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Why Is No One Upset That Tracy Morgan Called His Son A “Little Nigger”?

Morgan is an exaggerating insult comic, no different or worse than Lisa Lampinelli or Joan Rivers, who once referred to First-Lady Michelle Obama as “Blackey O” (as opposed to Jackie O Kennedy.) Regardless of Lampinelli’s and Rivers’ often brutally race-based jokes, both are still highly regarded in the same community now after Morgan’s job.

Further evidence of media bias is the fact that Morgan also referred to his son as a ‘little nigga’ he would stab. This was perhaps the most destructive passage among Morgan’s comments. His comedic focus was not on homosexuality, but on bullying, [Black] masculinity and manhood. Morgan correlated having a ‘gay voice’ with being vulnerable or feminine, a common perspective in communities of color. This includes among homosexuals, many who will lower the tone of their voice for more acceptance among each other.

A cultural interpretation of Morgan words could be, ‘My son better not allow himself to be bullied (like a bitch). He better be a strong [Black] man, and not weak, or there will be consequences.’ Morgan is a comedian. Of course he has no intentions of stabbing his son. Yet he is also a Black male comedian, with Black male American experience. In response to Morgan’s Nashville tirade, the level of outcry among Blacks, including those who identify as gay, has been relatively minor. Likely because many were able to culturally interpret Morgan’s comments…

While much has been made in the media, both mainstream and gay, about the “homophobic” nature of Mr. Morgan’s comments, no reporting or news analysis has covered Mr. Morgan’s statements of violence towards his son, or reference to him as a “little nigga.” While media analysis and opinion makers are worried that Mr. Morgan may be endorsing or at the very least encouraging hatred towards gay-identifying people, they are not similarly concerned that he may be endorsing or trivializing violence towards the most vulnerable of Black people – Black children. By using the Phrase “…stab that little nigger to death,” Mr. Morgan clearly was making an anti-Black comment. But for white controlled mainstream media this clearly is not an important issue.

- Cleo Manago, National Director of the Black Men’s Xchange, the nation’s oldest and largest community-based movement devoted to advocacy and empowerment for same gender loving (SGL), bisexual and gay-identifying African-descended males, responding to reports that during a Nashville stand-up routine that comedian Tracy Morgan said, “[My son] better talk to me like a man and not in a gay voice or I’ll pull out a knife and stab that little nigger to death.”

Manago added, “[In no way do I] condone any language or energy that promotes violence and agrees that Tracey should cease any behavior that does not affirm and lift the spirit of all people, particularly his people, Black people.”

By:           Daniel Villarreal
On:           Jun 14, 2011
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  • 95 Comments
    • Right Wingers Are Socioptahs (John From England)
      Right Wingers Are Socioptahs (John From England)

      The problem is that black people have not infiltrated the mainstream media like gays, white men, old men, middle class men and women…

      Just the way it is. People stick up for their own.

      Worse thing is that black people don’t care that he said little nigga, so why will the media?

      Jun 14, 2011 at 11:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tallskin
      Tallskin

      /////He better be a strong [Black] man, and not weak

      ****Odd, because apart from amongst the stupid and sports-persons, being macho and physically strong is pretty worthless these days.

      Brain power and intelligence are the things one needs to be successful and earn a good living.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 11:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RomanHans
      RomanHans

      > His comedic focus was not on homosexuality, but on bullying

      Oh, ridiculous. This was Mr. Morgan’s second time of saying in performance that homosexuality is a choice. Nothing to do with bullying. Said he’d stab his son if he was gay. Nothing to do with bullying.

      As a gay man, I see it as a gay issue, and argue about it as a gay issue. If somebody else sees it as a bullying issue, they can attack it on that front.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 11:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • cybernoelie
      cybernoelie

      What bullshit.

      The rant was homophobic not racist. On top of that if you really want to bring up other issues then the rant was about the bullying of kids by (homophobic) parents – black, white, whatever.

      Really, people like Cleo Manago are a serious problem in the gay community. He’s being divisive and trying to make it all about his organization when he should be saying something more like…yes it was homphobic AND it was…whatever. He should be joining us and not trying to siphon off some support.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • christopher di spirito
      christopher di spirito

      Blacks refer to themselves as “niggers” all the time in popular culture.

      I hear it at the Mall and I hear it in Rap and Hip Hop music. I’ve heard it said by black people at bars and at sporting events.

