Dustin Lance Black, Cleve Jones, Anne-Marie Williams, Torie Osborn! What other boldface names do you need? The National Equality March (that’s the name they’ve settled on) is this October, meaning there’s less than three months to put everything together. Live(ish) from West Hollywood, California, the A-gays on Monday officially kicked things off with spirited speeches from names-faces you already know. Let’s hope none of you feel like this whole project hasn’t been organized with a top-down approach! Oh, wait.
(Video via UTF)
Cleve Jones
Cast of Hair
galefan2004
Lets at least let them fail before we say we told them so.
SFNative
@galefan2004:
So you propose to do nothing for the next three months while others work hard to execute this strategy? What if this is really the right strategy? What kind of team player are you? If you have the balls to berate something, then have the balls to say what you are going to do yourself. I will proudly be at the March, and I will proudly be helping Equality Across America, because I believe that LGBT civil rights should be fought at the Federal level, now.
InExile
This thing may grow and become something. We all should be supporting this. The Congress, Senate, and the President need to know we are serious about equality.
InExile
@InExile: One more point, marches and an increase of people demanding equality help give the politicians political cover to move our issues forward.
Cam
Another fucking party?! Geez, they never learn anything do they?
homofied
we have our plane tickets and will be there. Show up or shut up. One side note: DLB’s hair is starting to remind me of a Donald Trump comb-over. Just sayin’
Qjersey
If we left it to the grassroots to organize, it would take 2 years to get through al lthe “negotiations,” infighting and consensus building to have a march.
That said our community is filled with backseat drivers, kinda like a commenting on a blog. People who show up to bitch, and demand to be heard and have their ideas incorporated, but don’t do much else.
At least they have tried to appeal to all bases in the foursome who announced the kick off, young white gay man, person with HIV, lesbian, person of color. Maybe this was purposeful to avoid the PC sniping about representation.
Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace
I think the strategy of continuing to attack and defeat DOMA,DADT, AIDS, and discrimination, etc, on as many fronts, and in as many ways, as possible, makes sense to me.
Cheers.
On another note, I remember going to DC to see the Quilts, and I also remember taking part in a mass wedding at the IRS.
Now, as a justice of the peace, I’m officiating for many couples who are coming to Connnecticut this summer to wed from around the country, and they are bringing their families and friends along to celebrate. Congrats to all!
Sanity Test
Yeh, it would be wrong to call it a “March on Washington” because
WASHINGTON WON’T BE HOME!!!!!!!!!
At least none of the “elected leaders” these children of all ages want to “know that now is the time for full equal rights for LGBT people.”
Unable to separate meaningless symbol from function, they scheduled it to coincide with National Coming Out Day.
Problem is … and it’s a killer… that also is a four-day federal holiday weekend…Columbus Day.
Congress will not been in session and its members will have flown the DC coop to return to their home districts to smooze their local constituents for money for their reelection [remember a Congressperson has to run again every TWO years].
With them gone, and it being the last long, nice weather weekend in DC, why expect the Prez to be in town either? Camp David maybe. The shore. Chicago. Hawaii. BUT NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THIS MARCH!
If it had actually been scheduled for a time when they would be in town, and involved more than preaching to the choir and a self-righteous circle jerk on the Capital Mall, I would have considered going.
But this more like a Saturday Night Live skit with a cast of thousands in which someone throws a protest and nobody [with any power to do anything] came.
Sadder even than 35-yr. old Lance Black’s pathetic attempt to still look 15.
Ian Victorian
Why don’t they talk about drag queens who help Iranian journalists get freed from prison in Iran? Ask Glenn at foolocracy.com about THAT!!!!
Andrew
Haven’t these organizers heard of the Internet? This is where we March and rant and rave. Real Marches are so 1960. Gays are not oppressed enough to demand anything. We are just hated and feared. Blame religion.
Let’s March on Sunday mornings.
Are you scared Jesus?
Bill Perdue
@Sanity Test: Who cares if that gawdawful collection of jackasses and mastodons in Congress are in session or not?
