If you thought Donald and Melania had a twisted relationship, just wait until you hear about Mike and Karen Pence.
A new exposé published by the Washington Post on the Vice President and his wife paints a chilling portrait of an unusually close relationship between a husband and wife.
“They are in a strong, supportive marriage bound by common faith,” Peter Rusthoven, who has known the Pences for more than 25 years, says. “I don’t think they make decisions separately.”
But is it really “strong” and “supportive,” or is it more creepy, co-dependent, and controlling? You decide…
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According to the article, Mrs. Pence, who Mr. Pence refers to as “mother,” doesn’t permit her husband to attend any events where alcohol is served unless she is with him. She also forbids him from spending any time alone with any women other than herself. Ever. That means no one-on-one meetings. No work lunches. No coffee runs. Nothing.
As Indiana’s first lady, Karen did something no other first lady had ever done before when she demanded an office on the second floor of the statehouse, just steps away from her husband’s. And when he was serving as a House member in Washington, she had a private phone line installed in his D.C. office that only she had the number to.
In addition to all that, the Washington Post reports that Mrs. Pence insists on traveling with Mike almost everywhere he goes. When he was Governor of Indiana, for instance, she tagged along on several trips abroad, including to far-off places like Germany and Japan. She also joined him on his first official trip overseas as Vice President to the Munich Security Conference in February. Insiders say this will likely be routine for all future foreign travel.
Not only that, but Mrs. Pence is also rumored to be very heavily involved in her husband’s policy making. Or at least in pressuring him to make good, Christian decisions.
According to sources:
Supporters and critics alike cite her as a force behind her husband’s socially conservative stances, including his opposition to gay marriage and the religious freedom law he signed as governor of Indiana, which opponents worried would allow business owners to discriminate against gays and lesbians by citing religious concerns.
Apparently Karen’s opposition to all things LGBTQ goes back decades.
In 1991, she wrote a letter to the editor complaining about an article the paper had published an article that “encourages children to think they’re gay or lesbian if they have a close relationship with a child of the same sex.”
“I only pray that most parents were able to intercept your article before their children were encouraged to call the Gay/Lesbian Youth Hotline, which encourages them to ‘accept their homosexuality’ instead of reassuring them that they are not,” she wrote.
Other revelations made by the article:
- While living in the Indiana governor’s mansion, the Pences has twin treadmills installed side-by-side upstairs in their residence.
- Karen often sits in on Mike’s off-the-record briefings with reporters where she walks around with a silver tray of cookies keeping an eye on things.
- Friends often refer to Karen as Mike’s “prayer warrior,” who will hold prayers anytime any place, including, once, in a laundry room.
- Mike proposed to Karen while they were feeding ducks in a park. He hid the ring in a loaf of bread. Afterwards, they had the bread shellacked as a keepsake.
- The Pences have matching private his-and-hers email addresses that are exactly the same except for the first initials.
h/t: Washington Post
Photo: Twitter/@charisma_news
DCguy
He calls his wife “Mother”?
Can’t wait until somebody buys and sells his browser history.
am_psi
Husband and wife in a loving relationship have shared interests and values and want to be together? The scandal! Why can’t Pence be out screwing everybody but his wife like Bill Clinton?
DCguy
Comments like this let you know that these accounts are all just anti-lgbt trolls. Notice how the post rewrites the actual meaning of the post?
No, it isn’t Pence liking his wife. It is that he somehow feels that being a room with other women is somehow dangerous, that women are not equal, or that he himself is so untrustworthy that he will what…..attempt to rape a woman alone in a room with him?
Neonegro
well said am_psi.
Even a child would know that the story is propaganda.
And I love how gays are now criticizing other people’s relationships.
PretenderNX01
Being controlling, jealous and paranoid isn’t “loving”
Jack Meoff
It begs the question why can’t he be trusted on his own that she needs to take such extreme measures to keep an eye on him and control him. Makes me wonder if left to his own devices he might be inclined to explore “alternative lifestyles” and perhaps she knows this about him and so keeps on a tight leash.
highestbidder
It sounds odd but seriously the only presidential marriages that seemed normal in my lifetime were the Bush marriages. (born 1963)
NateOcean
Barbara Bush? The “fetus in a jar” Barbara Bush? That one?
The “played golf on the day her daughter died of leukemia” Barbara Bush?
PretenderNX01
The Obama’s marriage is very normal.
natekerchel
Yet again we hear about the Clintons marriage. Old news. A normal, loving relationship does not include controlling your partner. A normal loving relationship does include encouraging your partner to reach their highest potential in everything they do – not in filling their heads with religious nonsense. The Clintons may have had a bad marriage – but it was a whole lot more normal than this one.
Highestbidder – you missed out Carter and Ford, both of whom had very happy marriages.
mhoffman953
According to the article:
“While living in the Indiana governor’s mansion, the Pences has twin treadmills installed side-by-side upstairs in their residence.”
“Karen often sits in on Mike’s off-the-record briefings with reporters where she walks around with a silver tray of cookies keeping an eye on things”
So scandalous that they exercise together and his wife likes to bake cookies.
