Paul Singer is one of the Republican party’s big donors, so his decision to desert Jeb Bush’s presidential campaign and throw his support to Marco Rubio is a big deal for two reasons. One, it’s yet another nail in the coffin of Bush’s moribund campaign. Two, it’s a big boost to Rubio and a sign that the Republican establishment views him as the legitimate candidate in a field of nutburgers.
What Singer’s decision doesn’t do is push the GOP to be more gay friendly. And that’s one of Singer’s main goals. As the father of a gay son, Singer is the force behind the American Unity Fund, a group of fat cats that want Republicans to enter the 21st century on the side of freedom and equality.
Which raises the question: How does Marco Rubio fit into that picture? Based on his history, not at all.
Rubio has a solid antigay record. As a Florida state representative, he opposed letting gay couples take in foster kids, because kids “shouldn’t be forced to be part of a social experiment.” He provided robocalls to the National Organization for Marriage condemning marriage equality.
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Rubio has been aggressively courting religious right figures and happily rubbing elbows with the likes of Kim Davis’s attorney, Mathew Staver. At the same time, Rubio has tried half-heartedly to stake out a “moderate” position on LGBTQ. He’s done so largely by acknowledging that we’re human but not quite as human as Christians.
Rubio has shown some, shall we say, ideological flexibility in the past. He was famously for immigration reform before turning against it. Perhaps Singer’s green will make Rubio more lavender.
Or perhaps Singer has such low expectations of the GOP that he’s smitten by Rubio’s rhetoric, even if the senator’s record flies in the face of his language.
Or maybe in the end, as important as gay issues are, financial issues are what matter most to Singer. As a hedge fund manager, Singer may be throwing his support behind the Republican candidate who is a) most likely to win and b) most likely to give hedge fund managers a bunch of tax breaks–or at least maintain the ones they already enjoy. While the jury is out on option A, Rubio’s economic plan fits snugly into option B.
Whatever the reason, Rubio is not the change agent that Singer purports to seek. He’s a younger version of the same old homophobia that has made Republicans a punch line for under-30 voters. Singer’s money will come in handy, of course. But already, Rubio is being labeled a sell-out by hardcore conservatives who hate Singer. Chief among them is NOM’s Brian Brown, for whom Rubio once taped those robocalls. Now Brown is threatening to run ads trashing Rubio as a traitor to the cause.
Rubio already has a problem with the base, who view him as untrustworthy because of his now-abandoned immigration stand. He could end up reviving that problem because of his association with Singer. All of which will make the primary season all that much more fun to watch.
Ronald Galena
Gay money, straight money, as long as it has a dollar sign in front of it, it’s for Rubio!
Bob Kellerman
Whiever direction this STREETWALKING WHORE is pulled is going to effect what he says
Brian
The funny thing about Rubio is that he talks like a queen.
John Malin
Marco “Rubber Duckie” Rubio floats along on any money thrown his way. Another disgusting example of Republican bag of dog poop!
Alexander R. Rodriguez
HOW is Rubio homophobic again??? ……….. …..
1EqualityUSA
He’ll make sure the Supreme court will never concern itself with equality for 40 years and on. #Feel the heartburn.
Luis H. Lopez
Wealthy gays and Jews tried to bribe Adolf Hitler it did not save them they still were murdered!
Cam
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: said…. “HOW is Rubio homophobic again???”
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Is this a joke? See, this is what is so disgusting about the Log Cabin Folks, they are more than happy to lie and do anything they can to cover up bigotry for any republican.
Rubio recorded robo-calls for NOM against gay rights and same sex marriage,
In 2013, Rubio opposed the Employment Non-Discrimination Act,
He even threatened to vote against his own immigration bill if it extended any rights to binational same-sex couples. “It kills the bill,” he said of a possible amendment seeking to protect LGBT immigrants. “I’m gone. I’m off it.”
Earlier this year, Rubio told Meet the Press and Fox News that businesses should be exempted from nondiscrimination requirements when serving gay and lesbian couples.
Among his other positions, Rubio opposed allowing LGBT parents to adopt children, calling parenting by them “a social experiment,” according to the Human Rights Campaign. Amid the congressional debate over ending the military policy known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a spokesperson for then-candidate Rubio said he “doesn’t see any reason for [DADT] to change,”
Funny how you Log Cabiners claim to like and know these candidates, but that all of that readily available information somehow just passed you by.
Stephen Meeks
Should Rubio become more pro-LGBT, it would be from the wallet, not the heart. If he got elected, that pro-LGBT stance would quickly disappear. None of the GOP “candidates” are a good choice for our community.
Kenneth L. Kish
He will pretend.
1EqualityUSA
thanks, cam, i didn’t have the energy.
Brian JC Kneeland
nothing will change a heart of stone!
Bob LaBlah
“Now Brown is threatening to run ads trashing Rubio as a traitor to the cause.”
The Cuban/American cartel of Miami don’t care for him either and are stopping dead short of saying they made a mistake in backing him. They do not like the way he keeps going on about “time to turn the page” because they no damn well he meant it is time to stop this ridiculous embargo against Cuba. The cartel (and that is all they are based on their antics since they grad their panties and fled Castro’s Cuba) is no different than Castro as far as “absolute rule” goes.
This guy (Rubio) has some serious trash in his closet. The way he deflected the questions about his finances and the “ok, but trust us, we ARE going to revisit this later on in the campaign” ( more or less) response from the panel led me to believe it involves money and some of the things he charged. He is setting himself up for a job after this is all over, but it isn’t the presidency.
BJ McFrisky
If Republicans are “a punch-line for under-30 voters,” then the Democrats and their candidates are likewise a punch-line for over-30 IQs.
Jason Peil
Buy a Republican. They don’t come cheap but they really are… cheap that is.
Bauhaus
@Cam:
Rubio’s rap sheet is impressive. The self-loathing runs deep. He and David Rivera (another scumbag right-wing conservative) bought a love nest together, which is now in foreclosure. Aw.
Kieran
The question is WHY would someone who is supposed to be against homophobia in the GOP give money to Marco Cruz, one of the most notorious homophobes in the GOP?
Giancarlo85
@BJ McFrisky: SWING AND MISS. The most educated vote democrat every time. This is why democrats basically have a lock on those with a undergraduate degree and above.
The republicans, and in particularly Marco Rubio is tied to Sheldon Adelson, who is a well known gangster… well they call him a c-a-sino mogul. But he has extensive ties to organized crime in China. Adelson will support whoever wins the nomination, much like he did with Mitt Romney and McCain.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/marco-rubio-sheldon-adelson-donors-2016-214680
You like organized crime? Vote republican!
Giancarlo85
*C*a*s*i*n*o is another censored word I just figured out… Go figure.
@Bob LaBlah: “This guy (Rubio) has some serious trash in his closet.”
Yup. Adelson is one of his secret backers. Trash is an understatement of the year. But then again the entire republican party is like this.
I think the republican party is one big racketeering scandal waiting to explode. I believe if we had a clear and transparent investigation and have a complete and thorough audit of the republican party we would know the truth. The party would cease to exist.
Giancarlo85
http://www.alan.com/2015/05/09/is-one-gop-megadonor-a-gangster/
This is like a story out of the Godfather. This guy is dangerous and he has used money to influence public officials extensively. This is called bribery in any other developed country. Here in America they call it “donations”.
corey
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: Did u miss the part when he stated that the gay republicans should not be invited to the republican shin-digs, which he said, as he addresse all those there from the podium, while the gay republican group was in the audience, and got claps of support from what sounded like quite a lot of others?
Scott Ammarell
Not until the general election – if at all. Until then he will continue to pander to the wing nuts of the right. Like the other republican candidates, his integrity is situational at best.
