The following is an excerpt from Queerty columnist Jeremy Helligar’s forthcoming second book, Storms in Africa: A Year in the Motherland. The follow-up to Is It True What They Say About Black Men?: Tales of Love, Lust and Language Barriers on the Other Side of the World, it will be released on Amazon in digital and print form on December 4 (the day before the seventh anniversary of the passing of Nelson Mandela), and the eBook is now available to pre-order here. You can follow Jeremy on his Medium blog or on Facebook.
There are some conversations that are more likely to happen when a person of color isn’t within earshot. A prime example would be the conversation my friend Rob recounted one night while we were having dinner in Cape Town. Of course, being black, he hadn’t heard it firsthand. It was a conversation that was passed along to him by a white female friend who had been a part of it. Had Rob been there, the exchange probably wouldn’t have happened at all.
As terribly disturbing conversations go, I would have placed it at number one with a bullet, ahead of all the ones I’d heard or been part of in the previous year or two. I hadn’t cringed so hard over a statement that was made to someone else since several years earlier when Rob told me what his ex-girlfriend, who was white, said when he broke up with her: “I should have known this would happen if I dated a n****r.”
What could possibly be as bad as that? What could possibly begin to approach its vicinity of heinousness? Answer: what a stranger in London with a hard-to-place accent said to Rob’s white female friend one night. She knew he wasn’t a Brit, but she couldn’t pinpoint his home country just by listening to him speak. Let the guessing game begin!
I’ve actually been that guy, the one whose geographical origin nobody could quite figure out. “So where are you from?” people ask me all the time as they struggle to place the slight Caribbean accent that I have never lost completely, not even more than forty years after leaving the Virgin Islands at age four and moving with my family to Florida.
“I’m from the Virgin Islands,” I always answer, having outgrown my old impulse to come up with some unexpected place, like Sweden, just to mess with people’s heads. If only the leading man in Rob’s story had just stated his home country and left it at that. Instead …
“Let’s put it this way: I hate black people.”
This is the part of the story where I was so shocked I nearly choked on my lamb burger and failed to get all of the extraneous details that any decent journalist would demand. Did Rob’s friend guess he was from South Africa? Was it her first choice? Her second? Her third? What other countries did she offer?
Or did the stranger in London with the hard-to-place accent just follow his very inflammatory and offensive comment with the context of where he was from, because even he knew it wasn’t as obvious as he was making it out to be? Clearly he was alluding to South Africa’s history of apartheid and systemic racism, but it’s not like there aren’t other countries with a shameful racist legacy.
Even after living in South Africa for more than three months and witnessing the complicated racial politics here firsthand, “South Africa” would not necessarily have been my first guess. After hearing Rob’s story, the first thing that popped into my head was: He must be from Alabama. It had nothing to do with my own reality, as I had never spent any significant time in Alabama. Actually, that silly guy could have been from anywhere.
Once I got over the shock of his brutal honesty — in such a politically correct age, it was rare to find anyone so willing to proudly own his racism — I started thinking about the implications of it. I wasn’t sure which was worse: his suggestion that white South Africans are inclined to hate black people, or his suggestion that it should be a given around the world that South Africans hate black people.
Or maybe he was being ironic, like Eminem, using a politically incorrect statement to underscore the political incorrectness of others. Alas, irony is a tricky thing. It’s so hard to get it right when the subject is race or sexual orientation.
Even if I were willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to someone who would dare say “I hate black people” by accepting the irony explanation, who had given him the right to speak for the entire white population of a country? Despite South Africa’s relatively recent political history, to suggest that all white South Africans hate black people was as lazy as saying that all black people are lazy.
After I lost interest in trying to figure out his motivation, I wondered why he had chosen to live in London, a city with a significant black population, when he could have gone to some Scandinavian country and live out his days unsullied by the presence of black folks. I imagined he must have left South Africa to get away from them, after all.
I didn’t take what he said as being indicative of white South Africans’ collective view of black people. I would have hated to have been seen as a spokesperson for my entire race, and I definitely didn’t want anyone to presume that the ramblings of someone from the same country as me or the same color as me represented my feelings or the feelings of black Americans in general.
If nothing else, “Let’s put it this way: I hate black people” so casually offered by an average guy not unlike the one next door, or the one in the next cubicle or office, underscored how much we had yet to overcome, in South Africa, in London, everywhere. That racist guy in the London bar may not have been speaking for every white South African, but he was speaking for more people in more countries than most of us even realize.
