The response gay porn studio CorbinFisher.com gives — when slapped with criticism that its potential lawsuits against illegal filesharers will out closeted gay teens and subject them to violent households, suicide attempts, and other horrors — is that there’s barely any chance going after some 40,000 defendants could cause any serious harm. Kevin Farrell, the co-founder of UnicornBooty.com, which like Queerty has been covering CF’s intentions, counters: You’re really fucking wrong, because I almost took my own life when my parents found gay porn on my computer.
Kevin was 12 when X-rated gay smut was discovered on his computer. His parents weren’t pleased with his “nasty” habit. A week later, they kicked him out. He’s spoken to them three times in the 15 years since. He moved in with his aunt, and again at age 16 his cousin discovered gay porn on the family computer. Kevin was pummeled by his cousin. His aunt kicked him out. He became homeless, attempted suicide, all because gay porn was discovered on his computer.
CorbinFisher.com’s attorney Marc Randazza, when told how harmful the company’s lawsuits could be for gay youth, says the “thieving little shit who gets caught can very easily lie to his parents that he was looking at straight porn.” We already pointed out how, legally speaking, that’s just impossible. Now let’s see how Randazza, writing In December about copyright in the porn industry, appears to contradict the very strategy he and CF are undertaking:
Today, porn companies are embracing mass copyright-infringement lawsuits, usually with studios filing suit against several thousand anonymous defendants at once. Paul Levy, an attorney for the Public Citizen Litigation Group (another guardian of liberty himself), and the Electronic Frontier Foundation (ditto) have come out publicly against these suits. Levy concerns and the EFF’s center on the difficulty of treating each case individually when filing a mass action, the likelihood of getting a quick — and unethical — settlement due to the embarrassment some associate with pornography, and the inequity of filing suit wherever a studio’s attorneys are located rather than where the harm occurred. In Levy’s words, if “you want to sue for copyright infringement, do it right.”
I respectfully disagree with Levy on some points, but his overall point, to “do it right,” is precisely correct. His concerns are well taken, and they should not be ignored. While the porn industry does need to step up its efforts to combat piracy, and it should not tie one hand behind its back when doing so, it should take Levy’s criticism as the voice of a philosophical ally — the industry’s conscience, if you will. The industry can keep its soul intact while protecting its bottom line.
I have yet to see where Randazza is working to maintain the porn industry’s “soul” with these potential lawsuits, but maybe I just missed it.
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The company’s COO Brian Dunlap, meanwhile, writes in an email to The Sword (NSFW):
I’d challenge you to read through the posts by UnicornBooty, Queerty et al and find a single instance in which the authors of those pieces introduced anything more than their own assumptions. The Queerty ones are particularly interesting. Note the title of their first piece: “Will Corbin Fisher’s Gay Porn Piracy Crackdown Inevitably Out Gay Teens?” Fair enough to ask the question. We’ve compiled ample evidence to suggest it will not (and I acknowledge that there are no absolute certainties in any situation, really, but I’d say those proposing that idea have as much of an obligation to back up their assumptions as we do. Instead, they seem to have been granted the luxury of throwing out no more than speculation and that’s that). Note Queerty’s second title in the piece that followed that first one…”Hey Gay Teen Porn Pirates: Got $1900? You Can Avoid Being Outed.” I’m sorry…but at what point did they establish there were assuredly gay teens involved? It’s awfully convenient they can pose a question, and then answer it definitively without having offered up any proof or evidence in the interim. I’m convinced they just saw how much attention the first piece got and so chose to amp up the rhetoric and score even more attention the second time around with a more damning title.
But Kevin’s account gives a face to the inevitable outcome of these lawsuits: an untold number of kids — almost all of whom we will never hear about — will be violently attacked by their loved ones, kicked out of their homes, and possibly take their own lives. Sure, maybe some parents will use the opportunity of their kid being sued as a chance to have an open, honest, and warm conversation about their son’s sexuality when the court papers arrive. And sure, Corbin Fisher has every legal right to defend its intellectual property and keep its business afloat. And sure, that’s a lot of “ifs” in our argument. Except CorbinFisher’s argument rests on some bizarre claim that their lawsuits won’t do any harm.
Simply, that’s an impossible position to take.
Knowingly and ignorantly contributing to the misfortune of young gay kids is morally atrocious.
Says Kevin: “I’m not making assumptions about the dangerous road your company has set out on. I am living proof that you’re making a horrible mistake. It’s not too late to abandon the course you’re on and address the problem rather than the symptoms. If you don’t want people stealing your content, up your security measures. What about a watermark that has the user’s ID in the corner under your logo, so that people know they will be identified if they share? UB readers have pointed out that very specific technologies exist that will put an end the problem you are having. A campaign of lawsuits coupled with callous comments and sloppily handled PR is hardly the answer.”
Meanwhile, not only is Corbin Fisher’s legal strategy harmful to closeted gay Americans, but it may be wholly flawed: This month a similar fishing expedition, where plaintiffs sued 40,000 John Does over illegal peer-to-peer/BitTorrent file sharing, was dismissed. None of this means CF doesn’t have a right to go after illegal filesharers. But let’s allow cooler heads to prevail, and find a more reasonable way to protect the company’s business assets — which I’m sure many Queerty readers regularly pay for — and closeted gay kids.
Cam
His parents threw a 12 year old out of the house?! They should have been jailed for child neglect and endangerment! Assholes.
Johnson
Watching porn at 12? Really, I’m supposed to believe that?
Shannon1981
Well I didn’t realize it was legal to throw a 12 year old out of the house, but, 15 years ago, gays had NO RIGHTS, so I am pretty sure all it would take is to throw that monkey wrench in. The point is, outing people is a big deal, and never acceptable, no matter the reason, especially with children. The consequences are often grave and dire. There is simply no excuse for that.
Exceedingly Strange
You do recognize, I hope, how exceedingly strange is your argument.
Accept as given that if owners of copyrights in porn enforce their copyrights and seek damages, they will seek damages in some instances against underage violators, some of whom might live in families in which the repercussions of the porn-watching and copyright-violating behavior will not be pleasant. OK. Given.
But even if the end result is kids getting kicked out of houses, or suicide attempts, it is deeply odd (and shows a deep failure to understand the concept of personal responsibility) to suggest that the proximate cause of the bad results is the copyright owner enforcing his copyright. Why would you not declare the proximate cause to be (1) the copyright-violating behavior itself; or (2) the un-lovely parental response; or (3) the unstable response of the copyright-violating minor to the un-lovely parental response? All of these seem better candidates for blame than a copyright holder enforcing a valid, legal copyright.
More to the point, if you’re going to abandon the basic tenant of personal responsibility, why not go one step further? Why not declare that it is access to and the availability of pornography itself which is the cause of these bad results? Why not use these potential tragedies as a platform for calling to a ban on pornography itself? Porn is, of course, quite legal — but so is a porn producer’s protection of its copyrighted material.