If they’re gone for a while at least they won’t be busy gutting ENDA or passing bigoted garbage like Bill Clinton’s DOMA and DADT.
The advantages to actions like this is that energize and activate. They help people organized and get used to fighting for their rights.
I hope it succeeds.
Most of us, excluding our little Sanity Test, who seems to be under the delusion that Congress might actually be capable of getting ir right for once if we could just sit down and talk to them, would probably agree with some of these sentiments:
“Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.” Mark Twain
“It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress.” Mark Twain
“This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.”
Will Rogers
“I don’t mind what Congress does, as long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses.” Victor Hugo
“Can any of you seriously say the Bill of Rights could get through Congress today? It wouldn’t even get out of committee.” F. Lee Bailey, noted civil libertarian
“But with Congress, every time they make a joke, it’s a law! And every time they make a law, it’s a joke!” Will Rogers
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dontblamemeivotedforhillary
Senator Al Franken is a woman?
Kropotkin
Wonderful! I’ve been looking for more chances to waste the resources of the LGBT community. The March on Washington sounds like a great way to do just that. Hopefully we’ll have a dozen more $100 dollar-a-plate dinners with A-list celebs before this fall.
Bill Perdue
@Kropotkin: The only real waste would be if you donated the DNC or RNC or to Democratic (sic) s and Republican candidates.
Don’t go to parties if you don’t want to.
SM
The Conservatives and Religious Right are a hot mess this week because of the Matthew Shepard Act and these are your top headlines?
It’s actually a joke the Democrats can’t push the Matthew Shepard Act through alone but I’m starting to understand why.
No wonder more people don’t take your issues seriously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR9pC99M7yU
Thomas
I won’t partake in an event that promotes unsafe sex by having Dustin Bareback as part of it.
LoveMoby
@Thomas: Judge much?
pornana
@LoveMoby:
There is much to judge.
TANK
@pornana:
Didn’t you get the memo? If you have a nice body, then all is forgiven. The only important question here is whether DLB has a nice body.
InExile
@SM: Once again, little to no LEADERSHIP from the top is not helping. Saying you will sign something is NOT LEADING! We can and do write letters until our fingers are ready to fall off, without leadership, our letters are worthless and so are our telephone calls.
galefan2004
@SFNative: You assume I’m doing nothing. I talk to my local, state, and national officials every time there is an actual cause. I don’t assume this is the wrong strategy. I KNOW this is the wrong strategy. You see, what you people don’t realize is that Senators and Congressmen give a rats ass about what happens in Washington DC. The good ones aren’t even there except for voting times because they are in their district actually doing their job. The bad ones sell their votes to whoever has the most money. Neither of those groups really cares about what the nation or Washington has to say because its the people in their district they answer to not the American public. If you want to put the congress in the hot seat then you start by organizing in their districts not by organizing in Washington DC. This march is nothing more than a way to get attention for the people leading it, and that will be as successful as it is. That is if the media even bothers to cover it all. They haven’t been to concerned about covering gay rights issues lately.
SFNative
@Andrew:
Yes, Andrew, I am sure the organizers have heard of the internet, maybe you should check out their website http://www.equalityacrossamerica.org/march. The internet is a good place for us to mobilize quickly and get information very fast, but it doesn’t show the rest of the world how strong we are as a force and how serious we are about our rights. We can protest at all of our Churches, but they are not the ones who grant us our rights in the end – that would be the U.S. Congress granting us the Federal Rights that we not only deserve or demand.
I hope that you can help out the cause of the National Equality March, because it is happening, it is a good strategy, and the LGBT people would be smart to come together en masse, bring all of our straight allies most importantly, and show the rest of our country that we and our allies are a force to be reckoned with.
SFNative
@galefan2004:
My advice for you the next time you post a short trite message is to let people know at that time what you are doing so you don’t come across as a backseat driver and piss the rest of us off.
galefan2004
@SFNative: You see, I don’t need to justify myself to you. I don’t need to justify myself to anyone.