Bad Ass Biker
Rubio is a wishy washy wimp that stands for nothing and will follow whoever waves the biggest amount of money at him. When his personal financial dealings come under scrutiny, he will fold like a cheap suit. About the only thing he is qualified to be is a waiter in a Cuban restaurant.
Giancarlo85
@Bad Ass Biker: That’s an insult to waiters! He wouldn’t even be fit to be a bus boy.
John
Neither party truly gives a rats arse about if you are gay or not BUT will say whatever to pander to a voting/donating block that will give them the edge. If you look at 2012 election one week before Obama “evolved” on gay marriage there was a news story that gays were not donating or as energized towards his campaing as in 2008, so what happens, he “evolved” and the energy and money came in. Do I think he really “evolved”? no, I believe someone on his staff said we need cash and energy. Same with women, they weren’t donating, weren’t energized, what did he do? create Lily Ledbetrer Act the week after evolution of gay marriage (LLA is not really anything more the the Equal Pay Act of 1963, that isn’t enforced) but guess what it promoted energy and cash. Until we as citizens realize they all pander for the green and the voting block we are being played. BTW there was a story in September that those supporting Bernie were more educated and intelligent than those supporting Hillary. So some of you above said intelligence/educated support Dems put it all in perspective.
BJ McFrisky
@Giancarlo85: Your lack of understanding the English language with gems such as “those with a undergraduate degree” and “the republicans is tied to” only serve to prove my point that liberalism is for the under-30s crowds — under 30 years of age and under 30 IQ points.
Thank you so much for the clarification. We can always count on you for a good laugh, and I’ll be chuckling at this all day long—maybe even all weekend.
AxelDC
@Cam: Log Cabiners are always quick to point out how Democrats don’t kiss our asses enough, but they ignore all the times Republicans try to kick ours.
Giancarlo85
@BJ McFrisky: You don’t understand any statements on here. Your English is awful. You don’t even know how to construct a proper sentence. Maybe if you did, people wouldn’t make fun of you so much as they do on here.
You are just another Log Cabiner with a lack of mental power.
Giancarlo85
And there was nothing wrong with my grammar. Only an idiot would vote republican. Is that better? You are stupid and uneducated. That explains why you support the republican party. I am not here to write an essay. I will explain myself quite clearly. You have to be a moron to support the republican party. And yes, democrats have a vast majority of voters who possess undergraduate and/or graduate education.
Cam
@Giancarlo85:
BJ, once again, typically, Rubio has been pointed out as anti-gay, so you try to make any vague comments to deflect the topic of conversation.
Instead, why don’t you defend the multiple anti-gay activities and positions Rubio has taken that I pointed out. If you cannot do that, then don’t bother to post.
greyhound1954
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: The article highlights Rubio’s anti-gay moves. If you don’t think Rubio is homophobic or at least anti-gay, tell me why. Do you feel Rubio himself harbors no ill will toward gays and is “only” acting against us to placate his political base? Even if Rubio is a swell guy and would sit down for beers with queers like he would with Malala, the fact that he has supported anti-gay legislation negates any personal qualities he may have.
captainburrito
@John: Obama has helped gay rights, regardless of whether he did it for the money or sincerity… i mean if you require them to truly believe something as well as the actions i think you might be setting the bar a bit high.
greyhound1954
@BJ McFrisky: We unfortunately have only two major parties, both of which are in the pockets of the people who really run this country. Anyone over or under 30 years of age and over or under an IQ of 30 should be able to recognize this.
Bill Blank
Irrelevant. He’s not presidential material
greyhound1954
@AxelDC: Please allow me to use your rebuttal verbatim in future posts on this issue. Effective, using few words and vivid imagery.
onthemark
@BJ McFrisky: Do you think Rubio is secretly “indifferent” to gays? That his stated anti-gay positions are a sham and that he’s in reality indifferent to us? That seems to be your “gold standard” of who is worthy in the Republican Party.
Cam
@AxelDC:
So true, the only purpose Log Cabiners see for themselves now, is to be used as tools to defend GOP anti-gay hatred and bigotry.
GayEGO
@Brian: Shhhhhhh! Marcia does not want others to know about her being in the closet, especially her desire to wear pink taffeta gowns! :>)
Giancarlo85
@greyhound1954: Oh this nonsense. Democrats are with the people, while Adelson controls the Republican party. Yes, democrats have big name donors but they don’t rely on illegal mafia linked money. Adelson is a gangster.
CWM85
He’s anti gay and his record and words speak for themselves. This is about money and Singer pushing to protect low taxes for rich and no higher minimum wage.
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: Frisky would vote for Pat Robertson simply because of his support of Israel.
tmewrpagn
@BJ McFrisky
A few grammatical flubs aside, @Giancarlo85 makes a valid point that the more educated someone is, the more likely they are to vote for the Democrats. I have had to run that data from the American National Election Survey myself from multiple years and there is definitely a trend. I don’t know of any poll that compares IQ level and political sway but if you use education as a gauge then your assumption is most definitely incorrect. Just go onto most college campuses, one of the most dense areas for people with a Ph.D. and they are mostly liberal, I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Before you start on a rant that universities are just liberal bastions, it’s not that way because they are created that way it’s because the people at them are educated and thus more likely to be liberal.
CWM85
Dems are in trouble though nationwide. Soon 32 governors to 18 democrats. The control the house and senate. Big loses this week in Kentucky and VA. Houston voted a dem back anti discrimination law down 62 percent to 38 percent. So the Democratic brand is struggling. They have to do something they aren’t doing right to get voters to vote and pump up the base. The Dems are losing right now.
Cam
@CWM85:
So remind me, what does this have to do with how anti-gay Rubio is?
Oh, that’s right, you log cabiners only want to change the topic because your only job is to protect anti-gay bigots.
scotshot
@Giancarlo85: That’s an insult to busboys! He wouldn’t even be fit to scrape the sh*t off a dung beetle.
tomron
I wish I could be heartened by the likes of Mr. Singer, and his purported support for equality.
A. Being for equality because a loved one is affected by that equality, is not being for equality at all. If you are a freedom, equality loving individual, you are one who seeks just that for ALL.
B. I suppose we should be glad there are GOP individuals who “espouse our cause”, but ALWAYS, when push comes to shove, they (be they donors or legislators or party officials) vote, support the current bigotry of the ultra (not at all) right wingnuts. Allies like that, we can do without!
scotshot
@John: If getting results from Democrats is pandering, then I’m all for it> We’re better pff today than we were 4 years ago, 8 years ago , 15 years ago.
The GOTP on the other hand? qIf you keep up with the news at all they’re all about repression. See: Houston.
scotshot
@BJ McFrisky: If you’ll be chuckling about typos all day long we have to wonder if you have any sort of IQ at all. When all you can do is attack grammar and typos you have lost the argument – which you continually do.
scotshot
@scotshot: And speaking of typos… My comment to John above^^^ is full of them! LOL.
Celtic
In answer to OP no. He needs the bigots to show up at the polls.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: You seem to be confused. The Democrats do fine in general election years. In fact they dominate. But they need to work on off election years. And the Senate could very well go democrat in the next election. The House… Probably not. Go back to the troll site you came from. Nobody wants ignorant log cabiners on here.
By the way, Hillary will clobber any of the Republican frontrunners. Oh and she has increased her lead over Sanders substantially.
Giancarlo85
@John: You really are stupid. Obama has done more for our community and this entire nation than any republican. I can’t believe some are this ignorant of reality. Pandering? That is what all politicians do. But what matters is the end result.
Republicans will get clobbered next year when people vote in masse. Democrats will take the Senate and White House. Gay Republicans will be screaming like babies. There is a reason Republicans haven’t won a general election in over a decade. And the facade of them winning in off election years will soon change too. Their constituents are dying off.
chuck
Gay republicans are selfish fools.
