SOUNDBITES — “Many gay and lesbian people wonder how it can be that a Black President has not moved more quickly on LGBT rights. They ask out loud how it can be that President Obama does not see gay rights as the next frontier in our nationâs civil rights struggle. What many of my white gay brothers and sisters need to realize is that Obama absolutely understands the intellectual argument that equates advancing gay rights to Americaâs civil rights struggles. He said as much in his speech. But he is a President whose constituencyâand I do not mean white, Middle America, but his constituency of Black Americansâdoes not stand with him or follow his argument on civil rights encompassing LGBT rights. Obamaâs enlightened perspective on the gay rights struggle is seen in his admonishment to himself: ‘Itâs not for me to tell you to be patient anymore than it was for others to counsel African Americans who were petitioning for equal rights a half century ago.'” —National Black Justice Coalition deputy director (and out former Connecticut State representative) Jason W. Bartlett on Obama’s promise for civil rights
MORE: “This understanding of the LGBT disinclination towards patienceâjust as Black civil rights heroes could wait for justice no longerâwas neither welcomed nor accepted by many in the Black community. […] Some people take offense personally that white gays and lesbians would take inspiration from civil rights icons, as many have a feeling of ownership and personal attachment to the civil rights struggle and its philosophy. […] NBJC believes that President Obama is ready to do the hard lifting and we are prepared to assist him in this effort. We are also willing to challenge the homophobia that exists in our community. […] In addition, we call on our white gay brothers and sistersâjust as President Obama didâto recognize that they have work of their own to do in communicating with communities of color. All too often, Black LGBT people extend our hand to work with our white colleagues, as we did in California on Proposition Eight, and all too often our white brothers and sisters stay frozen in a black/white construct that is still too separate and unwelcoming.”
RE-READ: Queerty’s exclusive interview with Barlett and our extensive look at the struggles NBJC faces
merkin
so its white gays fault that the Black churches are homophobic?
Dabq
@merkin: Of course not, just like sane people can’t blame all white gays for the racism that so many seem to have for blacks on gay blogs. People are products of their environment and need to be taught tolerance, although for homophobic blacks and white gay racists, little seems to be capable of getting the message out, hate is wrong.
Dabq
@Terrance: That’s the bread and butter of this site, and, they have 90% of the posters who fall for it and sadly, agree with it, and, then will use MLK’s words in the same sentence, ugh, where is the tolerance??
Dennis
@merkin:
Not any more than it is black gay’s fault that many white churches are homophobic…
I am so sick and tired of this race baiting and mutual blame going on…what the fuck do we need to do to to realize that we LGBT’s are all on the same team ?! …what do we need to do to speak most effectively to our respective communities, and to build bridges and alliances among ‘moderate’ people of faith?
There are always going to be irrational Jeebus freaks, and radical Muslims, etc, who hate us, so they are a lost cause…but many people in Churches are “swayable”, IF there is leadership and tolerance demonstrated from religious authorities.
Less blame, less name calling and division…more discussion, dialog, and cooperation. For fucks’ sake, this black/white fighting is BEYOND TIRED!
InExile
@Dennis: I agree this black/white stuff is very tired. We need to take a page from the republican’s play book and stick together no matter what. We have enough odds against us all without infighting and accusations. WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT COULDN’T CARE LESS ABOUT US!
strumpetwindsock
@Dabq:
Tolerance?
Sounds like you’re just one of our enemies just trying to distract, lure us into a false sense of cooperation and assimilate us. Next thing you’ll be saying that we should get married, have kids, and join a church and become completely normal like the straights so no one will pay any attention to us.
I doubt that you’re even gay. I bet you TALK to those people too.
*On most sites I wouldn’t have to post a satirical comment disclaimer, but given the level of debate here it is an absolute necessity. Otherwise some WILL take the above comment seriously*
Gimme LOL CATS
You know? Sometimes I just get bummed by this kind of stuff and am at a loss for a witty riposte. For the record, I am a straight female, but I closely identify with the issues of the LGBT community, maybe because I’m also an immigrant, and have personally experienced how hurtful exclusion can feel.
I feel really sad that our president cannot sidestep his “political” duties–ie, pandering to the Christian Right constituency–and come out and speak his true mind about this.