The only thing I fully support for myself is ENDA. Everything else I get on board with is is for someone else. I don’t plan on ever getting married, so that issue doesn’t affect me in a personal way. I don’t ever plan on joining the armed forces so that issue doesn’t affect me in a personal way. I support the issues for the good of the community though.
I’m sorry if what I say is true and that the truth is no one listens to what goes on in Washington DC. Hell, the congress has been promising their districts they aren’t part of the whole Washington DC mess just to keep their votes since 2006 when the corruption scandal broke. They aren’t going to suddenly do a 180 on that and start caring about Washington DC.
galefan2004
@SFNative: No one is going to disagree with you that we should hit Congress hard because they are the ones that have the power to give us our rights.
Where people disagree with you is that this is NOT a good strategy. The stupidest thing you can possibly do is all meet up in Washington to preach to the choir. The problem is that trying to convince straight allies to take up a march on Washington DC in a time when they can’t even afford to pay their bills is a joke.
As I have said, countless times, if you want to hit Congress then you do it in their districts because that is all they care about. They worry about getting re-elected, but Washington DC has NOTHING to do with their re-election. However, taking them to task in their districts will get an actual response. A march on Washington DC doesn’t even get lip service as has been evident by EVERY march ever made on Washington DC. MLK Jr. didn’t even think Washington DC wasn’t that important or he wouldn’t have gone to the southern states to hit people where they live. He would have just kept marching on Washington over and over. Name one worthwhile accomplishment that has EVER came out of a march on Washington.
SFNative
@galefan2004:
“I KNOW this is the wrong strategy.”
– Explain to me how the 1963 March was successful.
“You see, what you people don’t realize is that Senators and Congressmen give a rats ass about what happens in Washington DC. The good ones aren’t even there except for voting times because they are in their district actually doing their job. The bad ones sell their votes to whoever has the most money. Neither of those groups really cares about what the nation or Washington has to say because its the people in their district they answer to not the American public.”
– I wouldn’t be so fast to agree with you on this. In 1963, there was a civil rights bill introduced by John F. Kennedy at the time of the March, and the March helped put pressure on the bill being passed. Fast forward to 2009, and we will have three pieces of civil rights legislation going through Congress at the time: Hate Crimes Bill, Employment Non-Discrimination Act and Military Readiness Enhancement Act to repeal DADT. This is not including all of the Federal court cases filed against DOMA and Prop 8 in California. Just like in 1963 for African-Americans, we are standing in the brink of gaining some very concrete civil rights for LGBT people in 2009, and a March with LGBT and straight people side by side will definitely add pressure to get these bills passed, especially as Obama has said that he will sign these bills.
“If you want to put the congress in the hot seat then you start by organizing in their districts not by organizing in Washington DC.”
– My friend, you appear not to know the purpose of this National Equality March. This March is one part of a bigger initiative and new organization called Equality Across America where we are mobilizing in all 435 Congressional Districts to get things done in the local level with each of our U.S. House of Representatives. Take a look at their website at http://www.EqualityAcrossAmerica.org, see the different areas where there are already organized local groups in their congressional districts, and if you’d like to help out in your district, I’m sure it would be welcome.
“This march is nothing more than a way to get attention for the people leading it, and that will be as successful as it is. That is if the media even bothers to cover it all. They haven’t been to concerned about covering gay rights issues lately.”
– Saying the media won’t cover this at all is pretty foolish. I am very sure that CNN and MSNBC will be covering this event easily, and I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the other bigger media covers it as well. There have been lots of coverage of the gay rights movement constantly since November 2008, and I’m sure the coverage will not be going away anytime soon.
SFNative
@galefan2004:
“The problem is that trying to convince straight allies to take up a march on Washington DC in a time when they can’t even afford to pay their bills is a joke.”
– I am not so cynical. There were almost 200,000 African-Americans that came to the 1963 March, and there could have been so many more had there not been widespread poverty among them. It is not a great economy today, but if the march is really important to someone, that someone will do what they can to get to the March. If a straigt ally is not going to go to Washington because they don’t feel our cause as much as LGBT people, then how much of an ally are they? I think our allies will feel our cause as much as us and want to come to the March as much as us, and it is especially important that we get as many straight allies to come and be visible about being straight to show a powerful image of integration to the rest of America. In 1963, the image of integration from the March was very powerful.
