Even after reading the lengthy description of porn entrepreneur Michael Lucas’ latest business endeavor, where he’ll host a group travel tour of Israel, his favorite-ist place on earth, we’re still not sure whether the $4,799 price tag (link possibly NSFW) includes any of Lucas’ famed proselytizing against Palestine. Which, let’s be honest, would be worth that price alone even without a Lucas-hosted jaunt to the Dead Sea! So what can we expect from the Lucas Brand™ excursion?
Well for one, don’t think you and the 20 lucky participants are getting some schmucky Israel tourist-y package here, folks.
Don’t get me wrong: this is not your average tourist vacation. For example, I will not take you nor will I send you to any tourist restaurants! We will eat only the finest authentic Israeli cuisine preferred by the locals, and I will organize a dinner for whomever is interested with some of the top Lucas Entertainment performers, like Jonathan Agassi and Naor Tal!
And certainly don’t think you won’t have a chance to get naked with Mr. Lucas himself!
I’ll also be sure to take you to one of my favorite beaches, hidden far away from the overcrowded coastal scene: Gaash Beach. This is the premiere clothing-optional beach in Tel-Aviv known only to insiders. You can feel free to lie in the sun as nude as you’d like, enjoy the ocean, or feel free to watch any number of hot guys have sex up and down the shore! I have traveled all around the world and never encountered a beach like this one.
Oh hey, and it’s just in time to go up against the luxury travel package just announced by Steele Travel and NYC nightlife impresario Josh Wood. Competition!
How about we take this to the next level?
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MissTransSylvaniaTV
I need a lipo, so I think I’m saving my money for that instead of going with Michael.
Peter
Dude – have u ever seen Israel? It’s gorgeous and mondo gay friendly. It should be a great opportunity 2 see the country!
Fitz
Israel is wonderful. Especially Tel Aviv. And the people are just so wonderful to tourists. 4700 is about average. I wont go because I am too old and not-hot to hang with someone like Lucas. But I love Israel and go there every few years.
Qjersey
Israel is just like the US; once you leave the cities you are confronted by the haters…at least that was what my Israeli ex-BF used to say.
“I will organize a dinner for whomever is interested with some of the top Lucas Entertainment performers, like Jonathan Agassi and Naor Tal!” = PIMP
Same Crap
Do you also get harass, kick, punch, and humiliate old Palestinian women? I think that would add to the authenticity of the experience.
DiMarino
This is kind of exciting- no? He is kind of a perfectionist with his movies so I bet he’ll have everything planned out and set-up for an amazing trip. I would pay that price just to have one dinner with Jonathan Agassi …grrr!
Sandie
Haters aside, I think this is a xcelent idea. I wanna go!!!!
onCloud9
whers Israel?
Republican
This will sell out fast. Too bad I already have vacation plans for those dates.
TheInsider
I would not give a penny to this freak.
Dmitriy
No. 5 · Same Crap
Do you also get harass, kick, punch, and humiliate old Palestinian women? I think that would add to the authenticity of the experience.
-Oh wow after all the Palestinians are victimized 24 seven, especially those that fly rockets into israel that happen to land on people, their homes, business, schools, and hospitals.
THeAwfulTruth
I read somwhere the best descrition of Michael Lucas: platypus. LOL.
Skandull
*Sigh* Obviously Lucas is a huge supporter of Israel, so something like this shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. And really, ladies, get a life and let the man be.
terrwill
Lucas is the only person with any degree of celebrity who has the balls to not sugarcoat, and state the truth about fundamentalist islamic scumbags who wish nothing but death and misery on the Gays. Everytime he is featured in one of these threads people heap hate on him for speaking his mind. You know the types who feel that we can find “common ground” with a culture of subhuman scumbags who gather thousands in a town square to cheer on the slow hanging of two Gay teens…………….
Jadis
Terwill, you’re awfully quick to call people subhuman, and make hasty generalizations about an entire people. Most people, like anywhere, just want to go about their lives.
Disclaimer: I am a Jew who supports Gush Shalom. It wasn’t that long ago that someone else was calling *us* subhuman, and I won’t apply that to others.
