We’re going to have to take someone’s word for it that the gay porn industry is a “multibillion” dollar business, because haven’t XTube and its kin completely deflated the ROI of two-or-more guys screwing on screen? But accepting that overall valuation, it’s the condom-less gay porn niche that makes up a huge chunk of that business. But at least one porn company is putting morals on a higher shelf than dollar bills — which, last we checked, is bad for business — and has exited the bareback biz. Not that it plans on insisting competitors do the same.
Max Lincoln, the CEO of porn studio Eurocreme, runs a company that specialized in exactly what its name suggests. Profit margins are exponentially higher in the bareback world, insists Lincoln, but because there’s no scientific way to assure protection for bareback performers (namely, the lead time in HIV test results), he’s left behind his bread and butter, telling Pink News:
“There is a window period between an individual becoming infected with the HIV virus, and that individual showing up positive in an HIV test. During the window period, the infected individual can transmit the virus to others during unprotected sexual intercourse.
“For that reason it is not possible for a production company to guarantee the safety of an actor in a bareback film.”
“Last year, in order to protect its performers against HIV infection, Eurocreme took the difficult commercial decision to produce only ‘condom’ films,” continued Lincoln, who founded the company in 2002.
“In the absence of any legislation governing porn production in the UK, this moral stance places us at a serious disadvantage in the marketplace.”
(Indeed, the pictured film, House Boy, from 2009, features performers using condoms.)
And while Eurocreme produces its films in, uh, Europe, that doesn’t mean Lincoln isn’t abreast of the situation in California, where state health regulators are, once again, being pushed to make condoms mandatory.
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“Bareback sex is not a criminal offence, and it would be a dangerous precedent for the Government to legislate against the depiction of a perfectly legal activity.
“Porn companies exist to entertain, and it should not be left to them to educate the general public at their own expense.
“It is also facile to imagine that legislation will prevent the consumer accessing bareback porn; It will instead send him down the route of piracy and filesharing. The correct approach in the UK is for the producers, retail outlets and the gay press to self-regulate, much as has been proposed in the USA. This would at least allow responsible adult companies to compete on a level playing field.”
“If the Government is to become involved in this issue in any way, it should be to devote funding to HIV awareness programmes, particularly directed towards young people.”
Indeed: Don’t ban bareback porn because it will encourage Internet piracy! And like all health decisions, the bottom line must be considered first.
Fitz
Oh well. There are other places for me to get my pron.
Jake the libertarian
For the love of everything holy… does my porn have to be moral now too? The safe sex or get AIDS crowd is really getting annoying.
I don’t want to see rubbers when I am whacking off. I wanna see two big dicks (bigger than mine) on two incredibly cute guys (usually cuter than me) fuck incredibly well (usually better than me) and then cum on each other. It is a time tested formula that makes me fucking happy. Sue me.
terrwill
Hey Porn People!! Here is your solution!!
Put it in this context: Pornsters are professionals!
In every profession the professionals take greater risks than the
non-professionals! And when one views videos of these
professionals we are forewarned of such. Simply put a warning on the beginning ofthe professional pornsters “unwrapped” porn stating:
“DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME!!” : p
Bob Lablah
Ditto those comments Jake and Fritz.
ddcoc
OSHA (Occupational Health and Safety Administration) governs safety in the work place in the U.S. and that should include porn studios. If cafeteria workers have to wear gloves, why shouldn’t porn actors? Condomless sex is a occupational health and safety issue. Perfomers should not be allowed to perform bareback unless the are 100% STD/HIV free. Viral load testing can pick up infections at about 2 weeks, so bareback studios should do viral load testing and then put their actors into quarantine for two weeks before performing.
Brandon
Why is the discussion based on the lie that the “actors” don’t know what they are doing? They know the risks and probably sign documents to that effect! If they are willing to take the responsibility then what right does the government have to step in?
I don’t ask these questions out of flat-out support of bareback porn, but more out of concern of legislating peoples private and personal choices.