If the religious right or the feminist left deployed this argument as a reason for banning porn altogether, you would surely object mightily. But the reasoning supporting it is indistinguishable from your reasoning.
Jack E. Jett
Look, at this point, any porn expert would be a fool to purchase any shit from this porn actor. There is NO shortage of cute guys in porn. Tons with much bigger dicks than this dudette. And in this economy…..much of it is FREE.
To put it blunt, there are bigger fishers in the pond.
Francis
What a horrible story. Shows you first of all, how far we’ve come in just 15 years that stories like this are less common, obviously. But it also shows that there is a definite risk involved in kids being forcibly outed in this fashion. We can discuss personal responsibility, and taking account for ones’ actions. We can discuss why this (kids being outed) is an issue at all. But the fact is, many closeted kids/teens, they do things that are risky. And potentially dangerous. Secretive. I’m not going to go out on a limb and say they deserve what is coming to them. They are kids. They made a mistake in judgment, that’s what kids do. However, their very livelihoods are potentially on the line. That is what NEEDS to come first. They shouldn’t be targeted like they have been.
Jamie
So, having been tragically thrown out of his home at age 12 for viewing gay porn, what does he do next? Why, move in with a relative and watch gay porn on the family computer! But it’s all Corbin Fisher’s (or any copyright holder’s) fault for being mean, mean, MEAN!
When did we add the right to view porn as an under-aged person to the Constitution? When did we dismiss not learning from your mistakes? When did we decide that prosecuting any crime that might out a gay kid should never, ever be considered?
The more important question, however, is how long will it be before the right wing picks up on this meme, and goes after the porn industry for not preventing under-aged kids from viewing their product?
alex
I’m 15 and I don;t know what to do. If i had all that money i would have paid them cuz i can’t deal with this. I jus wish they wud have given us another way to make this stop 🙁 this rly is the worse feeling ever.
PoopyJoe
I’ve spoken to several people who say they believe their parents will harm them either with physical violence or by throwing them out of the house if they’re outted with these law suits. One person I’ve spoken to already plans to commit suicide if he is outted.
PoopyJoe
@Jamie: Jamie, Corbin Fisher actually offers porn 100% for free and without any child safety guards via their Tumbler account. Dozens of full frontal XXX pictures for anyone to see without any “You must be 18 to view this”
yawn
Gay porn didn’t out him. He outed himself. Twice. Sure his story is sad, but I think it’s unfortunate he’s chosen to blame someone else for it all. I guess it does show us why he has such an agenda about all this. But I don’t see how gay porn was responsible for it at all, or how it relates to this situation. If he’s arguing that porn being out there on the internet is going to lead to issues like that (and he didn’t get caught through a lawsuit or anything, he just got busted on his own) is he trying to argue that all porn be made illegal or that porn companies just shut themselves down?
I have a feeling his family would have kicked himself out if they found Queerty in his browser history also. Screwed up family. Sad story but kind of irrelevant.
Jamie
@PoopyJoe: So? What’s your point? That CF gives away content means they shouldn’t be paid whatever they want to charge for any content? That if they give some away they have no right to expect a return on anything? Or, that if they give anything away they have no recourse against under-aged copyright infringers?
Chris
@PoopyJoe: If you know that this might happen. You should really do something about it. Get that kid some help. Suicide is not the answer. If he/she is outted, help them deal with the consequences. If you are unwilling to help, there are people who will.
Torquemada
@Jamie:
You have “Gay Porn White Knight Syndrome”??
Thought so.
Why don’t you tell everyone here of your monetary stake in all of this, be honest, it’s liberating.
Francis
Help them deal with the consequences, Chris? No, the actual answer is not to put these kids in this situation in the first place. For you to make it seem as if the kid is the one who has problems is ridiculous. The problem is this Randazza creep. And as I’ve seen SEVERAL people now state, they have talked to people, adults and kids, who are in potentially volatile situations if they are forcibly outed. We are putting lives in harms way for what, some money? Is money really worth lives? How can anyone defend these actions, I don’t know. Lastly, to say looking at porn=outing yourself is ridiculous.
Riker
@Jamie: Have you ever tried to keep a horny teenage boy away from porn? Harder than you think (no pun intended). All those raging hormones contribute to a lack of self-control on that particular issue.
~PR~
@Johnson: when I was 8 I would look at the back of a movie magazine my parents recieved… it featured a gay porn section that had photos of some of the covers. Granted, then I wasn’t exactly sure what it meant, but I was intrigued by it and would looka t the back of every catolog like that we got. So, yes it is possible. Believe it if you want to, or don’t: it isn’t your life anyway.
Dayton
According to Corbin Fisher, their donations to Equality Florida or Equality California justify their disgusting “amnesty”/extortion deal.
They probably figure a few dead gay kids is just a little collateral damage to getting some of their supposed lost revenue back. Then they can make a donation to the Trevor Project to make it all better.
These truly are horrendous human beings.
Francis
These idiots are just that, anyway. First of all, their case is going to get thrown out. This isn’t a legitimate case whatsoever, the whole 40000 names bullshit, or individually suing 40000 people. So if you are a closeted gay/bi/curious person out there, don’t fret too much. Secondly, they are losing business in a HUGE way since the news of their actions got out. Thirdly, they have proven they don’t give one iota of a damn about their customers, only their money. Randazza, doesn’t he define himself as straight? These are “heterosexuals” who are using and abusing gay folk. Boycott Corbin Fisher. These people are liars and extortionists.
Charlie
OK Queerty what’s your solution? How does CF protect their Copyrighted material and also save the lives of gay teens?
Frank
I ordered gay porn through the mail when I was 14. All I had to do was sign a statement that said I was over 21 and I got it. I knew it was wrong, but I was a kid and desperate to find any kind of outlet for my budding homosexuality. If I had been outed at the time in my life, I don’t know what I would have done. A boy having to explain to his dad why he’s getting sued for downloading straight most likely would be considered a case of boys being boys, but having to explain gay porn? I have a hard time believing this would end for some kids.
Shannon
Then STOP using other peoples ‘puters for gay porn!!
Jamie
@Torquemada: What is “Gay Porn White Knight Syndrome?” Is it the part about wanting to be paid for my work? Or is it the part about keeping children from viewing my work? Or is it the part about not wanting to be held somehow accountable when thieves stealing my work (or any porn) and get caught?
DJ
@Johnson: Yeah that’s about right. I got into porn at about 12.
The only lesson I’ve learned from this is not to not download CF or subscribe to their site when I become of age. But I will continue to stream their shit from free sites just to spite them. 🙂 Yay free porn! lol
Yawn
@DJ:
And I suppose, like Queerty and UnicornBooty, you will blame someone else if you get caught. UB’s title (and Queerty) shows a flair for dishonesty, misdirection, deflection and self-victimization. How he faults “gay porn” for his experience is beyond me. Himself, his nutty family, himself again, and his nutty extended family are really the only active participants in it all. It’s a tragic story but one that, only through a lack of sound logic, could ever lead anyone to think porn is at fault. I guess it explains why UB has some issues but beyond that is pretty meaningless.
