Guy Benson is a 30-year-old Fox News contributor and political editor of the right-wing news site Townhall.com, and he’s just come out of his log cabin closet.
In a book he coauthored called End of Discussion: How the Left’s Outrage Industry Shuts Down Debate, Manipulates Voters, and Makes America Less Free (and Fun) [editor’s note: gag], Benson writes, “Guy Here. So, I’m gay.”
In an interview with Buzzfeed ahead of the book’s release, he said, “Gay rights is not something that dominates my attentions or my passions,” maintaining that his gayness is less of a cultural identifier as it is purely biological.
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And there’s certainly something to be said for that position. Nobody is one thing, least of all their sexuality. But that argument does start to weaken when, as a man who happens to be gay, Benson chooses to champion those who directly oppose a group that, like it or not, he counts himself a member of.
“That may seem incongruous, that may seem counterintuitive to a lot of people,” he said. “But the issues that I care about most undergird the reasons why I’m a conservative and have been forever and will be a conservative moving forward.”
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He insists that he’s so focused on the big picture, gay rights pale in comparison. He mentions Iran and Obamacare chief among his concerns, adding that calling gay conservatives “self-loathing” is, “extraordinarily closed-minded and betrays a lack of imagination, at the very least.”
“A free-thinking, free citizen of a free country is not obliged to be confined to a bedazzled ideological straitjacket because that’s how they ‘ought’ to think and ‘ought’ to vote and ‘ought’ to rank their priorities.”
Speaking to the fact that the majority of his party would like to see same-sex marriage outlawed, he said, “You need that base, you need your core voters to turn out to win elections,” adding that “the vast majority” of that base “are not bigots.”
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He calls the Republican gay issue an “obstacle,” but doesn’t seem to care one way or the other what the outcome of the Supreme Court case will be, though he maintains he’s “as fascinated as anyone to see how it plays out,” adding, “I don’t feel like I’m going to become particularly activist on any of this stuff.”
It would be one thing if the two major parties differed on specifics of gay rights, but the fact that Republicans have been running for decades on homophobia makes us inclined to sweep Benson and his anti-gay apologizing rhetoric out with the rest of the garbage.
Neil Phillips
Is he fired yet?
Paul Proulx
What’s that saying? “Working for the enemy”
Kenneth Gray Kloss
Loser
Jimmy Lee
Young and dumb… et al.
Marty Maguire
lol queerty headline of the year #slay
Captain Obvious
I really wish you basic bi bitches would stop trying to tell the rest of us what we are just like you want us to stop making assumptions about you.
Some of us ARE only into ONE thing. I’m not bi, not sorta bi, not remotely interested in women. You don’t get to tell me that my sexuality is fluid. Stop with that.
Lost interest in the rest of the article because of that stupid and downright hypocritical line.
If sexuality is fluid for you then that’s great, be fluid all over the place. Stop assuming it is the same for everyone else.
Never been with a woman, put myself through hell because I couldn’t be, and finally learned to accept myself. There’s nothing fluid about it FOR ME.
Victor Barry
Tell me this is an Onion story. It’s so inane.
Frank Smekar
Faux News Entertainment — keeping expectations low. Why did he bother?!
Christopher Arnot
He’s still lying to himself. Needs another coming out.
James Lanigan
You’re not one of us
Alan Arthur Anglin
Oh my someone on a news parody channel came out as gay hmm not even noteworthy
Jeffrey Thomas
We have had Log Cabin republicans selling out the gay community, hurting us all, for personal profit for years. This is just one more sociopath for their club willing to attack gay citizens for Fox to hide behind. This scum deserves no respect
Terrence Houlihan
FAUX NEWS!!!!!!!!!
Walter Samuel Williams
He should denounce Fox and apologize to the GLBT community for the treason and damage he has caused by his actions.
Dieter Michaels
He should date Aaron Schock, then the two of them can lead a blissful life… hating themselves and each other, while looking for shiny things.
Mark Villnave
WOW If he was on MSNBC or CNN he would be hero
Dan Rucks
Sears mannequin.
Bauhaus
Oh. Brother. You don’t HAPPEN to be gay, Benson, you ARE gay.
The thing is, gay rights are supposedly secondary to these folks… Until. Until they want to get married. Until they need health insurance. Until they want something for themselves. Then, gay rights and progress are front and center.