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WashDrySpin
Jeremy you have written a bunch of hearsay garbage…ripe with cultural stereotypes, elitism and banality…
As a POC if a friend of any race tells me something HORRIBLE that someone told them or they heard about me (directly from someone’s mouth), I only have one question for my friend:
“What did you say to defend me?”…if they said nothing we are done!
Mundo
exactly. done!
Bromancer7
Newsflash: people are racist. And sexist. And homophobes. And transphobes. Anyone that’s genuinely shocked by this really hasn’t been paying attention.
dhmonarch89
yes- there are racist gay guys….fyi- there are homophobic black people. We discovered that 14% of LGBTs voted Trump…. many polls discussing LGBT rights, same sex marriage and LGBT Discrimination shows black voters to be more homophobic and against rights than white voters- closer to 50% are opposed to these rights. When prop 8 was on the ballot in California- 60% of black voters voted for the prop banning same sex marriage. Gallup and Census polls report @5% of the country is LGBT where as the census reports the black population at 16%…50% of 16% (US Population 328 million- 50% of 16% is 26 million) is a hell of a lot more that 14% of 5% (2.3 million). Charles Blow needs to write that story.
Chrisk
Actually it was worse that that according to the Washington Times.
“African American voters, who were overwhelmingly in favor of banning same sex marriage (70 percent supported Proposition 8) even as they supported Obama even more heavily (94 percent).”
Sometimes I wonder if the hate isn’t just a reactionary thing. Like if you only knew hateful black people you’re likely to hate them in kind. I don’t know. I guess hating the “other” is just a natural state for humans no matter what the race. Either way the best way to talk about racism or any other isms is to uncover it and address BOTH sides.
Godabed
Just numerically, there is no way that blacks can be more homophobic than white people. But it’s a fact that more white people were and are okay with racism and white supremacy and have been for hundreds of years.
Historical lesson, the issue with homophobia isn’t a racial one it’s a religious one, mostly it’s a Judeo Christian thing. And you know who taught black people Christianity. One guest – white colonizers – Europeans. You stole their lands, their culture, and in a lot of cases their Religions and history. And blacks were force to assimilate into societies that didn’t want them. That’s very apparent in America, and the Island countries that surround. So if you want to blame black people for prop 8, when it was in fact White Mormans (because for the longest time black people were banned from that too). You’re just showing your inclination to white supremacy and perpetuated the same racist narrative. It’s easy to deflect and blame black folks, people all over the world have been doing it for a long time. While you continue to steal our style and culture and want to be us you still want to blame us for the things you set in motion. #sad #BLM #NOJUSTICENOPEACE
Josh447
My experience is people are taught who to hate. I grew up in Oregon with no racial negativity directed at me and I’ve never had an unkind word to say about anyone of a different color than myself. I remain that way, very neutral and compassionate to struggling minorities, to this day.
Kangol2
@dhmonarch, first, you’re erasing Black and other POC LGBTQ people, which in itself is racist, but not surprising.
Second, you’re repeating the same racist canard about Prop 8, which was bankrolled by the overwhelmingly White Mormon Church and backed heavily by the White Roman Catholic bishops. As it turns out if not a single Black person had voted, it still would have passed. So please stop pushing this claptrap. (Cf. https: // www. npr.org/2011/03/04/134257733/ the-root-the-misjudged-black-vote-on-gay-marriage — link separated so that it’ll post)
Third, in the entire history of the US, neither Black politicians nor Black voters have been the primary and chief agents of anti-gay and homophobic laws. They have been pushed by White politicians and passed by White voters since the Colonial Era, which isn’t surprising, since Britain’s homophobic laws have spread all over the globe. This includes Republicans and Democrats. Moreover, the first mainstream presidential candidates from either major political party who pushed for same-sex marriage were African American. Black people and Black voters are not the ones trying to strip rights and equality from LGBTQ people, whatever the individual beliefs of various Black people may be; it’s White politicians (still), jurists, and voters who are. Right now, the conservative state of Indiana is trying to strip rights away from gay parents. I can assure you that it isn’t Black Indianans pushing this crap, and if it gets to SCOTUS, the majority of votes on the court to allow this will come from the White jurists on that court.
dhmonarch89
dhmonarch89
Kangol….1st, 2nd, 3rd…the same blacks that are homophobes are homophobic towards their own members of our community. When I talked about the LBGT community- I’m talking about all of it- male/female, black/white…your preconceived notions of where I was coming from is very telling.