AlwaysGay
I find men putting on condoms and lube SEXY!
rrr
If they are willing to take the responsibility then what right does the government have to step in?
You could find some desperate broke idiot who would hammer a nail through their own hand for money and/or fame. Finding someone willing to take a serious health risk for money and/or fame doesn’t make it OK to exploit that willingness.
Workplace safety is an entirely appropriate place for government regulation. And HIV as a contagious disease is a public health matter too, which makes government involvement even more appropriate.
BobP
As someone who has worked in HIV for over 15 years, I can see from the comments why HIV is suck a HUGE problem in the gay community. Not caring whether people (including yourselves) get infected because you like to see a big cock without a condom is absolutely repulsive. Try working on an AIDS hotline or doing some volunteer work helping the sick and dying may change your mind, if you’re lucky.
Fitz
Self righteous much, Bob?
Rapid testing takes 20 minutes.
Unsatisfying sex is not the answer to AIDS.
BobP
Fitz, Having much unprotected sex? Sorry to hear it, but you don’t have to rationalize your behavior to me. I’m over trying get get people to take care of themselves.
BTW, what does an inaccurate 20 minute test have to do with anything? You may want to educate yourself before you talk about HIV.
Jake the libertarian
Dear Bob,
You are exactly who I do not want to think about when I am jacking off. You are a buzz kill and way too full of yourself. I do practice safe sex unless I am in a monogamous relationship. However that is hardly the point is it?
Pardon me for asking you to do the same thing I ask the Christian right to do… Fuck yourself and get the fuck out of my bedroom while I am trying to jerk off! Leave people alone! You don’t know what’s best for them!
Jake the libertarian
Also dear Bob, you are not the first one to call me repulsive. Almost all of us here have been called names, or been called immoral or sick or otherwise put down. Well, I learned not to worry about that, Bob.
I don’t have AIDS, Bob. I am not going to get AIDS. I am also not going to be afraid of what I am because you talk to sick people in your free time. Take your oppinion and shove it up your “I am terrified to bottom” tight ass.
BEC
RRR, seriously? : “Finding someone willing to take a serious health risk for money and/or fame doesn’t make it OK to exploit that willingness.”
Exploit? Sure, but are the following exploited?
Race car drivers? Stunt people? Nature daredevils? Fighters/Boxers? Gap employees?
All these folks put their lives and health at risk –knowingly– for the sake of entertainment. To put any type of moral judgment on them is inappropriate. I don’t agree with fighting/boxing at all. It’s violent, bloody and saddening that society needs this type of entertainment. But in no way would I ask the government to intervene by banning the sport. I’d ask the Mormons; they seem to do a good job of manipulating society’s morals.
You’re going down a slippery-slope, and not the fun slippery.
rrr
@ BEC
Occupations like race car driving and boxing are regulated. Drivers, boxers, stunt people, and employees working in dangerous environments use safety equipment and are normally required to do so by law. That why you see drivers in helmets and seat belts. That’s why you see referees stopping fights and boxers wearing things like gloves and teeth guards even though some people would find it more exciting and satisfying to watch them fight to the death with their bare hands while teeth flew out of their mouths.
mk
But in no way would I ask the government to intervene by banning the sport.
This isn’t a discussion about banning porn production. It’s a discussion about suggested mandatory safe sex in porn production to help protect the health of workers in the profession and perhaps also in some ways help protect public health.
Fitz
Bob, you and your kind are the reason that the first flush of undereducated HIV workers failed so badly. You really don’t understand the fantasy life that one enjoy in front of a computer with a hand lubed up Vs. what you choose to do on a date? Seriously?
You seem like the kind of worker (probably a “case manager” with a degree in some unemployable field) who thinks that the answer to HIV is for gay men to agree to be sexless. Fuck that shit, and fuck your sex phobic message. If you think the winning battle against seroconversion is to convince men to deny their fantasy life, then you are not doing any good for anyone.
