Note: Per GLAAD, this article uses the name and pronouns Jenner prefers at time of publication. Actually, this article uses no gendered pronouns to demonstrate how easy it is.
This needs to be said first: Anyone who discussed Jenner’s possible transition in the media for any reason before April 24, 2015 is part of the problem. That includes trans people. The “teaching moment” could wait, the scolding of the press could wait. The mocking or slamming of Jenner for how this transition is unfolding on TV could wait. That was all just feeding the trolls, and the trans people doing it were essentially engaging in self-promotion. But now that we have an announcement, let the games begin!
This needs to be said second: Coming out as gay, lesbian, or bi can certainly be stressful and challenging, but transgender people face an extra layer of challenges because we often change our appearance, name and other fundamental ways we interact with others. If a trans person enjoyed any amount of pre-transition notability, the process is even more difficult. Arguably, no one as famous as Jenner has ever announced a gender transition, so there’s intense scrutiny not only from the press, but from the trans community concerned about what effects the announcement and upcoming reality show might have. Any trans people who think they can second-guess what Jenner should or shouldn’t do based on their own transitions under far less famous circumstances don’t know what they’re talking about.
How famous is Jenner? Since we live in a society where our collective memory ends at page two of TMZ, and because I was nine years old in 1976, let me try to explain the significance of Jenner for those who aren’t sports fans or ladies of a certain age. America’s bicentennial was an orgiastic celebration of all things America, and it felt needed. We’d just come out of Vietnam. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon for Watergate and was bumbling through the rest of Nixon’s term. Inflation was spiraling out of control, and gay rights was in that hedonistic sweet spot between being de-listed as a mental illness and the onset of the AIDS epidemic.
Jenner became America personified after winning the decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. It’s hard to overstate how that win restored pride in our country that everyone could rally around. Here’s this clean-cut, charismatic, yet humble superstar athlete who embodied everything we wanted to be as a nation.
Jenner’s ascent as a media celebrity came quickly after. Perhaps my favorite was this fabulous turn in the Village People schlockfest Can’t Stop the Music:
However, the late 1970s also ushered in a massive political backlash against transgender people, driven in no small part by the transition of ophthalmologist-turned professional tennis player Reneé Richards. By the time Ronald Reagan’s 1980s were underway, the gay community was in crisis mode, and trans people found it harder and harder to get health services.
Jenner is part of what I call the Lost Trans Generation: those who had to endure regressive “gender clinics” that tried to control access to trans health services. These clinics turned away most applicants; the most regressive of these was in Toronto, now called the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health. They turned away up to 90 percent of all applicants, allowing them to select for the types they wanted to serve. An entire generation suffered in silence because they lacked the acceptance and resources. Most people who transitioned in the 60s through the 80s disappeared after transition, going “stealth” rather than dealing with the nonsense that out trans people had to endure.
It wasn’t until the dawn of USENET and later the world wide web that trans people were able to regroup and begin the arduous road toward the level of acceptance we enjoy today. We currently live in an internet bubble of transitions which will not happen again. It’s very similar to the coming out bubble that happened with gays and lesbians earlier. Gay, lesbian, and bi people now routinely come out in middle school or high school, where the median age for transition is still probably somewhere around age 40. That will drop precipitously from here out, but for now we will see more and more folks who put off transition and coming out until it was a little more safe and acceptable.
Trans people have every reason to worry about safety and acceptance, especially famous trans people. The media has a terrible track record with speculating on the transition status of notable figures, and then putting them through the wringer once they transition. They gleefully speculated on Chelsea Manning as the legal case moved to trial, and they continue to use Manning’s transition to score political points. Other lowlights include when Vanity Fair contributor Steve Garbarino badgered The Deer Hunter director Michael Cimino about transition rumors in 2000:
I tell him I have heard that many transsexuals regret it or simply go mad… I say to Cimino, “So you aren’t a pre-op transsexual?” He puts his hands up in disbelief and smiles a rare smile, as if to say, “What did I just tell you?”
Then came the disgraceful 2006 Rolling Stone piece by contributor Peter Wilkinson, speculating on The Matrix co-director Lana Wachowski and publishing rumors so lurid and defamatory that Rolling Stone has sent the piece down the internet memory hole, unavailable on their site.