      Tracy Morgan’s rant had less to do with racism and everything to do with homophobia. He said he would kill his son if he were gay. Let’s stay on topic, please.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mal Tempo
      Mal Tempo

      and I thought Tracy Morgan was gay.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • VictorG
      VictorG

      Hate is hate. Can’t believe that “enlightened” comedians like Whoopi Goldberg are defending this murderous rant on any level. Killing someone for being gay is still homophobia. Black people use the “n” word all the time, I don’t get it and I don’t use it, not only because I’m not black, but because I don’t call other gay people fags either; those are loaded hateful words.

      This is Gay Pride Month. There should be a discussion of the homophobia in the African-American community and in the entertainment industry and how they reinforce each other. That would be groundbreaking.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jak
      Jak

      @Tallskin:

      You really don’t understand that by “strong” he meant mentally tough? Maybe you’ve got a bit of bias going on?

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Saywhatnow?
      Saywhatnow?

      So who’s that a picture of… ’cause that’s not Tracy Morgan.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jak
      Jak

      @christopher di spirito: @cybernoelie:

      You’re both wrong and are missing the point. The use of the word “nigger” by Blacks is a reflection of self-hatred. Why is it so hard to understand that just as there are self-hating gays whose view of themselves has been created by societal homophobia that African-Americans might be affected by societal racism?

      Morgan’s schtick was homophobic but it also clearly reflected racism.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joe
      Joe

      AHHHHH, it can be both, why must every incident turn into this awful debate of who has it worse, who’s really the victim? Do we WANT to be the victim? Look, I get it from both sides, but really, a comment can be filled with homophobia AND racism at the same time, its like a sale, two for the price of one. You might find the gay part more problematic, someone else might be more disturbed by the racial aspect. Thats okay, lets just stop devolving into inane arguments about who is truly being oppressed, cause the answer is both of us!

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • cybernoelie
      cybernoelie

      @Jak: More bullshit. You can’t take one incident of the use of ‘nigga’ by a black guy and apply it to all black people and declare it to mean something other than what has been understood by it for a long time and that is that the word is used to ‘own’ it and to take away the racist meaning – just like some gays use the word fag among themselves – I don’t agree with either one being used btw. Use of such words by the people they were originally used against has long been understood as a way of neutralizing them.

      This whole article also exposes the vast, and as yet not understood, rift between blacks and gays when it comes to gays having equality and expecting blacks to empathize (such as with Prop 8).

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • cybernoelie
      cybernoelie

      @Joe: Exactly!

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @Joe: Hallelujah grrl!

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      Take power away from words. We’re bigger than that, and a thick skin never hurt anyone either…

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      The thing is, it is still acceptable in some circles to be killed for being LGBT. Especially the T. That is, on NO level, acceptable as far as race based crimes. Homophobia is still written into our very laws. Racism is not.

      But BOTH are alive and well. Morgan shouldn’t have made neither homophobic nor racist slurs. End of story. He crossed some serious lines here on both fronts.

      And this is NOT the first time this man has been an open ‘phobe.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 12:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steve
      Steve

      It wasn’t racist because no one is making it racist. Black people don’t have a problem when other black people say “nigger” but god forbid a white person says it – they’ll be lucky enough to say “I’m sorry!” afterwards.

      Was it racist? I’m sure if we cosider calling people “nigger” racist, then by all means, yes it was racist. BUT, Morgan didn’t say that he would stab his son for being black, did he? No. He would only stab his son if his son was gay. That clearly shows very little racism and very much homophobia. So Mr. Manago, who I’ve never heard of, can shut up acting like he knows what’s really happening when clearly he can’t even read a basic transcript of Morgan’s remarks and find some context within them. Everyone has called Morgan on his homophobia and violence towards children, yet he says we’ve ignored that altter and wants us to instead focus on race. Race isn’t as controversial, nor as targeted, as homosexuality is, so why the fuck should we focus on something that, in this controversy anyways, isn’t an issue at all?

      Jun 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • T.
      T.

      @VictorG:

      I think that’s the biggest problem. I hate it when people say all black people use the n-word all the time. That’s is so false.

      What about movies, books etc who use the n-word?

      If you were offended over the gay joke, you should have been offended of the n-word 2.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 2:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • T.
      T.

      offended over the n-word 2. I guess it a black thang and you wouldn’t understand.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 2:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Desmond Joven
      Desmond Joven

      Most of the people here in this debate seem either to be white, very ignorant about black culture or in denial. If you read Morgan’s whole quote his routine did begin on the topic of gay bullying. Then at some point he said ““[My son] better talk to me like a man and not in a gay voice or I’ll pull out a knife and stab that little nigger to death.”

