Update: Sean Patrick Maloney Responds To His Critics Below
Progressive, Democratic and gay New York Congressman Sean Patrick Maloney caught some angry flak for putting out a ringing defense of Syrian refugees–and then voting for a Republican bill that would place new restrictions on accepting refugees from Syria and Iraq. Openly gay Colorado Rep. Jared Polis basically did the same. Rhetoric defeated reality.
Many are outraged, first because gay Congressmen were supporting a Republican bill, and second because their vote made it look like they were discriminating against an oppressed group–a special sin for representatives of the LGBT community.
First the good words from Maloney:
Our nation has long stood as a beacon of freedom, but after the events of the last few weeks some leaders have given into fear and turned their backs on refugees. These actions are reprehensible, and present a false choice between our values and our security. It’s understandable that people are scared, and Americans have a right to know that the process we use to screen refugees will keep us safe. I have a lot of faith in our system, and I don’t believe these refugees — the overwhelming majority of whom are women, elderly, and children – threaten our communities or national security. So instead of slowing the program or pausing it, the Administration should agree to immediately certify refugees if they pass the current extensive screenings and we should all refocus on actual threats.
Queerty asked Maloney how he could reconcile those admirable sentiments with his support of the Republican bill, and he replied:
I understand, indeed share, so many of your concerns. I begged the White House to simply embrace an automatic ‘certification’ done by executive directive to the agencies at the conclusion of the existing process. (Something they could still do under the legislation.) We have a two-year process that works and reviews mostly seniors, women and children. There’s no reason on earth they couldn’t have done the simple step called for in this bill. This is nothing like what the GOP presidential candidates are calling for; it’s actually a weak weak bill. By opposing it we’ve created this ridiculous ‘sending them to their death’ narrative. The president just needs to get home from the Phillipines, with a stop in Paris, and lead the country through this frightening period. I’d really encourage you to read the bill. It’s nothing like the click-bait stories suggest. But again, I lost sleep over this and still struggle with it.
We did read the bill, and see at least two problems in it. First, it singles out refugees from Syria or Iraq–or anyone who “has been present in Iraq or Syria at any time on or after March 1, 2011″ for special treatment. Secondly, it requires three top Federal officials–FBI Director, Secretary of Homeland Security and Director of National Intelligence to cerify that each “covered alien is not a threat to the security of the United States.” And while Maloney thinks the administration could get around this through an “automatic certification process,” Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch and FBI Director James B. Comey both said the House bill would create significant new burdens for the administration. “To ask me to have my FBI director or other members of the administration to make personal guarantees would effectively grind the program to a halt,” said Lynch.
The whole debate may become soon become moot. First, the bill has to get through the Senate, and minority leader Harry Reid has said that will never happen.
And even if it does get through the Senate, the President has said he will veto it, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has predicted that the House would sustain his veto.
Despite his vote yesterday, Maloney has not ruled out voting to sustain Obama’s veto if the bill does come back to the house.
As for the equally tortured Polis, who is from a family of Jewish refugees, this is what he said on his Facebook page:
Some of the Syrian refugees are gay. Others are Christian. Others are Muslim. It shouldn’t matter. They are all human beings. My own family history, as is true for so many Americans, also includes fleeing from oppression and persecution to the promise of freedom here in America. I have worked with and gotten to know so many wonderful refugee families in Colorado and founded a school whose mission includes serving displaced young people. It is that personal background that makes me so passionate about this issue and ensuring that America can provide a safe new start for some of those who have lost everything.
I’ve received plenty of calls, tweets, letters and Facebook messages about my vote yesterday on the SAFE Act and I wanted to use this forum to further explain my position. Many people unfortunately interpreted my vote yesterday as a vote against refugees. Such an interpretation is very painful to me, and nothing could be further from the truth. Without reservation, I’m a staunch supporter of accepting refugees from all countries and faiths who are fleeing violence and persecution. For months, I have been pushing the Obama administration to increase the amount of refugees we are accepting from Syria. As recently as September, I sent letter to the Administration urging them to accept 100,000 Syrians over the next year.
The civil war in Syria has displaced over nine million people to date; we MUST do more than simply accepting an additional 10,000 refugees when we have the capacity to help so many more and our European allies are so strained. In light of the ever-evolving threat of violent extremism, however, I believe that we must also be willing to collectively reexamine our screening procedures in order to help ensure the safety of our communities. We don’t have to choose between providing refuge to displaced peoples and keeping our own citizens safe – these goals are not mutually exclusive. That’s why I voted for the SAFE Act yesterday. After careful review, and after speaking with the White House, I understood that the SAFE Act would NOT prevent us from accepting refugees in the future, nor would it cause delays. It’s unfortunate that the current debate over the SAFE Act has become so polarized – on both sides.