It’s a pattern familiar to anyone who followed the Jenner speculation this year. The feeding frenzy in the Jenner case was just as repugnant. Everyone was waiting for the one publication willing to cross the line, and when In Touch obliged with their PhotoShopped cover, that was the flimsy excuse everyone else needed to start openly speculating about Jenner. They could claim they were writing about the cover, but they were in fact using that as an excuse to badger everyone who knows Jenner, and even those who don’t, with questions about the rumors behind the cover. All those scumbags should give In Touch a cut of their ad revenue, since they’re all part of the same parasitic swarm.
Each trans person who was a public figure before transition has chipped away at the monolithic idea of what it means to be trans. Entertainers and authors like Chaz Bono, actors like Alexis Arquette, and musicians like Wendy Carlos or Laura Jane Grace have each done a remarkable job of transitioning in the public eye. It’s Jenner’s transition, and we need to respect that. Many people who recently transition and find themselves in the spotlight quickly run afoul of the community because they say or do the “wrong” thing. While it’s true that a public transition carries a certain weight and responsibility, no one is obligated to toe the trans community’s company line on what they can or cannot say. Jenner is in an interesting situation where money and fans are not really an issue, so I imagine we are going to hear some refreshingly candid things that many of us wouldn’t dare to say because of the possible political or financial consequences.
I personally feel the most interesting thing about Jenner’s announcement is that it confirmed the longstanding speculation that our newest trans celebrity is a conservative Republican. Kim Kardashian had outed both parents as such at the 2012 White House Correspondents’ Dinner, but we’d never heard it directly from Jenner until the Diane Sawyer interview.
When gay and lesbian people began coming out as Republicans or conservatives, it was a sign that we had reached a new level of mainstream acceptance. I am delighted that we now have more and more out conservative transgender politicians and celebrities, even if I don’t agree with many of their positions. Pretty much any extended family has a mix of political beliefs and parties, and we need to learn to find common ground regardless of our differences.
Is this media frenzy a good thing or a bad thing? Mostly good, I think. No one person is going to make or break a movement this big. Whatever happens, I didn’t think I could ever be more proud of Jenner than I was when I was nine. I was wrong.
Andrea James is a writer, director, producer and activist based in Los Angeles.
ingyaom
I’m wondering why BJ came out as a trans-woman (who is attracted to women) and then said “I’m not gay”. Isn’t it time to come out as a lesbian, too?
TampaBayTed
He’s also come out as a conservative Republican. Go figure.
Cam
There are multiple problems with this article.
The first is the attack on anybody who speculated on Jenner prior to the Dianne Sawyer interview. So, the author is now pretending that Jenner and the Kardashian Family publicist were not feeding PR to the publications that they have deals with? That the interview with Sawyer wasn’t itself publicized by her own network prior to the interview?
Secondly, the author states. “When gay and lesbian people began coming out as Republicans or conservatives, it was a sign that we had reached a new level of mainstream acceptance. I am delighted that we now have more and more out conservative transgender politicians and celebrities, even if I don’t agree with many of their positions.”
No, it USED to be a sign that we had reached mainstream acceptance back when neither party was doing anything for us, and the main difference between the two parties was environmental, abortion, and in small ways, the economy.
SINCE that time, the Democrats have moved and been pushed to make full acceptance of LGBT’s a party platform, they have pushed for the revocation of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, called for the end to DOMA, and a democratic administration made changes to how gay employees are treated by the Federal govt. Lastly, democrat legislatures have pushed pro-gay bills through in their states, and Democratic governors lead the way in refusing to defend their states anti-gay laws.
At the same time the GOP has declared all out war on LGBT’s, and as far as trans people go, have even fought to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to use bathrooms in public and shouldn’t be teaching, much less have any job protections.
So when this author claims this is a good thing, and talks about their “Different Positions”, she is regressing back in time 2 decades, however claiming that having a Transgender woman currently transitioning coming out as a full supporter of a party that would strip all of her rights away, prevent her from having a job, and outlaw pretty much any chance for a normal life, it isn’t a good thing, it is a sickening example of how out of touch the wealthy are in the U.S.
Bruce Jenner is going through this major transitioning in life, and yet is so out of touch with reality because of his wealth that it never occurs to him that if the party he supports had complete control he could be tossed in jail just for trying to live life publicly.
tricky ricky
to me a man having a sex change to become a bull dyke lesbian makes no sense.
tricky ricky
@ingyaom: he has to reassure his republican friends he’s still all about the pussy.
Prinny
What a loser Jenner is.
Celtic
Frankly, I believe the media can find more interesting topics to celebrate than Jenner’s sex change. I could care less before. I can care less now. If Jenner is the only newsworthy person in the U.S. today, then we have indeed fallen to a new low. He is nothing to celebrate — at any level.