Free market will rule. I will keep buying hot raw porn, cuz I like it, and someone will keep producing hot raw videos. It’s possible that the misguided sex-phobic crowd will drive production underground, where there will be zero protection for workers, but I hope not.
Mark
It’s great that some of you put your ability to get off over the safety and health of others, many of whom are poor and desperate.
Parasites.
There have been cases where porn performers who tested negative for HIV did pass the virus to others.
Fitz
Mark, name one. One. Or stfu, you sex phobic mess.
Fitz
Oh, and PS: let’s make it illegal to show fat people. Statistically, MANY MANY more people die from preventable CHF than from HIV/AIDS. Lets just legislate morality for everyone.
Cam
No. 9 · BobP
As someone who has worked in HIV for over 15 years, I can see from the comments why HIV is suck a HUGE problem in the gay community. Not caring whether people (including yourselves) get infected because you like to see a big cock without a condom is absolutely repulsive. Try working on an AIDS hotline or doing some volunteer work helping the sick and dying may change your mind, if you’re lucky.
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And right there is a large part of the reason for the diminishing returns of AIDS education. For years the AIDS educators screamed self-rightiously at everybody all the time, articles in the Advocate tried to make everybody feel guilty if we did not work 24/7 in a hospice or didn’t have AIDS ourselves etc… and now they are dealing with a massive community burnout. Bob, I get where you are coming from, but after a few too many times of AIDS educators showing up at semi formal holiday parties, dinners and anniversaries only to break out bags of condoms and lube to pass around as if everybody in the crowd was just waiting til mid-night to fling off our clothes and fuck each other just got to be too much. After constantly hearing incredibly inflated numbers and being told that every person out there had it, and yet not having any of our friends get it, again, can create somewhat of a “Please tone the volume down” attitude. You might want to try another angle.
Fitz
No. 11 · BobP
Fitz, Having much unprotected sex? Sorry to hear it, but you don’t have to rationalize your behavior to me. I’m over trying get get people to take care of themselves.
BTW, what does an inaccurate 20 minute test have to do with anything? You may want to educate yourself before you talk about HIV.
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Hey, genius “HIV worker”, BTW, the inaccuracies of the 20 minute test are only for false positives. It never gives false negatives. Maybe go to one or two more in-service trainings in 2010, since you are a subject matter expert and all.
Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
My hubby and I (together 24 years) went to see Avatar over the weekend. It certainly seems to me that the studio that figures out how to “have your cake and eat it too” will earn zillions. From the early days at Falcon, studios have faked all sorts of scenes, particularly using buckets of fake cum. It can’t be all that difficult to edit safe-sex scenes into raw sex scenes.
I have been HIV+ for 30+years (hubby neg, thank goodness) and it has been no picnic. Even with the manageable treatment than the early “cocktail” days, living with this disease is a case of on-going medical and emotional exhaustion. My hubby and I lost so many friends, have worked so hard supporting other HIV/AIDS groups and sufferers. And now I have to look forward to aging diseases hitting me 10 to 20 years ahead of time. Its fucked.
As an avid fan of porn and sex, I sure prefer raw and cummy. BUT, certain realities abound; I hate the thought that others will follow the hardships of those who have already been there. As the famous saying goes, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
Robert
Since ad hominem attacks seem to be de rigueur:
To No. 17 · Fitz
Fitz, you and your kind are the reason that the first tsunami of undereducated AIDS victims died so horribly. You really don’t understand the connection between the fantasy life that one enjoys and what you choose to do on a date? Seriously? Are you still trying to peddle the idea that the 70’s and early 80’s were a sensual paradise of free love instead of a drug-fueled orgy of self-loathing and selfishness. Really?
You seem like the kind of deviant (probably a “fetishist” with a fantasy live akin to Jeffery Dahmer’s) who thinks that the answer to your death wish is for gay men to agree to make snuff films for your pleasure. Fuck that shit, and fuck your sex phobic message. If you think that winning the battle against HIV is anything other than loving yourself and being what used to be called a good neighbor, then you are not doing any good for anyone. Grow the fuck up and act like a responsible adult. Quit shitting on yourself and the rest of the world and pretending that you don’t know that’s what you’re doing. Frankly, it’s pathetic and a bit embarrassing to have to watch.