Throughout my time in Congress, I’ve forcefully advocated for enabling children and families whose lives have been torn apart by violence to take refuge in the United States. I don’t believe we have to choose between a robust vetting process and accepting refugees, I believe we can and must –do both.
UPDATE: Sean Maloney Responds:
To my progressive friends: boy, have I heard you on this Syrian refugee vote. I clearly failed to see how much symbolic weight so many of you put on this. I own that. (Note that nearly 50 Dems and many liberals voted this way.) I was angry with the White House for not simply standing behind its already extensive screening process by saying sure, we’ll do an instant agency-head certification at the end. It seemed like classic bureaucratic push back, which will hand the conservatives more ammunition to do real harm. I saw this as a workable firewall to protect the process without harming a single refugee. Indeed, I thought it would actually provide cover for the President to increase (as we must) our acceptance of those who need and deserve refuge here. But I see now that many of you thought this was a conscience vote and, in those terms, I see why you felt let down.
Phillip Bernal
Because these fucks are soulless evil fucks..
Peter McKinney
It’s offensive to think that all gay people must think alike.
Kenny Walker
Is there any relevance in his decision as to him being gay?
Ryan Green
Because they’re white supremacists… It overrides the gay.
Andrew Hwang
Being gay doesn’t mean one can’t be ignorant and prejudiced.
Matthew Munson
Its because some of them are in swing districts where they can easily be defeated.
Steve McSheffrey
Because gay isn’t some monolithic group where we all think alike. I have nothing in common with the first three other gay folk at work I can think of from work because we were all raised in different areas of the world and we have only the gay thing as a common experience. I have more in common with straight members of my religious affiliation and area of the country than I do with most gay people…
Randy Bowling
What the hell does being gay have anything to do with refugees? What an idiotic caption.
Brandon Humphries
Because they are politicians and go which ever way the wind is blowing OR where the dollars are.
Michael Perry
Because they’re smart
Rick Caffey
It proves to me that they’ll be a repuck soon…
Luis H. Lopez
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with political views . Some gays are fair and intelligent and some are not. That said if the oil money would be cut off from ISIS they would have no funds to buy Toyota trucks and American weapons to attack and murder Syrian people .
Frankie Trice
Gay political figures are typically traitors, so this is not surprising.
Luis H. Lopez
Do they care about Syrian Gays or Iraqi gays who get their heads chopped off by ISiS ? No cause their stupid mother fuckers !
Charles Schultz
They must want to be on the wrong side of history.
Irish Ryan
Maybe these gay guys have a brain!Good for them!
Jon P Florez
Why does the fact that they are gay have anything to do with this?
drivendervish
The sexual orientation of a congress member has absolutely nothing to do with the Syrian refugee crisis and should not inform their ideas or solutions in determining the best way to address the issue.
Tom Gouzoules
Because they realize that they are up for re-elecion next year. They are all such hypocrites.
Thomas Hammond
Yeah two gay guys vote for the bill but they were also 45 Democrats that did for the bill my only question is what was in that briefing they scare 47 Democrats
Tom Burrows
Too bad SPM pushed Matt Alexander out of the way by choosing to run for election from his weekend home. Need a primary challenger for him. He is not a progressive
Anthony Vincent
.. being gay does not always equate with empathy and compassion. they haven’t earned the right.
Giancarlo85
Stupid people are everywhere. 47 Democrats made errors.
You know what the issue here is? Do you honestly think a terrorist is going to come in disguised as a refugee? That’s the dumbest pile of crap I have ever heard. Any refugees that come into this country will be screened ten times over. Maybe one should check out how easy it is to get a travel visa into this country… maybe the rules on that should be tightened!
We got to get these right wing idiots out of Congress. This has gone long enough.
woodin
It’s just another excuse this time to openly discriminate using fear and readily available ignorance. And they are going gang busters manipulating the public with this fear. As everyone should know or knows the GOP party platform doesn’t include women, gays, minorities, non-Christians and the 99 percent.
Refugees from Syria are no different from Mexico, Cuba, Vietnam or Africa, Syrians are just the current fashion.
Thw question should be..why any reasonable and rational gay person would want to be a member of the Republican party?
SeeingAll
They’re elected to protect the American people. They’re doing their job. Would you want to be responsible for even ONE terrorist attack, even if only one terrorist got through with legitimate refugees? (Besides, on a more personal note, how gay-friendly do you really think this new population of refugees will be?)
SeeingAll
@woodin: “Refugees from Syria are no different from Mexico, Cuba, Vietnam or Africa” Well….Mexicans Cubans and Vietnamese aren’t homophobes.