Being gay is NORMAL. NORMAL. NORMAL. NORMAL. It’s part of the behavioral spectrum of what it means to be human. In Ancient Greece it was thoroughly part and parcel of the established order. Not to say I endorse that proto-democracy which advocated no rights for women or slaves (although, note: Ancient Greece is WHERE our current U.S. concept of democracy originated) but my point is: It’s all about cultural context. Every society makes up its own rules. To rail against gays is totally in-human, anti-reason, and demonstrates ignorance of the whole damn history of mankind.
Pardon me if I stated the obvious here, I’m new to the site.
Dabq
@strumpetwindsock: Well, if you are a racist, and a homophobia, I am your, cough, cough enemy, and, it does not take much you see which box you would check from those incoherent posts of yours.
Do your thing in the wind boo, no need to worry about what grown folks who actually are fighting hate, be it your racism or their homophobia which both stink.
Cam
@Gimme LOL CATS: Well said!
shelby84
oh gawd! here we go again… Everyone is just going to yell at each other about race. I’m a gay black man and I treat all ignorance the same. Bigotry is bigotry. Gay, White, Asian, Middle Eastern whatever. Itâs just a part of the human condition. People will always find a way to hate you for something. We are all in this shit together. So some black people may not like gay white people comparing themselves to civil right movement of the 60 and 70s. Screw them. The correlation makes sense to my black ass. I get it–they are totally similar. Who needs the approval? I stand up for civil rights because it makes sense. I don’t need blacks to pet me on the back or gay whites. (Or Iâll be waiting a long time and Iâm just trying to get through the day) And for the love of God Queerty quit talking about race. It pisses me off. The way is done seem divisive. I know we need to talk about it but this seem counter-productive, honestly.
Jaisne Blue Sexton
This Black Gay Woman says that’s a load of bullsh*t. The fight for LGBT rights is the same as the rights fight that people of colour had to fight, and also that women had to fight. Civil rights are civil rights. People who claim otherwise are full of it, and need to look at themselves to see what their problem is. If you’re a person of colour who thinks that gay people aren’t equal to you, or that their struggle is less or less important than yours, then you have issues. And if you’re a gay person – including ones who are white – and you have issue with people of colour because you think that they’re not as good as you, then you’re actually not as good as them. You all need to get over yourselves and work together to see that people of all genders, races, and orientations get equal and fair treatment, not just under the law, but also from one another.
strumpetwindsock
@Dabq:
Sorry man; I thought I said my last post was facetious.
In fact, I agree with you completely.
See what I mean? Things are so crazy here you can hardly tell when someone is making an insane joke.
The Gay Numbers
If you read the quote- it basically says both sides are to blame, and both need to work at at it. I don’t see how that’s in dispute.
shelby84
@Jaisne Blue Sexton: THANK YOU!!!!! Seriously!!!
AlwaysGay
Another black gay person cracks the whip. I am getting really sick of this racializing(heterosexualizing) of homosexuality. White gay people can’t do black gay people’s work in convincing black heterosexuals not to be bigoted because many believe homosexuality is a white and elitist thing, two things black people run away from. Only black gay people can break that stereotype and ease the bigotry.
It’s been more than six months since Obama’s taken office and he has not made one major effort in progressing gay rights, in fact he’s made sure to hold it back by continuing to discharge gay soldiers and defend the “Defense of Heterosexual-Only Marriage Act.” Gay people have a right to be angry. Gay people have been here before, during and after the founding of this nation, we aren’t waiting anymore for rights that should have been granted from the get go.
BTW, Martin Lurther King and Ghandi took inspiration for their non-violent resistance movements from Leo Tolstoy, a WHITE GAY MAN. Now I don’t believe in comparing or even using the black civil rights movement as a model to the gay liberation movement because they are so diffent however don’t think for a second Martin Lurther King came up with his ideas out of thin air. MLK had many inspirations including from gay people. Remember MLK’s most iconic moment, the “I Have a Dream” speech at the Lincolm Memorial, would not have happened without a gay man named Bayard Rustin.
The Gay Numbers
With Always Gay’s post, I can tell that many of you did not read the actual quote. Here’s the piece that’s relevant because you could not bother to read Always Gay:
“All too often, Black LGBT people extend our hand to work with our white colleagues, as we did in California on Proposition Eight, and all too often our white brothers and sisters stay frozen in a black/white construct that is still too separate and unwelcoming.”
Your comment has no relationship to what the quoted text says. It’s just you throwing out predetermined “issues” you have with race. And, just because you are black does not mean you do not have those issues. Since, if you did not have issues, you would actually bother to read.
petted
@strumpetwindsock: I believe he was also making a joke hence the ” cough, cough” a gag often done to indicate a jocular or otherwise insincere manner much like “wink wink” etc.