MarionPaige
Jenner did not make a good impression in his interview. He looked like he was on medication a la Anna Nicole Smith
SteveDenver
Perhaps the Jenner TG Circus — complete with reality TV show — will further the normalization of the topic so people aren’t shocked or confused. Now the job will be to disseminate correct information, which has been ongoing for issues pertaining to other emerging minority groups: Women, Blacks, Immigrants, Gays, Differently-Abled. All groups suffer misinformation, as well as twisted info deliberately disseminated by those who are stupid and cranky.
Perhaps it is also time for many TG people who have handled difficulties through tantrum or scolding to develop thicker skin. The Jenner-Kardashian machine thrives on attention. This situation won’t be different.
Clark35
Jenner claims he/she isn’t gay or lesbian but is a woman and is sexually attracted to women so she is lesbian then. Bruce Jenner and his/her family are everything that’s wrong with the United States now. I don’t mean because he/she is trans but because of reality TV, and what they were like even before their silly reality TV show.
enlightenone
From where I sit, given the content of the Diane Sawyer interview, it already has “tarnished…”
Teej70
@Cam: Very well stated. Agree 100%.
Alan down in Florida
@tricky ricky: As long as it makes sense to his personal truth it doesn’t need to make any sense to you. She is not living her life to satisfy your understanding.
onthemark
All this talk about Republican transfolk makes me wonder: Does anybody else think Ted Cruz is trans? He has that vaguely female-hormone look to his face. And he’s a “high talker”; his voice is higher than Bruce Jenner’s is!
hex0
Transgender has nothing to do with being gay, f@ck him
More gender non-conforming gays/lesbians will be pathologised as “transgender” like in Iran. Do not support these doctors and therapists.
myloginname
@Alan down in Florida I agree with you. Lots of harsh things being said about Jenner here. I am really proud of Bruce. He has been through an amazing time in purgatory. Bruce is now free and I can’t wait to see her soar. Any (all) of you that are carrying baggage even lighter than Bruce’s stop and consider for a moment how it would feel to finally put it down and move past how that baggage has harmed you and others and have a clean start how liberating that would be. That is where Bruce is now. Bruce has ran a race and he is about to start another and I know she’ll win.
hydeparkantiques
he has a hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeee awakening coming his way. and to THINK the Republican party is going to help HIM with his agenda? I wish he had talked to a trans gender organization to help him with his comments and views. i have never been a FAN of him or the K CULT group. i see a large percentage of negative gay comments all over the blogs………….he doesnt know because of his finacial status/ entertainment contacts…….that he wont know the feeling of people rejecting him/family members/or employers or people on the street like most trans people. He is not a common usual trans……….he has no clue what they go through in LIFE. I hope he proves me wrong. randy
Teej70
@hex0: In practice, the opposite is true. My doctor at a gender clinic in Vancouver treated me, for the better part of a year and a half, as a gay man who was ashamed of being a gay man, rather than a trans woman. Literally as if I did not know who and what I was, as an adult who should have had agency. I had to fire him and go to an independent psychologist to get a hormone assessment done, and then get that prescription filled by a doctor not associated with that clinic, in order to start my transition.
It was infuriating, and remains infuriating how many hoops trans people have to jump through to convince their cis gatekeepers that they really are trans.
polarisfashion
I find it odd that any LGBTQ person would say that they were a Republican. That party has done nothing good for the LGBTQ community. They still don’t want us to have marriage equality, let alone the right to not be discriminated against at the work place or when we want to do business. Please wake up and leave the party of I don’t give a rat’s butt about anyone who isn’t a rich white straight guy.
paladin27
I see a lot of ignorance and hate from people who claim to be so tolerant, or seek tolerance from others. People of the left are looking more and more like Nazi everyday. Because Jenner believes in the constitution, freedom, and small government he’s evil now? He’s wrong? He’s something to be hated? You people talk a lot about diversity, but have a problem when around people truly diverse.
You’re so quick to assume because someone may be a Republican, or Conservative- believing in small gov, and the constitution- that they hate gays, women or blacks. You don’t see people as individuals, people of free thought, or will. If you’re gay, black, Hispanic, transgender, or a female- then you have to think, act, and vote like this, and if you don’t- then you’re bad… This is why the Democratic/left remind me of fascist.