      Why do some of you heep saying he was going to stab his son (as a joke) if he was gay? That’s not what he said. He said if his son had a “gay voice.” If you were black you would know what that realy meant. Based on the joke, even if his son was gay he doesn’t want him talking in an effeminate way which could hget him bullied. I don’t like Tracy Morgan’s comedy or much of anything else about him, but I don’t go deaf as a result. I heard what he really said. One of you said you never heard of Cleo Manago. 3 years ago you never heard of Barack Obama either. What’s your point? Many people all over the country have heard of Cleo Manago. Google him and stop being disrespectful, if you care.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 2:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      “Further evidence of media bias is the fact that Morgan also referred to his son as a ‘little nigga’ he would stab. This was perhaps the most destructive passage among Morgan’s comments”
      __________________________

      That is an idiotic comment. The REASON he isn’t being attacked for it is because the media is well aware that if you attack him for it you will get ridiculed by his defenders screaming at you that as a black man he is perfectly able to use that word.

      But then again why am I shocked? Every single time somebody publiclly attacks gays the defenders will come out and drag out ANY excuse to claim that the attacker is the victim of some media comspiracy.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 2:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sebastian
      Sebastian

      “Let him who is without sin throw the first stone” since the christian groups call me a sinner….give me a stone, hell give all GLBT people a stone and we can fight back! I am not condoning violence…just making a comment. We can use our voices as stones and our actions. I shall no longer watch or buy anything that is afiliated with Tracy Morgan. That is my stone!

      Jun 14, 2011 at 2:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kim
      Kim

      @christopher di spirito: The gay men I know call each other faggots , Queers, bitches all the time . I hear it daily. I rarely hear Blacks calling each other “nigger” , I do hear them using the term “Nigga”

      Jun 14, 2011 at 3:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @Steve: Running off @ the mouth is a slippery slope Steve… I agree essentially with what you’re saying, but you negated your own credibility pretty early with a blanket generalizations like
      “Black people don’t have a problem when other black people say “nigger” but god forbid a white person says it”. Are you Black? Have you been Black any time recently? Do you KNOW that all Blacks are ok with the usage of the word, because Hi, I’m Black, and while I don’t personally give ANY word power over my emotions, I know PLENTY of black folks who bristle @ the term….just sayin’, a smart person becomes a dumb 1 pretty quick when they speak for whole groups (esp ones to which they presumably don’t pertain!)

      Also, saying shit like “they’ll be lucky enough to say “I’m sorry!” afterwards.” is just plain HURTFUL.
      I’ve had the word said to me (in anger, in jest, in casual passing)
      and I’ve NEVER done someone physical harm for it. SO for you to imply that “Blacks will beat you up!” is just plain ignorant.
      Again, this is how you lose people @ the very begining of an argument- YOU ALIENATE THEM

      Jun 14, 2011 at 4:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @Kim: said…

      “The gay men I know call each other faggots , Queers, bitches all the time . I hear it daily. I rarely hear Blacks calling each other “nigger” , I do hear them using the term “Nigga””
      _________________________

      My guess is, you must live in Idaho, or some location without much racial diversity.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 4:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lvng1tor
      Lvng1tor

      My favorite part of Joan Rivers routines is when she called for people to kill and eat Elizabeth Taylor or anyone choosing to wear White Diamonds. She and Tracy are just the same! Oh what fun

      Jun 14, 2011 at 5:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Justin
      Justin