I’m guessing you won’t be hearing that from Michael Lucas, though.
terrwill
@Jadis: “fundamentalist islamic scumbags”, sorry just can’t recall seeing any donations to any Gay orgs from the fundamentalist islamic wing. But I have seen many reports of how many thousands of Gays have been tortured and murdered simply for being Gay. Use the googles to find out about the two Gay teens ages 14 and 16 who were tortured in a prison for two years being subjected to sessions of 30 lashes at a time which ripped the flesh off their bodies. They were then sent to a filthy cell to “heal” at which point they were lashed again This cycle was carried on for a period of two years until they completed their sentence. After the final series of lashes new “crimes were discovered”, that of “molestation” of another teen. They were then sentenced to death by hanging. In “civil” cultures one is hanged by standing on a trap door with the noose around your neck. The trap is tripped and you die quickly of a broken neck. These two teens were placed on a flatbed truck in the middle of a square with a cheering mob of thousands of these people “who just want to go about their lives” as you put it. The two kids then had the blindfolds removed so they could see each other and the cheering mobs. The truck slowly drove forward, leaving them to die a slow agonizing death by suffocatioin……..You tell me what a culture that cheers on seeing two teens being suffocated……..Its people like you who would have been right at home with the Jews during the holocaust who felt no need to fight the Germans………..
terrwill
…..and lets not forget the Gays in Iraq who are now grabbed off the streets, tied down and then have holes drilled into their bones………or have their asses sealed with surgical glue and then given drinks to induce diarreah, basicaly they die from having their intestines explode. The whole fucking culture hates every fiber of our being and one only wishes an earthquake 100X the maginitute of the one that struck Hati would demolish that whole cesspool of the globe……….
Jadis
“Its people like you who would have been right at home with the Jews during the holocaust who felt no need to fight the Germans………..”
Fuck you. I have relatives who died in the Shoah. How dare you accuse me of that! You fail at life.
Dmitriy
when you take your liberal blinders off you will realize that the only country in the Middle East that protects the rights of LGBT people is Israel. While there are countries in the Middle East that no longer have sodomy laws; these countries have no legal protections(e.g. Georgia, Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Jordan).
Here’s another FACT: all the countries that proscribe the death penalty for homosexuality are Muslim majority theocracies.
Not to mention the fact that that majority of countries that still have sodomy laws are also mostly populated by Muslims.
So yes it is their CULTURE that is to blame. So yes these people are SUBHUMANS who wouldn’t think twice about imprisoning you.
@No. 15 · Jadis
Terwill, you’re awfully quick to call people subhuman, and make hasty generalizations about an entire people. Most people, like anywhere, just want to go about their lives.
Disclaimer: I am a Jew who supports Gush Shalom. It wasn’t that long ago that someone else was calling *us* subhuman, and I won’t apply that to others.
I’m guessing you won’t be hearing that from Michael Lucas, though.
Rick Corwin
This will be a great trip. Michael Lucas knows the country well and knows lots of great people there. Whatever his politics, it will be a great opportunity to see Israel from the inside. I am very seriously thinking of going!
Kieran
The issue of Palestinian human rights and ethnic cleansing aside, I hope they will atleast take some time to lay a wreath in memory of the murdered gay victims at the youth center in “gay friendly” Israel. The homophobic terrorist(s) responsible for this attrocity remain, shamefully, at large.
Jadis
Israel may have better LGBT rights than Muslim theocracies, but it isn’t exactly progressive by Western standards. Israel is a Western country in spite of its location. Try having a pride march in Jerusalem and see how the penguins treat you. Those people would stone you to death if they could.
Calling an entire people subhuman is racist and fascist. There are plenty of people here who would imprison me as well, in case you’d forgotten. Before Lawrence vs Texas they would have done so in the US. How long ago was that? Seven years?
Fighting fascism by becoming a fascist means you lose before you start. Many Muslim countries have shitty repressive governments who feed propaganda to kids in school. Does that make all of them collectively guilty?
Republican
@Jadis:
Lawrence struck down the remaining sodomy laws, but it’s not like they were being regularly enforced before that decision. An arrest for sodomy in the home was quite rare. I’m not saying the USA was, or is, a gay utopia, but let’s not get crazy here.
JonathanHasHasIt
Wow Terrwill, so a former escort and porn star is what we need to advance the cause of gay rights? No wonder straights laugh at us and at our obsession with sex and porn and glorification of porn stars.
Same Crap
“Oh wow after all the Palestinians are victimized 24 seven, especially those that fly rockets into israel that happen to land on people, their homes, business, schools, and hospitals.”
After seeing this, who can blame them?