The other interesting thing, about the hateful thoughts of those on the left.. If Republicans, and Conservatives are supposed to be soooooo anti-gay, sooo anti-woman, or Hispanic, or black. Why is it that whenever there is a black, Hispanic, gay, female ect- who is a Republican/Conservative- they get trashed by the left? The left will call them racist things, anti-gay things, misogynistic things, and its all ok because they’re not “politically correct”. That word politically correct mind you is an old Communist, and Fascist term. It was put upon those who did not behave, or agree with the ideology in power- so they had to be “politically corrected”.
Cam
@Alan down in Florida: said…. “@tricky ricky: As long as it makes sense to his personal truth it doesn’t need to make any sense to you. She is not living her life to satisfy your understanding.”
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However, when she is a famous celebrity, on TV, and with huge financial resourses, what she says DOES matter, and ricky has every right to be concerned about the impression it leaves.
If Bruce didn’t want people to listen, or form opinions, then Bruce didn’t have to spend the last 6 months having the Kardashian P.R. machine jin up interest in this interview and in the accompanying reality show.
DuMaurier
I frankly found it hard to concentrate on the article’s points, since I couldn’t help looking to see if the author would slip up on that “no gendered pronouns” rule, or be forced into tortured sentences to maintain it, as in, “When Jenner said Jenner was transitioning, Sawyer asked Jenner how Jenner’s family were reacting to Jenner’s…”, etc. I admit it was actually done pretty well, although perhaps at the cost of sounding a little painstaking and impersonal.
And Cam, although I always appreciate your input, you said there were “multiple” problems with the article, yet I counted only two, and with the the second–the author celebrating Jenner being a Republican–I thought your reaction a little extreme and questionable as well. In the short-term, a transgender (or gay or bisexual) celebrity “coming out” as conservative may seem pointless or even counter-productive, but with polling showing a divergence between the party leadership and the rank-and-file (especially younger party members) on these issues, I think in the end it’ll prove to be a net plus.
paladin27
@polarisfashion: News flash, the Democrats don’t give a crap about you either.. Except when they need your vote. Best example of that is the black community. Look how destroyed, and dead black districts look. Yet they are constantly told Republicans hate them, don’t vote for them, vote for us, we will give you, this that and this. Almost 100 years have past since blacks have once again become slaves under the Democratic party- and the community looks a mess still and getting worse. There are more and more black Americans who are seeing this, and speaking out against it now- and turning away from the Democratic party.
If you truly want the freedom to marry and all, you need to get behind classic Republicans aka Libertarians, aka true liberals. They believe the government shouldn’t even be involved in the marriage business, because they know the government wasn’t always involved in that, then became so, when people wanted to keep blacks and whites from marrying.
The Democratic party which are pretty much leftist- and many within the Republican party, also leftist- don’t give a damn about anyone but power, and controlling people.
Chris
In terms of visibility, Jenner’s coming out is huge. Prior popular images of trans people were based on media portrayals of Christine Jorgensen and Renee Richards. For all of Jenner’s human flaws and frailties (and they are many), here is someone who was an all-American sports icon and whose Olympics accomplishment was stunning. Say what you will, I predict that this case will go a long ways towards changing — for the better — how trans people are viewed and portrayed.
And while we’re at it, for all his flaws, may the end of her journey be one in which she can find happiness and contentment.
OzJosh
At least one mystery has been solved: Jenner’s decision to transition finally explains that crop top in Can’t Stop The Music.
DarSco
SOOOO….. is she gonna get a vajayjay?
Tommy25
@ingyaom: When he said he wasn’t gay, I think he was referring to his prior life as a man since he hasn’t fully transitioned yet, meaning that he’s not attracted to other men.
Maybe people find it a little hard to comprehend because the majority of trans women that I know before they made their transition they identified as gay men attracted to other men, and then became hetrosexual women. But there’s an exception to every generalization.
Giancarlo85
@paladin27: You live in baloney land. I’m sorry, but your post is a bunch of hog wash. Anyone with a sound mind would realize the democratic party is RIGHT OF CENTER. They are NOT a leftist party, and never have been. The last real leftist party died out with the death of Eugene V. Debs in 1926. Yes, the last real leftist that had any sway at all was Debs. And he was imprisoned by this country simply for voicing his views.
The republican party is detrimental to this entire country. They espouse viewpoints that are financially and domestically dangerous. They have gutted the Frank & Dodd rules on financial regulation, which has given an upper hand to Wall Street. The republican party is completely extremist in nature.
“There are more and more black Americans who are seeing this, and speaking out against it now- and turning away from the Democratic party.”
No they aren’t. Stop making things up that aren’t happening.