      @christopher di spirito: Just because something is popular doesn’t make it right. There are plenty of black people who never say that word because of how painful it is. Calling someone a nigger can be, and often is, just as hurtful as calling someone a faggot. For the guy who wrote this post (and for the guy writing this comment), both terms are equally vile.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 5:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      I don’t think Joan Rivers ever said she would stab and basically murder anyone. Tracy Morgan and everyone else knows damn well the phrase little nigga can be interpreted as a term of endearment. Those words are by no means the most destructive passage coming from the mouth of who said it. Putting down effeminate men because they may be perceived as a bitch is both gender bashing and homophobic. It is not noble for Tracy Morgan to do so and it is not convincing or acceptable to say as a father one can relate to it. Much of the mainstream media is gay so Manago is misinformed on that as well and i have heard lots of comments condeming the violent nature of Morgans comments so i don’t know what he is referring to about that either. Why does Managa feel that because Tracy Morgan makes an anti black statement that that should somehow trump his anti gay stance on violence against people including his own son for being gay? That is the essence of turning things around to make oneself a victim. It is the same as saying that black people are more important than gay people by accusing all people of thinking gay people are more important than black people when it’s a person of color that happens to be the gay basher as in this particular case. Notice how Managa attacks the so called white mainstream media for not covering little black children to get Tracy Morgan off the hook for gay bashing? Tracy Morgan failed at uplifting anyone, black, gay or white. What a load of psychobabble bullshit. I don’t have to qualify to anyone the current state of the black community in any way shape or form to address Tracy Morgans homophobia as Managa seems to suggest.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 5:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Justin: re: no. 27: so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Dr. Dick: re: no. 24- so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Sebastian: re: no. 22- so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Cam: re: no. 21- so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Desmond Joven: Re: no. 20- There is nothing wrong with having a gay voice and it is gay bashing to attack someone if you perceive and define someones voice as gay. It is their voice. It is who they are.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @T.: re: no. 18 and 19: so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Steve: re: no. 17- so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Shannon1981: re: no. 16- so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @RomanHans: re: no. 3- so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @cybernoelie: re: no. 4- so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @christopher di spirito: re: no. 5- so true and we would not be needing to discuss any of it if not for what Tracy Morgan started.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Lvng1tor: A commedienne talking about people like Elizabeth Taylor or Michael Jackson is not the same as gay bashing your son. They were public people and they both were like distorted Disney Cartoons. Anyone can get away saying anything about them.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Desmond Joven: People made fun of Michael Jacksons effeminate voice for years but i don’t remember Tracy Morgan or anyone saying they would kill the little nigga because of it. So… now what? That would be homophobic as well as racist but it would be more homophobic than racist. Just in case you are wondering why i used Michael Jackson as an example i want to say that it is because of his voice first and his race second. That is what you are implying. Beat you to the punch Nigga. Hey hey what’s the big fucking deal right? You know what it means cause you aint deaf.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • christopher di spirito
      christopher di spirito

      @Kim: Kim, I don’t know where you live geographically that you hear such use of language each day. I live in the Palm Springs metro area where 1-in-7 households is gay or lesbian and I never hear gay men refer to one another as “faggot,” “queer,” or “bitch.” However, a trip 30 miles west on I-10 to the Ontario Fashion Mall and I hear the black kids constantly regurgitate “nigger this,” “nigger that.” I find it more than a little curious. It’s also worth noting it’s always among teenagers.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @ewe: But isn’t it better that we are discussing it??? I mean, I haven’t seen this spirited a conversation in a long while. But to address post #28, I have to call a lil hypocrisy. “Psychobabble bullshit”??? Is THAT what you call ethnologic explanations to a viewpoint that you don not share? I mean, if nothing else is clear here, it’s that the perspective tends to change with the Color of the beholder. There exist a number of us, Queer, Black & Proud, who have been targeted by some facet of White Society for our race, AND been targeted by our own people for our Queerness, so you have to give us a little credit in saying there are nuances here that you cannot see. And until you’ve had the uniquely harrowing experience of being a queer Black Man, I simply ask that you AGREE that there are levels here.

      I still think what he said was truly horrifying (and I hope he suffers apporpriate consequences), but @ the end of the day, there are more people (white/black/brown/etc) ACTUALLY killing us than making shitty-muderous jokes.
      And REAL bigots stand by their hateful beliefs, they don’t make waste time making fake apologies….ultimately no one but Tracy Morgan knows how he feels about Teh Gheys, so let’s NOT “lynch him”

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • christopher di spirito
      christopher di spirito

      @ewe: I think this is a healthy discussion. White Americans are uncomfortable discussing race. I assume it’s due to white guilt. However, I don’t think any topic should off limits. From what I gather, many white liberals thought with the election of Barack Obama, we would suddenly inhabit a post-racial world. It’s not so simple.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      Why would one apologize if they possessed enough integrity to stand by their words?