Godabed
In you’re last comment you’re still making homophobia about race without addressing the issue that white people are the ones who pushed their Christian ideology on black people through hundreds of years of physical and mental violence. Not to mention it wasn’t black people who pushed through Prop 8. You decided to rewrite history, just like Dan Savage did before he was forced to apologize.
You’re deflecting and it only makes you look and sound worst. I would recommend you reconcile with your own internalized racism.
Chrisk
Maybe Jeremy should teach the guy a lesson by dating him. He seems to like that type since that’s all his stories are about. Young white guys saying the stupidest things. Can’t live with em. Can’t live without em I guess.
Just don’t say how much you like big black co*k. It’ll really set Jeremy off. Lol
WashDrySpin
Nailed it
AnthonyS23
It’s poorly written and meandering. That style would be readable if the topics he meandered to were interesting, but they’re not.
Roy Ajax
Is it just me or was this story impossible to get through? Disjointed and convoluted… I had to re-read the first half three times to figure out what was going on… then i gave up. This guy is a writer?
Man About Town
It’s not just you; I had to give up halfway through.
Chrisk
Jeremy likes to show off his intellectual abilities by going back and forth with telling a simple story that should’ve taken no more then a paragraph. Some major editing would’ve really helped.
WashDrySpin
It is more disjointed than a contortionist
Josh447
Pretty choppy writing style. Difficult to follow. I wouldn’t print this in this form if I were editor.
TheMarc
You’re definitely not alone. I was going to post a comment to this affect to beg Jeremy to take or re-take any modern writing course because I’m sure there’s a point and valid information to discuss here; but it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack. It doesn’t even adhere to some obscure style. It’s ramblings; it reads like you’re listening to someone “on something” try to tell you a story.
And to Chrisk’s point, his need to display his vocabulary comes off far more unintellectual than he thinks. A simple intellectual ability is being able to communicate your message. He does this every time and it annoys me because he’s discussing topics I have an interest in or at least think I do. I can’t really tell since it’s so damn hard to get through his articles!
Cam
Ok, THANK YOU! I was wondering if it was a lack of caffeine on my part.
wooly101
I’m so sick and tired of white bashing. I’ve met some nice black folk and I’ve met some bad ones. Blacks have their prejudices just like every other race.
WashDrySpin
Thanks Captain Obvious….but when Blacks have the power, wealth and status that comes close to the levels of white people then we can have an in-depth talk…
Liquid Silver
Ditto on both sides…yet here’s Wash ’cause you wound him up and you can now watch him whine. 🙂
I stopped bothering with these kind of stories. I finally realized that people are racist trash. You won’t fix them, there’s no reason pointing it out, and people like Wash will then show up and whine about the horrible inequities they don’t care about for Reasons.
And now he’s going to whine yet more, which I won’t bother to show up to read about because…racist trash gonna whine about white folks.
Dunnedin
Of course, it starts off with a misleading title “What Do White People Say…” not “Some White People” not “Racist White People”, but “White People” When are we going to move beyond stereotyping? It’s as ill-formed as “What Hispanics Eat.” OK, which group? What part of country? What part of that part?
Chanc2g
Um–did everyone miss a key point? The person DATED a black man. Not your typical racist. Sure, the term is ugly, but maybe just very bitter at getting dumped?
WashDrySpin
If you call a black person that horrible word then you were storing that up for dispersal
Kangol2
I had stopped commenting on Jeremy’s articles a while ago for a variety of reasons. I’m going to respond, however, say that I am surprised an Afro-Caribbean person like Jeremy who’s lived in the US for 40+ years would be surprised that a White person anywhere expressed hatred against Black people. From his prior articles I know he hasn’t lived in a cave his entire life. He has written about the racism he experienced overseas in the past too. But even if no one had ever uttered something so clearly racist to Jeremy’s face as what this South African man said, he’s had to have heard or read or seen videos of White people doing so, while also being aware of the extremely racist and white supremacist history of this country, and of the structural and systemic racism that has underpinned that history. One current in the social, political and economic policy of the US since the 1600s has essentially been “I hate Black people.”
On top of this, was he really stunned that a White South African would express racist and white supremacist views? As he notes, South Africa instituted a version of racial segregation so extreme, but paralleling that of the US, which inspired Adolf Hitler (cf. James Q. Whitman’s excellent study Hitler’s American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law, that its name, apartheid, entered countless languages including English as one term for extreme racist segregation and separation, alongside Jim Crow. In 2020, especially as we witnessed a national reckoning over police and state violence against and murder of Black people and calls to address systemic racism, I just don’t get how he could be surprised by this, or by anti-Black racism or racism of any kind. I know he didn’t miss the last four years under openly racist, anti-Semitic and white supremacist President Don the Con, so what gives?