John Zimmer
If their GOP what does being gay have to do with it,can it get any dumber, the dumbing down of America.
Nathan Eidelson
Because they are dumb, that’s why.
SeeingAll
Maybe the test for admitting these people should be putting on a T-shirt showing a cartoon depicting Muhammad and walking hand-in-hand with your boyfriend through one of the refugee camps to see what happens.
SeeingAll
@John Zimmer: “they’re”
Chris Duffy
I support the refugees. But I too have to ask…..what does them being gay have to do with it?
Giancarlo85
OMG the clown is posting again. Terrorists are not going to come disguised as refugees. Why don’t we start tightening travel visa controls? I can’t believe how stupid some people are. These idiots in Congress are protecting no one but their own financial interests. They need more terrorism so their defense contractors are happy.
Gavin Fitch
Why does a gay congressman have to automatically support every bill that’s pro-minority or vice versa? And what’s wrong with a Democrat voting for a Republican-sponsored bill or a Republican voting for a Democrat-sponsored bill?
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: How do you know ? You came into the U.S. disguised as a woman.
Giancarlo85
By the way, peanut brain… 9/11 occurred under Bush’s watch. Where was he when that happened? Grossly neglect in his duties reading a children’s book upside down.
The best thing we can do is a continued full fledge air offense and attack ISIL where they stand. The one thing Obama needs to reassess is Bashar Al-Assad… who seems to be turning the tide against ISIL and other groups in the country.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: You go walk through that refugee camp…in your spiked heels, GianCarlo….let’s see..
Giancarlo85
Hey, your buddy Vitter got utterly destroyed in the governor’s election. Here is a tissue box. Vitter was BEHIND even before they counted New Orleans. It’s just that bad. Man… if Louisiana didn’t believe his crap, imagine the beating republicans are going to be getting next year. Vitter sounded just like the top republican candidates.
darian
I believe we should have a trust and verified system for admittance that doesn’t impede on their rights as people. This talk of “special” identification or closing down of places refugees may gather is indeed asinine.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: In a Muhammad T-shirt and spiked heels, GC. Let’s see what happens. Then we can decide if we want more and more of those believers in the U.S.
Giancarlo85
Here is that tissue box. Wipe away your tears. You’re going to be destroyed next year… you’ll probably have a nervous breakdown after Hillary is sworn into office, seeingabsolutelynothing.
AndYouWillDeal
Perhaps because we shouldn’t be bringing hundreds of thousands of people (all at once) of cultures that treat LGBT and women badly? I’m sorry for being selfish and trying to stay alive, avoiding homophobic attacks and rapes by fundamentalists, but I’d like my night encounters with brown skinned, hairy, violent men to at least be semi consensual.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: Why would I have a breakdown ? I voted for Obama last time, and I don’t know who I’m going to vote for this time. Your fantasy that those who disagree with you must be Republican is YOUR fantasy, and the only way you can handle life. That’s why the smart Dems in Congress are in Congress and you’re just sitting home in half-drag getting ready to clack around Santa Monica Boulevard.
SeeingAll
@AndYouWillDeal: But if you DON’T invite homophobes into the country….you’re a xenophobe! And a traitor to gays. Get the logic ? (No, I don’t get it either).
Merv
Did anyone read the article? They both said they wanted to speed up and/or expand the Syrian refugee program. They voted for the bill because they want more stringent vetting for some of the refugees. You may agree or disagree with that reasoning, but it bears very little resemblance to the assumptions being made.
money718
@Giancarlo85: You cannot be that stupid…can you? I guess you don’t believe some illegal immigrants use fake ids or phony social security numbers either. Good grief.
Alexander R. Rodriguez
Maybe so they won’t get KILLED.
Ben Stimpson
I really don’t understand why Queerty is pushing this fantasy that we all muct believe the same because we happen to be gay. As others have pointed out here, atleast some of those Syrian refugees are not going to be open or welcoming of homosexuals… and at the end of the day they are a large group of people entering a country already dealing with immigrants who are out of work, as well as Americans who are out of work. I feel empathy for the refugees because I’m sure they don’t want to be in the situation they are in. However, just because we belong to one oppressed minority doesn’t mean we should be believing or thinking the same way. If anything, this headline in it’s self is homophobic.
John Malin
Somebody steal his dildoes and hide his amyl!
Alexander R. Rodriguez
So is Queerty advocating SELF SUICIDE for gays so they can DIE on the altar of Progressivism?? Sounds like it….