AtticusBennett
of course not. republicans don’t respect gay republicans. the gay republicans give the bigoted republicans money and support and votes, while those people still vote against their equality and promote bigotry and discrimination against them/
that’s why the GAY GOP tactics have not worked. they’re such wimpy cowards and the GOP establishment knows it.
let’s play a game! hey gay republicans! put yourselves and your awesome non-bigoted families on youtube so we can all see the AMAZING work you and your family are doing to promote lgbt equality within the GOP!
ten bucks says none of you eunuchs can do that 😀
1EqualityUSA
Who cares about typos. We’re shooting off ideas and these comments are first drafts. The content overrides. Blame it on pets.
darkanser
Marco Rubio and his like could walk in Miami Pride wearing a rainbow jockstrap for as much as I care. There’s NO way I’d give an iota of support to any of the state saboteurs and sycophants who populate today’s GOP!!!
1EqualityUSA
elephants, sycophants, synonymous.
missuniverse
Rubio is NOT a friend to Gays.
I wouldn”t vote for him but since he looks hot, I will have SEX with him.
DarkZephyr
@BJ McFrisky: “If Republicans are “a punch-line for under-30 voters,” then the Democrats and their candidates are likewise a punch-line for over-30 IQs.”
But nothing about the actual topic, Rubio’s homophobia? Why do you NEVER speak out against Republican Homophobia? In ALL the years I have seen you post here I cannot recall ONE single time where you actually made one comment against a Republican’s homophobia. Or anybody’s homophobia for that matter. Not one.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Hi dear! Are you familiar with Freakonomics?
Apply the theory when reading this article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/landline-telephones-moral-tone_b_8470102.html
Hillary’s lead isn’t as clear as it seems.
Have a great weekend!
Mack
@BJ McFrisky: You’re just another troll who believes in the hatred you spurt. You’ve been on most gay sites with all your garbage.
Matthew Munson
If he endorsed the Equality Act that might save him from #homocons would vote Libertarian if he was the nominee.
Michael Edmonds
That and a little lube .
jimontp
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: Rubio has NEVER said anything and certainly NEVER voted for anything that advocated EQUAL rights for gays. On the contrary, he has been actively against equal rights. Duh? Do you know what homophobia looks like?
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: It is very clear. She has increased her lead nationally and in multiple States. Keep on living in conservative fantasy land. You are the clown that described yourself as a economic conservative. And no, I don’t need to read blog articles.
You are grasping at the straws. You are toast. Time to disappear as you always do. And take the condescending BS somewhere else, DEAR.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: that article is hilarious. What that idiot failed to realize the huge leads Hillary has in all other states. Vermont lmao. Try California. Vermont doesn’t decide primaries. Sanders is toast, hate to break it to you.
Next time don’t post a blog article by someone funded by the Israeli government.
jimontp
@BJ McFrisky: @BJ McFrisky: I think if you google it, you’ll find that the “low informed” voters support the GOP. Really, making comments about people with an IQ above 30 is inane. You can look at any polling data, the higher the education level (no one is asked what his/her IQ happens to be) the more they trend towards Democrats. Older voters, unwisely, are skewed more conservative. Not me. Into my retirement years but still out since the 1970s, I would NEVER vote Republican because they are virulently anti-gay, anti-equality and rapidly subservant to the 1%. Lucky for me, living in SF, there aren’t any Republicans who even bother to run for office anymore, LOL!
Giancarlo85
Sanders is the best chance republicans have for taking the White House. He trails far behind just about every republican candidate. You see the real reason right winger Mitt Romney supporter Lauraspencer supports Sanders? Far different motive than you might think.
jimontp
@Bill Blank: Of course Rubio isn’t presidental “material.” He’s scripted, knows nothing about foreign policy (besides boycotting Cuba) and dishonest about his personal history and finances. Exactly like George Bush, but the Supreme Court gave us that idiot and consequently the Iraq War. Rubio could do even worse.
Jay A. Scaramazzo
A homophobe = a homophobe
CWM85
Giancarlo I’m not a Republican but the recent republican victories for Governor and House and Senate are just facts and that dems have a problem. Those are facts. 32 Governors to 18 dems and house and senate controlled by republicans. That doesn’t make me a Republican by pointing out facts but it does seem the dems have a problem with voter turnout which should be concerning for the party. States that normally vote dem for Governor even went read like Kentucky and my home state of Maryland. So there is an issue.
silveroracle
Can I just say one thing.
I don’t live in America but I am not happy about a politician who wants to capitalise on the pink Pound or pink dollar.
I would rather have a politician who lends their support to the LGBT community.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: None of those mean a thing when it comes to general elections. The republican party loses general elections and will lose the Senate next year.You don’t know what you are talking about. Sticking to saying “hi” and not post statements about subjects beyond your capabilities.
Giancarlo85
By the way, a lot more republicans are vulnerable next year in the Congress than democrats and a lot are seeing sinking approval ratings. Republicans will lose big time. This is just reality. It wouldn’t surprise me if they only manage 43-44% of the popular vote in the general election.
dwes09
@BJ McFrisky: Actually, the claim regarding the under 30 crowd is well supported. It is also possible to find reliable studies that correlate a lower IQ with support for the Republican party. You are a great example of this, so lacking in critical faculties that you are an apologist for people who hate your very nature (assuming you are gay and not simply a right wing troll, which actually seems most likely).
Please provide some support for your comment regarding IQ’s on the left. Remember, your imagination is not considered a reliable source.
dwes09
@BJ McFrisky: “Your lack of understanding the English language with gems such as “those with a undergraduate degree” and “the republicans is tied to” only serve to prove my point that liberalism is for the under-30s crowds — under 30 years of age and under 30 IQ points.”
The last resort of those who have no substance to their position!
You are an empty hetero, right wing buffoon. Good Gay folks are sick of scum like you here! Spread your bile elsewhere, homophobic breeder!
CWM85
It does mean a thing in general elections. Because come general election the untied states will still be led by more republicans as governors and house and Senate will still be GOP controlled. So even tho a democratic may be elected President the house and senate will be gop controlled. You don’t seem to comprehend the facts that Dems are not turning up to vote in mid terms and losing races for Governor and Virginia just voted in a goo senator last week too. So you still aren’t addressing the issue of voter turnout out. You ignored my whole statement of facts and voter turnout and spoke about general election when my original comment had nothing with general election. You are just in denial but the facts are what they are. Republicans are kicking ass and only thing they don’t have is then white house. I’m not a Republican but those are the facts.
JimmyLaSalvia
My comments on this are in my recently published memoir – NO HOPE: Why I Left the GOP (and You Should Too)
Lots of behind the scenes stories in the book. Get your copy here. -> http://amzn.to/1OwngB2
Demetrius Greene
probably not
Chutney
Rubio is just another repuglicant oinker at the feeding trough. He’ll squeal any tune as long as he can get more green in his mouth.
lauraspencer
@CWM85:
You make valid points, but Giancarlo will never stray from his script. It’s like banging your head against a wall with him.
I think I reflect a lot of Democrats. At least most that I know. We are not excited by Hillary. Many like Sanders, but don’t think he can win. If Sanders isn’t the nominee I will not vote. I think if Hillary gets the nod many Dems will not feel passionately enough to turn up election day. I think Hillary as the nominee will unify the GOP and there will be record turn outs for Republican voters.
To your point, something is occurring with voters that Republicans are taking so many offices across the US. Time will tell.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: This jumbled mess means nothing. You are not even making an argument at this point. More Republicans are up for reelection and look very vulnerable next year. More Congressmen for example. You don’t know what you are talking about and you just ignored everything of what I said.
And what statement of facts? Everything you post is your opinion.
Stick to posting “hi” and vanish back to c,h,a,thour.
They aren’t kicking ass. You are getting your own ass kicked in this though. Next year isn’t an off election or midterm. It will feature a heavyweight known as Hillary Clinton. Not a lightweight like Sanders.