Ultimately, Darwin will rule. Your kind will keep buying snuff films, because you get off on it, and someone will keep supplying you. Eventually, you and your self-destructive behaviors will be eliminated. All it takes is time. It’s even possible that those who have learned to love their fellows and not view them as objects to be used for their own pleasure will be able to minimize the next wave of AIDS deaths that you have helped encourage in the younger generation. I hope so.
Jake the libertarian
To Mike in Asheville, nee “in Brooklyn”,
I am very sorry to hear you got HIV 30 years ago. I don’t know you so forgive the assumption, but I am guessing you got HIV by having unprotected sex from a mustached stranger… not from anything done in an underground VCR tape?
My point, and I think Fitz’s point, is that there is a difference between fantasy and reality. Responsible people (these days) take smart measures when having sex, especially if its just a fling or a hook up. This goes for both gay and straight people. I like bareback porn though. It is my fantasy that I will be in a good relationship with someone and we won’t need to wear condoms because we are monogamous, tested, and clean. That is the best sex… no rubber required. Bareback porn is uninhibited that way, and I like it.
Where I get VERY angry is when someone starts talking social responsibility and morality to me. I have listed to that shit for every fucking one of my 30 years and it infuriates me. No man has the right to tell another what to do. Not in the name of God, society, the greater good, nothing! That goes for self righteous fags as well as Christian crusaders. If the moral police decide to shut down legitimate porn as it is now, understand this… it has happened before, and it simply went underground. We will not be bullied by the moral police. God Bless CUM SHOTS!
P.S. Fuck CGI…
Cam
No. 24 · Robert
Since ad hominem attacks seem to be de rigueur:
To No. 17 · Fitz
Fitz, you and your kind are the reason that the first tsunami of undereducated AIDS victims died so horribly. You really don’t understand the connection between the fantasy life that one enjoys and what you choose to do on a date? Seriously? Are you still trying to peddle the idea that the 70’s and early 80’s were a sensual paradise of free love instead of a drug-fueled orgy of self-loathing and selfishness. Really?
You seem like the kind of deviant (probably a “fetishist” with a fantasy live akin to Jeffery Dahmer’s) who thinks that the answer to your death wish is for gay men to agree to make snuff films for your pleasure.
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Again, this is why there is a collective ignoring of much of the hyperbolic messages coming out of the AIDS groups. Dude, are you serious? Some guy comes on here and says he thinks porn is hot and it’s hot to watch guys not wearing condoms and you are sitting here foaming at the mouth, freaking out and accusing him of having a fantasy life the same as Jeffrey Dahmer? Why not just say that he’s as bad as Hitler and get it over with. Seriously, your post is so over the top I really hope you do not work with AIDS paitents as they need hope, informaion and stability, not whatever it is you were doing in that post.
Jake the libertarian
To To Mike in Asheville, nee “in Brooklyn”
BTW, if you got HIV 30+ years ago how is it that you are still with us? In 1979 they didn’t even know what AIDS was. It is my understanding that the first CDC cases weren’t even reported until 1981 and no drugs were available until a couple of years later… How are you still with us?
Fitz
Robert- you are a mess. I am totally fine with liking hot porn. I am totally fine with thinking that hot porn should be shot legally, where things like rapid testing (100% accurate for negatives) for HIV can occur. (In fact, I would even add RPR’s, since we have a new explosion of cases). I am neither a fetishist (not that I have much problem with consensual fetishists, within limits) nor am I a predator or whatever derogatory term you used. If you think that you are going to fight seroconversion by attacking me or other men who like good porn… best of luck. Your going to equate me with Dahmer.. what a mess. You state that you can’t have a fantasy life that you don’t act out. What are you, a sociopath? You are hysterical, and have no validity and nothing to contribute. My perspective is that a hot fantasy life can be healthy, and that hot porn can made in a harm reduction way which preserves that fantasy. What’s yours? That we should all sit around an knit? Got to hell. Seriously. All you people who think sex= AIDS, go to hell.
mk
I don’t see the validity of this “it’ll only go underground” stuff.