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/09/13/world/20090913SETTLERS_6.html
Same Crap
Look, Dmitriy, you are probably in the Israel-can-do-no-wrong caucus. Fine.
I happen to think Israelis and Palestinians both tend to be assholes, and a pox on both of them.
terrwill
@JonathanHasHasIt: Obviously you “don’t” have it. If you read my post, I stated this:
Lucas is the only person with any degree of celebrity who has the balls to not sugarcoat, and state the truth about fundamentalist islamic scumbags who wish nothing but death and misery on the Gays.
And yes I do agree that it is sad that the only person with any type of platform to speak the truth about these savages is a pornster…………
Dimity has states it correctly. Your being Gay in any Muslim country would land you in a filthy hell hole of a prison.
As to Israel firing rockets, picture this scenario. If Canada had lobbed thousands of rockets into the US, who would cry that it was wrong to fight back? Israel only aquesied to the pleas of the US to hold off. They should have anilihated the rocket launchers after the first launch.
Jadis
What if those rockets were not fired by Canada itself, but by a bunch of hillbillies in a field somewhere?
Hashem
U can keep going on and on and on and on about Jews and Palestinians. But there is only 1 truth: The country belongs to the Palestinians. The Jews use everything that Hitler forgot to use to torture the Palestinians out of their land! But the won’t leave. And for that they are heroes! Freedomfighters!!!!!
Dmitriy
@Same Crap:
No I understand that the West Bank is almost entirely under Israeli control. I understand that it is illegal. I believe that Israel should stop all settlements and dismantle existing settlements so that there can be a Palestinian state. However Israel shouldn’t have to recognize a HAMAS run government that doesn’t recognize it’s right to exist and is quite frankly asking for one thing: “please loosen your security so that blowing you up will be a piece of cake.” Yes the barrier between the West Bank and Israel is illegal and yes the check points do restrict the movement of Palestinians between Gaza and the West Bank, however what they keep out is terrorists literally driving over into Israel and blowing themselves up on buses, restaurants, and malls.
But you expect me to believe that Israeli lives are disposable so that a bloody thirsty regime can attempt(according to them) to drive out every last Jew from Israel.
Dmitriy
@Hashem:
Um sorry to break it to you buddy but “Palestinians” never existed until Israel declared it’s independence: the land was part of Jordan before British rule. Second of all the name Palestine is a name given to the land after they kicked out the Jews, for the purpose of erasing any ties that the land had to them.
Third: do not compare treatment of Palestinians (there were never millions of Palestinians killed nor were there even a hundred thousand)to the deaths of 11 million Nazi victims (Jewish and Non-Jewish).
the only way that there will be peace on this land is when both sides agree that the other is going nowhere. Shooting rockets into Israel will only give the Palestinian people the same response as was seen in Operation Cast Lead.
Hashem
@Dmitriy: Without the jewish invasion there wouldn’t be a Hamas! U expect the Palestinians to just do nothing???
Hashem
hahah jewish independence? give me a break..what ties? get over it.. that was 2000 years ago.. Or should we give back all the land tot the indians? what u say is just zion-BS
Dmitriy
@Hashem:
so palestinians have the right to attack Israeli civilians?
Jadis
Hashem, you suck. Israel is there now, you can’t expect them to just up pegs and move. Something has to be worked out.
Israel’s current approach (and since September 11 the US’s approach as well) is utterly counterproductive. It just radicalizes them more and more. Now there’s a generation of kids with no education, living in hell. What do you think they’ll do when they reach 20 or so? Same situation as in Iraq, and I would argue that the US has behaved worse than Israel in this regard.
It has also ruined Israel’s culture. I have in-laws there, and I got to watch them gradually become more and more racist. They don’t mince words about “Muslims” either; it’s Arabs. It was very disheartening.
Back in the 1950s, many Muslim countries were quite moderate. Iran was a democracy. Then came the CIA coups, and injured pride and resentment from that played into the hands of ever more radical groups. It’s human nature.
Dmitriy
@Hashem:
what ties?
53% of israelis are of recent middle eastern origin: as in kicked out from the Arab world post israeli independence
Hashem
That’s because u guys see the Palestinians as the radicals. I see the jews as the radicals.
Dmitriy
@Hashem:
of course you do, you’re a lefty
Hashem
actually i’m soooo right.. republican all the way… ur just a racist.
Dmitriy
@Hashem:
No I’m not a republican.