“If you truly want the freedom to marry and all, you need to get behind classic Republicans aka Libertarians, aka true liberals.”
Completely WRONG. Libertarians are not about true freedom. They are sell-outs to corporations and wolves in sheeps clothing. They would sell this country out to big business before they look out for the interests of the individual. They want to destroy what little collective spirit still exists in this country, continuing on the Reagan era of union destroying and busting.
Libertarians are about empowering the rich even further to make America look more like El Salvador, where 3% of the country controls 97% of the wealth. Libertarians claim they are for social liberalism, but this is often not the case and many of them are against same sex marriage (including Rand Paul who is strongly against same sex marriage).
“because they know the government wasn’t always involved in that, then became so, when people wanted to keep blacks and whites from marrying.”
The government have been involved in marriage for centuries, but keep peddling those lies. And even prior to real government involvement, marriage was used for political purposes to obtain power and join families.
“The Democratic party which are pretty much leftist- and many within the Republican party, also leftist- don’t give a damn about anyone but power, and controlling people.”
If you think anyone in the Democratic Party, let alone republican party, are leftist… you are an extremist. You are totally and completely wrong. Take the Green Party in Germany. They are true leftists. Not the democratic party. The Christian Democrats in Germany are more left wing than the democrat party, and they are considered conservatives in Germany.
Keep peddling the lies though…
wagnerwallace
@paladin27: Thank you! I agree with you 100%, but you’ll never win debating with a Democrat. They tend to take everything at face value, and align their views with whatever their favorite celebrity thinks…
darian
@paladin27: Couple things wrong with your fox news flash 1. To insinuate that black people only vote Democrat is because we are told to do and calling us slaves again is quite frankly insulting to our intelligence and or culture, no my friend majority of us vote Democrat because of what we are being shown. And that is majority of Republicans and “libertarians” still believe the lies being told during Ronald Reagan’s southern strategy speeches and hold not only our lives but opinions with nothing but contempt.
2. All black people who live in destroyed and dead communities as you so put are fully aware of the situation they are in and they either do something about it or succumb to it. The ones who try and make changes in their lives quite often see the unnecessary challenges placed before them by Republican policies such as not raising the minimum wage or increasing student loans debts ect ect.
So there is a nice editorial for your fox news flash.
wagnerwallace
@darian: Key phrase: “majority of us vote Democrat because of what we are being shown…”
Turn off your television and open a book. Let me educated you a little bit on American history…
Who abolished slavery?
Who gave blacks the right to vote?
Who passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
What party did Hiram Rhodes Revel, the first black elected to the senate, belong to? The first black Democrat wasn’t even elected to the senate until 1999. Even to this day, 50% of all black senators have been Republican.
The first 22 blacks elected to the US House were all Republicans.
So PLEASE, turn off your television and pick up a book. It’s uneducated people like you who are ruining our country by running to the polls and blindly voting.
mgkbus
@darian: Thank You. Just thank you.
on the other hand, was the author intimating that I should feel something for Bruce Jenner? Really? What a media hog!
What the author really missed was the fact that BJ USED to be a celebrity in 1976. Since then he was eclipsed by many others and if it weren’t for a serious marriage mistake, we wouldn’t be talking about this at all. Hmmm.
darian
@wagnerwallace: People like me? You serious?
Do you honestly think the Republicans of today would pass/stand for any of that today? Especially if their big business bosses or magic sky daddy told them not to?
And while we are on the subject of America today have you talked to someone outside of your I’m sure quite small sphere of friends and asked problems facing many Americans today? Such as how hard it is for college graduates to find jobs, people with jobs to make ends meet, or get basic healthcare. See you want to boast about Republicans of yesterday. So yes educate me on how Republicans of today are solving the problems of today.
So before you tell me a gran goddamn thing maybe you should try living in today.
darian
@wagnerwallace: And another thing you want to talk about reading maybe you should read how that same party is being hijacked by racist neo confederate homophobic bible nuts before you try to glorify it to another black person.
darian
And another thing you want to talk about uneducated maybe you want to educate yourself on how that same party that once so much justice for minorities is being hijacked by R@ci$t neo confederate gay panicked sexist bible pushers before you try and glorify it to another gay black male.
stranded
It depends on how he treats his transition, and going by what he’s done so far, i feel he’s doing it right. He began transitioning and yes the media didn’t understand what he was doing. He seemed crazy, because he didn’t confirm what he was doing. So everyone treated him like crazy Bruce Jenner. Post Interview, i really don’t feel like the media will treat him like a joke. Now sleazy websites and magazines will invade his privacy to photograph him in a dress. The worst of the worst will probably comment on his attractiveness. What we, as a society have to do is not buy into it. Resist the media’s habit of making people into side show freaks. Let Bruce go through this and when he (she) decides reemerge. Then we should care again.