“MLK Jr. didn’t even think Washington DC wasn’t that important or he wouldn’t have gone to the southern states to hit people where they live. He would have just kept marching on Washington over and over.”
– I think there’s a misconception about putting everything behind the National Equality March and using this March as one vehicle towards a greater strategy. This March is just one part of a bigger initiative called Equality Across America, and it is important that we do both a national march and lots of work on the local level, like how it was done in the 1950’s and 1960’s, and how it is being done and should be done today.
“Name one worthwhile accomplishment that has EVER came out of a march on Washington.”
– The 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom put additional pressure for Congress to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It was at a time when the African-American Civil Rights Movement was coming to full fruition. Our LGBT Civil Rights Movement is finding itself at the same place today, with lots of federal LGBT civil rights legislation introduced during an administration that supports signing them into law.
galefan2004
@SFNative: FFS, stop trying to rewrite history. You want to know what march was successful in 1963. It wasn’t the one on Washington, it was the one on Alabama and all the other ones on the south. Stop trying to say that MLK got success by marching on Washington. It simply didn’t happen that way. If MLK had stayed out of the south then I would still be going to a different establishment to eat than all the black friends I have. That is simply the truth. He bloody well knew it to be the truth. He didn’t get shot to death in Washington, and most likely without his death the nation still wouldn’t have gotten behind equal rights for blacks.
Alright, I’m not going to argue that you don’t seem to have a stint on it to organizing in local districts. My argument is that is where the focus should be. You DO NOT need a march on Washington in order to accomplish organization in local districts. This march is going to be nothing more than yet another party to go along with all the parties to promote the march itself.
You are sure that CNN and MSNBC will cover it? Then where was their coverage of Stonewall 40? Where was their coverage of Stonewall Texas? Where was their coverage of the Mormon moron effect? None of that has made it on the national news. They seem to ignore gay/lesbian issues at this point and time. Lets just hope Elizabeth Taylor or some other icon doesn’t die that weekend. The only way this will make the national news in whole is if its a slow news weekend. You have a better chance of showing up on Fox News then the rest of the main stream ironically. Even worse, most likely this march will be another radical nightmare populated with drag queens and go-go boys. Then when I get to make noise in my district that only thinks that gays are drag queens and go-go boys because that is the only images they ever see on TV I get to deal with that mentality. How fun. Its pretty fucking sad when people I meet think I’m to normal to be gay. When they tell me that I cringe because I realize they think all gays are truly freaky.
What you fail to realize is that you won’t even get 200,000 gays and lesbians to attend. Its just not that popular of an idea in the gay community. You are prepared to write off every straight ally that would rather pay their rent than go march in Washington DC? I can’t believe you honestly feel that way. I’m sorry, but since I have my own bills to pay I’m not inclined to go to Washington and the cause means a lot more to me than it does my straight friends.
I don’t agree that it is important that we march on the national level. You keep throwing up the 1960s as evidence that it is. You fail to see the radical shift in politics since the 1960s. Right now in politics, in many districts, the people want to vote the person that they feel is part of the Washington establishment out of power at the next possible chance. The congress that keeps getting elected has to stay out of national politics. The focus is on the districts. In the 1960s, there was much much more faith in the federal government to do always do the right thing and people expected you to be part of the mainstream. Huge difference.
The 1963 March on Washington did not get the Civil Rights Act passed. The marches on the southern states and the death of MLK got that passed. I’m not sure you are willing to sacrifice Cleve Jones for the cause.
galefan2004
On another note, I checked out the website because I would just love to get involved; however, if that is all the support you currently have then this will be an even bigger failure than I thought. If you are counting on support from local groups in all 435 districts then that is a joke because you don’t even have registered organizations in 30+ states(not to mention most of the states have like 1 district represented). Hell you don’t even have groups registered in every state the currently has a liberal political climate. Its just funny to me that you think you will go from having around 20 districts to having 435 in 4 months. That is beyond wishful thinking. There is one group in all of Ohio, and not surprisingly it is in Columbus. Your desire to have all 435 districts recognized is coming across as a sad joke.