Nathaniel McManus
Because being gay is not 100% of our identity, nor is it an occupation or a talent.
woodin
@SeeingAll: so there might be some truly homophobic Syrians like found in the rest of world population so your solution is to restrict them from our country…seriously? Yikes, another fledging republican!
Richard B Roberts
Something to ponder what your inviting in for your future:http://100percentfedup.com/active-duty-soldiers-riveting-case-against-bringing-syrian-refugees-to-u-s-goes-viral/
Avery Alvarez
@Ben Stimpson: “I really don’t understand why Queerty is pushing this fantasy that we all muct believe the same because we happen to be gay.”
The sooner that the majority of Queerty readers AND writers realize this, the better.
Lorena Redd
whats being gay have to do with having concern about national security. statements like this make no sense.
Giancarlo85
@money718: And what is your solution? A police state with lists of people on them? Your idiot of a candidate Donald Trump supports it.
Oh and cut the crap… The only idiot here is you.
Bitter espoused a bunch of anti immigrant rhetoric. That didn’t help him out one bit. That race is a brutal foreshadowing for gay republican backstabbers.
Giancarlo85
Donald Trump and other Republicans support placing people on lists. In fact entire groups. Sounds like something the Germans did during WWII. If you don’t support the idiotic republican party, you will end up on that list. McCarthyism is resurgent amongst the backwards republican party.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *Vitter. But he sure is BITTER.
Nat Jones
Ive long had an issue with the woeful state of journalism in the gay media, but this has to be one of the most ludicrous and ignorant headlines i’ve seen.
gaym50ish
Has it occurred to any of you that we are inviting in thousands of people whose religion requires them to disdain and mistreat gay people? We have enough of that already from some Christian and Jewish denominations.
That is why I am torn about this issue. Sheltering the refugees is the humanitarian thing to do, but at the same time I don’t want to shelter people who believe that gays should be thrown off of buildings, that gay Muslims should be killed for the “honor” of the family, or that it’s OK to screw little boys because it’s “their culture.”
There are things about “their culture” that are not compatible with ours.
martinbakman
@gaym50ish: I have those concerns as well. I am well aware of immigrants around LA that push their gay family members into the closet. Being gay is just not acceptable to them.
Also, there are just as many people from Central and South America that want to move here. Why can’t we take care of our own neighbors and let Europe take care of theirs, such as the Syrians? Europe needs to shoulder this responsibility.
Does it make sense to bring refugees from every failed state to our homeland? If it does, then why do we let countless millions of Africans sit in refugee camps across Africa. Where is the outcry for their plight?
Gary Weaver
REALLY!!!!
Nate Gallagher
Because they’ve been brainwashed
JessPH
Because it is NOT about discrimination. It’s about NATIONAL SECURITY
1EqualityUSA
There is nothing new under the sun. Republicans stir fear. Fear is their bread and butter (and votes). Piyush Jindal isn’t doing very well politically, because this Republican courts Christian pastors calling for our deaths. His career is a desperate mess. He’s a loser, because his message doesn’t ring true. The same would be true with any other future nutter, Christian or other, that tries to run for any kind of political office. Many generations of living in a free society may make them less of a threat.
Jose Longoria Jr.
BOO!!!
Kieran
Don’t gay Representatives in Congress understand that being an LGBTQHIXYZ mean you give up your right to vote independently? As a member in good standing of the LGBTQHIJKUVW community you MUST vote according to Politically Correct Orthodoxy. Otherwise you must hand in your officially stamped gay card.
Kieran
PS Why can’t all gay men look like Sean Patrick Maloney?
Michael Jarboe
Why does it matter that they are gay? Because we constantly also fight against baseless discrimination and fear based intolerance. Pushed by reactionary groups useless disgusting tactics to manipulate.
That’s why.
BJ McFrisky
Look at it this way:
You have a bag of M&Ms, but 5 of them are poisonous and will kill you if eaten. So, do you grab a handful and chow down, taking your chances, or do you reject the bag altogether?
See how easy that was?
Saving lives should always trump political correctness.
1EqualityUSA
Every ethnic group that has made it to our shores put up with hatred. There’s nothing new under the sun.
Alistair Wiseman
Wow! The nerve of some Americans to deny Muslim girls and women their right to have a clitoridectomy done here in America. Apparently, the idea of female genital mutilation done in a safe, clean environment paid for by the American taxpayer is offensive to some. What kind of ‘Welcome to America’ is that with the risk of infection and bleeding to death? Talk about your war on women.
One thing I’m uncertain on: Do they yell “Allah Akbar” during the cutting and bleeding? I’m not sure about that…maybe that is optional.