Giancarlo85
@wagnerwallace: Do you know anything about history? The Republicans of today are the democrats of the 1950s. They were called Dixiecrats. Learn your history, you ignoramus. George Wallace would be a proud strong Republican today.
By the way, who passed the civil rights act? LBJ. Not Nixon. You don’t even know your own history. You try to educate, but you end looking like an idiot.
Racheal McGonigal
I have watched it and believe it will do more good than harm. By along way.
Giancarlo85
@wagnerwallace: And you repeat fox news bullshit. By the way, I am not a Democrat or a Republican. I am a green and a real leftist. The democrats are right of center. Republicans are extremist revisionists, much like you.
The Republicans of today are more extreme than George Wallace and Joseph McCarthy combined. People like you Wagner make me sick. You lie about history, you distort and you post passive aggressive nonsense.
Clark35
@Teej70: I felt bad for you until you used the silly term ‘cis’.
VampDC
I highly dislike this article.
1. Bruce says he does not speak for the transgender community. So stop putting all this pressure on him. He’s ONE person living his life. He’s fascinating and courageous but in no way is trying to be the face of a moment.
2. He said he’s okay with male pronouns so why make a big stink about not using any.
Ken Overholt
The most shocking revelation, by far, was that he’s a Republican.
scotshot
@wagnerwallace: You should actually research before you cut/paste “information” from GOTP “history”. I had a good laugh at your display of superior intellect towards us.
DuchessOfMilton
@tricky ricky: Then you’re a complete and utter idiot, aren’t you?
wagnerwallace
@scotshot: I do my research, but Queerty has blocked my comments, so I can’t defend myself….
wagnerwallace
@Giancarlo85: You said the republicans of today were the democrats of the 1950s – way to hijack another party’s history and legacy.
Then you said George Wallace would be a republican today, but you praised LBJ, another Democrat, who held office the same time as him. How does that even make sense? Who were the Republicans of the 1950s (and this was the 60s btw)? I guess you pick and choose who you want on your team, but fortunately history and facts dont work that way. If they did, does that mean us Republicans get JFK??
The Civil Rights Act passed because of a Republican majority in the House and Senate. And it’s common knowledge LBJ was against it. He was urged by the civil rights leader of the time and because he wanted to solidify and secure his place in history.
Why don’t you google LBJ’s 200 years quote.
I initially made a few other points, but coincidentally Queerty is blocking my replies, so I’ll just leave it at that.
Eldred
@ingyaom: How am I the only one that understood that as Bruce saying “I am not a gay male. I am a Trans Woman.”
Merv
@wagnerwallace:
“The Civil Rights Act passed because of a Republican majority in the House and Senate.”
Yes and no. A higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted yes, but solid majorities of both parties voted to approve. If you look a little closer, it was really more of a North-South divide than a Democrat-Republican divide. Actually, higher percentages of Northern Democrats than Northern Republicans voted in favor, and higher percentages of Southern Democrats than Southern Republicans. The reason the overall Democratic vote was lower was because there were so many more Southern Democrats than Southern Republicans.
darian
@wagnerwallace: Again are you serious?
You really want to try to call someone out on hijacking a parties legacy? You don’t you instead worry about your party being hijacked.
If anything you have convinced me that your brain is stuck in the past especially if you honestly believe Republicans of yesterday are like Republicans of today.
You want to say people like me are ruining this country why don’t you instead educate yourself on what’s currently going on in this country.
@Merv: Very well put sir.
Jacob23
“Our golden transgender moment”? WTF is Andrea James talking about? There is no “our.” There is no “we.” I am not transgender. I don’t have transgender moments, golden or otherwise. I am gay. A gay man. Completely comfortable as a man and fully supportive of the gender binary. The fact that self-appointed activists grouped some letters together a few years ago doesn’t change reality. LGB and T are 2 different groups, and LGBT is a fraud.
Oh, and I think Bruce Jenner killed someone with his car. That might be worth a mention by Andrea James. That deceased person’s life mattered, even if he didn’t wear a dress and have odd pronoun preferences.
Realitycheck
How safe is for a 65 year old to do a sex change? Hormones therapy,
surgery etc…….