Yeah call me a “racist” because I don’t support the destruction of Israel.
Jadis
They’re both radicals. That’s the problem. People are thinking with their testicles.
Hashem, you’re part of the problem.
Hashem
I meant that I am a republican u idiot! Israel doesn’t exist… So there can be no destruction. And I’m not part of the problem. I tell it like I see it. U don’t
Jadis
Yeah I do. I think if you check, you’ll find that Israel in fact does exist. If you could just cope with this then it would make life easier for everyone.
Your solution will just lead to more and more war, and ever increasing savagery. War sucks. It makes everyone poor and degrades their culture.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
Free Palestine!
Jadis
Now you’re off into antisemitic land, goodbye.
Hashem
antisemitic? because other people hate jews? euhm no..
terrwill
Wanna really make the US safe from the inevitable nuke strike within our borders? Move all the population of Israel to one of the mostly empty square states we have in the middle of the country. Then simply level the Mid East. Paint the bombs pink and write on them love and kisses from the Gays…………
Hashem
mostly empty states… so again… let them take other people’s land… and it all starts all over again.
But on the other hand… if the jews left Palestine… No more need for Hamas.. or Jihad…
But then again.. there can only be 1 solution… Been tried before.. Maybe next time someone will succeed..
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
Two-State Solution!
Dmitriy
@dontblamemeivotedforhillary:
exactly!!!!
Jadis
“But then again.. there can only be 1 solution… Been tried before..”
If that’s not antisemitic, I don’t know what is. We all know what you’re talking about.
And there is no god, you have wasted your life believing a lie.
Jadis
Yep, two state solution, ’67 borders. Is this too much to ask for?
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
BTW – Which one is the camel?
schlukitz
No. 16 · terrwill
If we mention the word Black, we are immediately accused of being racists.
If we mention the word Jew, we are immediately accused of being anti-semetic.
If we mention the word “Muslim” or “Islam”, we are immediately accused of making hasty generalizations about an entire people
If we mention the word subhuman, we are immediately chasised and corrected by the very people who themselves were the victims of subhuman treatment.
If we mention the word Mormon or Christer, we are immediately accused of church-bashing.
Just as I wondered why LGBT people have allowed all of the above clans to demonize, verbally abuse, brutalize, torture and murder us over the past two-thousand years or so, I have often wondered why six million Jews allowed themselves to be herded off to the gas ovens without ever resisting or fighting back?
Mind you, I am not in any way blaming them for what happened, nor did they bring it upon themselves.
I just have to wonder why it seems to be a human trait to always give the oppressors the benefit of the doubt, be politically correct and respectful of them, while they fuck the shit out of us?
Dmitriy
@schlukitz:
Is this a serious question?
schlukitz
No. 56 · Dmitriy
@schlukitz:
Is this a serious question?
Yeah. As serious as it gets. Especially when we have Iranians hanging teen aged boy in public squares, gays being brutzliaed and murdered on the streets of the USA and Uganda pushing for a “Kill the gays” law.
Why aren’t we rioting in the streets about these injustices?
Daniel
I still don’t see why this guy’s opinion is at all relevant. He seems to have a very twisted image of himself. Why do I care about what some porn star who looks like a duck thinks about foreign affairs? Come on people, the man has sex for a living. He didn’t get an education and what exactly are his credentials? Again, why is this man’s opinion at all relevant? There are so many educated, repected figures in the gay community and yet we choose to listen to some idiot ranting. Michael Lucas is known for being a major drama queen and an attention whore. Please treat him like you would a 7 year old, ignore him and maybe he’ll go back living under a rock somewhere. Again, please don’t take political commentary from a porn star seriously. If I need advice on how to use a dildo, then I might ask him. haha. See you in hell Michael.
terrwill
@schlukitz: You hit every point right on, It seems a lot of posters on these threads wish we were all bottoms in all aspects of our lives, not just the bedroom……….