Pictures attached:
http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/somalia/fmgpictures.htm
Christopher-Aaron Paul Francis Felker
GLBT community has xenophobic bigots too
aliengod
They’re supporting the bill because it’s the right thing to do to protect Americans, which should be their top priority. There are a few foolish comments above saying that terrorists wouldn’t disguise themselves as refugees to get into the country. Are you that dull? Did you not see what just happened in France? These radical Islamists will use any method possible to infiltrate this country and kill us. Wake up!
sportsguy1983
Apparently he didn’t get the memo that says that you must always vote along stringent party lines and never by your conscious.
dougrobnyc
I am truly so disappointed with Congressman Sean Patrick Maloney. Shame on him for voting with the Republicans on this hateful bill. I now question should he even be in congress. Shame, Shame, Shame!!1
James Lanigan
#uncletoms
Franklin
@Alistair Wiseman: That’s Somalia not Syria.
Craig Rittenhouse
My question… who are all of these idiots following and posting comments on Queerty?
Franklin
There’s always been so much cognitive dissonance is this country since it’s inception. We espouse these lofty ideals and values only to repeatedly abandon them when they are truly tested.
Giancarlo85
My cell phone kept autocorrecting “Vitter” to “Bitter” that was hilarious. I guess it fits. Vitter is the archetype of the republican party. He is what the republican party stands for and what they are all about. The gay republicans/conservatives/libertarians (all the same crap) on here can deny it all they want, but they live in denial and shame.
@Alistair Wiseman:
http://www.voanews.com/content/somalia-to-ban-female-genital-mutilation/2934484.html
Well the new government which is still fragile is still trying to ban the practice. I do hope the law is enforced.
By the way… here is an interesting fact. Female gential mutilation also occurs in Christian countries that the republican party has ties with. It’s very common in Ethiopia, Liberia, and to a lesser degree in Kenya.
@BJ McFrisky: That’s great logic. So just send these refugees (who can be screened effectively) back to their deaths? Awesome fucking logic. Do you realize many of the refugees are actually of the Syrian Christian minorities? And also are Yazidis (subset of Kurds)? Many Yazidis make up the refugees because the Yazidis have been targeted and murdered in Syria and Iraq.
Alistair Wiseman
Poor thing. It went right over your head, didn’t it?
The sad truth is: female genital mutilation is performed all around the world wherever Muslims are present.
Shane Bernesser
Why does their sexuality matter that’s two entirely different stories
Prinny
Probably cause they learned their lesson 14 years ago.
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: Except it occurs in almost exclusively Christian countries too. Dumbass.
Hussain-TheCanadian
Im not sure why is there an inbuilt assumption that the Syrian/Iraqi refugees will be homophobs; I wouldn’t think they would give two cents about us – these people are fleeing violence and hunger – so some of you need to get a grip.
So the people of the land of the “strong and free” are afraid of 10,000 people?
Not to mention that the American people owe a debt to the Iraq people in particular.
@Alistair Wiseman: That is factually incorrect Alistair.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Giancarlo85: It seems like a central African cultural issue.
Giancarlo85
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Notice how these clowns think it is just so easy for these guys to come… no… there are significant screening processes, especially now.
People could more easily get in on a travel visa.
Richard Bradford
Proving they have a brain.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Giancarlo85: Yes I notice alot of fear and paranoia; its as if the borders will be open with no screening process of any kind.
I have yet to see one American politician banning or taken on the 50 different militias within the united states, should not the American people be afraid of them?
Alistair Wiseman
@Hussain-TheCanadian:
Factually incorrect? Well, in in my defense, I did say I wasn’t sure if they yelled, “Allah Akbar” while they were cutting and mutilating infants, girls and women.
But as Queerty’s unofficial Muslim apologist, I’m sure you will tell me what you wish to be true.
Speaking of factually incorrect, so were your numbers on radical Islam. I gave you a rebuttal which you failed to respond to.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Alistair Wiseman: I didn’t realize you answered me on that thread – i’ll reply shortly; it does show you know how to use Wikipedia – Why not move over to the female mutilation section and see for yourself that its a central African problem, not really a Muslim problem.
Alistair Wiseman
@Franklin:
My above response was specifically to you (repeated below) in which you stated, “That’s Somalia not Syria”.
My response to you, “Poor thing. It went right over your head, didn’t it?
The sad truth is: female genital mutilation is performed all around the world wherever Muslims are present.”
However, if you had actually opened my link, you would see in the first sentence in which a child is being mutilated, it states, “Practiced in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Oman, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Djibouti, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, amongst others, FGM is carried out with knives, scissors, scalpels, pieces of glass or razor blades. The mutilation is usually done without anesthetics. Instruments are usually not sterile. Mortality is high.” It clearly states Syria.