It looks like you have California completely behind you and that is about all you have. The problem is that this isn’t the special Olympics. You don’t get points for trying. What you get for trying and failing is a nice set of footage for the Repugs to lampoon every single time they want to make the case in point that the nation itself does not support gay rights. What you want to happen is simply not going to happen in 4 months.
Bill Perdue
@galefan2004: What you want to happen is simply not going to happen in 4 months.
I suppose that depends on whether or not shills and hacks for the DNC and Congressional Democrats are successful in their attempt to demoralize activists.
Given their amateurish comments here I don’t think those shills have much of a chance.
galefan2004
@Bill Perdue: Ahh Bill, you would simply love for the entire problem to be the DNC and politics in general wouldn’t you. The problem is how far you are off about that. Politics isn’t what demoralizes the effort. The apathy of the people is what demoralizes the effort. People would rather have it bad than do anything about it in this current age. If it requires people to step outside of their comfort zone then its simply not going to happen. You can keep playing the blame game all you want, but the blame rests squarely on those gay and lesbian people that would rather live without rights than actually fight for the rights they deserve.
I get it, you hate the government. You think that every member of the government is a waste of space. You think its much easier to blame everything on the government. However, why don’t you step back and realize that a lot of good congress representatives and senators actually do exist, and that its the people that should take the blame for not holding these people accountable in the first place.
Cam
@SM: you said “The Conservatives and Religious Right are a hot mess this week because of the Matthew Shepard Act and these are your top headlines?
It’s actually a joke the Democrats can’t push the Matthew Shepard Act through alone but I’m starting to understand why.
No wonder more people don’t take your issues seriously.”
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Once again, Let me say something to you. your bitchy little insinuations of “Gee, you should be lucky that I’m a straight person who supports you and you’re all children and I know so much better.” So why you keep coming to the gay blogs. It is doubtful that you have much to offer in any other area of your life. The hate crimes act doesn’t provide us with our basic civil rights. The right to exist, the right to choose who we want, the right to have a job. It just says that if somebody kills me, they might get more time in jail than somebody who kills you. So excuse me if I’m more worried about my existance as a full member/citizen of this nation.
As for people taking our issues seriously. It isn’t because they are unaware, it is because they are bigots. Us all sitting back and acting calmly got DOMA and DADT signed into law. Remember, the other March on Washington happened around that time. A bunch of people taking months and months to organize a march…having parties all the way leading up to it is hardly as effective as the protests against Prop 8 that took THREE days to organize and took place in cities across the nation. These folks are old school and obviously do not know how to use the new social networking tools. But then again, you didn’t really care about any of that, you just wanted an opportunity to come in and play that paternally condescending straight person whom we are so lucky doesn’t cringe away in disgust from us queers.
galefan2004
@Cam: Can you imagine if SM actually had a gay child. She/he/it would be all like, “I support you but you suck and will never be as great as me because I am straight and you are gay and you should sit back and be grateful that you even get to bask in my glory.”
My god that would be one fucked up child.
Sanity Test
@SFNative:
Blah blah arrogant, ignorant blah!
There are GIGANTIC differences between the 1963 black civil rights March on Washington, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and this proposed circle jerk.
First, the 64 Civil Rights Act was one bill while our rights are divided into several. Yes, there were subsequent ones expanding black civil rights but you’re the one who put all your rhetorical eggs into one basket … that’s full of holes.
One of the many is that it had been introduced …two months BEFORE the march BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES in a live, nationally televised speech from the White House…and his operatives in Congress were working it as hard as any bill in peacetime ever had been.
For us, after PROMISING to throw the “full weight of my administration behind” various gay rights bills Obama has shrunk to someone who spends more time making excuses for why he ISN’T doing anything but pay more lip service to “supporting” such bills than actually DOING anything…that is, those he hasn’t abandoned entirely. He has, to borrow one black activist’s expression, become a part of the problem not the solution.