Legislators, courts and professional bodies do what they can to protect the safety of workers in their jurisdiction. Obviously companies will take advantage of the lack of protection of people in other jurisdictions and there will also be people operating in violation of laws and rules, but worker safety protections are still important as practical protection and a declaration of societal values. For instance, companies set up sweatshops with children in less developed countries because some people in the western world want the cheapest goods possible no matter what the human cost, but that is no good justification to get rid of anti-child labor laws in America.
Considering the rise in barebacking and the rise in HIV infection rates in America in recent years, requiring safe sex in porn could be considered part of a public health campaign as well.
AxelDC
I never realized you could get an STD from a video.
Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
@No. 27 Jake the Libertarian
I, along with my first HIV doctor (sadly I have outlived my first 3 HIV/AIDS doctors) estimated that I contracted the virus in 1979. That was when I contract Hep B. In 1986, the first publicly available HIV antibody test was available in San Francisco; my BF and I got tested then (me:poz / he: neg). A year later, the T-cell count test was available and I was experiencing my first (minor) symptoms. My T-cell count was 600; less than half the typical 1200-1600 normal range. Also, in 1986, two of my then regular and fun times fuck buddies from UC Berkeley died; we had had lots and lots of fun. Based on their deaths and the amount of time for them to deteriorate, my Hep B infection, my lower T-cell count, et al, 1979 seemed to be the black year for me.
AZT was the first drug available and was mostly ineffective. My doctor recommended that since my health was strong, wait until conditions changed before starting a drug routine (he told that the fat was doctors didn’t really know enough and that it was as likely that starting a drug could prevent from using a different drug later). I waited until 1995 before starting any drugs. The drug regimen was very difficult (55 pills/day) and, while successful tackling the virus, the rest of my systems rebelled. The new drug regimens are much easier but there are always setbacks. 5 pills/day now.
That AIDS/HIV is manageable, that does not mean its easy. If not for weed, I would be dead. Though I attended Cal Berkeley, I didn’t do drugs. When my weight had dropped from 155 to <120, my BF brought some home, and that made a huge difference.
Anyway, from my experience, HIV/AIDS cannot be dismissed as something so casually ignored when the desires of sloppy sex are in front of you. Please all be smart.
Keith Kimmel
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I loved Eurocreme’s stuff! I have over half a terabyte of it, I bought a second removeable harddrive to hold all of it. Those beatiful twinkies fucking, sucking and cumming everywhere! So very hot thier stuff was. Seriously, this was my favorite porn studio ever. I faithfully downloaded, then watched + wanked to every single title as soon as it was released. What will I do now?
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On a more serious note.
@ #31 – I’d like to talk to you more about your experinces for some stuff I am working on right now. Please, please send me an e-mail at [email protected]. Include a phone number if you prefer to chat by phone. I can utilize either method.
Dave
Performers in Porn deserve to have the right to have their Health, Safety and Welfare looked out for and respected just as much as any other workers. Good on Eurocreme for taking this stance. The pressure in the porn industry for performers to just take the chance of getting infected is getting worse and those demanding condom-free porn are fueling it and in some cases destroying lives.
@Fristz’s comment No. 19. Here’s a case that happened last year:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/7277000.stm
HIV transmission in porn happens! Those most likely to become infected are young men trying to make a living afraid to rock the boat, unable to insist on the right for adequate protection because there are people demanding they don’t take precautions because they don’t like the look, it’s absurd.