Does he think he could pen a book and come out as gay on Fox, if not for the very identity he’s trying so hard to eschew?
Wilson W Wong
Next
David LeMaire
Disgusting. Must suck to hate yourself.
Dale Landefeld
authentic…..give him a break…
Michael Haynes
Well that is not exactly true, he does inspire me, he inspires me to go back into my closet… He is young dumb and full of cum, opps can I say that on here?
UltimateSin
Collaborator.
Bill Scheetz
Bill Scheetz
Please go back in the closet. We don’t need your help nor want your representation.
nowliveit
Self-loathing plays out in all forms, doesn’t it?
He doesn’t care about his own rights. He may not become an activist. Although he’s fascinated with how SCOTUS decision will play out.
These are classic signs of someone who is afraid to fully embrace who he is.
Chris L. Reynolds
He’s swimming in a shark tank,and they’ll make him dinner,fool!
Matthew Chaney
So much for tolerance and acceptance! I, for one, accept him! I am a social liberal but a fiscal conservative, because I am sick of handouts being the only platform on the left! I want someone who understands the constitution!
Noel Hoklin
Gay Guy’s still holding out pretending sexuality doesn’t matter and his bigoted, hateful, bible beating, fellow republicans can rob him and all other LGBTQ people of their inalienable rights! What a pathetic POS!
Michael Lucewicz
I think it’s great that he has come out. He won’t last long there.. but it’s still great to have any representation on that network
Juan Torred
Nik Vettous
Sleeping with the enemy. The very white, stupid, fear-mongering, enemy.
tjr101
Aww he oh so concerned about Iran and Obamacare. And please pray tell what is the GOP’s solution to healthcare and the supposed nuclear threat of Iran? None. But if Obama proposes something, it must be opposed. He is republican because, well he wants acceptance from his family.
Giancarlo85
The GOP’s solution to healthcare is a disaster, and the GOP solution to Iran is boots on the ground. The last time the GOP had their solution in Iraq it worked wonderfully didn’t it? Mission accomplished right? LOL What a fucking disaster.
Every republican since Nixon has been a lying criminal whose administration ended up killing tens if not hundreds of thousands. Every republican carries on the Nixon and Dubya legacies.
This loser of a republican should just go back in the closet and never come out. This isn’t what I wanted to read. Just another stupid talking head who has no clue about the world around him.
Joe T
I’ll still never understand gay Republicans. Ever. Obviously they hate themselves.
calabrazy55
@Mark Villnave: I say good for him. All of us are different and have different needs and wants. I agree if it were cnn everyone would be hootin and hollering for him
Avery Alvarez
@Mark Villnave: No, he wouldn’t. What complete nonsense. It’s not the network he works for that most disagree with (Although Fox is an abomination unto news and journalism)
It’s his confused and bizarre ideology. He’s denouncing the gays who worked for the very rights he enjoys as a gay man today. He’s embracing a political party that he fought gay rights every step of the way, using every form of despicable propaganda and dehumanizing rhetoric.
Giancarlo85
@Mark Villnave: I don’t give two shits about any American news station. They are all right wing and corporation owned. He wouldn’t be anyones hero.
Fox News takes bullshit to a whole new level. Anybody who is informed and educated can see how much Fox News lies.
This conflicted gay man is a republican and he’s advocating policies that are only dangerous to gay people, but also to this entire country.
People like Benson push ideals that would slide this country into a massive depression and a perpetual war with other countries. People like Benson are fine with selling this country out to wall street and white collar criminals. People like Benson are fine pushing policies that erode the education and health care system even further.
I am sorry but everything about this man is dangerous. And not just to us.
Crane Stephen Landis
Is it bad of me to be upset I didn’t look that young at 30?
Arcamenel
@Captain Obvious: I’ve read the article twice now and don’t see anything that has anything to do with what your comment is about. Did you possibly skim it too fast? It states that “no one is one thing, least of all their sexuality”. I may be interpreting this wrong but that’s not talking about fluid sexuality but that all individuals are more than just their sexuality which is true.
Bob LaBlah
If I were an owner of a twink porn studio I would hop on this like a wolf on a lamb. I mean really, this guys young face, a hypocritical news station and ideology adds up to..drumroll…………cha-ching. I would cry all the way to my account at Paypal were I one of those studios.