Ronin
Let’s not forget…
It’s not just a kid or older person having to explain why they were watching gay porn…. they would also be slapped with a 4-6 figure lawsuit and they could make newspaper and local headlines ( for something most people this generation didn’t really even consider illegal)…
It’s obvious Corbin Fisher feels they have been damaged by these “40,000” file-sharers, and now they want to do damage back. The question is … will it be worth it?
B
No. 8 · alex wrote, “I’m 15 and I don;t know what to do.”
The first thing to do is to read http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/dmca_hotsec08.pdf (don’t worry if you don’t understand it
very well – the authors are graduate students or professors at a university). Depending on your situation, it could provide you with a very solid legal defense if someone goes after you.
If you get sued, be sure to show this paper to your lawyer. It shows how they ended up with take-down notices implicating a printer and other innocuous electronic devices. As of the time the paper was written, nobody had gotten around to filing a lawsuit against the printer or sending it a threatening letter.
It appears that the technique currently used to identify people is flaky and can lead to “false positives” (identifying an innocent person). It is also very easy to frame someone.
iluzionist54
“Is money really worth lives?”
Seems to me that the answer is clear (at least for CF and some of people commenting here): YES, as long the life is YOUR and money is MINE !!!
And is the fish responsible to find itself in the net? YES, of course. For one, it should not be there where the FISHER drops the net, right? And for two, it could escape while the net was closing. SO, it’s entirely fish’s fault being caught !!!
Who cares about “little shits”? Or, more precisely, who cares about YOU F*CKING F*G shits?
As once I was told with the sneer: “You got to be fast! It’s America!”
Steve
I don’t know why we’re still on this. Moral implications aside, the logical and economic flaws of Corbin Fisher’s suing tactics are enough to tell you that they aren’t going to go through with 40,000 lawsuits.
Okay, should people steal porn? Absolutely not. But going after 40,000 people is not the way to handle it. If you don’t kill the source, then you don’t kill the problem. CF’s ignorance to this extremely simple fact will be the death of them, and by now, all I want is for that company to die and for all this bullshit to go away.
The singing bumhole from Pink Flamingos
Let’s all sympathise with the porn company over the kids who’ll end up killing themselves!
Oh no, hold on… we’re human beings aren’t we?
Well, some of us are x
~PR~
@Yawn: You keep rehashing the same sentiments. You live up to your user name well.
I do agree with you to a degree: the material is copyright protected thus, its unauthorized use is illegal. Still, when a possibility such as the one presents itself, there is a decent thing to do and CF is not doing it. Thus, when they are tagged with labels like anti-gay and greedy-bastards, the label rings true, regardless if they are acing in the best interest of their own pocketbook.
Still, there is no obligation for CF to do the “right” thing, so arguing about it is really pointless. If they do actually care about their clientel (which indications seem to point to it slimming in light of this fiasco, but I don’t know the details, nor do I care to know them) they’ll work something out that wouldn’t have the same potential impact their current course of action is ominously foreshadowing. Sure, if a few kids kill themselves, their blood won’t really be on CF’s hands but if their blood isn’t on CF’s conscience then CF really is another corperate pig out for nothing but the money.
Pip
I think we should just boy cot Corbin Fisher until they go out of business.
DJ
@Yawn: I’ve been caught with gay porn on a few occasions. My parents already know I’m gay they just deny the hell out of it. It was no one else’s fault but mine when I got caught and I take full responsibility for it. But just like any other teenage boy (gay or straight) I was curious and horny. I don’t see anything wrong with looking at porn. At least I’m not out having sex like other teenagers.
PoopyJoe
@Jamie: No, my point is they’re providing porn without requiring age verification.
PoopyJoe
@Chris: Chris, the people I’ve talked to have been over the internet. I don’t know them personally. I have no idea where they live. Therefore, I cannot provide them help other than to say “Don’t kill yourself.”
yawn
I only really see evidence of CF being anti-pirate. Whoever ends up being one of those pirates is not really up to them. If my mom was busted with the stuff I wouldn’t call CF “anti-mom”. If Obama got caught with the stuff I wouldn’t say that’s proof CF are Republicans. With Unicornbooty’s example, I don’t see how gay porn outed him or was responsible for what happened after. At most, the gay porn was a passive participant in the events that unfolded. The only active participants were himself and his family. It could have been any number of things that led to those events (especially seeing how sadly intolerant his family was). It just so happened it was gay porn in his case, but goodness his family seems so unloving and even hateful countless other things would have resulted in the same. So his case was a sad one, but to blame it on gay porn is a bit of a stretch. Might as well blame it on his internet browser, computer, internet service provider, the manufacturer of the computer, or anyone else.
PoopyJoe
@Yawn: He’s not blaming gay porn for outting him and leading to all the bad stuff he talked about. I know it kind of sounds like that but I think he just worded poorly. What he’s saying is when parents find out about this stuff, bad stuff can happen. That’s all he’s saying.
Dayton
Corbin Fisher would be wise to follow this porn company’s lead. Rather than suing their customers, they are wising up to the new world we live in.
CF better hurry though. I have a feeling their fanbase is dwindling the longer this story has legs.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20035561-261.html
yawn
@PoopyJoe:
“I Tried to Kill Myself After Gay Porn Outed Me”? Pretty obvious who he’s blaming there. His entire pity piece is about how gay porn does in fact out people, and those people go on to try and kill themselves.
I don’t wanna take away from what a sad story it is. It is sad. But his anger is misdirected, I think. Gay porn didn’t out him. He outed himself (and i don’t blame him for that. He was 12 years old. When it happened again at 16 I’d say he was a bit more at fault but still). He was 12 and did something silly, but hey let’s say no one was at fault at all for that. Just bad luck. But certainly it wasn’t porn’s fault. Judging by his family, a Boy George CD woulda done it. The men’s underwear section of a JC Penney catalog woulda done it.
PoopyJoe
@yawn: I told you, it was worded poorly.
He’s not blaming gay porn for outting people. He’s saying that for some parents, when they discover their son has been looking at gay porn it can cause a very negative reaction. Worse than looking at Queety or Unicorn Booty. People are very reactive when it comes to seeing two people of the same sex doing anything together. Especially when those two people are of the same sex.
He’s not saying gay porn is this being whose mission is to out people.
The singing bumhole from Pink Flamingos
@Dayton: So true.
~PR~
@yawn: Yes, yes. You cannot blame gay porn. BUT you can blame the gay porn company that is going to turn around and INTENTIONALLY put this information in parents hands! THAT IS THE ISSUE. The kids that engage are totally at fault (though it certainly raises questions about methods of age verification, yes?) BUT this situation is not the same as the situation mentioned. His porn was discovered on the computer. The lawsuit will bystep that and put the information directly in parents hands. That is where the concern for the young porn pirates is coming from. Anyone blaming porn in itself is wrong. Blame who should be blamed. The transgressors. But in this case, if the lawsuit is carried out, the fallout could be bad. And yet, all you can say is “blah, blah blame and blah, blah rights!” It’s the same shit repeated in different attacks.