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @christopher di spirito: I agree but what Tracy Morgan said is about homophobia not race. He is well aware that his son is black. That is not his issue. Race has nothing to do with this particular case.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 6:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @christopher di spirito: IT’S PRONOUNED “NIGGA”
      “NI-GUH”, I’ve been black my whole damn life, and with the exception of non-PC(read:not affected by words) blacks quoting the proverbial “Red Necks”, no one says “Nig-geR”.
      This is like, the 1 time I’m ok with speaking for “Teh Blaques”, cuz I ain’t wrong,
      but WHO CARES like I said before, come to the Bay Area and you will here more Chinese, Cambodian, Khmer, Nicaraguense, Salvadorenya, etc kids sayin “Nigga” than you’d believe. Sam goes for Latinos in the Bronx/BK and such. The term was mass-marketed to legions upon legions of kids of all demographics with the commercialization of the Hip Hop industry. If you really wanna blame somebody, n offense, but blame the Network censors who let “nigga” slide on tv, but not “faggot”/”kike”/”dyke”(sometimes)….
      Maybe no one should say it, maybe everyone… I personally don’t give a fuck what you call me, I’m secure in my race, my sexual identity and myself. If we taught our kids that, there’d be no bullying

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Hutch
      Hutch

      I’m in absolute agreement with @Joe. Homophobia and racism don’t have to exist exclusively and in this instance Morgan’s statements have elements of both.

      I would like to add that saying “Black people” use the word nigger/nigga all the time thus giving it some kind “validation” in the community is in itself racist assumption. I can assure you as a black American, that word was never allowed in my family and to this day I cringe when I hear the word so nonchalantly by any individual.

      No doubt there is prolific use of the word in the community, but assuming all blacks approve use of the word is false.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Dr. Dick: I have no problem following your words and honor your feelings but what Tracy Morgan said was not about race. It was about being perceived as homosexual. I am not lynching Tracy Morgan. He plays stupid and i personally do not like it but the real message is that not every subject is available to him or anyone if it involves bashing gay people and promoting violence to those that are perceived to be gay merely for public consumption and personal financial gain. I don’t hear comedians on stage talking about lynching black people for being black. It is unacceptable and everyone seems to agree on that. This is the same platform. The topic is about WHY he said he would kill the little nigga not about lynching tracy morgan.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      Also, just to put it out there, this is WAY more offensive to your average black person than any one word

      TheRealAdam said: “By far the most important comment on this thread from the LEAST important person. Good. Shut the fuck up, head back to your cage, go to bed and don’t come back, you fucking moron. Practically ever person who’s interacted with you has come to the same conclusion I did days/weeks ago: you’re a fucking tool and you hate white gays. You turn a severely homophobic moment into a pathetic episode of black victimization. People were gracious enough to converse with your stupid ass and tried desperately to see your point of view, then got fed up with your woe-is-black-me agenda. You’re lucky anybody gave you the time of day, because you simply aren’t worth a goddamn minute. Get some counseling and some pills, you dumb bitch.”

      That shit hurts…

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Hutch: The topic is Tracy Morgan.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Dr. Dick: Re: your statement “that shit hurts.” Hey i hear you and i think your honesty is beautiful but you must know that what Tracy Morgan said has as much to do with you as it does me. Which is NOTHING.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @ewe: Sure sure, no arguments here. What he said was extremely homophobic, and clearly not from the head of a smart man…
      I’ve stopped even TRYING to stay on topic in these discussions, because something hurtful is said everytime, and I want to address the symptoms of all sickness: ignorance.

      It’s a reinforced, archaicly brutish ignorance that keeps Blacks from accepting Gays as their siblings in struggle, but Equally Problematic for me is the ignorance of other cultures, other peoples in general, that borders on xenophobia. In SF, we all still remember the not-so-long-ago days when they straight up didn’t let blacks into certain gay bars… because of thinking like the quotation in #50.
      How can you ask empathy of a ‘similarly oppressed’ people if you can’t even identify with the basic principles of their culture?

