking the law. What concerns me is often the facts are not quite the same as what the cops write in their reports and often what is just a perfectly acceptable dalliance by a straight couple is a crime if the couple is a same sex couple.
ErikO
This is why they hate us. Seriously, go get a room like a hotel/motel room, or go to his place or your place.
Tête Carrée
“This is why they hate us.” Oh eureka, you’ve found the cure for homophobia. Now where did I put my penis? Oh yes, in that nice lady’s vagina. No, this is why I hate most of the commenters here. Get your tongue out of that breeder’s ass. I understant that hetero men don’t wipe their assh*les. That’s a filthy place to be.
Kangol
@ErikO: You’re justifying homophobia. Please stop it. They don’t hate gay people because of public sex acts, they hate gay people because of gay people’s sexual orientation and because of same-sexual activity, whether it’s behind closed doors in the privacy of one’s home or in a gay bathhouse that no straight person should be in in the first place. They will find a reason to hate us if they’re homophobes. Don’t take their side, stand up for your fellow gays!
Brettly43
@TinoTurner: so people have sex outdoors, who should give rats ass, being naked in publis or let alone having sex in public should not be a crime, if people dont want to see it, look away, LOL
JerseyMike
@Kangol: couldn’t have said it better myself
viveutvivas
Pubic nudity is legal in Toronto.
o.codone
I love public cruising. I wish there were more places to do it.
Tête Carrée
If we killed off all the jealous heteros, we could do it everywhere.
abnerbha
@Bromancer7: @o.codone: @Brettly43:
Public restroom is the place to use toiletwash up not a place for sex. If an adult wants to do homosexual or lesbian conduct with other knowing and consenting adults in their own home or apartment and not harass others about it, then it’s their life, though it’s harmful behavior.
Proposing (straight or gay) in your house, singles bar or @ a private party is in most cases legal. The right thing to do is say no and leave. If a man is a guest in a gay man’s house and the gay man proposes, the right thing to do is say no and leave because it is the gay man’s house and the gay man did not commit a crime when he did the proposal so the right thing to do is leave the house.
However, repeatedly proposing after some1 has said no is criminal harassment. If gay man repeatedly proposes such as follow the man around after no has been said, then the homosexual is committing criminal stalking and the man has a right to end this abuse. If a homosexual is going to commit indecent exposure, then it’s a crime and there is no need for a man to say no to a crime the homosexual had no right to do. & there is no need for a man to say no to a homosexual who is proposing to him in a public restroom because public restroom is not a house or a bar and it’s illegal to ask others for sex in public restroom. Public restroom is the place to use toilet and wash up not a place for sex.
abnerbha
I’m not shocked that gays & lesbians would be more likely to support indecent exposure & pedophilia when it’s gay/lesbian incl. make excuses for gays who have sex in bathrooms. Again, gays who have sex in public restrooms are also more likely to be drug junkies & gay pedophiles. If a homosexual is harassing others in public restrooms, then chances are that the homosexual could be high on drugs like meth. Lesbians have also harassed others in bathrooms.
See how lesbian Kaitlyn Ashley Hunt sexually abused a 14 year old girl in a public restroom, homosexual groups exploited kids to rally for a lesbian who had sex with a 14 year old girl in a public bathroom and people harassed the victim’s parents for calling the cops. She had no business having sex with a minor and she had no right to do indecency in a public bathroom. If an adult wants to do homosexual or lesbian conduct with other knowing and consenting adults in their own home or apartment and not harass others about it, then it’s their life, though it’s harmful behavior.
The parents did the right thing calling the police to report this sex abuse and for people to condemn and harass the parents for doing this is wrong. She again had no right to be having sex with a minor and she had no right doing it in a bathroom. For homsexual groups to get children to rally for Kaitlyn Ashley Hunt after she sexually abused this minor girl is wrong-exploiting children for causes.
Tête Carrée
How do heterosexual morons find their way onto this site? You could practice your new English writing skills somewhere else. Your time would be better used to white a book; a book that is 250 pages all in one sentence.
Don’t forget to wash your hands after pooping on the lawn in front of your apartment complex ya dirty immigrant.
Alistair Wiseman
@Kangol:
“Don’t take their side, stand up for you fellow gays!”
Yes, because we should all be gay cheerleaders whether we are doing something wrong or illegal no matter what! Yay!
Tête Carrée
Gaybashing is wrong and illegal but you don’t hear them complaining. With wimpyness like that, it would still be 1950 when being gay was illegal, let alone butt sex.
whatsaywhat
The main issue here is that cops went to the park UNDERCOVER, posing as available trade to get men to hit on them. They baited these men, luring them into committing a “crime”. This is called entrapment. The cops could have just as effectively patrolled the park IN UNIFORM, but doling out shame and humiliation is so much more fun and effective when you’re punishing PERVERTS who have consensual sex with other men, isn’t it!?
What’s not covered here is that the park in question is frequented by minorities & men of color- many from immigrant communities where they are likely closeted and living in fear of being identified as gay.
But now we’re living in Trumpworld. All the self-hating prudes, hypocrites, apologists and puritans are out passing out the hair-shirts and flagellation whips, as evidenced in the comments above.
Gays may not be first on the cattle-cars this time around but all you prissy apologists who are clutching your pearls and tsk tsk ing people’s sexual behaviour need to pull the sticks out of your tight asses & wake the fuck up. One day this could be you.
Alistair Wiseman
@whatsaywhat:
“But now we’re living in Trumpworld.”
This happened in another country, thus they don’t live in “Trumpworld”.
“Gays may not be the first on the cattle-cars this time around….”
You are an hysteric.
whatsaywhat
@alistair wiseman
Whatever u say FAGGOT
Tête Carrée
Wow. Your second comment just makes your first comment a waste of time. You just completely negated it. You don’t seem to be in Trumpworld, you seem stuck in Reaganworld. So much for “self-hating”.
PrinceofReason
Such judgement! It’s sad 2 hear…