Where I a judge and this case came before me and I saw that a slew of the defendants were teenagers, sure as hell I’d be coming down extra hard on the company that has obvious shortcomings in its methods of ensuring the viewers of its content are of mature age.
yawn
@~PR~:
“Where I a judge and this case came before me and I saw that a slew of the defendants were teenagers, sure as hell I’d be coming down extra hard on the company that has obvious shortcomings in its methods of ensuring the viewers of its content are of mature age.”
i.e. the torrent companies?
Adonis-of-Fire
Poor guy, he is adorable and sweet
If I was him I would have killed his parents
Make it appear an accident of course, so I can receive the insurance money
Evan
@Johnson: What, I was too. What 12-year-old wouldn’t, given the opportunity?
David
The Corbin Fisher apologists at The Sword are at it again. They don’t buy Mr. Farrell’s story and suggest he is lying.
RedAssault
Oh cry me a fucking river.
He got kicked out of the house at 12 for downloading porn. Yeah, kids do stupid things and he had bad parents.
But then 4 years later he didn’t learn his lesson and did it again?
This is like a teenager blaming General Motors because he stole a car twice and crashed it both times.
Sorry, but porn isn’t for kids, he shouldn’t have been looking at it and he probably should have learned the first time he life fell apart.
RedAssault
I’m starting to think that the owners of Queerty have been downloading a lot of Corbin Fisher porn from Torrents and are afraid of million-dollar law suits.
Kids do stupid shit all the time. It doesn’t mean that companies should just let their movies be pirated.
Torquemada
@RedAssault:
Equating stealing a car with someone downloading a porn video? What planet are you residing on?
You must be so old that you don’t remember what it was like being 12. Thee subltle pleasure you seem to get from the pain children have gon through is VERY alarming.
Seek some help
Torquemada
@RedAssault:
So now anyone covering the story or concerned has an ulterior motive?
You really need help, with the dark way your mind works, your life must be miserable and unsatisfying.
Jon
@RedAssault: I agree with you 100%.
Plus I question this story, as 15 years ago was 1996…gay porn on the internet was still in its infancy…I don’t recall there being a lot if any free porn on the internet back then (Trust me, i used to look for it). The kid would have likely had to use a credit card to pay for it. Where did he get a credit card? Maybe he was stealing from his parents, that’s why they threw him out…just a guess.
Torquemada
@Jon:
lol chichilarues? the same one who teamed up with CF and Titan? yeah, your view is really unbiased.
another who has a financial stake in this.
nice try though
Andy
What is the harm in teens copying (not stealing, let’s get this straight) porn they couldn’t afford in the first place?
Francis
“Porn isn’t for kids.” Maybe, maybe not, but here’s the thing. Porn is one of the main outlets gay/bi/curious kids have to actually discover and figure out their sexuality. That is something that some people are seemingly either ignoring or not realizing. Kids look at porn. That’s a simple reality of the situation. We are now putting lives on the line for material possessions. And to say that “OMG, the guy is lying, he was kicked out for stealing, his family kicked him out cause he’s stupid, blah blah blah” is so ridiculous. Typical blame the victim mentality, which is what people resort to when they need to justify their mentality and actions to themselves.
Casey
Gay people are too stupid to boycott anything – ESPECIALLY PORN.
yawn
The Sword did have an interesting link.
borngaybornthisway DOT blogspot DOT com FORWARDSLASH 2011 FORWARDSLASH 01 FORWARDSLASH kevin UNDERSCORE 13 DOT html
Mentions that he is still in touch with aunts and uncles and they still tease him over his She-Ra obsession (which he seems to mention in passing and in a joking way about how funny it is).
I sure hope he’s not making up the story to try and get a leg up in the discussion.
And really it all came down to just failing to delete his browser history. If his family was that caveman-ish and mean, I have a hard time believing porn alone would have resulted in that. Too many Joey Lawrence sites would have done it. Maybe he was kicked out for running up a huge internet charge (wasn’t AOL by the minute back then?). Hell even if there was free porn back then who could afford to stay online long enough to look at it?
What kind of worries me are how people are all climbing aboard the victim train (even people who claim to be teens among the commenters here saying it’s all CF’s fault while bragging about how they will continue to download porn illegally). Or people at unicornbooty claiming to be teens, then saying it’s the economy’s fault they access porn illegally. I think we all agree teens should not access porn. I think we also all agree many will do it anyways. But what I don’t get is how people then blame the porn company who is really the only one trying really hard to keep it all out of teens hands in the first place.
yawn
@Francis:
I should hope we don’t blame anyone except for his fucked up parents. He’s suggesting porn is at fault. He certainly did some stupid things (second time around. First time was excusable) but hey, he was a kid. I don’t blame him, though (I would blame some of the “teens” who have commented here who say they gladly download porn and don’t care). But I also don’t blame the porn companies, like he’s wanting to do.
Adam
Anyone who takes at face value the opinions expressed by the so called website The Sword (which is payed by the porn companies) and Chi Chi La Rue, who has a stake in all of this, is an imbecile.
I really wish the Right Wingers would pick on this story (Gay porn companies cause children to kill themselves) and put an end to this nonsense (the gay porn industry) once and for all.
yawn
@Adam:
ohhh kayyyy lol well word of advice: when you wanna team up with the Right Wing on a gay life issue, it’s your point of view that deserves to be called in to question. I suppose if they did have their way there would def be no gay teen suicides because there’d be no gay teens!
Dave
Here’s another issue. Many of those 40,000 are going to be people who had their wireless router left completely unsecured by their Internet provider or by their own lack of computer knowledge when they set it up on their own, and their neighbor was the one who used their Internet account to download the Corbin Fisher porn.
Why should those people suffer both financially and socially for what someone else did? There will be kids who try to kill themselves and husbands who lose their marriage over what their neighbor did.
Marcus
It would be one thing for CF to say “For those that don’t know, file sharing is completely illegal.. we are losing too much money from piracy, and from this point on we will be collecting ip addresses and issuing subpoenas to those who wish to still fileshare.
Instead… they’ve basically said “Ha ha bitches…. we’ve caught 40,000 of you file sharing…. you may or may not be on this list… but you can pay us $1,000. If you don’t… good luck and expect a lawsuit in the mail.
That’s not gonna end well for CF or anybody else.
Regardless,
amnesty officially ends tomorrow… it’s gonna be very interesting to see what CF has to say next.
PoopyJoe
@Jon: Jon you must be incredibly stupid if you think you couldn’t get gay porn on the internet in 1996 without a credit card. Hell, all I had to do was go into AOL chat rooms and guys would e-mail me pictures of their dick. And I was about 12 or 13 at the time too.
PoopyJoe
@Adam: It’s not surprising that the Sword was in favor of Corbin Fisher. Corbin Fisher is probably a sponsor.
RedAssault
@Torquemada: No, I’m not equating stealing a car with downloading a porn video but I AM suggesting that “he paid a huge price for doing it once and did it again anyway and seems to be saying that he should have been let off the hook for that.”