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Hutch
      Hutch

      @ewe: I apologize. I didn’t realize you were the supreme moderator of this discussion. What I said was most certainly relevant to the post and subsequent comments. However, I could be sorely mistaken. I’ll defer to you from now on.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Dr. Dick: I agree with you except for one thing. I am not asking for empathy from an entire people. I am calling out Tracy Morgan for his own actions. Other people have nothing to do with what he said. Manago can say what he wants too and i addressed how i felt about what he said.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Hutch: That is one sorry attempt at being smug. But i will answer you. Participating in a discussion is not moderating it. You are just insecure.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Hutch
      Hutch

      @ewe: Insecure I’m not. Probably just a product of your own projection. Nonetheless saying, “The topic is Tracy Morgan” clearly assumes that what I was saying (in your opinion) is not pertinent to the discussion and effectually moderates the conversation. And THIS conversation with you is inane and diverts from the true discussion, so I refuse to participate in it with you any longer.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Hutch: Actually i am sorry. I jumped to conclusions. Forgive me. I have said more than once that i can at times and am often an asshole. And there are plenty of people that comment here that can vouch for that. lol. But did what i say at all attack anything about those intrinsic elements about your person the way Tracy Morgan did before he apologized? NO. Therein lies the difference. Plus he has much more of a responsibility because he reaches so many many many more people than either one of us do.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Hutch: And let’s not forget about his PR person who nonchalantly said “no comment” until the shit hit the fan.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steve
      Steve

      @Dr. Dick: I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to imply most of that, although I can see how that extremely poor word choice would suggest that.

      From my experience around black people (especially younger black people) the word “nigger” is used almost as a general nickname. From the millions of times I’ve heard black people say “nigger” in this way, I haven’t heard of a single complaint. But I’ve also heard white people say “nigger” in the same context, and they get an earful about racism or dirty looks (and in some cases, yes, violence.) As for the violence thing, I didn’t mean to simply imply that someone would get beat up for saying “nigger”, but I’ve seen several times where someone has made an effort to apologize for using the word, and the person they were apologizing to wouldn’t hear it. But like you said, that’s a gross generalization and I guess sorry for them and I apologize for offending you and anyone else who took offense.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Hutch
      Hutch

      @ewe: Well, I do agree that Morgan’s influence is much more substantial than either of us. While free speech is guaranteed, you’re right in that there is a proportional increase in responsibility with increasing influence–which Tracy Morgan has a lot of.

      For the record, I don’t think you’re an asshole. I don’t even know you and it’s often easy to misread into the interpretations of someone’s comments in text on topics of sexuality, race, politics, etc.

      Side Note: In my opinion, Tracy Morgan is not even funny, a horrible comedian, and the worst thing about 30 Rock…but to each his own.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 7:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @ewe: Other people have everything to do with this!!! What you called “psychobabble bullshit” is the reasoned analysis of why a groups acts the way they do, and (compassionately, not savagely) challenging 1 prominenet member of that group can help breach certain taboos, thus promoting conversations among these cultures about the reality of the hatred in their “beliefs”. So, not to keep buttin’ heads, but I’m still hoping to make myself truly (and respectfully) understandable to everyone.

      This is not about Tracy’s words alone,
      This is about how one man’s ignorance made people start talking + thinking about race in ways they hadn’t before (myself included obvi)
      But can we not see the possibility that 1 day we’ll look back and say,
      “Wow, that pudgy, Sambo-ian mongoloid catalyzed a dialectical shift in a whole culture’s views…..”

      Jun 14, 2011 at 8:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ogre Magi
      Ogre Magi

      @Dr. Dick: What is a Sambo-ian?

      Jun 14, 2011 at 8:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • christopher di spirito
      christopher di spirito

      @Dr. Dick: Well, Yippee Ki-Yay, Motherfucker! Glad to know you speak for every black person on planet Earth! Pheeeew, talk about narcissism!

      Jun 14, 2011 at 8:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • christopher di spirito
      christopher di spirito

      @ewe: I absolutely agree. Tracy Morgan a vicious homophobe.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 8:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      @Dr. Dick: We already know what is going to happen. The prominent figure will be desperately defended by apologists (already happened). And then resentment and conspiracy theories will arise (eg .. Isaiah Washington). And in a few months, another prominent figure will blast off and get in trouble. And more people will come to his defense: Oh he’s just a comedian/rapper/sports jock, boys will be boys, etc. And more gays will be called racist for objecting, and the only dialoguing will be a monologue filled with jack-ass assumptions by people who never listen to the other side.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 8:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @christopher di spirito: whoa man, I said that was the only time id speak for Us All. & All i was trying to illustrate is that the term does not have an “r”. I’ve been trying to keep personal attacks out of my posts. If you really read my few paltry opinions, you’d see i don’t disagree. Im just happy to engage in a debate and try to shed light on the other issues arrising as a result of 1 black man’s ignorance. Some of the people decrying him have ventured into the same kinda hate speech.
      I am not your enemy brother

      Jun 14, 2011 at 9:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @Kev C: I cant speak to “whats going to happen” next time someone says something hateful, i can only speak to how Im goin to react- impartially and with all the facts in front of me. Projecting outcomes to future faux-pas’ seems dangerous, at best…

      Jun 14, 2011 at 9:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @Ogre Magi: Im going to go ahead and define it as “like or pertaining to Sambo or similar stereotypes of blacks”

      Jun 14, 2011 at 9:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      @Dr. Dick: Not dangerous at all. I can say with 100% certainty that next time it happens, some apologists will say: Get over it .. Stop being so sensitive .. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Humans = predictable.