C-Teller
@AlwaysGay: “I am getting really sick of this racializing(heterosexualizing) of homosexuality. ”
Bringing up race with sexuality is “heterosexualizing” homosexuality? Oh.
C-Teller
@Dabq:
I feel like a good amount of people here just need to come out an scream “white [gay?] power”. It’s basically what many people here are subtly implying anyway.
What did Terrance’s post say?
TikiHead
These threads that mention race sure bring out some ‘interesting’ sentiments.
AlwaysGay
@The Gay Numbers: I read the quote. The No on Prop 8 campaign reached out to racial organizations (and gay people) early. Many expected Prop 8 to fail so money was scarce in August and September. The No on Prop 8 campaign had little money to create television ads let alone give it to racial organizations. Once a poll came out in late September showing that Prop 8 would pass that changed, all of a sudden people started donating money and time but it was too late. Several people from the NAACP branch in California pocketed money given to them and never did anything. The same thing happened with Latino organizations. Asian groups held a few No on Prop 8 rallies and press conferences and made online videos.
If you knew anything about gay history you would know there is a long history running right up to the present day of gay people being taken advantage of or being denied assistance. Several Stonewall rioters worked in non-gay organizations and reached out to them during the riot only to be rejected. Jim Fouratt explained on The Charlie Rose Show back in 1994:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1121662526008590137&ei=FFpSSriAIMHYlQex-8yrDg&q=charlie+rose+stonewall&hl=en
@C-Teller: Yes. Jason Barlet is using the language of heterosexuals to attack gay people.
Proof
“@AlwaysGay:
“The No on Prop 8 campaign reached out to racial organizations (and gay people) early. Many expected Prop 8 to fail so money was scarce in August and September. The No on Prop 8 campaign had little money to create television ads let alone give it to racial organizations. Once a poll came out in late September showing that Prop 8 would pass that changed, all of a sudden people started donating money and time but it was too late. Several people from the NAACP branch in California pocketed money given to them and never did anything. The same thing happened with Latino organizations. Asian groups held a few No on Prop 8 rallies and press conferences and made online videos.”
Proof or it didn’t happen.
Proof
@AlwaysGay:
And where is the proof that Leo Tolstoy is gay?
C-Teller
@AlwaysGay:
What is the “language of heterosexuals” that he’s using here? Is it saying there are some racist white gay people that other white gay people would like to ignore?
RainaWeather
@Dabq: Not to get all religious on you, but as they say, even Satan can quote the scripture.
galefan2004
No offense, but the black community does not own the civil rights struggle. There were WHITE people involved in the civil rights struggle for black rights. To not recognize them and to say you own it is just garbage. Seriously. If it wasn’t for white sympathizers blacks would still be on plantations in the south. I love how the black community is so quick to throw all those white abolitionists and sympathizers under the bus in their rewrite of history. We get it, some white mother fuckers that I personally would have kicked in the head myself decided you weren’t equal to them and you now think all whites were bad. Well, that simply is not true. If the black community wants to heal the racial divide it needs to start by not calling every white person it sees a racist. Also, Obama is still half white and half black. I love how the black community just loves to throw his white side under the buss every chance they get. Obama is the walking definition of racial equality.
DuttyBarb
@Galefan2004,
Well said(God that hurt). Well said indeed. Blacks whine too much about racism…its old. Things sucked then, and do now sometimes but we don’t have to carry this to our children or their children. We can heal the wounds now and begin to create a new future.
God will help us make this possible.
As for LGBT rights, i do not support the lifestlye as a whole. I cant get my head around it, im sorry but i cant. However, one has to respect where the fight is coming from. It is hard to imagine that you can walk down the street and be attacked for who you choose to sleep with. It is victimization and i support laws that protect such acts. But to ask people to accept something ..this lifestyle of two men doing things to each other that they should be doing with women..that’s hard. It is hard. No matter what is said or how many tears are shed.
Gays should not be victimized, they shouldn’t lose their jobs, their families should not be attacked or exempted from protection but to force your lifestyle down everyone’s throats.
Its hard to accept or even tolerate. I’m sorry but it is just too hard for many of us to accept
RainaWeather
@galefan2004: Yeah, because when you see Obama the first thing you think is “half white,” not “black.”
RainaWeather
Who is this black community, and am I a part of it? Apparently I’m racist and homophobic because I happened to be born black. This site is being taken over by fucktards.
ben
“Its hard to accept or even tolerate.”