As if the pictures would be different of Muslims mutilating infants, children or women whether the barbaric procedure happened in Somalia or Syria.
1EqualityUSA
Alistair Wiseman, If I had to be stuck on an island with either you or Hussain-TheCanadian, he would be my island mate. You just spit out what your c0ck bros tell you to spit out. You are a mormon, straight, white male oozing his way around our queer site for your own fu__ked up agenda. Republicans are such hate mongers!
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: You just rely on strawman and red herring arguments. I’d rather be on an island with Kurds and Hussain-TheCanadian. I would rather be thrown into a pool with great white sharks than be stuck on an island with republicans.
@Alistair Wiseman: And female mutilation is practiced in Christian coutnries too.
Alistair is one demented screwed up person and his republican party pushes anti-gay bills.
CWM85
Since when has syria been a supporter of gay rights? This has nothing to do with his sexuality… the way most blacks feel gay rights has nothing to do with there former struggle back in the day. He’s allowed to vote the way he best felt and was gracious enough to reply back to this sleazy smut site. There simply needs to be a pause right now. There is no database to track who is here… even FBI director said there are holes in the vetting process. The President seems to be in denial and very stubborn and lost on this issue. He seems more concerned about syria than America. We have thousands of vets that need to be housed. The middle east needs to step out. There are 18 countries in middle that share these people language, culture, religion etc…
Gothrykke
Still waiting for my other comment to be reviewed. Either accept it or delete it!
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: You really are deeply ignorant of reality and the facts. Your statements about refugees are ridiculous. And thanks for showing your true colors. We all know who you will vote for… A republican. Your attack on Obama is total unsupported BS.
Giancarlo85
BTW, If you are so concerned about veterans why don’t you criticize republicans for cutting the VA budget so many times? Of course you won’t. You have a clear agenda to bash Obama on an issue you have no clue about.
AndYouWillDeal
@Giancarlo85: In cases like this it’s best to be conservative instead of “progressive” and “liberal”, who are the kinds of people who have turned a generation into PTSD jittery messes whenever they are “triggered” by opinions contrary to theirs, needing safe spaces where their bullshit isn’t questioned, and more concerned with apologizing and justifying Muslim terrorism than keeping USA safe for its people.
1EqualityUSA
They emit odors when they’re pant-shitting. Obsolete torch n twang.
alphacentauri
Because they do not want any members of IS going here to the united states and killing people. The fact that they’re gay is insignificant.
Hussain-TheCanadian
1EqualityUSA and Giancarlo85 – You guys are so sweet!! Thank you – We as part of the gay community should be the most informed and the most compassionate – Injustice and bigotry must always be confronted with the cold-heart facts and truth. Love you all!!
Hussain-TheCanadian
@CWM85: Couple of points: Gay men and woman under the Assad Baathist regime were safe, had their bars, bath houses, and cafes.
Now ISIS is killing gay men thanks to the Unites states government, the Turks, the Saudis,
The Qataris, the Emaratis, the Jordanians, and the Israelis – They want to bring Assad down so badly they are financing and arming those nut-jobs, then we cry and complain when the snake bites the snake charmer.
CWM85
Giancarlo my comment was not directed towards you and again I have a right to my own opinion and majority of Americans think they should not be a pause until we have better screening. Even libs voted in the house to add extra layer of security. So your problem should be with your own party and not with comments. You’re like a pesky little fly. Go away you freaking taco queen…
captainburrito
With Syria being a warzone, how exactly can you screen them with any confidence?
Usually after events like these, public opinion tends to harden against immigration of associated groups. I imagine Democrats might face tough re-election in some seats without voting for this.
1EqualityUSA
Don’t you love vietnamese food?
Giancarlo85
@Hussain-TheCanadian: The US is finally acknowledging they have to deal with Assad. I think what the US tried to do is finance the antiISIL antiAssad opposition… But those groups are very weak and weapons ended up in the hands of ISIL. It was a major miscalculation. The only group we should give weapons to are the Kurds, who are highly secular and have proved to be the most potent force against ISIL. Turkey will complain but who cares. Germany is funneling light weaponry to the Kurds but that isn’t enough.
@CWM85: I never said I was against screening refugees. If you guys think you can stop them from coming you are delusional. Check out the coastline of this country… You can’t secure every inch. So it is best to bring them in, document and investigate in the best manner and keep an eye on them if necessary.