I would have a Ralph Reed type as his mentor and a Rev Robertson/Jimmy Swaggart type as the ultra conservative maternal and paternal grandfather who bring in a Sarah Palin type to try turn him strait……….oh, if only I owned a studio.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: Almost 80% of your posts are about porn lol.
And you guys think he looks young at 30? Lol… Then I must look 20 lol.
Xzamilio
@Giancarlo85: I’m sorry, bud do you have any pictures? Because you talk way too much about your personal appearance to have that blank ass avatar next to your comments… and there is no malice intended towards you.
lauraspencer
I applaud Guy for coming out. It couldn’t have been easy seeing where he works.
It’s great that a guy his age at the early stage in his career is willing to come out. People like Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, Thomas Roberts, Sam Champion, Robin Roberts all worked for “liberal” news outlets and they all waited till way past 40 and in some cases 50.
Whether you like FOX News or not it is still impressive that Guy came out.
Jim Buccini
What a freaking sellout.
Luis H. Ramos
Hardly surprising. Probably another hyper-privileged gay boy who doesn’t see any reason to change anything, as he has it all, or so he thinks.
Saint Law
@lauraspencer: It really really isn’t. It’s just a way for him to separate himself from the legions of other Randbots: closeted and otherwise.
He’s a stupid whore who will shill for the very people who want to marginalise him. He says as much himself in terrible prose.
Dave Basora
I’ve been a lifelong gay liberal democrat. I’ve despised virtually everything the repubs stand for and yet I have to ask the question: many of us say we long for a time when coming out is a non event. We say we look forward for when nobody has to come out. Well, this guy isn’t making a big deal of it. Besides the fact he’s a repub, isn’t this a step in the right direction? Why are people pissed off, unless it’s because he’s a repub?
teddy55
@Mark Villnave: No he wouldn’t. Maybe in your alternate universe. A conservative republican who believes that there are justifications for discrimination against a whole group of people just because of who they are is not a hero regardless of which network he’s on. A little shallow on your part, but good try I guess.
teddy55
@Dale Landefeld: How is it “authentic” to come out of the closet to sell a book?
teddy55
@Matthew Chaney: No you’re basically a conservative who happens to be gay and wants society to accept you and not outlaw you. That does not make you a “social liberal”. No social liberal would ever use the term “handouts”. Unless they’re talking about corporate tax subsidies. Stop fooling yourself.
teddy55
@lauraspencer: Oh please, he’s just trying to sell a book. And if you think for a second he would have come out if all those “liberal” reporters and celebs hadn’t already don it you’re wrong.
Giancarlo85
@Xzamilio: Nope. My pictures are my own and I have no interested in sharing them.
@lauraspencer: Nope. Not impressive at all. And he should have just stayed in the closet.
Manny Apostol
Auntie Tom
zedus headus
Welcome is my message to Guy. Hate and vitriol for one with whom you might disagree? Gay people’s views are not monolithic. Diversity, tolerance and acceptance? Who is judging? Us? Honestly, with all the consonants after GLBTQ, how the heck can one not be accepting of our own diversity?
I started dating dudes in 1985, out and open. I embrace different points-of-view, and so should we all. I am, sadly, not shocked, but saddened by the feedback.
Bauhaus
@Bob LaBlah:
One more outburst like that and I’m gonna send Lawrence Welk to wash out your mouth!
Zenguy
He’s such a conflicted log cabin idiot.
zedus headus
@Jeffrey Thomas: You called someone you likely do not know scum? Is that not hateful, Jeffrey Fred Phelps Thomas?
zedus headus
@Zenguy: He is not an idiot. He has a different perspective. Please, everyone, do an extra ten minutes on the treadmill, cut out gluten, or take a yoga class. The meanness is unseemly.
Stefano Gant
What a spoiled brat.
Avery Alvarez
@zedus headus: Why do right wing people ALWAYS use logical fallacies? Nice appeal to hypocrisy – only as it’s been said, many times, many ways; we’re intolerant of his and his parties intolerance. The right wing has NEVER shown, “diversity, tolerance, and acceptance” towards the GBLT community, so why do you keep demanding it?
You follow through with a classic concern troll line – “I’m CONCERNED about all the hate and vitriol towards this person who has shown hate and vitriol.
Troll harder.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: Again, you are not paying attention. Nobody is hating on anyone, but Benson has views that are incredibly damaging to the gay community and to this entire country.