Now vanish and take your stupid misinformed OPINIONS with you.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: says the liar who voted for Mitt Romney. You didn’t vote democrat in the last general election. you voted republican. You so not speak for Democrats. All polls show high excitement for Hillary, especially after she eviscerated republicans in that eleven hour hearing.
You won’t vote for her? Congratulations on supporting republicans then. You have no argument.
Giancarlo85
And keep your anecdotes and personal samples to yourself, laura. More feel confident with Hillary and Republicans don’t have enough voters. Keep your BS to yourself.
CWM85
So the fact that 32 states have republican governors, the fact the house and senate are controlled by Republicans and states Obama won in 2012 went to GOP in governors. Nevada gop gov. Maine GOP governor. Liberal Massachusetts GOP. Liberal Maryland GOP. Iowa GOP governor. This week Kentucky elected a Republican governor for first time in 40 years. So those are my opinions? Those are facts. You call me names because you are mad dems are losing. So you resort to name calling. You have become unhinged. Dems are losing nationally and federally. Some crazy swing is not going to happen next year. Not enough senate seats are up for grabs. And Dems are too many behind in the house to take over. You have a hard time facing reality. I notice you get into so many arguments on here. Are people not allowed to have a different opinion than yours?
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: Again that doesn’t mean shit. Why? Because be t year is a general election year. Kentucky is a republican state that voted in Dixiecrats big deal. Your statements have nothing to do with next year, asides from showing you are yet another article. I am on my cell phone, but look up “GOP could lose Senate”. They are far more vulnerable than you gay Republicans think.
Your statement is pigheaded. Same shit said after the 2010 midterms regarding the 2012 election. It won’t hold. You don’t know anything about reality. Pigheaded! Your statements about who will win are not fact but opinion.
Vanish please and stop stalking me from site to site.
1EqualityUSA
Apathy is the most pathetic way to cave. Don’t be a “Bern” victim. If Hillary is it, vote. We need a balanced Supreme Court and somebody with hard world experience. Former Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton is experienced and will avoid the icebergs sent into our path by obstructionists.
Giancarlo85
And goodness… where do you get your stupid talking points? In a general election more people to get out to vote. Republicans are on track to lose the White House and Senate, but hold the House (because of gerrymandering). You do realize more republican Senators are up for election and are behind? Come on… You can’t be this misinformed.
Thanks for confirming you are yet another passive aggressive troll from c.h.a.t.hour.
CWM85
Lauraspencer I see ya point. He is really unhinged and not facing reality, the facts currently happening. I guess I made up republicans controlling House and Senate, have 32 Governors and control most state house and senates and Kentucky voted in a Republican Governor for first time in 40 years and Houston voted no to a law heavily pushed by democratic’s. Giancarlo seems very hostile and very rude to anyone who has a different opinion or he doesn’t like the facts. Sad, delusional way to be…
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: who is this tool? I am talking about who will win next year with higher turnout. Stop being passive aggressive. It works on c.h.a.thour but not here. You didn’t post facts, log cabiner. You posted opinion on who will win. I posted concrete facts.
1EqualityUSA
The same sort of comments were left by Romney supporters. The good news is, after the election, they become quiet. I just can’t see any of the GOP candidates sitting in the situation room. The brain surgeon with the temper as a young man is such a weirdo. Trump wouldn’t know who’s who beyond our continent, so he would delegate this out to a Rumsfeld-like Secretary of Defense, trusting that they have our Country’s best interest at heart. How vulnerable is that? Maybe Trump could have Dick Cheney back in the driver’s seat for his term?
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: They rely on erreonous claims that they cannot possibly lose. The reality is more Republicans Senator are up for re-election now and look very vulnerable.
Here is one article… I was also looking up another on the number of republicans up for re-election and it looks pretty bad for them at this point.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fernando-espuelas/deporters-in-chief-gop-will-lose-the-2016-election_b_6916018.html
Republicans thrive on low turn-out… but even that is rapidly disappearing. Even in Houston, the turn-out was in the mid 20s (percentage).
Hillary absolutely destroyed republicans in that 11 hour debate. She turned the tables on them. And that was eleven hours of non-stop bullshit lunged at Hillary. Sanders would have crumbled completely.
The GOP won in 2010, got over their heads and fielded some awful candidates for 2012. And they are doing the same thing all over again.
Giancarlo85
*republican senators.
Sorry, but hey… this isn’t an essay. Hopefully the grammar nazis don’t come out right now!
lauraspencer
@CWM85:
Giancarlo fights with everyone no matter the topic. Even if you present your opinion politely he will attack with insults and swearing claiming your view has no merit.
I’ve had my run in’s with him. If I post regularly he claims I don’t have a life. If I go weeks without posting he wonders where I have gone. Quite odd.
If I say I am registered Democrat who has voted for Democrats 70% of my voting record he claims I’m a Republican. If I say that I support Sanders and not Clinton I’m again called a Republican. If I say I’m not going to vote if Clinton is the nominee I’m called Republican.
Unless you see things exactly the same way as Giancarlo you will be called a troll, stupid, liar, etc.
CWM85, I respect your opinion so thank you for sharing.
CWM85
Giancarlo you completely ignored the trend in the country which in Republican Governors and Republican house and Senate. All of those senate seats are NOT going to switch to republicans. That is wishful thinking. And I have no idea what c.h.a thor is. I posted facts on who has the house republicans. I posted wbo has most state Governors. 32 republicans, 18 democrats. Those are not made up numbers. Gop has 243 house states. Dems 188. Senate 54 gop, dems 44. Those are facts. You can get that info on the official house and senate websites! Wtf is wrong with you. Are you confused and think its dems who are in control? Google u.s. House and senate and they will show you. Type in U.S. Governor’s and they will show you a rundown of how many states have republicans in charge and how many dems in independents. A lot of senators are up for relection but many of those states vote Republican. Like Idaho, Wyoming, South Dakota, Louisiana etc. Those states are suddenly not going to vote in dems. Now Obama did win in 2012 duh
But since those states many he won voted in gop house and Senate and voted republicans to be Governor’s. Nevada, Michigan, Iowa, Florida, Maryland, maine, Massachusetts, IL, Wisconsin. Obama won all of those states in 2012 yet they voted not only GOP governors but gop house and Senate. So something has happened all I’m saying and behind scenes Dems are concerned.
CWM85
Laura I see he is hostile and unhinged and he is so partisan he can’t realize his party is in trouble nationally. And that even states that normally vote dems like Maryland, Massachusetts, Maine even voted for republicans. That has to be very concerning to DNC.
1EqualityUSA
I wish mid-term elections generated more excitement for Democratic voters. Watch the South Carolina forum Maddow hosted. I liked all of our candidates. They seem so normal. O’malley sort of had a Frank Underwood House of Cards demeanor, and Bern looked as though he was going to pop, messing up the fancy set with grey matter, but their words were right on. Bern was saying to raise the minimum wage to $15.00 per hour and have big business open up manufacturing here in the U.S. If they can get the same plastic toys made in China for .60 cents per hour, why would companies want to pay $15 to put those pieces of plastic together? Unrealistic. Those are the thoughts that rolled through my head as he spoke. A balancing act where the true blue socialists won’t be entirely happy and the big business 1%’ers won’t be entirely happy may play out. Middle of the road. I can see why people get grouchy as they get older. Bush made me grouchier. Prop H8 made me grouchy. Next thing I’ll be yelling, “Get off my lawn!” with the sun shinning through my ears.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: You’re blabbering. You need to learn how to break up paragraphs. Nobody is going to read your jumbled messes of posts. First off, we are talking about 2016 in this thread. Not what happened in 2014, but in 2016. This has nothing to do with Governors. Florida went to Obama twice, yet had republican governors the whole time. Doesn’t matter.