Wooly
Good for him. Why should his sexuality have anything to do withit?
winemaker
THIS BULLSHIT OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE IN SYRIAN REFUGEES IS A CROCK. WE HAVE SO MANY POOR, HOMELESS AND UNEMPLOYED HERE IN THE USA AND A GROWING ILLEGAL ALIEN PROBLEM, ONE THAT COSTS THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR, AND THE IDIOT LIBERALS WANT TO ADD TO THE BURDEN. WE CAN’T TAKE OF OUR OWN US CITIZENS AND THEY WANT TO BRING IN MORE WELFARE RECIPIENTS, NOT IF I CAN HELP IT. COME ON FOLKS, GET SMART ONCE AMD FOR ALL AND GET RID OF THESE THIEVING WORTHLESS LIBERALS WHO GIVE US NOTHING BUT LIP SERVICE, COLLECT BIG PAYCHECKS AND LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. SINCE WHEN IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THE THIRD WORLD? HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHO’VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS GIVEAWAY BULLSHIT WILL GET SMART, AND FINALLY GIVE THESE LIBERALS THE BOOT. BY THE WAY, THOSE THAT ARE GUNG HO TO BRING THEM IN, LET THEM PAY THEIR EXPENSES AND LET THEM LIVE WITH THEM BECAUSE I ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER AMERICANS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS DISGRACEFUL GIVEAWAY
Alistair Wiseman
@Hussain-TheCanadian:
You stated, “Why not move over to the female mutilation section and see for yourself that its a central African problem, not really a Muslim problem.”
You have no shame when it comes to deception. So it’s an African problem? Not a Muslim problem?
Well, what are the Muslim populations of these central African problem countries?
Egypt – 90% Muslim
Somalia – 99.8% Muslim
Sudan – 97% Muslim
Guinea – 85% Muslim
Mali – 90% Muslim
Shall I continue?
It is not that they are in central Africa, it is that they are Muslim. As I stated before, “The sad truth is: female genital mutilation is performed all around the world wherever Muslims are present.”
Tyler
Maybe because muslims are extremely homophobic. Why should someone who’s gay have to automatically support someone who believes he deserves the death penalty?
Giancarlo85
@winemaker: Your cap locks key is broken. Typing in all caps won’t suddenly make your argument more valid. You are one hateful vindictive fool who doesn’t realize how badly screwed you are by voting for republicans. I will pass you the tissue box when Hillary takes the oath of office, because none of your idiot candidates have a shot at her. She will eviscerate and demolish any republican nominee in a debate. They can’t touch her in eleven hours of bullshit, and will fail miserably in an hour.
You are what is wrong with this country. By the way, the Louisiana governors race is a foreshadowing that people aren’t buying into the anti immigrant argument. Vitter tried everything to use this topic, but even people in that Southern state didn’t believe it. They voted for Edwards, who republicans accused of supporting the refugees.
By the way, if you even had half of a brain you would be complaining about how republicans waste tax payers dollars on grandiose military and state projects. But you are just a delusional drone. You do as you are told.
@Alistair Wiseman: Except it occurs in Christian African countries too, thus debunking your argument that only Muslims do it.
1EqualityUSA
whine-maker, how ignorant that you assume that the refugees will be on welfare. I suppose people said similar things when my grandfather came from Greece at the age of 17. It turned out to be the opposite, as he hired many.
Dehumanizing others, is there nothing new under the sun? Part of the beauty of this country is that people bring what’s best from their culture and try to make it work. It’s called survival. What happens when a country has multiple cultures all putting their best foot forward? Ideas, fusion, and practical motive. Music, food, art, and a realization that the “other” is not so different after all, which then creates a culture that thrives. You really need to get out more. Go get some Japanese food, Thai, or vietnamese and explore the “other.” Stop living life being a whine-maker and a pants-shitter. So your life didn’t work out for you in the vineyard? Stop blaming the “other” for your own frustrated, pathetic life.
Alistair, I do not know why I expected more of you. True colors.
1EqualityUSA
oh, could Maggie Gallagher be Alistair Wiseman? ew, bile is bitter.
Stache
@winemaker: It is ridiculous. Especially, since most aren’t even coming from war torn countries but using them to get access.
The UNHCR report revealed that only half of the “war refugees” are coming from actual war zones. According to the UN figures, 50% of registered “Mediterranean sea arrivals” come from Syria, 13% from Afghanistan, 8% from Eritrea, 4% from Nigeria, 3% from Somalia, 3% from Pakistan, 3% from Iraq, 2% from Sudan, 1% from Gambia, and 1% from Bangladesh.
CWM85
I think the middle east with its 18 countries should step up more. They have more in common with syrian people and closer to their country. They have the language, customs, religion etc in common. America does enough aide already. We need to focus more at home our own issues. Glad to see bipartisan support and American majority against this. After we defeat Isis then take more in…
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Alistair Wiseman: I’m really speechless; I don’t know if this is a serious discussion or if you’re just trolling Alistair?