How influential the 63 march was on the 64 Act is greatly exaggerated. Without the acts of nonviolent civil disobedience and the violent racist acts in response to them that preceded it, Kennedy would NOT, at that point in time anyway, been pressured into even supporting it let alone being the one personally introduce it to the nation. That support, and the bill’s passage, was driven primarily by FEAR of escalating racial strife NOT opened hearts and minds.
Other than that their children might turn out to be gay or some queer make a pass at them do you think Americans generally or members of Congress fear gays? HA!!!!!
“Our LGBT Civil Rights Movement is finding itself at the same place today” BULLFUCKINGSHIT!
While exaggerated, the 63 march did have a great deal of power but again what led up to it resulted in what amplified that power to what would have made it otherwise impotent — national attention.
The 63 march was carried for HOURS and LIVE by TV networks in the US and in England by the BBC. “Over five hundred cameramen, technicians, and correspondents from the major networks were set to cover the event. More cameras would be set up than had filmed the last Presidential inauguration. One camera was positioned high in the Washington Monument, to give dramatic vistas of the marchers. A. C. Nielson recorded huge jumps in television viewing… Europeans saw it as well, in coverage “that rivaled that given astronaut landings.”
The next gay Capitol circle jerk will be lucky to get a second more coverage than the previous ones did which was MICROSCOPIC. C-span might give it a spin, but how many households are going to turn away from whatever they’d normally watch then [the network’s in 63 didn’t broadcast anything else at all during the March]?
And without extensive major MAINSTREAM media coverage such things are nothing but spitting in the ocean.
Because of the poorer economic times and its OBVIOUS to all but the mutually masturbating self-delusional retarded DATE when the power players its directed at will be playing OUT OF TOWN, there is no reason to believe that this march will get any numbers close to the large gay and nongay marches that have preceded it. And Americans generally, like most gay men, ARE size queens.
But the main difference beyond the fact that MSM will virtually ignore it is that the 63 march had Martin Luther King giving one of the greatest speeches in American history and we have ……
Hell, I refuse to mention them even in the same sentence as MLK.
Adding to your ignorance of history and self-delusions about this proposed circle jerk is your ignorance about simple FACTS:
Bigotry is bigotry, but, in addition to ludicrously, insultingly comparing the gay rights movement today in terms of influence, breadth and depth to the black civil rights movement in 63 you don’t even have your simple facts right.
You claim that we have “lots of federal LGBT civil rights legislation introduced during an administration that supports signing them into law.”
That would be RE-introduced, and at least one…ENDA…has been around in one form or another for decades.
You can stuff all the verbal socks in your pants that you want, but the fact remains that an event planned for a time when no one with any power will be around to pay attention to it confuses rhetoric with reality. Rather than progress, it’s regression to a time before political puberty.
Bill Perdue
@galefan2004: The apathy of the people is what demoralizes the effort. People would rather have it bad than do anything about it in this current age. If it requires people to step outside of their comfort zone then its simply not going to happen.
We hear the refrain that GLBT folks are broken, unproductive losers from christer bigots like Dobson and Robertson every day of the week. And now we get to hear the DNC version of it here at Queerty.
What a surprise. Not.
galefan2004
@Bill Perdue: I didn’t SAY LGBT people. I said PEOPLE. You read the LGBT thing into it. People in general would rather sit on their fat asses in their comfortable homes watching their blaring TV sets than get out and fight for their rights. They would rather live without rights than fight for actual rights. If the black movement happened in this day and age it wouldn’t even have full support. People have changed a lot since the late 70s when demonstrating and petitioning was the norm. Now instead of getting involved they blame the people that are getting involved for not doing enough.
Andrew
@SFNative: “Show the rest of the World?”
Are you kidding me? In America there may be as many as 20-30 million gay Americans. Probably ALL are in favor of equal rights and equality. If you have your March, you would be lucky to get a few hundred thousand. How does this show strength.