Same thing with several other states including Michigan. Again, doesn’t matter. I am discussing the GENERAL ELECTION with specifically Hillary Clinton as part of the discussion.
The Senate is very likely to revert back to Democrats. Republicans will hold, but lose seats, in the House (they will hold it because of gerrymandering). You just don’t get this argument. Your argument is based on what happened in the past and in off-election years.
Your argument is stupid and nonsensical. The same one Romney supporters made in 2012 (Lauraspencer made this same argument in 2012 after she voted for Mitt Romney).
You are a stalker and you simply came from a different website (along with ButtStuff).
Your argument is utter bullocks. Learn how to read please. “Behind scenes” republicans are more concerned because none of their candidates can even beat Hillary. At this point, the republicans are freaking out because indications are pointing that they will lose the Senate and lose the White House. This is what happens when you go far right wing.
And Donald Trump has successfully pissed off enough people into strongly supporting Hillary even more. Trump are trolling republicans, like yourself.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: You keep saying “unhinged”. Seems like one of the few words you know, considering you know nothing about politics. Hey kiddo, I actually studied politics throughout college… so I think I know quite a bit more than you in this subject. You are so confident the republicans will win the White House in 2016 (and I told you how you are totally wrong on that one).
In the end, the only unhinged one here is you. You keep blabbering about republican governors. Again that has nothing to do with the White House. Florida went to Obama twice, yet had republican governors the entire time. In fact… one of those former republican governors is running for the White House. You might even support him for all we know.
No, not very concerning because the DNC knows they succeed in high turn-out situations. What we need to do is move the election to saturday… we all know republicans hate that idea though.
Your argument is silly. You’re talking about Republican governors, but that has nothing to do with the general election. You do realize a state will still go democrat even though it’s elected a republican governor? And you honestly think republicans will carry Maine, Maryland, or Virginia in the general election? You’re even more stupid than I thought.
1EqualityUSA
I wish small elections generated more excitement for voters. Rachel M@ddow hosted a forum that had me liking all of the candidates, though one of them had a Frank Underw00d House o’ Card$ kind of demeanor. Bern looked as though he was going to pop. What company would pay 15 when their plastic could be manufactured for pennies elsewhere? Unrealistic. Middle of the road, where neither side is happy, seems plausible. I can see why people get grouchy as they get older. Bu$h and prop 8 made me grouchier. Next thing I’ll be yelling, “Get off my lawn!” with the sun shinning through my ears.
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: You can only hope the rest of the nation catches up with California. Even in very low interest elections, democrats still win! In my district, we had an election with 20% turn-out. The republican was hoping and praying it was enough… lol… that tea party republican got crushed by 11%. If the turn-out was higher they would have been beaten 25-30%. LOL.
And Jerry Brown would have won the Governor race by 30-40%, and not the 20% he won it by lol.
There is a proposal to move the election to the weekend to spur turn-out.
The US needs to smarten up and stop electing republicans. We learned out lesson here in California years ago.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *BTW, Jerry Brown won the governor re-election bid by 60-40%. It would have been 70-30 or 80-20% if turn-out was higher. Republicans are totally screwed in this state.
So yea, we’re going to decide on moving the election to the weekend. It could really help prevent any republican from ever winning any state wide office here.
lauraspencer
Laura Spencer never made any argument in 2012 after voting for Romney. I simply voted. There was no arguing involved.
JessPH
Still not going to win against Billary.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You voted for Mitt Romney… And… Gasp… Paul Ryan. You do not speak for any democrat. You are not even a real one yourself. Again, keep your personal samples to yourself. Enthusiasm for Hillary shot up after that hearing. People saw she is a heavyweight.
Jonathonz
@BJ McFrisky: According to the Pew Research Center those with higher education do indeed lean Democrat.
“Democrats lead by 22 points (57%-35%) in leaned party identification among adults with post-graduate degrees. The Democrats’ edge is narrower among those with college degrees or some post-graduate experience (49%-42%), and those with less education (47%-39%). Across all educational categories, women are more likely than men to affiliate with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic. The Democrats’ advantage is 35 points (64%-29%) among women with post-graduate degrees, but only eight points (50%-42%) among post-grad men.”
http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/
And btw, your crack about “under-30 IQ’s” has no place in a political discussion. We’re adults here.
Giancarlo85
@Jonathonz: In other words, smarter people vote democrat either by wide or sizable margins. If we were to increase pell grant funding, republicans would be screwed. Republicans hate colleges. Colleges produce people who question their bullshit hahahah!
BJ McFrisky
@Jonathonz: If you honestly believe that higher education equals higher intelligence, Jon, then you obviously are an evil rrraaaacist who believes people of color are intellectually inferior since they have a lower graduation rate.
See how that lib logic works? Anyone can be labeled a bigot in your world.
Maude
@tmewrpagn:
You confuse ‘indoctrination’ with ‘education’.
As a gay independent, I chose to vote for ‘common sense’. Something I find lacking in the democratic candidates for potus.
Hillary is utterly without scruples, as well as common sense. If she is the Democratic candidate, I will stay home rather than vote against honesty, integrity,
and good common sense.
1EqualityUSA
Many in underserved communities have the ability to size up an entire room in minutes, so though they may not have an alphabet behind their names, they are able to survive and scrutinize others with the accuracy of a trained behavioral analysis unit. Intelligence exists, irrespective of degrees. I see this everyday.
1EqualityUSA
Maude, by sharing your opinion about, “staying home” it seems that you want others to do the same. Is this your motive?
lauraspencer
I have said I speak for any Democrat. I only speak for myself.
lauraspencer
I have never said I speak for any Democrat. I only speak for myself.
lauraspencer
@Maude:
Maude. I feel the same. So do several of my friends.
It is sad that in this day and age the Miss America Pageant has 50 candidates to vote for and for President it comes down to 2. We deserve better.
1EqualityUSA
So when 3 more Antonin Scalias are sitting on the bench for decades to come, I hope you are pleased with your decisions.
1EqualityUSA
Usually, not every time, but usually, when one says something like, “and everybody I know feels the same way” or “so do several of my friends” to bolster their argument, it comes from a place of weakness.
Giancarlo85
@BJ McFrisky: um working class people vote democrat by aid margins too. Nice try though. All the link said is those with college education vote democrat either by wide or sizable margins.
@Maude: You have constantly proved that you have no common sense. Your accusations against Hillary are without merit. And you staying home is essentially a vote for the Republican party. Fortunately you probably live in a state where your vote doesn’t even matter (Missouri or Mississippi perhaps?).
@lauraspencer: Yet you saw it appropriate to vote for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan just three years ago.
People like you have no integrity, no common sense and no grasp of reality. Hillary is the best shot this country has. If you don’t vote, you are supporting the teapublicans. And we as a community will suffer if your ridiculous ideas ever come fruition.
Again I don’t give a shit about your friends. In the bigger picture, Hillary has vast support and created great enthusiasm after her powerful debate and even more powerful eleven hour destruction of rethuglicans.
Giancarlo85
* wide margins.
Democrat voters are multicultural, span across income groups and include various ethnicities. Republicans are the party of angry white males, typically older and senile. That crap may have worked in 1980, but we are talking about 2016.
And yes if you don’t vote we won’t even have the legal system on our side, if republicans had their way. You two are shameful!
1EqualityUSA
Spooky article about how corporations coerce their employees to vote Republican. (Creeps) Republicans cannot win without cheating and stacking the deck.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/07/your_boss_wants_to_control_your_vote_the_real_reason_to_fear_corporate_power/
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: That’s just scratching the surface. If republicans had their way only rich white male property/business owners would vote. Just like in the 18th century. Women would be banned from voting. Minorities would be banned from voting.