No. 58 · Daniel: Check out what Lukas has said about the fundamentalist muslims. Sorry Danny but he is 100% correct in his assesment. They hate every fiber of our being and none of them would hesitate for a second to end your life in a nanosecond. Their hatred is ingrained re-read (or read) my previous post on this thread:
Jadis: “fundamentalist islamic scumbags”, sorry just can’t recall seeing any donations to any Gay orgs from the fundamentalist islamic wing. But I have seen many reports of how many thousands of Gays have been tortured and murdered simply for being Gay. Use the googles to find out about the two Gay teens ages 14 and 16 who were tortured in a prison for two years being subjected to sessions of 30 lashes at a time which ripped the flesh off their bodies. They were then sent to a filthy cell to “heal” at which point they were lashed again This cycle was carried on for a period of two years until they completed their sentence. After the final series of lashes new “crimes were discovered”, that of “molestation” of another teen. They were then sentenced to death by hanging. In “civil” cultures one is hanged by standing on a trap door with the noose around your neck. The trap is tripped and you die quickly of a broken neck. These two teens were placed on a flatbed truck in the middle of a square with a cheering mob of thousands of these people “who just want to go about their lives” as you put it. The two kids then had the blindfolds removed so they could see each other and the cheering mobs. The truck slowly drove forward, leaving them to die a slow agonizing death by suffocatioin……..You tell me a culture that cheers on seeing two teens being suffocated
is “civilized”, or there can be a “dialouge” with them????
What is pathetic is that a pornster is one of the few who calls these subhuman scumbags out for what they are………..
Cam
No. 5 · Same Crap said…
Do you also get harass, kick, punch, and humiliate old Palestinian women? I think that would add to the authenticity of the experience.
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Wow, that is about as bigoted and stereotyical as if you had asked if every old Palestinian women had a bomb strapped under their headscarf. Before you freak out too much try to remember that gay Palestinians flee to Israel so they won’t be jailed or killed. Until a country doesn’t jail or kill people for being gay they will get none of my sympathy.
JonathanHasHasIt
no.27 Terrwill,
Duh, so you agree with what I am saying then. Other than your little condescending snark at my name – and speaking of names, what does yours mean? – then the rest of your posting has not much to do with what I stated.
hardmannyc
for $5,000 I’d want more than dinner with a porn star.
As for all these arguments about the Palestinians, WHO CARES? We’re talking about a frigging tourist trip to a country. Maybe people shouldn’t come to the U.S. because of our genocide against Native Americans.
Give it a rest.
Bubblicious
yeah, for 5 grand, I would want all of them to jump into my hotel bed and show me the real milk and honey!
Same Crap
“Wow, that is about as bigoted and stereotyical as if you had asked if every old Palestinian women had a bomb strapped under their headscarf.”
Spare me your poutrage. There are people calling an entire group of people ‘subhumans’ and I am the bigot? Sister, please.
Cam
No. 64 · Same Crap said…
“Wow, that is about as bigoted and stereotyical as if you had asked if every old Palestinian women had a bomb strapped under their headscarf.”
Spare me your poutrage. There are people calling an entire group of people ‘subhumans’ and I am the bigot? Sister, please.
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Give it a rest, ARabs can become citizens in Isreal, there are elected Arab legisaters, they make up 25% of the elected body in Isreal…..Jews cannot become citizens in Palestine. So again, you can call it whatever you will, but what I see is somebody who is self hating enough to support people that will jail, stone and kill gays and attack the only country in the region that allows people of different religeons and sexual orientations to live their lives. Do you also support Uganda, they have pretty much the same opinion as Palestine towards gays.
MissGluteusMaximus
I have a headache. Everytime I read an subject of which I know nuttin about like this Israel Palestine thing, my wig wants to fall off!
Dmitriy
@Cam:
exactly ARabs make up 20 percent of the Israeli population
why? it’s simple in 1948 instead of leaving, they accepted the citizenship that Israel offered them.
Not to say that they HAD to accept, but they did.
Second of all if Israel was to accept the millions of palestinians living in the West Bank, Gaza, and the surrounding countries: that would spell the end of Israel. Demographically Israeli Jews would become 40 percent of the population.
The only fair solution for the Palestinian and the ISRAELI people is to live in two separate states.
However the way things are going in the West Bank: Israel is effectively dooming itself because it is creating a defacto multinational state through land settlements in the West Bank.
Consequently the Palestinian people are hopeless in the West Bank because they live in between Israeli controlled settlements and Israeli only roads that cut through and around Palestinian land.
terrwill
@JonathanHasHasIt: Little bit of circular logic you have stated JonJon……..
Wow Terrwill, so a former escort and porn star is what we need to advance the cause of gay rights? No wonder straights laugh at us and at our obsession with sex and porn and glorification of porn stars.