The Washington Post will criticize Trump and Melania for being distant but then will criticize Pence and his wife for being close. There is clearly an anti-Trump agenda at the Washington Post. They even went as far as lying and reported that Russia hacked our electrical grid.
natekerchel
Yet again you choose to overlook the pertinent information – the controlling aspect. Of course couples do things together, no one is knocking that. But what we have here is something more akin to a ‘control me’ syndrome. He appears to feel that her decision making and thought processes are superior to his own – and maybe he is right. Of course when you abandon your responsibility for making decisions to someone else that gives you the opportunity to blame them if things go wrong. In this case it appears that he reflects her agenda. It’s a unique situation I think where we have a ‘president’ who is such a control freak and a ‘vice-president’ who has abdicated control to another.
Of course, as with all of these ‘reports’, we have to be aware that we dont necessarily have the entire unbiased picture. But if the report is accurate then it is worrying for all of us – given that this man might become ‘president’ at any moment.
DCguy
Notice how every single fake screename on here is trying to use the same tactic?
They each lie and pretend the article is about a couple that likes to spend time with each other. No, it’s about a person who either thinks woman aren’t worthy of meeting with him without their being men there, or he feels that he is dangerous and likely to attack and rape them if they are alone together.
This is how you know that this one fake Account by a Log Cabin Troll and all of it’s screenames is just a simple knee jerk troll account that’s only job is to immediately get on any internet site to minimize any comments about the Trump Administration. My guess is if we tracked the IP addresses here they go back to a Macedonian or Siberian Bot farm.
fredo777
@am_psi Or, you know, maybe Mrs. Pence is so attached to her husband because she’s worried that he might be out scr*wing around himself.
captainburrito
If you dislike Pence you could take solace in the fact he never gets a moment’s peace from her. 😀
Wit
That’s true.
kayakriver
Hey Queerty, when are you going to report on the Muslim parents protesting a gay teacher in Berlin? Cause you know, Trump is Hitler and Muslims are wonderful for our equal rights, correct?
https://www.rt.com/news/382726-muslim-parents-berlin-preschool/
mhoffman953
I was meaning to mention this too but thought if I did then the usual suspects would claim I’m changing topics. I’m fairly certain that story won’t be covered on here
Mo Bro
Sssshhhh . . . it’s supposed to be a secret that Muslims want us dead . . . especially from gullible liberals who believe everything they’re told . . . now repeat after me:
Muslims love gays, and terrorist attacks are just evil Christians out to frame peaceful Muslims.
DCguy
Don’t you all love it when all of the fake screenames of the same person talk to each other?
And just pointing out, notice how when the comments about the Pence’s being a loving couple didn’t work to deflect the trolls then try to scream “MUSLIMS!”?
It’s literally their only go to at this point.
whatsaywhat
Why is everyone tiptoeing around the obvious: HE’S A CLOSET CASE!
PretenderNX01
For real, I’m sure Michelle Bachman has similar rules for her gay husband.
I don’t know any other GOP wives who are so controlling of their husband’s time. Even Nancy let Ronald have some alone time. :p
Wit
Jesus, what a couple of Jesus Freaks. Especially the dragon lady!
These are the absolute worst kind of christians because it’s always going to be their way or no way. Ever. Period. Every last damn one of them in this crazy cult should’ve been thrown to the lions 2,000 years ago.
Kangol
She sounds like a control freak but their marriage is their business. It’s his public anti-gay stands, his screwup that led to a spike in HIV cases, and his support for the Traitor-in-Chief Drumpf that I have a problem with, not his Mother-Son relationship with his wife!
tdnte
exactly.
Herman75
Ting…ting. Ting…tinnnnnnnnnnnggggggg
Shannon1981
They are creepy as hell. Know what I think? He’s a closet case and she knows it. That’s why he isn’t allowed to stray too far. I bet she caught him giving in to his “urges” once, and she’s making sure he doesn’t have the chance to do it again.
And the “mother” thing is just the icing in this very weird and creepy cake.
tdnte
This is actually not that unusual to me. Apart from the homophobia stuff it seems sorta nice. I have never seen my Dad in a vehicle or really alone with women that aren’t my mother, maybe the gardener or the cleaner but not really. This article isn’t really saying anything of use.
Billy Budd
Only a very powerful closet case could call his wife MOTHER. Imagine them having sex, for Christ sake.
Mo Bro
Liberal Logic 101:
Clintons = Timeless Love Story (despite multiple infidelities)
Weiners = Love Conquers All (despite multiple infidelities)
Pences = Sick Depraved Weirdos (for dining together)
DCguy
Wow, 4 of your different screenames trying the same tactic. You couldn’t deflect the conversation after the first posting? Hmmmm, Putin isn’t going to be happy with you, your check in Rubles may be a little bit smaller this month.
DCguy
One of the MANY ways right wing Republican bigots and Radical Islamic Clerics are EXACTLY the same.