There is an insidious voter suppression campaign going on that is similar to what happens in countries like Egypt and Turkey. Al Jazeera (English) has done an enormous six month investigation of such suppression efforts. Millions of minorities voters are being threatened with electoral purges. These are United States CITIZENS who have been convicted of NO crime and have clean records.
http://projects.aljazeera.com/2014/double-voters/
This is an enormous vote fraud rigging effort similar to what goes on in certain developing nations. The Republican Party’s dear friend Ugandan dictator Yoweri Museveni probably gave them inspiration on how to coommit massive vote fraud.
Republicans don’t want blacks, Latinos or other minorities voting. Of course, their efforts will be futile. Minorities will get out to vote, especially Latinos who are seeing more and more reason to get involved. IF Donald Trump wins the nomination, expect massive and enormous outrage. Latinos will shift the election once again (like they did in 2012 when Lauraspencer voted for Mitt Romney). Latinos overwhelmingly support Hillary.
And if any of the other republicans win the nomination the same will occur. Ben Carson is in the midst of a major scandal involving his own ethics.
1EqualityUSA
I loved every word of this comment Giancarlo85, except for the small jab at the other commenter, as it detracted from your message. The voter fraud will need to be handled via an amendment process. What fun it would be to see a Republican try to reason against passing an amendment to protect voters. The last laugh will be on them. They would do well to stop the shenanigans and rebuild trust. Trust isn’t garnered by pulling sneaky-monkey with voters. Integrity is working without fear. Their fear has a smell. Fear makes rules, laws, and principles pillars to be circumvented. This bad behavior is like seeing signs and symptoms of disease. The GOP has a smell to it. Olfactories that can’t be shipped over seas.
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: Well it wasn’t really a jab. She did vote for Mitt Romney. I always wondered and asked why… and I don’t really get an answer. Mitt Romney would have been terrible for this country… and Paul Ryan even worse. That man is an utter disaster who has never really worked a day in his life. The most he does is write speeches.
The voter fraud effort is huge… but it can be stopped. Republicans tried to do it in a last ditch attempt to hold onto California, but they failed miserably and now represent less than 23% of the electorate.
1EqualityUSA
The idea is to make your point off of the inane things that they say. Refuting their message is enough.
LP - Hired Stud
@Bob Kellerman: I’m curious, do you feel the same way about the STREET WALKING WHORE Hilary Clinton or any of the other Democratic Candidates or did you feel that way about President Obama when he ran?
Giancarlo85
@LP – Hired Stud: And here we have… another right wing trolls just out to insult democrats.
DarkZephyr
@BJ McFrisky: Still waiting to hear your thoughts on Rubio’s homophobia. I mean his homophobia is pretty blatant, so there is no way you can dismiss concerns about with “anybody can be made a bigot with lib logic”.
Seriously, what do you call the kind of logic that Rubio employs in his fight to make sure gay people don’t have equal rights? Is that also “lib logic”?
CWM85
The dems a, massre so obsessed with courting blacks and glbt voters that have totally neglected the majority of voters like white families, religious groups, white men, married white women. That’s why they are losing nationwide races and states Obama won in 2012 have elected republicans. The dems need to court more voters, not just young people and minority voters. White liberal states have gone Gop. Maine, Mass,Maryland. The dems are stuck in a bubble. And reading articles from dem insiders know they need to expand their based to not only minorities. GOP are sweeping up seats in Governor races nationwide. 32 Gop Governors to 18 dems. More Gop controlled house and senates. Federal GOP majority. The dems have a problem and strategist know it. The dems aren’t showing up to vote in mid terms and some states that Obama won like 8 have gone to Republicans. Nevada, maine, Maryland, mass, Iowa, Florida, New mexico, Kentucky. Giancarlo I’m just stating the facts instead of attacking you need to study what is happening to democrats and why they are losing, badly.
lauraspencer
@1EqualityUSA:
It doesn’t come from a place of weakness at all. Just honesty. I have only ever been honest on this site. I’m the one who has stated my voting record numerous times only to be attacked. Wouldn’t it have been easier to have lied? Nope, I will continue to be honest.
You and Giancarlo seem to take political discussions personally. It seems when someone criticizes Hillary or doesn’t support her that you think YOU are being attacked. I don’t feel that way when discussing politics. I like Sanders and respect him. That doesn’t seem to be good enough for people like Giancarlo.
As for my friends who feel like me 1 is independent and the other 3 are Democrats. We have discussed that many of the candidates are lackluster and Sanders is offering a change. Sounds like Obama back in 2008. My parents who are Republican feel the same way. Not much to vote for. I think there is going to be low voter turn out on both sides.
CWM85
As far as Rubio”s homophobia t his is why I can’t vote for none of the Republicans. If only they would stop these anti gay polices… then I would give them a chance. Our Republican governor Larry Hogan in Maryland isn’t anti gay and it is such a relief. He has already lowered O’malley’s fees, tolls. Now working on 40 taxes. Smh
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: Repeating it like a broken record over and over and over again… with even worse written sentences. Just because you repeat garbage doesn’t make it true. It doesn’t surprise still fail to address what I said about general elections. This just goes to show you have some sort of severe mental disconnect.
The dems do court voters. The issue is those voters mostly come out during the general election as that is a higher interest election. I’ve already named some suggestions to get those voters out more often. Often these younger voters work throughout the week or go to school… and don’t go out and vote. California Secretary of State Alex Padilla has embarked on a plan to increase turn-out and the idea of moving election day to the weekend has been floated.
Liberal states haven’t gone to the GOP. Again, learn how to differentiate between a Governor race and a Presidential race. Florida went to Obama twice, yet maintained a GOP Governor. That is immaterial to the fact that it went to Obama. Same thing with Michigan.
You keep talking about GOP governors, but this just goes to show you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. And many of those GOP governors are far more moderate than the GOP Presidential Nominees because they have an interest in being more moderate for their constituents. Either way, I see many of them getting kicked out much the same way Tom Wolf kicked out Tom Corbett in Pennsylvania. Many republican governors have fast sinking approval ratings.
Still this discussion is immaterial and absolutely meaningless. Republican governors are immaterial. Chris Christie got elected in New Jersey. Doesn’t matter. Want to know why? The state always go democrat solidly.
1EqualityUSA
lauraspencer, we squeaked by last year. I never questioned your honesty. The GOP stands to put three new Supreme Court justices on the bench. I’ve lost faith in our system. Supreme Court justices can be politically and religiously motivated. I don’t like what I’ve seen with John Roberts and the other Catholics on the Supreme Court. What you said was that if you do not get your way, you’ll stay home and opt not to vote? O.K., your choice. Then you get on line with your intentions and verbalize this inane drivel, as if locking elbows with Maude and touting how all of your friends are in agreement with you somehow gives your decision credence. It doesn’t. We disagree. Equality is my priority, not non-voters being bothered by refutation.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You went as far as saying you’ll vote republican or not vote at all. You won’t vote at all if Hillary is the DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE (and yes, it’s looking increasingly likely). As much as I respect Sanders, he’s a political lightweight. He wouldn’t make it in the general election.
“As for my friends who feel like me 1 is independent and the other 3 are Democrats.”
Your friends are immaterial to this discussion. Stop bringing them up. Nobody cares about them. This discussion is about the bigger picture. Not your so called “democrat” friends.
Sanders is a political lightweight and doesn’t even carry the same kind of charisma that Obama carried. In fact he looked quite lost when dealing with certain protesters and he wouldn’t last in an 11 hour grilling. It’s all Hillary this time and it’s her turn.
lauraspencer
Let’s hope more people who support Hillary show up to vote for her than they did to watch her on SNL. Comparing the audience that SNL garnered for Trump compared to Hillary is a bit scary. Obviously, Trump is getting eye balls.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/08/donald-trump-snl-ratings
1EqualityUSA
Yes, and people line up annually to smell that corpse flower that smells of, what newspapers describe as, decaying flesh. They walk away afterwards.