RedAssault
@Jon: I hadn’t even thought of how not a lot of 12 year olds had access to the internet let alone knew how to get onto the Usenet where one generally had to go for porn of any kind.
Judd
This case will go nowhere, and CF and the lawyer know it. Just this past week the Electronic Frontier Foundation reported that over 40,000 unnamed defendants cases were severed by the courts, effectively dismissing those cases. If the plaintiffs want to refile they will now have to do so against individual defendants.
In a recent decision in Texas severing over 1300 defendants the judge wrote: “There are no allegations in Plaintiff’s Complaint that the Defendants are in any way related to each other, or that they acted in concert or as a group in their allegedly infringing actions… Indeed, it seems that the copyright infringement claim against each Defendant is based on the individual acts of each Defendant.”
Similar decision have been reached in West Virginia, Illinois and California. The attorney knows this case will be severed and he’s just hoping for a quick settlement before that happens his subpoenas are squashed.
michael
A porno at 12? You get kicked out of your house, your aunt takes you in, and you get kicked out of her house for porn? I have to assume your aunt was oblivious as to why your parents kicked you out. But then again, maybe not. What were the mutual conditions/rules when you moved in? Porn or no porn? Must have been no porn.
Francis
@yawn: His parents are the most to blame, obviously, their reaction is insanity and hate. With that said, this guy didn’t mean to say gay porn=bad. He was saying gay porn led to him being outed, which led to him being kicked out of his house. Also, 4 years later is a long time. Why would he expect to be discriminated against again? He’s 16, he’s learning and figuring things out, and exploring. Repression at that age is unhealthy. Lastly, it isn’t hard to go onto a porn site at under 18. I know I did, I was big into SeanCody and CorbinFisher in Middle school even. The bottom line with all of this is, this lawsuit isn’t going anywhere. However, the actions of these creeps at Corbin Fisher (Lowderman, Randazza etc.) are unacceptable. They have proven they care about nothing but money, and will lie about anything and will extort and will go all lengths to make it. They are complete and utter scumbags.
merkin
What if a gay teen shoplifts a porn mag from a bookstore (as I did when I was 16) and gets caught (which I wasnt). Should the store owner let the kid go because theoretically the kids parents could freak out and theoretically the kid could commit suicide. (That would also include Out magazine, skinny jeans, Miley Cyrus CDs, and a host of other items that would tip parents off their kids were queer)
Of course, a straight teen getting caught with porn could have parents overreact, leading THEM to commit suicide. And really a teen could have parents who flip out for any crime they get caught committing. So teens shouldnt be prosecuted for ANYTHING really, because their fragile egos could be shattered by asshole parents and they could attempt suicide.
This whole Corbin Fisher crusade is such bullshit whipped up by Queerty to make it seem more insightful and issue-oriented. You’re not HuffPo or Salon or even Towleroad, so give it up.
McMike
Sorry, but this guy is full of shite.
1) He’s 12 and looking at gay porn on his computer in 1995. Sure.
2) His parents kicked him out when he was 12. Sure.
3) At 16 it happens all over again. Sure.
4) There are cut-aways which is the NUMBER ONE CLUE it’s not real.
5) He keeps restating the same to emphasize the points on his agenda.
I don’t buy this for a second.
Don’t you think you might be a little bit more distraught about the whole situation if you’ve only talked to your family three times in the past 15 years.
Usually gay guys are smarter than this but the only thing everything in this video adds up to is complete bullshite.
McMike
btw, if you’re a teenager that’s dumb enough to illegally download porn from Corbin when there’s endless FREE porn out there than being outed to your family is the least of your worries because the biggest problem you have is you’re a dumb motherf*cker.
Mack Robertson
There are so many issues here, that I honestly don’t see a solution. I was buying and ordering gay porn when I was 16. My hormones were raging. I bought and bought. I knew I could not let my parents know; so, I rented a safety deposit box and began to store it there. It got to the point I could barely pull the box out. Regardless, nothing was going to keep me from continuing to buy porn, legally or illegally. I went on a student exchange program at an early age in college. All I could think of was what would happen if the plane crashed, and my parents’ pulled out the box, and it would virtually explode in their face with porn. I retrieved the entire contents of the box, took it out to a cotton field, poured gasoline over it, and burned it. To this day, I regret that. My point is that young guys who are gay, and I’m sure straight, take many risks to get porn, and will continue to do forever. My parents,very fortunately, accepted me, and now we laugh about it. I only wish that could be true for all GLBTQ people.
Dayton
@McMike: You’re a regular Jessica Fletcher, aintcha!
yawn
@Mack Robertson:
Glad things worked out for you.
What I think is sad here is that it’s all distracting from those really responsible. If unicorn booty’s family was so messed up, that’s their problem. I suspect they would have reacted the same way if he’d just decided to come out and tell them he was gay, or brought his boyfriend home to meet them, or told them he was taking a boy to the homecoming dance, or read an e-mail or IM they weren’t supposed to, or found a drawer full of sexy Corey Haim pictures. He was 1990s, right?
I hope I’m wrong in thinking he has this kind of chip on his shoulder about porn now and almost feels like he has to have some kind of vendetta against it. I just can’t get over the title of that latest article. When I read it I think, “Does he really believe that?!” It’s kind of crazy. And if he’s just trying to be dramatic with the title and purposefully overdo it, that’s not good either. Makes you wonder how seriously he really takes the issue. “I Tried to Kill Myself After Gay Porn Outed Me”. It’s dishonest. Kinda drama queeny. Many of us had rough experiences as kids but it doesn’t give us carte blanche to be dicks to everyone else for the rest of our lives or hold irrational grudges.
Chris
I love it how all these people just assume Kevin Farrell is lying. I for one don’t know him or know if his story is true or not but everybody else here seems to think they know Kevin Farrell life story like you were there when it happen. I also love it when all these cowards who criticize this guy isn’t even man enough to write their real name in. You guys are smart, bravo you know everything
Benji
@Johnson: O. M. G. WHO HASN’T LOOKED AT PORN AT 12 YEARS OLD? GET A GRIP! WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE INTERNET WHEN I WAS 12, BUT I SURELY LOOKED AT MY & MY FRIENDS PARENTS’ PORN MAGS! In fact, I was so afraid of being outed when I was 17, I stole gay porn mags once. Even if I had been old enough, I would not have wanted the cashier to see what I was getting.
Benji
#76 WAS A REPLY TO #2 JOHNSON
yawn
@Chris:
Personally I don’t have a problem with his story (there are some odd bits about it but oh well).
I think the dishonesty comes in with the conclusions he draws from it and the title he gives it. And I think if he puts himself out there and tries to sway an argument in his favor with his personal story, he opens his personal story and himself up to scrutiny.
Jurlesia
Don’t all the employees of CF have anything better to do than troll the interwebs to reply to unflattering stories about their company? No matter how many responses they create, the great majority of the general public still undoubtedly sees them for the greedy, opportunistic, blackmailing scam artists that they are.