I would ask that you familarize yourself with the actual material in the threads prior to making a post. What Lukas said and what I was refering to had nothing to do with “the advance of the cause of Gay rights”, but rather what subhuman savage scumbags the fundamentalist islamics are. And if you read my description of what they did to two Gay teens who were lovers and unfortunately being that they were kids having their first crush they got a little careless and wern’t careful enough to hide their relationship. Something that resulted in two years of unimaginable torture and then a slow painfull death in front of a cheering mob of thousands of savages………..
hardmannyc
Hashem: You’ve got a big mouth (or rather pen). Chill.
Cam
No. 67 · Dmitriy said..
@Cam:
However the way things are going in the West Bank: Israel is effectively dooming itself because it is creating a defacto multinational state through land settlements in the West Bank.
Consequently the Palestinian people are hopeless in the West Bank because they live in between Israeli controlled settlements and Israeli only roads that cut through and around Palestinian land.
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Again, you can parse it any way you want, but you are defending countries that would murder and imprison you. Just how deep does your self hatred run? There is nothing that anybody can say to make me see countries as a poor victim when they would stone and murder me just for how I was born. So you go right ahead and defend Palestine, Uganda, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and every other country around the world that murders gays.
hardmannyc
Gay men who defend Palestine and the Arab countries should join Jews for Hitler.
terrwill
@hardmannyc: And lets not forget the Black chapter of the KKK…………
CHIP1218
Wow, most of you immediately go to the Palestinian issue or Israeli political issue…this is a tour of a travel destination!!!
If Johan and Lukas were offering a week in Czech Republic/Slovakia/Germany for $5,000 for 20 tourists, would people be posting about Communism and WW2???
Face it, for many of you out there, there’s a double standard whenever the country is Israel or the person is Jewish.
Dmitriy
@Cam:
I’m not defending Sharia law when it comes to gays. I believe that the Palestinian people should have their own country. There is nothing self hating about that. I believe that Israel deserves to exist on that land too.
Cam
No. 74 · Dmitriy said…
@Cam:
I’m not defending Sharia law when it comes to gays. I believe that the Palestinian people should have their own country. There is nothing self hating about that. I believe that Israel deserves to exist on that land too.
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You went on a little speechmaking rant about a completely different subject here to defend a people that want nothing more but to kill us or imprison us.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
Brooklyn is a cheap cab ride away and who wants to fly International anyway with all those religious nutters and a mentally unstable porn star? Being stuck with Michael Lucas seems like water torture to me as I have an open mind, and appreciation for all people’s capacity to co-exist. I believe in a two-state solution also known as the catalyst for Middle East Peace. I think that Ethiopan Jews deserve to be recognized and that Suicide bombers are cowards. Last time I checked, they were progressive positions, not anti-semetism. Some of the arguments being made here are anti-muslim, anti-German and anti-communist when they probably meant fascism (Chip-the-crazy!) HardmanNYC, you have gone into the deep end of insanity which explains some of your harsher comments in the past. Get help, any of you who cast dispersions at others based on your religious beliefs. Who is the fanatic?
perhapsnot
Cool but he’s got Glambert pancake make-up face. Not zexy.
Drake
Lucas is old and over the hill. Send this he-whore back to Russia. He claims to be an uncircumcised atheist Jew who hates arabs and moslems and much of the rest of humanity.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
He looks like Sandra Bullock if she was a Drag King! Feminine, but totally not masculine…
CHIP1218
Last time I checked, Czechoslovakia was a communist country before the Fall of the Berlin Wall, so I meant communism and not facism. I don’t blame the 20-30 something Bel Ami models for what their grandparents may or may not have done during WW2.
I would love to see a Two State Solution, but I think that died when Arafat refused everything Bill Clinton and Ehud Barak offered him in 2000.
Gay Unity
Seriously, going to Israel with someone who so hates Arab people, and Palestinians, would be like going to South Africa before Apartheid.
I am a Zionist, but what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people is just evil. Cut the deal, Israelis. Bring peace to your own country before you destroy the world.
Until then, Michael Lucas, you and your hatred can fuck off.
Gay Unity
before Apartheid *ended
Mark
@CHIP1218
You do realize there is a difference between WW2 and the situation in Israel, it bing that the first has ended some 60 years ago?
Mike
There aren’t nearly enough comments about Michael Lucas’ Botoxed perma-scowl.