What’s so hard to accept or tolerate? No one is telling you that you have to have sex with someone of the same sex so where is the difficulty? Why are you even on this site if you can barely tolerate gays?
jason
The black community doesn’t just contain random homophobia, it also contains institutionalized homophobia. I was shocked by the lack of black faces in gay rights parades, for instance.
jason
Blacks seem to think that they own the civil rights notion. Give me a break. Civil rights don’t belong to blacks alone. Black people deserve the same civil rights as everybody else but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let them own the concept.
AlwaysGay
@C-Teller: Jason, said black heterosexuals are not ready for gay people recieving equal rights and suggested therefore we should wait. If we have to wait until heterosexuals of any color are comfortable with gay people recieving equal rights then it will never happen. He suggests that basically white gay people own homosexuality by only mentioning them, a stereotype many non-white heterosexuals have. Non-white gay people are in every major gay organization. He also suggested that white gay people are rich and well-connected. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even though gay people are much more likely to recieve a post-high school education we, gay people, are disciminated in pay and are paid less than heterosexuals.
galefan2004
@RainaWeather: Personally for me, the first thing I think is that he is a hot looking guy that just so happens to have a black parent and a white parent. Its hard for me to look at Obama and not think racial equality because he is equally black and equally white. I think you need to explore your own racial views (and I don’t even care if you are black when I say this) if you honestly look at him and automatically say he is black. That would be like looking direct at him and saying he is a radical Muslim and I think only people that were crazy enough to eventually vote for senile John McCain can do that.
galefan2004
@ben: It is a good question. I honestly think she is here because she really wants to try to get her head wrapped around the lifestyle. I think she is one of those bigots that don’t necessarily hate gays but instead hate gay action. I don’t even think she realizes how stupid that sounds. Seriously though, no one is asking her to be with another woman. Honestly, if I thought about every straight guy I ever met having sex with a woman I wouldn’t allow myself to be around any straight guys. I think she needs to learn to separate the sexual act from the person. Either which way, I will honestly take her over SM every day because she is upfront and honest about her hatred of gay sex where as SM tries to make himself look all special because he got involved with Prop 8, although he doesn’t realize that many more of us have done much more for the cause than he has.
The Gay Numbers
@C-Teller: Good luck on getting Always gay to admit he’s bringing his baggage to this. As I said previously, an honest assessment of the quote is that it is saying that both sides need to clean up their acts. But he chooses to read it as one.
The Gay Numbers
@RainaWeather: Racists are not really taking over. There were here all along. Jason for examples always spews the most retarded shit. You also count for the the subset of black gays with issue with the black community to use it as an excuse to bash all African Americans. They only reinforce the point that there are indeed bigots.
Cat Man
Give me a motherfuckin break. How about blacks making an effort to build some bridges with the GLBT community? Black folks need to stop and remember where they came from…a long history of discrimination. More so than any other minority group is the USA and arguably the world. Though it may or may not be the exact same kind of discrimination that GLBT folk face, it is still discrimination and not taking a stand against it means many blacks have forgotten what the core meaning of the civil rights movement was about…equality for ALL. I am black, gay and proud to be both but will not give blacks a free pass on their bigotry. A black bigot makes about as much sense a Hilter loving Jew.
Brian Miller
Oh, great, more racial divisiveness, just what we need.
The conflicting political power struggles in the LGBT and political elites will NEVER allow this issue to be even reasonably discussed, let alone resolved. Every black queer person who has encountered racism is accused of being a liar, and every white queer person who does not accept that he’s a satanic racist oppressor is accused of being a bigot.
That’s precisely the goal of most of these “discussions” — paralysis. Until we either grow enough of a pair of gonads to discuss these issues honestly (without the constant hysterical shrieks of “bigot”), there’s absolutely no point in discussing them whatsoever.
Brian Miller
@The Gay Numbers: Your rhetoric is a perfect example of the problem with the discussion. Not a single person may disagree with you on ANY race issue without them being accused of being a racist bigot.
Go back and read some of your posts from a neutral view. You equate EVERYONE with Jason or the KKK who deigns to disagree with you on a race issue — so the average adaptation of the average person attempting to engage in discussion with you is to roll their eyes and ignore you… undermining the cause of dialogue you claim to be seeking.
Dialogue, after all, is a two-way street, not a one-way mirror.
Brian Miller
@InExile: We need to take a page from the republican’s play book and stick together no matter what. We have enough odds against us all without infighting and accusations.