CWM85
Giancarlo the dems have problems for folks turning out. And you saw that in 2010, 2014 and again so far this year. Their voters are motivated to vote republicans are. And Governors do matter because they sign bills into law. And if its any indication of how the country has flipped since 2012, the dems are in trouble. You’re just in denial and think some magic is going to happen in 2016. You’re wrong.
CWM85
You point out facts and delusional people deny them. Sad way to be. Giancarlo will be miffed in 2016 when gop retains house and senate and majority of country still have Republican Governor’s and both chambers of delegates. Clinton maybe denied office in 2016. She is guaranteed to win.
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: Just one question…Are you seriously NOT going to vote if Sanders doesn’t get the Democratic Nomination? Write in a candidate! Vote for somebody…just not a rethuglican!! Seriously, that party relies on peoply NOT voting and by staying home you are supporting their party’s efforts.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: They didn’t have trouble getting people out in the last two general elections, and they won’t have any issue with that in the next general election. So you are missing the entire point of what I’m talking about. Florida went to Obama twice, yet retained republican governors. Go figure. You really don’t know what you’re talking about at all.
@CWM85: You never actually address anything I say. You are in total and complete denial. You’ll be miffed when the GOP loses the Senate and loses a huge number of seats. You are a gay republican at all. Clinton will not be denied. But yea, she’s almost a shoo-in at this point.
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: These two don’t want to vote and would simply want a republican to win. Laura voted republican in the last Presidential race and never offered and explanation as to why.
CWM85
Whatever Giancarlo The Republicans will still have house and senate and Clinton is not guaranteed to win white house… I’m not republican but the dems are losing races nationwide and some states have flipped republican since 2012.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: I think the republicans will hold the House, but lose the Senate (and they are in big trouble there actually). Clinton is just about a shoo-in at this point. Republicans are in big trouble in general elections. They may only get 43-44% of the popular vote next year. That’s my projection. Some states haven’t flipped. There hasn’t been another general election since 2012. The only state that really flipped from 2008-2012 was North Carolina and Indiana but they were both leaning republican anyways.
Giancarlo85
And if you think one of those dipshit candidates republicans have will beat Hillary, you have bigger problems than I thought. Seriously what are you smoking? They are all far right. They turn off most voters instantly with their venomous rhetoric. General elections are different. You still don’t quite grasp it.
lauraspencer
@youarekiddingme:
I vote for a person and not a party. If Sanders isn’t the candidate I can not cast my vote for Hillary. I do not trust her and feel she isn’t going to move us forward. I won’t Republican since none of the candidates impress me. I will simply not vote. Same as Maude above. She has the same plan.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: She is definitely going to move us forward. But I take it you vote for the person. So why did you vote for Romney? 🙂 You and Maude have no real plan and you don’t care about this country or the people living in it. If you did, you would vote for Hillary (who is almost certainly going to secure the nomination).
Hillary is a heavyweight. Sanders, while a nice guy, is a lightweight. Only one would win the general election (and believe me I’m not referring to Sanders here).
CWM85
No. Iowa, Maine,Nevada, new Mexico, Massachusetts, Maryland also flipped too. You need to read up on states that have flipped since 2012. You in 2008. Since 2012 several states have voted in republicans. The Republicans will keep the senate. So you think idaho, south Dakota, Nebraska, North Dakota are going to filp to dems? Lol they always vote republican. Alabama vote for dems? Dude you really need to read who is up for reelection and wgat states. Texas is up too. Again gop land.
CWM85
Hilary will have a problem being elected for one she has gone too far left for a lot of swing states. Two her scandals. 3 she is a woman and many people won’t vote for her simply because she is a woman and she is a Clinton. Those swing states are not that quite progressive as Clinton has protrayed her to be.
CWM85
States that Have vote republican Governor’s and house and senate since 2012… states that Obama won. Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, Maine, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan. The majority of senate races up for election are south states and plain states that vote Republican. Please read up Giancarlo senate will not swing dems next year. Several gop are up for reelection but mostly in states that vot republican no matter what, like the south and plain states and MIDWEST conservative states.
Louis
Why the hell does anyone LGBT support people like this? EVER?
What causes one to have that much self loathing for themselves to vote for people who would gladly strip you of your rights and would be happy in doing so?
Smh some people in this community really make one wonder what could possibly be going through their heads to support our rivals and opposition.
Republicans have never been our allies maybe a few but that’s a rarity regarding a party that has always been known for its divisiveness and intolerance.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: They didn’t “flip”. You apparently have no clue how the system works in this country. Obama carried both states in both Presidential elections. There wasn’t another Presidential election. The Republicans have far more Senators up for reelection than the Democrats do and many more of them are vulnerable and sinking in the polls. It is obvious you do not read at all. You just blabber about a subject you know nothing about.
@CWM85: And yet another post without any substance. Single women were key to Obama being elected and reelected. Hillary would easily win the same… So the argument about her being a woman shows how ignorant you really are. Her so called “scandals” are nothing more than republican blabbering. And finally Hillary is more of a moderate. Sanders is the one that would lose those swing states. The Clinton’s are far more popular in those states than any of these republicans running.
@CWM85: And yet… More blabbering
Governors have nothing to do with the Presidential race. Obama won Florida twice. The state where Jeb Bush was governor. You need to read up. You don’t know anything
Look at who is up for reelection. You are simply wrong.
Giancarlo85
CWM thinks he is such a genius and knows everything about politics. He doesn’t even read my posts. He makes things up too. He doesn’t know how the system works. Then he makes some bigoted stupid comment about women. What an ignorant tool. He has never backed anything up he has said. I don’t take his stupid words as fact. It is clear this idiot has an agenda he is peddling. He hates Hillary and wants one of those incredibly unpopular Republicans to win. First off, most independents are turned off by the GOP Presidential candidates, especially in swing states. Read up you phony!
Cam
@BJ McFrisky:
Could somebody please count the number of posts where BJ actually talks about the topic of the article and doesn’t try to deflect the conversation because he has no response to Rubio and his long standing bigotry?
I got zero.
BJ McFrisky
@DarkZephyr: Rubio is exactly as homophobic as are Obama and Clinton, because he’ll eventually “evolve” as they did when it becomes politically necessary.
AtticusBennett
@BJ McFrisky: no he won’t. he cares about anti-gay bigots, not sackless gay conservatives like you 😀
can any of you gay republicans in here show yourselves, and show what you and your families are doing to advocate for LGBT equality within the GOP? No. Of course not. and this is why the GOP won’t ever come around on LGBT issues – you gay republican boys are such broken little wimps, even your families know you’re not worth respecting.
AtticusBennett
@Louis: the answer is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrv31BCGeqY
CWM85
Giancarlo is a lunatic and makes things up and attacked me for pointing out the obvious how the country is trending republican due to several states they have picked up in 2012, 2014, this year. And how even liberal states like Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts. This giancarlo85 guy is a lunatic and beyond delusional, he’s a sad little boy who probably doesn’t get a lot of attention in his off social media life. States have flipped. States that normally vote democratic like my Home state of Maryland voted in Republicans. My liberal state. I know what I’m talking about. Maine liberal state voted republican. The most liberal of all states Massachusetts voted for gop governor. Iowa went goo, nevada, new Mexico. Kentucky voted in their first GOP governor in 40 years! The house has 246 republicans to dems 188. The senate has 54 republicans to dems 44. Folks, giancarlo I know you are at wits end and at a panic but the dems aren’t doing well. They are being whupped nationwide by republicans. Those are facts right now. And 2016 will not flip the house back to dem control. The senate will not flip to dem control. Its wishful, delusional thinking. The fact is Obama is unpopular and many states flipped because of a referendum of his policies. The dems are getting people to vote and they have been stuck trying to reach out to minorities that they have neglected the majority of voters. A lot of white voter’s are wondering how does the current Democratic party look after them when they spend a lot of time speaking about glbt, blacks, single women etc…
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: And there he goes again. Verbal diarhea from the mouth. Can one of you other guys help me out… I was wondering… does pepto-bismul help with verbal diarrhea? Or just the kind you get from eating at the shady Chinese restaurant with the grade C rating from the health department?