I know he’s with a White man, so I hope they can at least have healthy, productive conversations about race and racism. I also hope he is not stunned in the future about anti-Black racist or other anti-POC racist statements and actions. He does acknowledge systemic racism too so he clearly sees it’s not just an interpersonal issue. Just don’t put up with racist or white supremacist BS and tell your White allies not to either.
Mike Hunt
tl;dr
Kangol2
@Mike, and yet you still responded. Try a little harder, Ma’am.
TheMarc
Jeremy appears to live in a bubble. If I understood this article correctly (hard to do BTW,) I assume he is now finally emerging from that and will learn everything you stated and will be equipped to speak on this topic more intelligently in the future.
Jay002
The reason many African Americans may be homophobic is because years ago the only place were African Americans were allowed to socialize and organize was the church especially in the South were most African Americans lived when they were brought to America. Views have changed and are changing but we can’t forget the reason for those views.
Kangol2
So what is the excuse for White people, who push and pass the anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-LGBTQ laws? Share the history with us, please.
Jon in Canada
What do white people say about Black people when we’re not around?
or
What do black people say about White people when we’re not around?
or
What do asian people say about Hispanic people when we’re not around?
or
What do hispanic people say about Native people when we’re not around?
and on and on it goes. This kind of thing (being bitchy, racist, bigoted, prejudiced, etc) isn’t unique to white people by any means and it’s perhaps time for some white queers to stop constantly finding ways to make themselves appear woke. Seriously kids, as a gay Metis (half native/french), I can tell you it’s tired.
barryaksarben
I do believe you are taught to hate in any form. My parents were very liberal and my dad’s best friend from his army days was a black guy. They ll lived in Chicago when I was born but we moved to IOWA where my mom was from when I was little. I grew up never hearing a racist word from either of my parents who were open and kind to everyone but not religious at all so that wasnt it for sure. OUr small town was horrible with religious types who all had a shit fit when Dad.s buddy came to visit. I heard that he was moms old pimp or that he brought drugs to my dad etc etc. ALl the while they never said one word to my parents but these so called grown ups were fine telling this shit to me and my siblings. I learned very early on that racism was stupidity and nothing more so when I got old enough for sex I saw homophobia in the same way. Yes, there are homophobic poc and racist gays but all we can do is to try to teach them something else. We are all in this together and it is better to find the good guys and try to help the ones who are fixable and ignore the broken ones. We do outnumber them if only by a little
Mike Hunt
Sausage party
nm4047
apart for the misconception of lack of people of colour in Sweden, there needs to be a recognition that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Hate is learnt, as a rule from parents or a parent.
ElPillo
We are all the same I. That each of us has some set of bias. Some biases are more horrible than others, but we do. But we don’t all have the same together. Some are racist towards a color or all colores, or about a nationality, or hair color/length, education/jobs, personality, etc. some of us are aware and care, many don’t.
TheMarc
Some black people live in “bubbles.” In these bubbles, they grow to believe that racism is a very small matter in the modern world relegating to parts of the South US and that always includes the prolific use of the N-word. They are woefully under prepared and often surprised by racism in other forms that come from a multitude of sources that have absolutely NO connection to geography. Personally, I’ve noticed that the tippy top of the white/latin gay dominant hierarchy within the gay community has a marked and obvious preference for black gays that are either walking, over-the-top, caricatures of black gay men or drag queens. Is this true of all white or latin gays? Of course not! Many are very FAR from being racist, even at an unconscious level. But comb social media of a lot of top influencers and you’ll find that’s unmistakable; be Billie Porter or Shangela or get the hell out. And some of those that are “shocked” by racism’s “sudden” existence tend to be those that are parts of those types of groups where they are the ONLY black friend and thus have this assumption of global acceptance because of how inclusive their clique is without noting that they are there to be token and a living wall of defense against any of the other members being called racist.
And it certainly doesn’t lend much to the conversation to point out homophobia in general as it relates to the black community; because the sad part is it gives no acknowledgement of the fact that LGBT members of the black community face extreme homophobia among their own families and community and then face it again, albeit sometimes more subtler, from with the greater LGBT community itself.
kyrodamien
I’ve been around a mixed crowd my whole life In school as well as where. Lived! Never had problems. Came out in the early 90’s and my first encounter was a racist one. After it happening several times. I cut out that interaction. Proximity to whiteness was never important to me. Being around decent people was my goal. White gays seemingly lack that.