Last, I agree with other posters, it is truly sad that this “attention grabbing for money” family is commanding the attention of the media, when there are so
many seriously important issues and good stories to be told.
Rick Holtz
Yes! He’s nothing but a greedy fame whore w no relevance whatsoever to the trans men, women & kids that are toughing it out in the trenches.
Ron Parsons
Golden? It involves urine?
Giancarlo85
@wagnerwallace: Your view of history and American politics is farcical. And where did I say I praised LBJ? He had some good social views, and the Great Society was well intended. His foreign policy was a disaster. I actually like Kennedy more, but he too had his faults. The same applies towards Roosevelt. You need to learn how to differentiate between northern Democrats and dixiecrats. They are not the same.
You are a historical revisionist. I am not hijacking anything. I am stating the dirty facts over how filthy and corrupt the modern Republican party is. And it is no accident all the southern states are solidly Republican.
Both parties supported the civil rights act in majorities, and as said more Northern democrats supported it than Northern Republicans. So your point is completely void.
But why the refusal to look at the facts of the parties today? Do you realize most dixiecrats are now proud core Republicans now? Or did that just go pass your thick skull?
Giancarlo85
@Jacob23: LGBTQQI. Your brain can’t seem to wrap around that fact. You are not a spokesperson and you don’t represent anyone but yourself. You have no right to exclude entire groups of people out of the community. And as an androgynous gay man, I don’t give a fuck what some insecure closet case like you thinks. You always repeat the same crap.
jason smeds
Bruce Jenner is a straight-identifying guy who appears to have a fetish for lesbianism. It’s not an uncommon fetish for many straight-identifying guys. Bruce has simply taken it to the next level where he wants to appear as a woman in his daily life and in his relationships with other women.
Most lesbian fetishists are not truly gay-friendly. They come from another world altogether and rarely empathize with the rights of gay men. It’s interesting that Dianne Sawyer did not ask Bruce if he agreed with gay marriage. I would have loved to have heard his response.
Giancarlo85
@jason smeds: More fantasy and make believe from Jason smeds. He isn’t a lesbian fetishist. Do you just make up new terms as go along?
jason smeds
Notice how women are allowed to wear trousers but nobody calls them transgender. Men wear dresses and suddenly everybody is calling them transgender. The transgender double standard is just as bad as the bisexual double standard, another double standard which benefits women at the expense of men.
Giancarlo85
@jason smeds: Um what? Crossdressers are not generally transgendered. Every post you make is bashing on women. Did you just fall out of sky? How were you born? Lol. Your misogynist attitude just doesn’t carry any weight.
wagnerwallace
@scotshot @Merv @Giancarlo85 @darian: Like I said initially, you can’t debate with Democrats, because you guys constantly try to flip history and facts to fit your ideology.
You all refuse to even accept the simplest fact that the Civil Rights Act passed because of a Republican majority in the House and Senate. Instead you try to reduce it to a North vs South issue.
Darian says I’m living in the past, but I’m not, I’m simply stating why Republicans arent the party of racists (like you said earlier) by giving you historical facts, but it seems you don’t accept history. Being a Black American, I hope in the future you put more focus into learning the history of Blacks in this country, maybe then you’ll learn which party is actually the party of racists. How can you know where youre going if you dont know where youve been? And you clearly don’t know where you’ve been. But just to bring myself more current I guess, I actually do agree with Republicans on current issues – immigration, welfare, gun laws, etc.
And Gian, thanks for giving me the title “historical revisionist” – that gave me a nice little LOL to start the morning. You gave zero facts about what made the Republican party corrupt or filthy. You just attempted to simply and justify the Democrats shady past with dubious and naive theoretics.
But lets be honest, I’m on an ultra-Liberal gay blog. I’m not gonna win here. I’ve stated my points – I’m out.
wagnerwallace
It’s a shame that Queerty blocks any comments with opposing views or opinions. I could totally understand if what I was saying was hateful or harmful, but that wasn’t the case.
I think its time to find a new blog to follow.
Clark35
@Ron Parsons: LMAO!
hex0
@Giancarlo85: @Giancarlo85:
Look up autogynephilia
also: http://gendertrender.wordpress.om
hex0
@hex0:http://gendertrender.wordpress.com fixed link
hex0
@Jacob23: Agree, he was texting when he killed a REAL woman with his car.
Giancarlo85
@wagnerwallace: Um, well you’re posting a lot of right wing propaganda. It’s going to get blocked on most rational websites.