At any rate, CWM you can continue to blabber and fuss on but nothing you say has anything to do with reality nor with the solid facts I’ve pointed out. You expect me to take your “word” for everything and you repeat it over and over and over again like a moron. Nobody cares what you think. Chris Christie is a republican, yet New Jersey is a solidly blue state with a blue legislator.
Again, governor races are irrelevant and immaterial to the Presidental Race I am discussing. If you keep bringing up governors, I will conclude that you have admitted defeat and don’t know what you’re talking about. Many of those republican governors are not nearly as far as right as the GOP Presidential Candidates running, and often only have to answer to their constituents rather than the party. Kentucky has always been a republican state Presidentially, so it doesn’t surprise me. Obama never carried Kentucky. Who was the last Democrat President that carried Kentucky? Carter? Clinton? I’m not even sure if Bill did.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. You’re the one panicking because I caught you out on your bullshit and now you’re foaming at the mouth like a rabid little animal in a cage.
No, states didn’t flip because of Obama. They flipped because off-election years have lower turn-out. Obama actually has higher approval ratings than most republican governors and certainly higher approval ratings than the Republican-controlled Congress (which is at an all time low).
You’re about as stupid as it gets.
“The dems are getting people to vote and they have been stuck trying to reach out to minorities that they have neglected the majority of voters.”
Bullshit statement. Minorities and women are the reason why Obama won both general elections. Democrats are neglecting the majority… being women? I think not. DEmocrats lead significantly among women (overall). In fact they lead by double digits. Women drive politics and they tilt elections. Again, that is why Obama won in 2008 and again in 2012. Funny how Mitt Romney won the same percentage of white males as Reagan did in 1980, yet lost the election.
You’re the one with wishful delusional, stupid and downright moronic thinking. I don’t think you know anything about what is going on in this country. You are nothing more than a talking head. You’re a republican.
Giancarlo85
“The dems are getting people to vote and they have been stuck trying to reach out to minorities that they have neglected the majority of voters. ”
Explain to us how they have “neglected” the “majority” of voters? Do you really have a clue about anything? Do you know WHITE MEN are NOT the majority of VOTERS ANYMORE????? Or does stupid run in your family?
Giancarlo85
And the only reason why republicans win in the off years is because a MAJORITY of voters DO NOT GET OUT to vote. Low interest elections generate low turn-out. That is the only way republicans won in Kentucky (which is a red state anyways) and in Houston.
Checkmate! You’re out of here, CWM! Take your ignorant statements somewhere else… maybe Newsmax might be a good site for you?
Cam
@BJ McFrisky: said… “Rubio is exactly as homophobic as are Obama and Clinton, because he’ll eventually “evolve” as they did when it becomes politically necessary.”
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And once again, BJ just blathers out anything to avoid the actual topic. Which is Rubio is extremely anti-gay, and nobody on the Democratic ticket is saying the same things he is.
Again, your only goal is to do anything you can to protect and shill for anti-gay bigots.
CWM85
Giancarlo and his excuses and delusions. Can’t accept the dems are getting whupped right now and thinks a miracle will happen in 2016. I hope one day you can accept reality and stop making things up. I can tell I’m dealing with an unhinged, hardheaded misfit though. You arw dismissed. I clearly laid out facts and all you laid out was gibberish about next year senate races that republicans will be elected in their solid red districts. Good day misfit.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: As I expected. Verbal diarrhea does not have a cure. Pepto does not help. Perhaps surgery to sew your mouth shut? You can’t accept the fact that republicans haven’t won a general election in over a decade and don’t remember how to do so. Pushing shitty candidates won’t help them win a general election. You don’t know how to read. You are the unhinged, diarrhea mouth who can’t accept the facts. You expect everyone to accept your “words” as facts, but you failed miserably when I asked you to back yourself up. You don’t even know what Senate seats are up for bids, you’re an idiot.
You didn’t clearly lay out anything, except your massive ego. Yes, I can’t wait till next year when Hillary wins and you run out of here for good. The real misfit is you. Gay republicans don’t fit anywhere and don’t belong.
CWM85
I’m not a gay republican. I’m independent and You are mad because your party is losing… lol Hilary is no guarantee but she will be better than any republican. But she won’t get much done with all goo house and senate if she doesn’t become moderate again…
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: I am not affiliated with any party. The democrats will win next year and you will be shitting your pants as the fake “independent” you are. You are more to the right wing than anything. Senate is going democrat. And what is the “goo house”? LOL.
CWM85
I told you what seats are up. Idiot. I told you how many republican house has 246. To 188 dems. 54 gop to 44 dems. Hmm how does Oklahoma sound to you? South Dakota, Kansas, Louisiana Alabama, Arizona, south Carolina…Solid red states.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: Now he’s just blowing smoke and more verbal diarrhea straight from the mouth. This kid obviously cannot read and suffers from a serious disorder. He doesn’t know how to read.
Cam
@CWM85:
The fact that you are so exeedingly happy to crow about Republicans, who hate LGBTS civil rights is extremely self hating. Who are you trying to impress? Bigoted family members? The kids who picked on you? Or do you go to a bigoted church like the LDS and you just plain hate yourself?
CWM85
Cam I am just laying out facts that dems are struggling and need to get it together or their message is not clicking. I am not religious and I love myself and steadfast for our rights. But I am realistic and see what is happening and dems need a strong counter punch because they are losing. Giancsrlo is just a brain dead, brainwashed idiot in denial. Dems are in trouble.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: You haven’t laid out shit, except your own stupid ego which is on show for EVERYONE TO SEE. I just pointed out the facts that the republicans are on track to lose next year handedly. Their top two candidates have been embroiled in quite a mess. Ben Carson isn’t look so hot right now. You’re not realistic. You’re just stupid and you don’t know how to read. You’re a moron. Everything you say is moronic. You say “BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH” and THIS IS A FACT. I ask you to prove it, and then you just turn around and insult. The real brainwashed braindead impotent fool here is you.
Cam
@CWM85:
But anybody realistic would also mention Gerrymandering. The fact that you haven’t leads me to believe you have another Agenda going on here.
Giancarlo85
Of course. He’s a gay republican… and he’ll keep on denying it and call himself an “independent” (what a crock of BS).
CWM85
Giacarlo… this idiot… if you still around in November 2016 I will say told you so… the writing and trend is on the wall. You are so stupid and delusional. Lol Gop will still lead house and senate in 2016. Those south states will NOT switch to dems. Are you that naieve?
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: And the idiot who got totally destroyed in this argument still comments. A day after he was totally defeated. You never addressed my points. And yes, in November when Hillary wins I expect you to cry like the little fucking bitch you are. And when the democrats retake the Senate, you’ll blubber like a baby. You’re a moron and you know nothing about politics!
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: @Maude: Ok, I understand that you two don’t vote for parties (at least laura has stated as much). You both don’t support Hillary and if she gets the Democratic nomination (and neither of you will vote for a republican candidate), you are going to stay home and not vote…
Why not vote an independent or EVEN WRITE IN A CANDIDATE’S NAME? You can write in your own name if you want! There are other issues to important to vote for and NOT VOTING is the same as casting a vote for the republicans. Is that really what you two want? Think about it. You are sounding like the kids that don’t get their way in a game, so they won’t play at all.
In this case it could help the republicans to actually weasel their way into office. They count on low voter turn out.
Think about your decisions…
Alistair Wiseman