Belinda
@Jurlesia:
It’s not just CF employees, it’s other porn peddlers with a financial interest this.
All of them are pathetic opportunists, no better than your average drug dealer.
ryan
I love the implication, here. That porn companies should just supply their product for free, and to do otherwise is tantamount to manslaughter. Of course, the kid in the story (no more solid evidence than anecdotal evidence, amiright? ) didn’t get kicked out because an EVIL porn company sued him for stealing. He got kicked out because his parents discovered he had downloaded porn. So by this article’s “logic “, it’s the fact that porn exists that nearly killed this kid. So obviously we should ban porn from the internet! Who’s with me?! Children are at risk! Why do I suddenly hear crickets?
Gene
@McMike: I agree with you. hell i remember being the same age and looking up porn everywhere and i was smart enough to know i didnt want to be caught and to erase my tracks hide my stuff. and he got caught TWICE which make this even more unbelievable 1995 ok but 1999 really you cant get rid y=of your history… smh so like bull.
yawn
@ryan:
Ya it’s a stretch of logic at best. And I love how any who doesn’t join in is all of a sudden a pornographer themselves. Get over it people. Some just don’t agree with you!
lookyloo
C’mon..!!! Parents finding gay porn has been outing kids forever.
Pre-Internet, how many mom’s found gay porn mags in Junior’s room when he was a kid..?!?!?
Who gets blamed for that if Junior gets kicked out or suicides..?
Any computer using teen knows most filesharing is illegal. If they get busted by the likes of Corbin Fisher, it’s no different than them getting caught with shoplifted gay videos or magazines.
Jessica
@Johnson: I was watching porn at 12. Not everyone is vanilla and overly sheltered.
Michael
So a kid with no money copies (not ‘steals,’ that requires a physical object) some porn and greedy companies prefer to run roughshod over everything in order to get the almighty dollar.
This is no different from the MAFIAA, it just happens to be a gay porn company instead of Universal Pictures or Sony Records.
Keep downloading, keep sharing, keep copying, keep attacking them.
B
No. 69 · merkin wrote, “What if a gay teen shoplifts a porn mag from a bookstore (as I did when I was 16) and gets caught (which I wasnt).”
… how about a more accurate analogy; “What happens if a gay teen pulls out his iPhone, photographs the pictures from a porn magazine in a bookstore, and gets caught by the store owner?”
Hint: whatever happens, he will not be dragged down to the police station for shoplifting.
Jamie
@Michael: Well, professor, I guess we all stand corrected now. Oh, wait, it’s called COPYRIGHT and making COPIES is THEFT of intellectual property. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand that, since what you seem to be concerned with is stealing from pornographers, and not the legal protections afforded everyone by our copyright laws, one of the few actual material issues concretely identified and codified in our Constitution.
Of course, your last line really calls your motivation into question. Why do you hold such contempt for porn and the people who make it? If you think anyone is getting rich from porn today, take a look around. There’s hardly a paying market left, and those that do pay for it subsidize all the freeloaders and thieves. The largest gay porn company (Falcon) just ended up being acquired by their banker (AEBN) because they couldn’t repay production loans taken out just a couple of years ago. COLT just emerged from bankruptcy yesterday after their main creditor took a 2/3 reduction in principal just to get something out of the failed purchase agreement.
But keep stealing, and maybe when you get caught you can get Queerty to post a sob story about how you’re being unjustly targeted and should be forgiven because you totally didn’t mean to break the law and didn’t know better.
yawn
@Michael:
It’s that attitude (showcased in your last sentence) that I feel is more responsible for anyone getting in trouble over illegally downloading porn than anything some porn company would do. Maybe unicorn booty should post a dramatic piece about how you’re outing kids and making em kill themselves.
yawn
@B:
I don’t necessarily feel that’s the accurate analogy. The accurate one would be a teen knowingly acquiring illegal copies of a magazine for free, and then re-printing them and redistributing them himself to others. Or knowingly accepting bootleg copies of a CD or DVD, making his own bootlegs, and distributing those. Which are all illegal.
McMike
@Chris: How do we know he’s lying? Because he’s “like, you know, when I was 12 my family totally rejected me and kicked me out and I’ve only spoken to them 3 times in the past 15 years and, you know like, there’s a really good sale at Barney’s we need to go check out.”
He shows absolutely NO stress or sadness when he’s talking about being kicked out at 12. Plus he keeps repeating his “agenda points”.
Sorry, but if I was kicked out when I was 12 and cut-off from my family I might be a little saddened by it and not act like I was talking about the hot guy’s ass next to me.
B
No. 90 · yawn wrote, “@B: I don’t necessarily feel that’s the accurate analogy. The accurate one would be a teen knowingly acquiring illegal copies of a magazine for free, and then re-printing them and redistributing them himself to others.”
The claim is that they are going after people downloading it, not just people distributing it, so it is an accurate analogy (and the person I replied to was talking about stealing a magazine from a store, which is a crime, rather than copying its contents).
Copyright infringement is not necessarily criminal (some infringements are and some are not – http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#506 has the details). If you borrow a DVD with a typical retail price and make a single copy for your personal use, you could be sued if someone finds out, but you will not go to jail. Furthermore, infringement must be willful to be criminal. Some kid sharing files using bit-torrent may not even realize that he/she is making those files available to the public (that requires actually reading and understanding the manual and knowing what the software’s configuration settings are).
bdyn
It scares me how hateful these comments can be.
My take on the video: The speaker comes from a particularly intolerant family, and when he got caught, bad things ensued. He’s critical of CF because there could be kids out there that might be outed and bad things might ensue for them as well. Unfortunately, the speaker isn’t very eloquent. He’s not blaming anyone or asking for your pity; he’s just trying to warn you about what could happen.
My opinion: CF has a right to their intellectual property, but they could also just not sue. They’ll take losses, but the porn industry as a whole is having to adapt. These lawsuits are just a temporary fix, and could hurt people.
What I think we should do: Stop hating on each other and boycott CF. I am (and it sucks, cause I really like what they produce :P). If they choose to follow through with the suits, I’ll choose to get my porn elsewhere (Yeah, I occasionally pay for it).
Justin
I will be boycotting Corbin Fisher and their websites as well.
I was a paying member but no more, the final straw for me was the fine print in their recent DVD contest. Any information you use to sign up for it, they are going to use against you for upcoming lawsuits. It was hard to believe, but it’s a case where reading the fine print really did pay.
Happily there are other sites offering similar content, I will gladly be spending my money there now.
RedAssault
@B: That’s the stupidest analogy ever.
Ryan
So basically, BDYN, what you’re telling CF is “keep letting people download your stuff for free, or I’ll take my business elsewhere!” And you really see no logic disconnect at all, do you?
Parents have been finding their children’s gay porn for generations now, long before the internet. This argument is absurd and offensive. Companies have a right to protect their property by any legal mean necessary. Shame on thieves, and thief-apologists.