This is from the same Wikipedia page I told you to look up:
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Surveys have shown a widespread belief, particularly in Mali, Mauritania, Guinea and Egypt, that FGM is a religious requirement.[148] Gruenbaum has argued that practitioners may not distinguish between religion, tradition and chastity, making it difficult to interpret the data.[149] As part of UNFPA–UNICEF’s joint programme, 20,941 religious and traditional leaders made public declarations between 2008 and 2013 delinking their religions from the practice, and religious leaders issued 2,898 edicts against it.[150]
Although FGM’s origins in northeastern Africa are pre-Islamic, the practice became associated with Islam because of that religion’s focus on female chastity and seclusion.{{refn|group=n|Gerry Mackie, 1996: “FGM is pre-Islamic but was exaggerated by its intersection with the Islamic modesty code of family honor, female purity, virginity, chastity, fidelity, and seclusion.”[151] There is no mention of it in the Quran. It is praised in several hadith (sayings attributed to Muhammad) as noble but not required, along with advice that the milder forms are kinder to women.[n 19][153] In 2007 the Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research in Cairo ruled that FGM had “no basis in core Islamic law or any of its partial provisions.”[154][n 20]
FGM is also practised by animist groups, particularly in Guinea and Mali, and by Christians.[156] In Niger, for example, 55 percent of Christian women and girls have experienced FGM, compared with two percent of their Muslim counterparts.[157] There is no mention of FGM in the Bible, and Christian missionaries in Africa were among the first to object to it.[158] The only Jewish group known to have practised it are the Beta Israel of Ethiopia; Judaism requires male circumcision, but does not allow FGM.[159]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Religion
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Another thing to keep in mind, that other Muslim majority countries don’t have FGM at all, minus norther Iraq among the Kurds. So logically speaking, if it is a Muslim practice, it should be wide spread among ALL Muslims, it is not, and there shouldn’t be a single fatwa against it, yet we have thousands of fatwas against it.
You can easily google this stuff, and even look up detailed studies on this issue – this is not a conspiracy; I would think in the age of the internet, people can easily educate themselves from the primary sources IF they cared about the issue and not simply trolling.
1EqualityUSA
Hussain-TheCanadian, It’s not about facts, it’s about saying derogatory things and conjuring up negative images repeatedly in threads. They did the same thing with the word “impeached” in a Clinton thread. It’s the mormon way to try to influence others, long after they’ve moved on to other articles.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@1EqualityUSA: To be honest with you 1EqualityUSA, here in Canada, people like Alaistair would be considered unreasonable and people would generally ignore him – Even our conservatives are not like this, not the ones I know and have friendly debates and chats with.
God help you guys in the USA for having to deal with this insanity truly.
1EqualityUSA
They’ll disappear after 2016. It’s like a flea infestation. These queerty larvae tend to pop up every four years. Were you here when that mormon ran for President? oh, you know, the one that strapped his dog to the roof of the car until he blew diarrhea and vomited? The one that pulled over to a gas station, rinsed the dear animal off, and placed him back on the roof? The one that pinned the gay kid down with the help of cruel friends and cut the loner-kid’s long hair off? That guy. Start’s with an “R.” Obsolete man now.The ReBiblicans are freaked because they may not be able to load up the Supreme Court with more Opus Dei-laborers. All those missed opportunities to stack the political deck in the ReBiblicans’ favor may render the party obsolete. If big business retaliates, we all live smaller. It stings them in the end, as fewer products are purchased when a generation sees the value of living smaller. It like art and artists, even with zero funding, we still produce art. Young children dance, murals come together, and we write, carve, and carry on. Lightnin’ Hopkins made his first guitar out of a cigar box. He created a sound that produced his own bass. Music, art, creativity continues on unbridled. We’ll have to support infrastructure, lest greed will turn our country wild again. A little direction, some positive support, and freedom of thought will produce ideas that lead the pack. We are at a “Y” in the road. With the advent of computers, we can open up the throttle on creativity. Business may be done differently. Fear is the Republican way. They turn on the “other” as fear-biters do. They are not to be trusted. Integrity doesn’t need to bite. Republicans have a smell, fetid and most foul. The words they produce are unpleasant. Necrotic tissue in an ill-fitting suit. It’s the bad taste they leave in our mouths. That’s the first clue. Republicans are like cramps. They go away eventually, and it is welcomed.
1EqualityUSA
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/muslim-marine-asks-trump-wheres-your-id-571296323970
Tayyib Rashid, a U.S. marine, is what I am talking about. This is what is possible in this country. (Alistair)
Vartan X.
Maybe they don’t want more homophobes in this country?