CHIP1218
@Mark:
The point is, we’re talking about a tourism trip. Every location has a bad history or current problems. When I am with my German friends, I don’t ask if their grandparents were Nazis. I don’t ask my Eastern European friends if their parents were KGB or Communists. I don’t ask my Yugoslav friends what their parents did during the civil war. These things don’t define the current generation. These Israeli porn models did not cause the strife between Israel and Palestinians and neither did Michael Lucas. If he’s an Israeli citizen, then this issue has a right to be important to him. To me, as I’m not Israeli, I would love to see peace but don’t think it will happen anytime soon. The same political consultants that got George W. Bush elected twice are the ones who got Benjamin Netanyahu elected again, so that pretty much answers the question as to will there be peace while he’s in office…
Since to most people on here we MUST talk about Israeli treatment of Palestinians whenever the word Israel comes up (which is ridiculous, I mean this site got into that debate even when Israel’s Eurovision song was discussed!), lets look at the facts. In 2000 Ehud Barak and Bill Clinton brokered a deal giving East Jerusalem to the Palestinian Authority, the full Gaza Strip and 91% of the West Bank, and setting up a multibillion dollar fund to compensate families that were displaced by the 1948 War. Arafat said no, because he didn’t want to agree to anything final. What he meant by that one can only assume. Maybe he was afraid once this was finalized he’d lose his power, access to money to give to his cohorts, I don’t know if we’ll ever find out – just like we’ll never find out his cause of death! Because of this, both sides moved to the right of center, Israel with Likud/Kadima and Palestinians with the rise of Hamas as a political party.
Why weren’t the Palestinians who lived in Gaza citizens of Egypt for those 20 years? Or those who lived in the West Bank citizens of Jordan? Oh right, because their own “cousins” didn’t want to treat them as equals!!! As for those who blame Israel for kicking out the Palestinians during the 1948 War, that NEVER HAPPENED! Even Khadaffi wrote about that being false in an editorial in the New York Times. The neighboring countries spread the rumor that Israelis were going to come after them to try and prolong the war. Those that stayed received Israeli citizenship and lived with more rights and a better standard of living than ANY OTHER Palestinians in the Middle East. 60 years later and Palestinians who live in other Arab countries still find it near impossible to become full citizens of their adopted nations, no wonder they need a country of their own!!! The plight of the Palestinians does not fall solely on the Israeli government and its people.
As for the reaction of Israel’s armed forces when they get bombed by Hamas suicide bombers or rocket fire, lets take a look at how we the United States acts after a terrorist attack. Thanks to the Christmas Underwear bomber, if you are flying from Canada to the USA you need to put your hand down your pants during security, and have an agent swab your hands to see if there are any traces of chemicals, powders, etc. I fly between Canada and the US frequently and for a 90 minute flight, I now have to arrive 3-4 hours before departure to ensure I will make the plane on time due to the hightened security. Imagine what we would be doing if our border cities were being bombed by rocket and missile fire coming from Toronto, Niagra Falls, London, Kingston, and other Canadian border cities? Or if San Diego was shelled by Tijuana, or Texas attacked with rocket fire by some Mexican border city? Think of what Spain has to do near the Basque region to ensure the safety of their citizens in Madrid and other cities, and that’s when they have sovereignty over the Basque area, it’s not France or Portugal attacking Spanish cities!
So before everyone rushes to judgment, maybe they should actually visit the country and see how it feels to live in that environment, both Israel and the Palestinian territories. Once you actually see it for yourself, you might get a better understanding on why Israel makes certain decisions. Also, you will see how the younger generation of Israelis do want peace, just like the younger generation of Americans want marriage equality – but it’s going to take time before it can be reality.
CountMeOut
who cares about this shit, boring!
Gay Unity Now
@CHIP1218:
Your denial about the genocidal tactics Israel takes against Palestinians is unreal. (And I’m not saying the other Arab countries aren’t hypocritical….just that Israel’s ongoing harassment of innocent Palestinians is the biggest impediment to world peace, so stop it.)
Really, what’s the difference between Israelis building in the West Bank and the German moves into Poland and C-vlakia? I don’t see it.
It is a cycle of abuse. It’s as if the Israeli people, abused by Nazis, now have to turn their abuse onto Palestine. When will it end?
onCloud9
if Michael Lucas is jewish why is he uncut?
Dmitriy
@Gay Unity Now:
here we go again, far left scum comparing the treatment of palestinians to the deaths of 11 million people under the nazi regime
V
A repellent creature; an apartheid state.