@hex0: You seem to love your myths.
hex0
@Giancarlo85: I’m guessing you haven’t seen Glen or Glenda but maybe Burton’s Ed Wood, that’s the sort of typical autogynephile for you.
Jenner is Republican thus anti-gay and the type to shriek eww at anything to do with us gays who think we’re fine loving other men the way we are; as men!
As course Jenner is attracted to women though so has zilch to do with us.
Giancarlo85
@hex0: I don’t care for Jenner. I even said that in this thread. And I don’t care for anti-gay gay closeted republicans either.
But trans people have everything to do with the community. By the way, I take it you hate bisexual people as they too are attracted to the opposite sex.
hex0
@Giancarlo85:
I don’t hate bisexuals??? What weird predictions of my views.
Jenner is a straight white male autogynephile. There’s no such thing as “transssexual” as you can’t change your sex, EVER!
It should be LGB just like it was before tr@rranies in the 90s hijacked it to mutate into “LGBT”. We have lost any solidarity pandering to tr@nnies.
hex0
Jenner has led an extremely PRIVILEGED life being rich and famous as a straight white male. Now he wants to pretend to be a woman, ok, but what does this have to to do with gays/lesbians!?
Giancarlo85
@hex0: I am not talking about Jenner. Don’t care for that person. And if I were to hit someone while texting, I’d be sitting on trial right now (as SHE should).
But you’re dead wrong on transsexual. You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. You are a dumb ass stuck in your own warped views.
darian
@wagnerwallace: And you’ve stated nothing to prove otherwise that the Republicans of today are anything remotely like the so called great Republicans of yesterday. In fact they seem to do everything in their power to be anything but especially by vetoing the voting rights act under the bullshit guise of ” their is no need for such an act because live in a party racial society”.
There’s no way in satan’s red hell you can tell me a black male anything about black history that I don’t live with every day of my life. As far as knowing were black Americans have been I know full well were we’ve been because of people who’ve been there and I look forward to wherever it is we are going because majority of us will never go back to where Republicans of today want to put us along with anyone who isn’t a Christian rich white male.
Conservative scumbags like yourself and other Log cabin sellouts come to these sure spew bullshit if some kind then bitch about losing an argument because Democrats don’t listen to reason and your rendition of facts when in reality we see the bullshit your selling and were not buying.
Yes please take please leave and take some of these trashy bitches with you maybe you idiots can start your own site and bitch there. God speed bitch
Merv
@wagnerwallace:
“Instead you try to reduce it to a North vs South issue.”
Nobody is trying to “reduce” it to a North-South issue. Anyone objectively looking at the facts can see it really was a North-South issue. Below are the statistics for the vote on the 1964 Civil Rights act. It really could not be any clearer. It will be interesting to see how you try to spin it.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_party_and_region
Jacob23
@Jason Smeds:
Good observation about the T (not the B). If you look at any definition of “transgender” you will see it described as an “umbrella term” which includes people who have unconventional gender expression. This means that the vast majority of so-called transgenders are actually run-of-the-mill straight people who are in some way unusual in some aspect of their gender expression. So straight women who wear flannel, straight married Republican men who wear pastels, or a straight Christian evangelical man who doesn’t like sports or who works in childcare – they are all transgender and they are part of the “LGBT community.” Anti-gay House Speaker John Boehner is transgender because he cries so frequently. Uber-antigay Dr. James Dobson is transgender because his voice is unconventionally effeminate, emotes frequently, and is not into sports.
If you believe in “LGBT” and if you believe that we are “one people” with every straight person who is unconventional in gender expression, then you need to accept that LGB is the tiny minority in LGBT. We had better start demanding that HRC and Lambda Legal stop working on gay equality and start working on behalf of unconventional straight people like James Dobson.
Giancarlo85
@wagnerwallace: You are the one living in fantasy. And I made it very clear for your pea sized brain. I am NOT a Democrat. Think outside your one dimensional thinking. Your take on history is laughable at best.
wpewen
I made snark comment about hiw Republican status somewhere and had it pulled-don’t care. I don’t give a damn about his sex choice but I did refer to him as a pig, a female pig. That the Republicans would probably outlaw his choice if they could.sn
Really, I’m happy for all the transexuals who are getting good stuff from this, but it doesn’t pertain at all to my homosexuality. I would really like to see separate categories at this point for all of us. Thirty years ago no, but this is so far from what I am as a man I don’t want to id with it, and I don’t pretend to understand it. Hope all goes well for everyone.