@Bill Perdue: I’ve noticed that a lot of your posts raise some valid and interesting points. The problem is that you seem to inevitably fall off the balance beam and land in the sea of irrational extremism. Some examples, if you’ll indulge me:
“We need to tax them here in the US.”
A sentiment I am inclined to agree with, actually. I side with LaVey on the issue. If a church is worthwhile, it can survive on its own merits without financial shelter.
But then you follow up with that tired Exorcist comment that’s been floating around so long it’s not even funny anymore.
“We need to close schools that include superstation in their curriculum. First on the list should be the christist schools that use torture and abuse, including sexual abuse, to â€˜cureâ€™ young GLBT folks of their genetic heritage. The staff and the parents of young people thrown into these snakepits should be charged with child abuse.”
Well, okay, the useful portion of this idea is pretty deeply buried, but the “torture and abuse” part grazes it with its fingertips just a little. A lot of these schools still employ corporal punishment, which should probably be outlawed. However, considering they are private enterprises, it’s not the government’s place to close them. Also, when you mention the “cure” you’re blending christian schools and anti-gay ministries, which are generally (perhaps always) separate entities. Muddying the waters never helps your argument. As for that last sentence…well, innocent until proven guilty comes to mind, and I don’t think anyone should be charged with anything if they have done nothing other than attempt to educate children. Not all of those staff members and parents are child abusers, after all. Generalization makes you look ignorant.
“Religion is always an unhealthy blend of symptoms that skirt the edges of sanity and often cross over.”
No, not always. I think when you say “religion” you mean “christianity.” Religion covers a lot more territory than that, and I know you know that.
“It caused terrible damage throughout history.”
Okay, there’s another valid point.
“It’s is humankinds worst self inflicted wound.”
I think that’s debatable, but okay, I’ll let you have that one because I’m inclined to agree, at least in part.
“Religion, aka, ignorance and superstition is the enemy of GLBT equality and in may places of our right to exist. And people who choose to believe the ravings of ignorant and superstitious cult leaders are no friends of ours.”
Again, “religion” is not the same as “christianity.” There are plenty of gay-friendly religious traditions out there. Also, as far as I’m concerned, an ally is an ally, no matter what inspires their support. I’d take a superstitious friend over a logical foe any day.
“In Germany christists flirted with Magnus Hirschfelds Scientific-Humanitarian Committee and its openly gay offshoots but when the Naziâ€™s came to power it took them all of ten seconds to revert to their christer traditions of homophobia and anti-Semitism. We know the result.”
That actually has less to do with religion than it does human nature. Most people are sheep, following something, sometimes religion, sometimes political ideology, sometimes pop stars. It has more to do with the urge to belong to a group, and most groups are more defined by what they are not as opposed to what they are. That’s the entire rationale behind the existence of Nazism in the first place. Any group that would seek power requires an “other” in order to achieve it. The Nazis just happened to choose “others” that worked for their time.
You’re obviously an intelligent person, but you let emotion cloud the very logic you claim to endorse. If you want your arguments to have more weight, and appear less ridiculous, you should try to be a bit more dispassionate about the issue. It’s fine to have an emotional investment in an issue, but when you let your emotions drive the car, you’re bound to go over that cliff eventually. And let me tell you…it’s not so easy to drive back up.