Rob Moore
Mike in Asheville, who told you that 1200 to 1600 is the normal range? 600 is a perfectly normal T-cell level. It used to be that a T-cell level less than 200 was considered AIDS in the presence of HIV. That has evolved, but considering 600 abnormal is incorrect. I see my actual lab slips reporting my levels, which show the normal range preprinted on the slip and 600 is solidly normal. Besides that, T-cell counts fluctuate very rapidly during a day. Taken first thing in the morning, the count can be a couple of hundred lower than five hours later. Contract a cold and the climb in numbers is precipitous within a matter of hours.
As for you folks who object to bareback porn or do not object, in most cases, the actors know very well what they are doing. They know going in whether or not they have HIV. I have not had sex with a condom in years, but I never have sex with a partner who does not know before the first button is undone or the first zipper is lowered that I am positive. Obviously, not everyone tells the truth, but I do. I almost never have sex with someone who is negative, but I won’t wear condoms anymore.
I know when and where I was infected; 31 December 1993 at approximately 2330 in my room at Residence Inn in Dearborn Park, MI. We had both been drinking, but I can’t say I was drunk. I was horny as hell having been stuck in Detroit for three weeks for work. My condom box was empty and the one in his wallet was degraded. I hadn’t had bareback sex in over 10 years and tested negative just five weeks earlier with no sex for the past 5 months after a bad break-up with the love of my life. A few weeks later, I came down with what my doctor called scarlet fever. I had sex twice more that year but used condoms. I got my positive test in January 1994.
I don’t blame the other guy. I blamed myself for a while, but it was a choice I made fully aware of the potential consequences. I was unnerved for a time, but life goes on. These actors who do bareback movies are not usually desparate and homeless at least not the ones in the movies I buy. I don’t go for guys who look emaciated or physically undeveloped. The guys I like obviously have the wherewithal to pay for shelter, a bed, food, and a gym membership. If they are doing bareback porn, it is because they want to do it.
Most of the same logic I read in earlier posts could be used in the abortion debate. My response is similar. If you don’t want to have bareback sex, don’t. If you don’t like abortion, don’t get one. If you don’t like bareback porn, don’t watch or buy it.
THE BRUTAL KREMLIN
Dear Jake and Fitz,
YOU STUPID, ARROGANT, LOATHESOME PIECES OF CRAP. It is people LIKE YOU who sit back funding and industry that spreads a DISEASE that KILLS. This is not about personal choice, or how great your porn is. You are probably some of the very lowlifes to be found lurking in steam rooms and dark rooms, or getting people drunk to bring them home so you can have unsafe sex and then feel good about getting away with it. OR WORSE, on of those demented assholes who were denied a childhood and play out their sicko problems with authority with people’s live.
The world is nasty enough to gay people, without vermin like you encrouaging the spread of a disease that brutally ends their lives. Have you ever SEEN someone die of AIDS? I bet a million you have not, past perhaps a single visit to a hospital or getting it from a rumour mill. It is a nasty, slow, painful death – as bad or worse than cancer.
Rigth now, the HIV serocoversion rates are back at 1982 levels among young people. WHY? Because of pathetic nobody’s like you spreading the incorrect messages that barebacking is some sort of personal decision or civil rights, or that you can’t get it if you pull out, etc. BULLSHIT. And let’s face it, porn ‘actors’ aren’t exactly well-rounded people are they? Some, maybe, but the majority come with a drug and alcohol addictions, among other things. And I am so sorry to inform your ignorant arses that 19 year olds aren’t the most level-headed of people anyway.
On behalf of the 35 people I’ve known to die of this disease, and unfortunately counting: FUCK YOU. If I had a chance, I’d ship you to Iraq where the anti-gay death squads know what to do with sub-human rodents like yourselves. Take a look in the mirror and wake the fuck up.
This is not Hate speech or defaming anyone. This is an angry, upset, tired-of-watching-people-die at the hands of porno makers and club promoters post. And, it is intended to spread light on a disease that HAS NOT GONE AWAY and is JUST AS SERIOUS AS DAY ONE, and the IGNORANCE that surrounds it such as these two have posted. I would gladly debate them, or anyone else, in a public forum.