The INTERNET is the place to have the March, or in your words “show of strength.” HRC probably has about 500,000 members – not a big deal given the above numbers. If there was a rallying cry for something significant – MAYBE A STRATEGY, and it attracted millions of people, YOU WOULD GET NOTICED.
I agree we need a way to show a common goal and strength in numbers, but traveling to Washington DC is silly.
Andrew
@SFNative: You said: We can protest at all of our Churches, but they are not the ones who grant us our rights in the end – that would be the U.S. Congress granting us the Federal Rights that we not only deserve or demand.”
You want you rights “granted” to you? By the government? You’ll achieve this by demanding? Really?
You do not see the connection Religion has to “you getting your Rights?”
Religion has defined homosexuals for 2,000 years. It has successfully cast us as WRONG, DEVIANT, DIRTY and SCARY. This isn’t a gray area in Christianity and we are the only group of people made wrong by religion. 97% of the US House and Senate are RELIGIOUS. If they vote in favor of homosexuals they are likely to guarantee their one-way trip to HELL. This is why plans like the HRC and it’s “lobbying efforts” are a waste of time and money. In 10 years 7 politicians have changed their vote and NONE have changed their mind. Religion wins, again.
To obtain equality our fellow citizens need to vote for our rights. The religious ones will not. In fact, we have no hope of winning a referendum because we are outnumbered 3:1.
The good news is Religion is going out of business. In 2060 “non-religious” will be the new majority. Maybe then we can get our rights.
Tell me how a March changes the “infection” of Religion? Do you really think Marching around and yelling will change anything?
Go to Church. And, scream.
Religion hurts. Make it stop.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
“The apathy of the people is what demoralizes the effort.”
This is my new message now.
I can’t fault it..so true.
Bill Perdue
@John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s): “The apathy of the people is what demoralizes the effort.”
I suppose when you don’t have the stomach for a fight and want to opt out any excuse will do, even one provided by a racist and a self loathing homophobe.
http://www.queerty.com/sonia-sotomayor-wisely-chooses-a-non-answer-on-gay-marriage-20090716/#comment-194024
http://www.queerty.com/despite-bill-clintons-flip-flop-barack-obama-remains-opposed-to-gay-marriage-20090716/#comments
galefan2004
@Bill Perdue: Bill, have you gotten tired of bitching and whining about politics but not doing anything to change the system? Are you my own personal stalker now that comes around pointing out that I’m an evil white supremacist (because I believe that white people should be able to stand up for themselves without being labeled racist) and a homophobe (because I believe that the gay community isn’t always right). You just never stop picking fights with people that don’t give a damn what you think, do you?
Bill Perdue
galefan is wrong about most things.
He thinks that being a white supremacist (supreme over exactly who is not something he cares to disclose) is not being a racist. The thinks that Euroamerican males are an opressed minority. Equally absurd is his silly idea that the present form of society can or should be changed, when obviously it needs to be replaced, just like we did when we kicked King George in the ass and when we ground the faces of Southern supremacists in the dirt at Appomattox.
What we need is a government that answers to the needs of working people, not the looter rich. Galefan is afraid that when we get that kind of government, and we will, that he’ll be sent to camp – reeducation camp – for a long time.
Or little galefan is wondering when I’m going to stop reminding people why his racist, homophobic and deeply reactionary ideas are despicable.
The answer is never.
– George Santayana
galefan2004
@Bill Perdue: Lol, reeducation camp? That is funny. Replacing the government. That is hilarious. I never said I was supreme to anyone. Supremacist is probably not the best term to describe my opinion. Its more like a white supporter. I support the cause of the white man. I recognize the causes of minorities and the fact they support them too. I’m sorry if you think (incorrectly) that all white men are better off in this country than minorities. While I recognize a past of strife by the rich to dominate the poor I believe that the true problem is that like you say the rich dominate the poor in this country, and the poor should rise up regardless of their race and defend themselves. I don’t dislike minorities nearly as much as I dislike the looter rich.
Oh, keep the pressure on me, when someone has said shit as stupid as I have I would hope that you would keep the pressure on that person. I completely admit to a great deal of what I have said being ignorant, out of line, and just plain stupid. I came across as a racist homophobic asshat on more than one occasion. I should be held accountable for that.