      Jun 14, 2011 at 10:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Pineapple_Politics727
      Pineapple_Politics727

      All I heard was “black people this…” and “black people that…” in the beginning of this comment section. lol

      Jun 15, 2011 at 4:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Carl
      Carl

      Queerty, please refer to the n-word as such. It IS offensive to many people, and to blatantly spell it out (like you have as a headline) is inappropriate and inexcusable.

      Jun 15, 2011 at 8:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Teresa
      Teresa

      @christopher di spirito:

      Yes. I hear gays call each other f%g. You said teenage black kids call each other the n-word. They do that shtt to try to be cool. You bet they don’t say that shtt at home. Most black parents don’t approve of the n-word in our homes.

      Jun 15, 2011 at 10:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Vic
      Vic

      Sambo, and other racist slurs. Gays can be just as racist and mean spirited. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

      Jun 15, 2011 at 10:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @Vic: Except that i called him sambo-esque in his portrayal of the “black doofus”. If u wanna talk racism in the Tracy threads, dont quote the mild-tempered black dude (me) as making racial slurs lol

      Jun 15, 2011 at 10:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @Kev C: That’s pretty bleak dude… By that same logic i should fear and mistrust whites since they only spent 600 years enslaving and exploiting every black brown and yella they found. So if humans are so predoctable, how have we made any progress? Cycles of behavior have to stop somewhere….. On all “sides”

      Jun 15, 2011 at 10:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dr. Dick
      Dr. Dick

      @Steve: Thanks steve, i appreciate it. But now, am i allowed to forgive you? I dont know you personally, your apology could’ve been hollow… I just to accept it because holding onto negativity is bad juju. Until you give me reason to be upset again, i wont just write people off for hurtful words

      Jun 15, 2011 at 10:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • LegacyofB
      LegacyofB

      Had to register just mainly to respond to the ignorance of the whole debate.

      If a majority of you guys actually read the article and tried to comprehend his argument, that his comments stems from bullying and that his son needs to be a man,and not a little bitch. His argument is based on a onesidedness in the debate of this whole issue. That he is JUST advocating violence against Homosexuals. When he also makes a joke of referring to his son through a racial epithet. When children of ALL races or income is vulnerable to child abuse and neglect. Why would a black man refer to his son as a n-er? Self hate which is why this article was put on Queerty. That self hate is evident in racial minorities as well as sexual.

      Jun 15, 2011 at 11:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • LegacyofB
      LegacyofB

      Also I hit reply too early but in my experiences I have to defend myself more from racial ignorance than sexual. So whoever said Gay have it worse than blacks, well that`s subjective. PM me if you wanna debate that But I will say this; marginalizing and oppression are totally different.

      This article was posted on Queerty to try bridge the gap between white and minority gays. But that can only be achieved if we have an honest( which can be hurtful for some people) and respectful debate. Which I havent really seen here.

      Jun 15, 2011 at 11:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Miedo
      Miedo

      Cuz we have ALL been told that’s not our word. So, I’m gonna let black folk fight amongst themselves on that one. You’re the ones with the love/hate relationship to that word. Embracing it, demonizing it…

      Jun 15, 2011 at 11:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      @Dr. Dick: You don’t change human nature. You recognize the obstacles and walk over them. That’s how you make progress.

      Jun 15, 2011 at 12:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • The crustybastard
      The crustybastard

      No one is upset because no one believes that Tracy Morgan’s joke was about stabbing his son for being black.

      Or little, for that matter.

      Jun 15, 2011 at 1:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CHYKOLAETHAI
      CHYKOLAETHAI

      Really Ms. Queerty is still on this shit and from reading all these ignorant ass cumments about how all black people use the word “nigger” is sum bullshit, people really need to get off the net and rejoin real life. I thought I was missing something by not being apart of the gay community but i see i ain’t missing shit gay or str8 people are still stupid ass hell.