THE BRUTAL KREMLIN
Ps. To ‘Keith’ “What Will I Do Now?”
Get a life.
Rob Moore
Dear Brutal,
You are not debating. You are venting explosively and understandably; however, behaviours such as barebacking are, indeed, a personal choice, which in democracies are generally allowed between people who are of a legal age to consent.
I venture that wishing ill for someone by sending anyone to Iraq where the anti-gay death squads know what to do with “rodents like you” is legitimising people who also think they know what to do with gay people.
I have seen people dying of AIDS. I volunteered in a hospice for people with AIDS and no where to live. I changed their diapers. I held hands of people who were in their last hours with no family who would be there for them. I have had close friends die after weeks of demented incoherence. I have seen families of gay men surprise me with their ability to love and families who disgusted me with their rejection. I also remember in the early days that many in the gay community were not noble in their behaviour towards those they supposedly loved.
Fitz
It’s hard to care about the opinion of someone seething so badly that they won’t engage a discussion, so I don’t.
TTTTom
Mike in Asheville, nee “in Brooklyn” said:
That AIDS/HIV is manageable, that does not mean its easy. If not for weed, I would be dead.
I back this and everything else he had to say. The facts, even the dates, seem reasonable and very similar to me and my partner’s experiences.
Also, AZT was more detrimental than helpful. Thank God for doctors that recommended staying away! I do.
James
I can’t think of anything more repulsive than cum oozing out of another guy’s anus. Sick. Wrap it up.
James
Sex with condoms is not unsatisfying. Men are fucking morons, willing to risk the health of themselves and others to get off. Bareback is wrong in my opinion. If the gay porn industry has gone this long with condoms then why change now?
jason
I don’t see why you should wear a condom if you’re both healthy. It’s only the promiscuous sleazeballs who need to wear them. If you go fucking unhealthy strangers in dark places, you deserve what’s coming to you.
Don’t come crying to me when you catch an assortment of exotic diseases.
Jonathan
@BobP: Thank You!
Jonathan
@mk: Of Course!
Jonathan
@Cam: @Cam: All Bob suggested was that people should enjoy sex responsibly and use condoms which is the one sure-fire way we know HIV transmission is preventable. What’s so heavy-handed about that? It seems pretty tame to me.
Jonathan
@Robert: I don’t know who you are, but I love who you are for what you’ve written, words far too absent in the GLBT community’s national discourse as we continue to turn ourselves into fucking machines and our youth are sero-converting at alarming rates all of which is preventable with a condom and yet we still suffer the indignity of adult men who cry foul, clinging to deviant behavior which, however rooted it may be in the grief and pain that commonly accompanies being homosexual in America, is still gravely injurious and what could be more manly than protecting one another? I think that’s pretty sexy, savings lives that is, as opposed to sacrificing them.
Jonathan
@THE BRUTAL KREMLIN: I would to go to that debate. Needless to say, of course, on your side.
Zach
@jason:
Someone who contracts HIV might not come running to you crying, but it has to be understood that choices which produce negative health effects affect everyone, not simply the people involved. There are only so much resources to devote in health care, and it’s galling to anyone in the profession to see people perpetually engage in unnecessarily risky behaviour.
That being said, we can’t – and don’t want to – regulate every aspect of human conduct, even though the alternative is to accept a certain societal cost to individual irresponsibility, be it barebacking, smoking, morbid obesity, etc. Governments should encourage positive change – always using condoms, quitting/refraining from smoking, engaging in healthy weight loss, etc. and be hesitant to impose any further regulations or laws.
Let’s not pretend that requiring condoms on sex workers is new territory though. Porn actors are employees, and employers have a duty of care to their employees. If the government wants to extend regulatory power into porn (and it already does in other, much more invasive ways) then there is no absolutist principle – unless your libertarian values are so extreme as to preclude any duty of care – to dismiss the suggestion of requiring condoms out of hand. It’s a worthwhile debate and examination of risk.