Rob
I wonder what would happen if the powers that be in the LGBT community stopped looking back to the 1960’s and co-opting moves that were made back then. The new “gay leadership” is so clueless, it’s astounding. They simultaneously:
Engage in continued attacks on Obama for not moving fast enough
Ignore the LGBT members of color in their own communities
Continue to feel victimized by straight blacks (THEY passed Prop 8!!!!!) while engaging in tired rehashes of moves the mainstream black civil rights organizations made decades ago
*sigh* I could go on and on, and before someone hits me with the tired “well what do YOU do line”, I do volunteer work with gay kids at risk and tend to do a lot of stuff with gay youth of color. I’m sorry, but some people are just trying to survive being gay and keep a roof over their heads and food in their mouths while the entire gay agenda gets co-opted with the desires of a very privileged few.
OVER it.
Brian
VERY IMPORTANT MATH:
IF 500,000 gay people go to March in Washington they will spend an average of $500 each or $250 million dollars. That’s a quarter of a Billion dollars!
IS THIS A GOOD USE OF OUR RESOURCES FOR A MENTION ON THE EVENING NEWS? WILL IT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE?
JUST IMAGINE WHAT WE COULD ACCOMPLISH WITH $250 MILLION DOLLARS.
Think of something. This March is a waste of money and effort.
anderson cooper is my future husband
@galefan2004: Don’t take it personally Bill Perdue is a do-nothing stalker. He is a racist piece of garbage who will weekly pick a target and stalk them tirelessly. He hates blacks, jews, women gay and straight, transpeople, activists, and anyone who does not subscribe to his long tiresome hate filled rants. This is a guy who lives in a state that had two anti-gay referendums and he DIDN’T DO A THING. He didn’t make one call, knock on one door, give a dime he even tried to take credit for Prop 8 activism until a poster from california pointed out that he was lying and completely fabricating any knowledge of the campaign he then admitted he was not part of it at all. His only contribution to society is coming onto Queerty and attacking people. He is not even particularly well informed he has his talking points and he will crowbar them into any discussion. He thinks if he makes things in bold font it makes a point who taught this old coot how to use a computer and why doesn’t he do us all a favor and keel over already. Bill Perdue is a cautionary tale folks he lived his life being an a-hole to everyone now he is old, angry and alone, no man no friends, no ability to enjoy life just a constant need to attack and spread his own unhappiness around. I wouldn’t take it personally if he is attacking you that is his way of trying to be friends he has no people skills or tact.
Bill Perdue
@anderson cooper is my future husband: is a cutesy name for a vile personality; bitterly hateful towards gay men, definitely straight, christian and right wing.
Lie. I don’t even live in CA, never lied about participating in campaigns there and wasn’t denounced for it.
Truth. I and several others got on acimfh’s case when it, as rightwing wing christian scum so often do, described a gay man as a pedophile. In comment 44 in http://www.queerty.com/wisconsin-boy-uses-facebook-to-sexually-assault-classmates-20090206/ it accuses Mueller of being a pedophile.
Several commenter’s replied including ‘J’ who said “
Very well said. I read your comment and thought it was really heartwarming that two people could be together against all those odds. I think that guy’s (referring to acimfh) a dick and what he said to you was completely uncalled for. I also think that people make comments like that because they’ve got serious self esteem issues. I can’t see a normal, well adjusted person taking the time to defame you like that completely unprovoked.
Best of luck and don’t listen to that dick.”
That’s good advice for anyone reading comments by acimfh, who just doesn’t like gay men at all. That’s fine, we don’t like creatures like it much either.
mike
Dustin Lance Black should not be allowed near this or any event after what he did. He needs to be held accountable.
TANK
@mike:
he’s already dead inside! Isn’t that enough?!
mike
If it were true, yes. If he was humbled and didn’t act like a complete ass to fans and those who try to speak with him, etc. then it would be enough. But, I don’t believe it and it concerns me that the A-list gays don’t distance themselves from him.