Exactly — but the entire point of race discussions is to cause divisiveness.
Jasmyne Cannick, for instance, immediately puts all caucasian queer folks on the defensive demanding they “explain” some racist Atlanta drag queen and attributing his antics to them. She then states that you cannot expect her to support the 14th amendment equal protection rights of all LGBT people because you’re somehow responsible for that drag queen’s nonsense.
Then, she argues that marriage and family life is a “white” issue.
It’s all so very tragic that people take the bait. It certainly divides people along race, political, geographic and economic lines — and that’s precisely what it’s SUPPOSED to do. I would not be at all surprised to learn that Jasmyne is on the take from the DNC or Obama campaign to do precisely that.
Cat Man
@Brian Miller:
I hear ya Brian and agree to a large degree. However I don’t think that the of “constant hysterical shrieks of “bigot” are inapproriate or overused. Sometimes you have to call it how you see it. I have rarely ever faced blatant racsim in the ill-assumed all white gay community but the homophobia in the black community is rampant and much worse than what many realize. Those (not all blacks of course) who are homophobic ARE in fact downright BIGOTS. And that’s putting it mildly. The interesting thing is, the black disdain for gays is so strong that race goes out of the window when it comes to homosexuality. Do you really think that black homophobes treats black gays any better than white gays? Well let me be the first to tell you, they do NOT!!!
Brian Miller
@Cat Man: Sometimes you have to call it how you see it.
I agree… but there’s also abuse of the power dynamic there. Gay people do it too, when gay people call straight people who aren’t homophobic “bigots” in an attempt to silence them on some controversial issue.
Apparently it’s not enough to simply agree that racism and homophobia are both wrong… it turns into this painful and dehumanizing barrage of fire.
For example, I have pointed out EVERY time that the California situation was a clusterfuck for everyone (who tried to be) involved. The vast majority of “white gays” who tried to get involved also got turned away.
Further, as a “white gay,” I don’t have the power to force Joe Solomonese or any of the other power brokers at Gay Inc. to open up their doors.
That’s why I prefer to work the grassroots — which has plenty of people of every background involved (as the post-Prop-H8 protests amply demonstrated).
Perhaps if self-appointed “leaders” of every stripe stopped bitching about how they haven’t been appointed to committees, and instead rolled up their sleeves and got to work with the proles, we’d get more done. But of course, that’s out of the question for all too many of them.
Elbertoons
@ gimme lol cats – thoughtfully expressed, thank you
and furthermore about society making its own rules, yes, and thankfully in ours we can applaud the media and public relations etc. which have shaped the american psyche to fetishize standards and symbolism…The educational system needs to be restructured in order for true global equality to exist…It goes without saying that there is always room for improving the commitment to understand all that is different.
Jonathan
@Jaisne Blue Sexton:
for the win!
The Gay Numbers
@Brian Miller: You are bigotted. It is not your disagreement that produces the reason why you are a bigot. It’s your actual views that can not stomach hearing that you are less than perfect on race without quoting MLK and discusisng how the blacks in your organization don’t discuss race so it’s not important or when you discount examples of which other organizations such as Prop 8 ignored offers by black groups. See, the problem here is that you are bigotted, but you don’t see it and never will because you are soft form of bigotry. the kind that says “I am not burning any crosses and I tolerate black folks” so anytime they say anything “it’s them whining and gripping.” You are just a bigotted as the hard core form except you make it polite. Just like there are hard and soft forms of homophobia. I don’t play around with either or sugarcoat them. So you can pretend as much asyou need that this is not about your issues with race, it’s still fantasy to say “well okay they did reach out, but you know it was still their fault for not accepting their hands being slapped away. they should have took it anyway.” That’s your response. It’s bullshit, and insulting. ou would accept that from anyone. Why should black gays? Yet you expect them to. That’s bigotry.
The Gay Numbers
@Cat Man: I can bring a few whte gay friends on here if they would bother to even talk to someone like you to point out the times they had to actually defend me in a mostly white gay establishment because of the behavior of fellow white gays toward me. So, you can say as much as you want “I never personally” It does not mean shit. You aren’t the universe. Nor am I for that matter. What matters is do I see others describes incidents that I also have experienced. If so, then it’s not just me. It’s not just my group of friends. It’s general problem.
dlpca
@InExile: I agree. We tend to be our own enemy, sabotaging our efforts for acceptance and civil rights by not being together, unconditionally accepting our own “no matter what”. How can we expect others to welcome our rights as equal when we cannot see ourselves as equal within our vast community of diversity.