      Jun 15, 2011 at 2:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dave
      Dave

      @Dr. Dick • Member. I was just making a comment in general. The hate and racial slurs are represented on a lot of blogs.

      Jun 16, 2011 at 10:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bre
      Bre

      @christopher di spirito And if Tracy Morgan is homophobe? So the f)(K what? Right or wrong. Gays need to accepts not everyone are into the gays. Just like some people don’t like blacks, Hispanics, Asians, whites etc. That’s just the world we live in. Tracy is trying to make amends and he has apologies. I don’t understand why this is a big deal? Why is this news? Since Tracy made the joke or rant, how many gays have been stabbed because of it? Yeah, what he said was stupid but I don’t think comics should be censor. No. I don’t condone violence. I believe in freedom of speech. Apparently, There’s no freedom of speech in Hollywood because gays run that shtt.

      Jun 16, 2011 at 10:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Juanita
      Juanita

      Wow. I think I am more shocked at some of the comments here than at what Tracy said. Hate is hate.

      Jun 16, 2011 at 11:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • **Maddison**
      **Maddison**

      I think we are a nations of liars and hypocrites because we all have laughed at vile, nasty, offensive comics who told sexist, racist and homophobic jokes.

      Jun 16, 2011 at 11:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      You know queerty…

      this is a DAMN good question. I’m a black man that hates it when black folks use the N-word

      Jun 16, 2011 at 11:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Steve:

      Uh, I have a problem with it when other black people call another black person a nigger.

      Lots of black people have problems with it.

      Jun 16, 2011 at 11:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Pauline
      Pauline

      As a black single mother, my son said that all the kids are saying the n-word. That word is not allowed in my house. I have a problem with it when black comedians, rappers etc us that word 2.

      Jun 16, 2011 at 12:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Q
      Q

      When will TM apologies for using the n-word?

      Jun 16, 2011 at 2:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RLS
      RLS

      I read these comments and can’t help but to laugh sometimes. I mean, do some of you know *any* black people at all? There are way too many people on gay messageboards who watch some rap videos and hood flicks from the 90′s and assign those behaviors to the entirety of all black culture.

      I’m not a PC guy. I say “faggot” all the time, and every once in a while a “nigga” will slide from my lips. I’d never say either however, unless in front of my close, close friends and as a matter of fact I had to read the hell out of some white queen I didn’t even know at fire island who thought he was being cute and edgy by referring to me as a “Negro” when I slid up to the bar. instead of it turning into some ugly scene he actually apologized profusely and we had a long (kinda drunken) convo about it. He learned something, and so did I.

      My point is although the Tracy Morgan stuff was hurtful, we are not going to be taken seriously if our goal is to play the thought police everytime someone says something stupid. And we’re definitely not doing ourselves any favors by devolving into racial namecalling when that someone is Black (as it seems like they so often are because the white celebrity homophobes seem to have the sense to keep quiet about it).

      If we keep this up, straights are gonna have the same eyeroll reaction when we talk about homophobia as most whites have when a person of color talks about racism.

      Jun 16, 2011 at 5:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David_Lee
      David_Lee

      I am reminded of Prop 8, where something like over 80& of blacks voted in favor of it.

      Jun 30, 2011 at 8:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shelia
      Shelia

      @Right Wingers Are Socioptahs (John From England): I am black and I care. As a matter of fact, I don’t know many people who don’t care. And, while we are on the issue, I don’t hear black people call each other the n-word either. There are a few blacks that do that but I can’t recall the last time I heard that term. Although I don’t listen to gangsta rap and haven’t had time to hit a comedy club lately. Comics will use the word.

      Jun 30, 2011 at 10:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • shelialander
      shelialander

      @christopher di spirito: What black people use the n word all the time? I am black and have a black family and friends and I never hear the n-word. Some gay people use derogatory terms to describe gay people. Does that mean that it’s ok if I use those words when referencing gay people?

      I’m so sick of hearing “black people call each other the n-word all the time”. Prove it. Stop saying it and prove it. I never hear the n-word and am tired of people – especially white people who are probably not around a lot of black people. Someone needs to offer proof that black people call each other the n-word every day. Perhaps gangsta rappers use it in songs and comedians use it in skits but show me some black people that call each other the n-word daily.

      BTW, stay on who’s topic? There is more than 1 voice in America.

      Jun 30, 2011 at 10:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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