A@L
@Ryan:
“”Parents have been finding their children’s gay porn for generations now, long before the internet.””
And have they been sued for it? Your inability to see the difference is offensively shortsighted, boarder-line incompetent.
In any event, nothing in this particular case has been “stolen” to call someone a “thief” An inability to get basic core facts straight negates any hope for taking your posts remotely serious.
Tobias
@Ryan: Parents may have been finding porn but I doubt they were finding huge lawsuits as well. No one logical here is saying CF needs to just withdraw their statements and let people continue to have at their content…. but it’s pretty clear these lawsuits aren’t about “protecting their property”.
Charlie
So why is it no one is saying to the people who have admitted to posting free porn “Stop! You are going to play a part in a gay teen suicide!”
CF isn’t putting the porn on these kids computers, people illegally distributing the videos are. We have people like DJ commenting here about joyfully participating in “free porn” and no one has tried to get them to understand they are endangering lives.
Benji
@Tobias: I agree w/Tobias here!
I also agree w/bdyn #93: just because the speaker is not eloquent does not mean he doesn’t have a point, he’s obviously upset and trying to get his point across, trying to avoid others having to go through what he went through.
I think the ones that are being critical are working for Corbin Fischer and other sites like them. FU!
If they are truly losing money because of piracy, they have other options to consider besides a lawsuit, which will cost them money (unless they have lawyers that are bought). They need to pursue these other options!
I don’t believe they are just trying to protect their property, it HAS gone beyond that! Open your eyes, it’s all about money, and when they aren’t getting their money they attack the most vulnerable prey.
TEENAGERS ARE AT RISK, REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE A TEENAGER, TEENS WILL BE OUTED IF THEY PURSUE THIS LAWSUIT, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE FELT IF YOUR PARENTS WOULD HAVE HAD A LAWSUIT AGAINST THEM FOR WHAT YOU DID WITH THEIR PROPERTY? NOW IMAGINE YOUR PARENTS ARE HOMOPHOBES FIGHTING AGAINST LGBT RIGHTS, CALL THEM FAGS AND TALK ABOUT HOW THEY SHOULD BE SHOT, AND YOU ARE THAT TEEN UNSURE OF EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY HIS SEXUALITY. BELIEVE ME, TEENS DO THINGS THEY WOULDN’T NORMALLY DO, THAT ARE NOT LEGAL WHEN THEY HAVE TO HIDE THEIR SEXUALITY FROM THEIR PARENTS, I KNOW I DID.
bdyn
@Ryan: Thanks for responding. You should read my post again. In it, I agree with you that that companies have the right to protect their property. CF can sue if they want. My point was: if they sue (they could choose NOT to sue) knowing bad things could happen for closeted teens, I won’t support that company.
I also mentioned these suits are a temporary fix. Let me elaborate. Torrents and pirating websites are really the problem here. No quantity of lawsuits from the music industry and Hollywood has stopped the pirates. CF won’t either. The difference is: CF could out someone that is in a bad situation via their lawsuits. Yes, CF will recoup some losses, but at what cost (and it’ll only be temporary). Instead, they should grow their brand and adapt to the current technological climate, like other studios.
Benji
@Charlie: “So why is it no one is saying to the people who have admitted to posting free porn “Stop! You are going to play a part in a gay teen suicide!””
You don’t get it, do you? Teens are going to get porn. Teens such as myself, when I was a teen, will acquire gay porn if they find themselves attracted to the same sex. However, they will not look at sites such as this (qweerty.com), not ever! All of you criticizing this issue do not remember being a teen or had amazing parents that were supportive of you no matter what, but this is not the norm in this country! Get a grip! This lawsuit needs to be stopped and I’m going from here to find a way to help this guy in the video stop this!
Benji
@bdyn: Thank you “bdyn” for post #101! Yes, CF, needs to follow suit with the other studios and deal with it! Who, in this country at least, hasn’t had to make adjustments and adapt due to economic or technological or other climate changes?
Floyd Lowdarmin
I just soiled myself so I can’t type much at the moment. teens should pay with their blood.
Efforts will not cease until we are bathing in their blood, knee deep.
bye for now
B
No. 95 · RedAssault wrote, “@B: That’s the stupidest analogy ever.”
… not true at all: photographing pictures from a magazine you did not buy using an iPhone is essentially the same operation as downloading a personal copy from somewhere using lossy compression to speed up the transfer. In both cases, copyrighted material ends up on a computer you own (this may surprise you, but an iPhone is really a computer).
Randy
What about the children? Who gives a fuck? Corbin Fishers right. They are thieving little shits. If they off themselves because of this, so be it. I won’t lose any sleep over it.
Steve
Whenever pornographic images of Corbin Fisher are discovered on a underage childs computer, and C.F. goes after the kid, they really should prosecute Corbin Fisher for a crime… I am sure that exhibiting yourself sexually to a minor is a crime in almost every jurisdiction.
C.F. might want to think before opening that pandora’s box.
Casey
As a 17 year old who has “illegally downloaded” shitloads of gay porn including Corbin Fisher. Let me just say, you old people don’t know anything about the internet so shut your dirty whore mouths.
Dayton
This story has received over 7000 views.
I’m glad to see the story is getting out of the damage Corbin Fisher is about to inflict upon the gay community.
Squeaky
How come this guy called them for a comment, but you didn’t?
http://totallyhuman.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/corbin-fisher-responds-to-allegations/
Dayton
@Squeaky: More BS from Randazza.
I’d love to know more about the phantom sex researcher they consulted. Care to offer up a name for this researcher, Corbin Fisher? What credentials do they have?
More lies from this despicable company.
Pete
@Dayton: Yes, I’m very disinclined to believe any such researcher exists, too. I think if they really had anyone they’d mention the name so that person could back them up in public. I supposed if CF ever gets sued over outing a suicidal teen, they’ll have to produce the researcher in their defense.
B
No. 108 · Casey wrote, “As a 17 year old who has ‘illegally downloaded’ shitloads of gay porn including Corbin Fisher. Let me just say, you old people don’t know anything about the internet so shut your dirty whore mouths.”
Here’s an article about the guy who invented the mouse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart
And then for one of the two people who designed TCP/IP (two Internet protocols), check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf .
Care to rephrase that statement about “old people”?
Yuki
I like the suggestions that are made; they can track down whoever shared it. I do admit I pirate porn, mainly because I don’t have any steady income at this point, but for the things I really enjoy, I would gladly pay.
But to go after random people–including possible closeted teens–is ridiculous. It was ridiculous when the RIAA did it, and it’s ridiculous more.
Also, I’m disgusted at CF’s attorney’s use of “little shit”. Seriously? Can you be any less professional?
B
No. 114 · Yuki wrote, ‘Also, I’m disgusted at CF’s attorney’s use of “little shit”. Seriously? Can you be any less professional?’
Unfortunately I can – going after teens in a way that would cause them a lot of problems based on non credible evidence. As I pointed out in a different thread, the currently used method of finding users who allegedly downloaded or uploaded copyrighted material is error prone. http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/dmca_hotsec08.pdf has the details.