Yes, there is so much work to be done before all people are allowed equal rights. the problem is that law enforcement, politics and other areas housing anti-gay hate know how to keep us separated. they know how to dissolve any hope for Gay solidarity. they use us against ourselves. How many Gay cops do you see infiltrating Gay establishments, participating in entrapment stings, set-ups and raids to criminalize our Gay brothers and sisters? We are being used to destroy ourselves. We have no leadership and no strength in our numbers.
Our collective voice is silenced; weakened by intimidation, harassment, estrangement, fear and targeting. We are passive aggressively under attack with no defensive plan or intent for recourse. Instead we turn on each other, blaming each other when we should be using our creative resources to build a course of action. We Gay men and Women are contributors to the foundation and economical sustenance of this country, this world. We have to come together or the injustice of bashings, hate based murders, harassment, employment sabotage and wrongful terminations (DADT) will continue well through the current Presidential administration. We need to become the screamers we can be and let Obama hear our cry for civil rights until he has no choice but to respond by giving us the protection promised by the US constitution.
You see this is more than just a matter or civil liberty, this is a matter of constitution law; that which President Obama knows well as former professor.
BS ALERT
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t polling data CONSISTENTLY show that the black community overwhelmingly favors DISCRIMINATING AGAINST GAY AMERICANS and denying gay people our equality? And the majority of African Americans voted in favor of Prop 8 and continue to vote against gay equality in other states throughout America?
And yet, they blame White gays? WTF?
BS ALERT
” But he is a President whose constituencyâand I do not mean white, Middle America, but his constituency of Black Americansâdoes not stand with him or follow his argument on civil rights encompassing LGBT rights.”
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That is the problem. PERIOD. It’s not White gays. It’s homophobia that is running unchecked withing the African American community. And it’s been this way for far too long. Coretta Scott King herself was calling for a war on homophobia within the black community years ago. Her calls, sadly, fell on deaf ears.
Kyle
@RainaWeather: Agreed. Who is running this site these days? Seems they create more and more division between each of us day after day. Its getting nasty in here.
It boils down to us all being in this together, and we need to put aside any differences here and realize nothing is going to change unless we can change for the better.
C-Teller
@Kyle:
They’re not talking about Queerty’s writers. They’re talking about its commenters.
RainaWeather
@galefan2004:
“I think you need to explore your own racial views (and I don’t even care if you are black when I say this) if you honestly look at him and automatically say he is black.”
God forgive me for looking at a man who looks like a black man and thinking he is a black man. How blind of me. Forget the fact that there are tons of people all over who look like Obama and have two black parents. There are people who look almost white and have two black parents. There is nothing for me to examine, I know that he has a white parent, but that doesn’t change the fact that when people first see a man who looks like Obama, they think “black man.”
And if you want to get technical, he probably is not technically 50% black and 50% white. That would be assuming that his father has absolutely no non African lineage and his mother has absolutely no non European heritage (which is technically impossible).
And speaking of Obama being “hot.” Aren’t you the same person who said you don’t like black men because they lack variety? Or do you only find his white side hot? Do you have to know the genotype of a man before you can find him attractive?
bek
@Dennis: the fact that people even need to be “swayed” in order to act right just continually lessens my already diminishing faith in humanity …
i am consistently appalled at people’s inability to engage in simple, basic critical thinking skills. ugh. drop the race shit and focus on the real issue at hand.
galefan2004
@RainaWeather: Obama doesn’t look that black. When people look at him they know his story. They know he has a white parent and a black parent. The black community just tends to discount the white half. That is still better than the white community that tends to no accept the person as a whole because of the black half. As I have said, Obama is the walking definition of racial equality and that scares the hell out of people on both sides of the divide.
I was wrong, I am still not attracted to most black men. However, some of them are relatively attractive. Normally the ones I go for are lighter skin and have fewer African features though.
isaac420
Come on everybody wake up! No matter what race you are most people don’t care what it is once they find out you are gay. You automatically become a “gay person” no matter what. All this talk about black gays and white gays is a distraction, perhaps an intentional one by people who want to delay action on giving us our rights.
BS ALERT
If Whites are the problem, then why does the majority of the black population vote against gay equality while the majority of the white population votes in favor?
C-Teller
@BS ALERT:
If that was true why don’t we have full gay equality yet? Remember whites are the majority in the is country đ