Mike Pence can’t be in a room where there are women but no other men, why not? Will he attack them? Is adultery assumed to happen in that situation? So in other words, keep women away. Women should be disallowed from meeting with the VP or other things because of his control issues.
Radical Clerics, Women must be covered, otherwise they entice men. Once again, women’s lives need to be subjugated because men aren’t responsible for anything.
It’s funny that the anti-lgbt Log Cabin troll with multiple screenames keeps screaming about Muslims because RAdical Clerics have the exact same beliefs as Right wing Republicans.
They don’t hate Radical Islam because they disagree with it. The GOP hates radical Islam because their the same and the GOP sees it as competition.
natekerchel
Mo BRo, mhoffman, kayakriver – yet again you make accusations and just outright lie. I personally try not to be rude to anyone on here however much I disagree with them. But you people will say anything regardless of the truth. I realize you have difficulty in reading more than a few words at a time Mo Bro so I will be as brief as possible.
1. This topic is about Pence and his wife – that is just a fact which even you lot can’t deny or twist
2. I have not seen anyone on this site claim at any time the Clintons had a timeless love story’ – so unless you can show where you read that then I say you are lying.
3. I have never read on here anyone say that Muslims loves gays – so ditto the above – prove what you claim
4. I have never read on here christians being accused of framing Muslims for anything – again – prove what you claim.
These things things should be easy for you to prove. If you can’t then please stop lying and distorting reality. And try to control your natural desire to be rude to people who disagree with you. I challenge what you claim – I am not personally rude.
DMRX
Not that I’m trying to defend the vice-jackass-in-chief, but a couple of things:
That’s quite a stretch saying all these conditions on their marriage are forced by her. The original article about this didn’t push that angle at all. It’s obviously a joint decision between the two of them. I’ve known of many couples who operated this way, especially when one or both of them held highly-visible jobs. It’s about self-protection from malicious accusations — not about a lack of trust within the marriage.
On his calling her “mother”:
Many families do such things as terms of endearment. In my fiance’s family, everyone regularly refers to his parents using the nicknames that the grandchild has always called them, as my family did when my parents were living. Not weird. And definitely not sexual.
I get the trump and pence bashing – and enjoy most of it. They’ve definitely brought it upon themselves, but come on, Graham. This whole article was a stretch. The original article actually just paints a picture of a loving and supportive spouse, something we should all be so lucky to have. Maybe you should reread it (without your hate goggles this time).
DCguy
No, the original aticle stated that pence wouldn’t be in a room with another woman. So explain this to me. Since agency heads need to have quiet meetings with people in the administration, such as the VP, Pence refusing to meet with a woman means that they aren’t going to appoint a woman to be head of any agency or group that would need to have meetings with the VP.
mhoffman953
@DCguy
Actually the original article says, “In 2002, Mike Pence told the Hill that he never eats alone with a woman other than his wife”. I don’t see how that is weird. Do you want him to be having a private dinner with a woman other than his wife? Did your dad ever take a woman out to dinner (not work related) while your mom stayed at home with you?
It never said he won’t have private job related meetings with women. As governor of Indiana, he had women in the cabinet. Even as Vice President there have been numerous meeting at the White House of women in business where Mike Pence has attended without his wife.
Plus there are women heading agencies in our government right now. Linda McMahon heads the SMA, Betsy DeVos is the Secretary of Education, and Elaine Chao is the Secretary of Transportation. To say women won’t be appointed “to be head of any agency” is false as I pointed out in the previous sentence that women already have been appointed and confirmed to their roles heading those agencies.
natekerchel
For most normal people it is weird. People have friends and colleagues – they eat lunch or sometimes dinner with them. My partner would not expect me to not have a meal with a male friend or colleague just because he is not there. I regularly go for meals or to a concert with male friends. I have friends who are primarily my friends a and my partner has friends who are primarily his friends. Sometimes we all get together and sometimes we go out separately – that is called a healthy adult relationship.
Mama Zebra
I’d call him “Henpecked”. His Wife (Mother) obviously feels insecure as she’s not that appealing whereas (although I don’t agree with ANY of his views) He’s not a bad looker.
1EqualityUSA
oh. It just flashed into me mind. Pence in a harness hanging from the ceiling, trying to remember his safe word.
1EqualityUSA
Mother’s Day must be a conundrum for the man.
Doug
Sounds just like the Reagans. He called her “Mommy” and she was in control of everything he did. Pence will be our President very soon, and he knows it.
Neonegro
I love how the teenage girls constant refrain is that “one person is using several names” because ” we homos are all high pitched, limp wrist Bette Davis, Cher, Madona and Hillary followers” ” we would never have different points of view”
Follow the pink agenda or you are a troll, a fake…….lol…lol so sad
iggy6666
Yah. This multiple screen name witch hunt is getting quite pathetic and almost embarrassing
But why did I even reply to you!!! After all we’re the SAME PERSON………..
I’m not even protrump, the guys a joke! It’s rather quite annoying people with the biggest roar for equality are denying others the simply luxury of commenting.
jckfmsincty
He sounds completely whipped.
Sluggo2007
He’s married to Supertwat!!!