If you used these techniques, you could possibly trick Corbin Fisher into sending a take down notice or a threat of a lawsuit to Newt Gingrich’s web server (or Lou Dobson;s, Mary G.’s, or some other strident homophobe’s server). That would pretty much discredit a certain porn company as the screw up makes national news. Not sure this is legal, though.
Benjamin
I’ve had a subscription for well over a year, I’ve enjoyed the content. But I will not be renewing it.
This debacle has revealed some questionable business practices along with very unsavory individuals behind the Corbin Fisher name. I no longer feel comfortable giving them my money.
Dayton
@Benjamin: You are correct. The veil has been lifted on their questionable business practices.
I hear this contest they are running on their website is one such example. If you sign up, they have the right to use this info in any number of ways. Even against their own paying members.
With so many other sites out there producing similar content, the gay community should not give one more dime to Corbin Fisher.
Oprah
Yeah, sure, kicked out at the age of 12 for watching porn. Hhmmmm way to go, make a big LIE for sake of making a case to support porn piracy. How pathetic.
Ty
My brother got his ass beat at 12 for stealing my dad’s deck of naked lady playing cards and bringing them to school (back in the 70’s).
I find it totally believable that some conservative families would disown their kid if they found gay porn.
Or even worse, send the kid to some fucked up conversion therapy to pray the gay away.
Chris
@yawn: Wow arn’t you an apathetic asshole. Another reason why the suicide rate is so high amongst gay teens, is because of assholes like you who have no idea. So what, a kid is not supposed to look at porn if he or she is gay. What a double standard. Children younger than 12 look at porn out of fascination. Kevin’s parents kicked him out because they found porn, he wasnt blaming the porn, he was stating the fact that when his parents found out, they kicked him out.
Philotas
@Oprah:
The only pathetic thing here is you, I suppose you take some sort of deranged pleasure from the misfortune of youth.. what a sad life you must lead.
seek help
Chris
@McMike:
Mike I am a soldier and lost friends who were like brothers to me. My only family was the military. You dont see me crying every night when I talk about their deaths. Sorry that some people can’t be as weak as you are, but struggle makes people harder. This is one of the many reasons why LGBT teens are sick of the gay community. You do your show and tell called, “it gets better” then you turn around and show just how pathetic, and apathetic you really are. It is cowards like you who fuck over our community. Grow a pair, and get over yourself and your perfect little life and wake up to the reality of the world out there.
Chris
@Oprah: Sorry to hear your life is so perfect you pathetic piece of shit! Get a pair and get real! 40% of homeless youth ages 8-18 are LGBT, kicked out of their homes for coming out. Some as young as 10 years of age. What the hell has happened to the gay community. I hope that it wont take a Genocide for you morons to wake up and start giving a shit. No! it takes a straight ally to give a damn… when you parading queens cant even support your own community. This is why we still cant marry, or even reenlist to serve, because pussies like you sit here and piss on those who give a damn.
Chris
@Ty: They do this all the time Ty…
watcher
@Johnson: oh, long before 12.
Oprah
Pilotas & Chris…..huh? What the hell?? LOL – i think i have the right to express my opinions without being verbally abused and raped. Geez–chill out. I doubt that a 12 or an 8 year old can be kicked out of their home for ‘coming out’. That is absurd. No parent can do that. Its illegal or negligent to say the least. Besides, there is something called –‘foster family’? Helloo—the picture on the other side of the moon, doesnt have to look so darkly grim and doomed. Lets not indulge in melo-drama,or hissy fits shall we? It’s a little bit over the top. LOL
Chet
Corbin Fisher has to be the most boring porn site out there with their twink clones. I wouldn’t watch their crap for free if someone gave it to me.
A Mangy
@Johnson: When were you 12? in 1932? Hello, this is the age where a two year old interacts with some form of computer. Open up your eyes and look around.
cmac
Non-issue. CF is a business trying to recoup profits from a heterogeneous group of users, *some* of whom *may* be in a sensitive position with respect to litigation related to gay pornography, therefore CF should not recoup lost profits? How does this make any sense? If you guys like CF’s material, why not pledge to purchase two accounts on behalf of all the gay teens you’re trying to protect?
Carlisle
@cmac:
No one can really prove lost profits, lost profits are totally based on assumption in this case.
Their lawyer valued each scene to be worth about $2.50 when a monthly subscription is purchased. They want people to admit to causing them $25,000 in damages though.
If you took a 1.00 pack of gum from a store and were caught, would you admit to causing the store $10,000 in lost profit?
Ty
After reading more about Corbin Fisher and their operations, I think the gay community needs to stop supporting them. Give your money to Sean Cody or Randy Blue or any other similar sites.
They seem to be lawsuit happy from what I read. They also seem to prey and stalk their own customer base by holding so-called contests on their website.
Read the fine print of their “contests”. The same guy who wrote that, probably wrote the “amnesty” agreement(Randazza). That guy is a sleazeball.
Michael
Here’s something interesting that I found.
On 5-9-2009 someone from Corbin Fisher requested that all content be removed and banned from the gay heaven torrent site. That was complied with and the issue was solved at that site.
That proves that instead of taking the route of sending emails to the largest providers of their porn and not alienating potential future customers, they’ve decided to sue every person they can get their hands on that has downloaded one of their videos.
If you know someone who has a subscription to their site, please try and get them to unsubscribe. Based on their current rhetoric, you don’t know for sure what they’ll do with your personal information down the road.
Chris
@Oprah: You need to wake up and get real. Why dont you take a stroll to down town Salt Lake City, LA, Detroit, etc and see the homeless youth for yourself. Sorry you cant accept “inconvenient Facts” but the facts are that 25-40% of all homeless youth ages 8-18 are LGBT. And yes parents throw their children out all the time. Sorry you had the perfect little life, but its time to see that the world is much bigger and darker than that bright little air bubble you wrap your stupid little self in!
John
A prediction:
If Corbin Fisher’s actions results in the death of even ONE gay kid then…
http://pastehtml.com/view/1diters.html + http://www.joebaptista.com/attack-tool/index.html X the number of LGBT’ers who are OUTRAGED that a gay pornographer has proven to be more toxic to young queers than the Westboro Baptist Church ever was = Corbin Fisher conducting its future dwindling business via mail order.
Sterling Kekoa
You do realize that making porn is still a violation of US federal law: http://skekoa.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/pornography-and-u-s-law/
The question becomes: Does a business that is essentially involved in an illegal activity have the legal grounds to sue for assets created out of that legal activity?
Sterling Kekoa
You do realize that making porn is still a violation of US federal law: http://skekoa.wordpress.com/20…..d-u-s-law/
The question becomes: Does a business that is essentially involved in an illegal activity have the legal grounds to sue for assets created out of that illegal activity?
ventroaq
@Johnson: Uh, what planet are you from?
kitokito
OMG what person does that?! Just because of a small porn thing?
I feel sorry for the kid, and that he found a better home now.