I just don’t get the logical fallacies right wingers employ either. You are a bad troll and not a convincing one. I think his views are repugnant and harmful to the whole country. Last I checked his stupid viewpoints were choices. My sexual orientation is not. So you made a stupid comparison.
Mitch Broderick
Lol. So he’s an advocate for individual rights over group rights. Sounds like a conservative who hasn’t realized he’s a libertarian just yet.
I don’t blame him. Liberals are collectivists with a morally bankrupt platform.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: Open your eyes, please. He is indeed an idiot for holding the views he has. They are damaging to this country and to himself. Why do you right wingers have such insecurity? If someone disagrees with your harmful viewpoints it doesn’t mean they are intolerant.
And if you are right wing, that is a misinformed choice. Sexual orientation is not a choice. Stop trying to compare stupid ignorant viewpoints with sexual orientation.
zedus headus
@Avery Alvarez: A left and a right helps maintain the balance. Gay men and women didn’t make progress using half of its body politic. We are doing it together- people from all walks of life, including out conservatives. I don’t mean to troll, but I am not going stand silent and let people bully someone. Gay people can be bullies, too, but you know that already. I am confident that you are smart.
TomOH
I doubt he’s in trouble of getting fired, he sounds more like a “token” gay guy for Fox, that they can use to pretend like they’re not really homophobic. Besides, some gay needs to fill Shepard Smith’s shoes sooner or later…
Steve Rosenberger
Go back in. You’re really not needed here.
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85<@zedus headus@Giancarlo85: Firstly, I am not a troll. I am not sowing discord, and I am staying on topic. This might be the second thread I have focused on in 10 years. I simply disagree with some of the views expressed, and, I am uncomfortable with tone of the conversation.
I call hypocrisy. Just because Guy Benson has a different perspective does not make him a collaborator, the enemy, or any of the other things he has been labeled.
He has an emotional and physical attraction to people of the same gender. That in no way requires that he must wear rainbow handcuffs.
Lloyd Shadley
Delusional.
Mack2015
wow – to all the people that post hateful messages on here — you are just as narrow-minded as the Republicans you purport to hate. This is America, we are supposed to embrace people with different points of view. I know so many Democrats who are evil douchebags, and I know some Republican who are truly lovely people who do a lot of charity work and help other people. Being a Democrat does not make you good, and being a Republican does not make you bad.
You all are just as bad as the far right Christians who think that by going to church, they are good. Being a Dem and waving a rainbow flag does not make you nice, enlightened, smart, or empathetic. For all of you who have posted on here, you are just self-righteous and judgmental.
darian
Do gay conservatives think that if this was posted on a conservative news site that the comments would be any different toward this young man or any of you who hold onto many of their outdated beliefs?
darian
@Mack2015: Ha lets not act as if he or that Republicans are free from the much deserved criticism. It’s gay Republicans like him who act as if being gay is no big deal then cry when they don’t get a seat at the table because of it. And what many of us are saying in some form or another is that we don’t agree with any of the half ass excuses that are given as to why they are conservative.
zedus headus
@Nik Vettous: Your enemy includes White people? Wow. Talk about hate speech. Your revolt was too small, Vettius.
Pablito Belanger
He should move to CBS since he’s Cute But Stupid…
VampDC
So mean to say he inspires nobody. I think it’s so important to show not all gay people have to have the same political views.
zedus headus
@darian: Progress was made because we brought different types of people to the table- including conservatives. To think otherwise is delusional; radicals may get us to the table, but they don’t choose the menu.
Dresses, t-shirts, and ties- we all acted up in our different ways just so people like Guy Benson could make their own choices regardless of orientation. I, for one, have been waiting for the time when being gay is null. We should not ridicule each other because of different political viewpoints. To do so is uncivil.
Cagnazzo82
Did he read Fox New’s objective statement in order to come up with such an absurd title for a book? Does he realize he works for a station’s who’s only raison-d’etre is manipulating gullible voters?
Or is he simply playing with the irony for giggles (and a couple bucks from his ever-gullible audience).
Xzamilio
@zedus headus: Okay, but what is this out conservative doing? It seems like he doesn’t want to concern himself with the anti-LGBT rhetoric of his ideologues and while that is his prerogative, it is indicative of someone who knows how his party rolls and doesn’t want to ruffle feathers. He’s cowardly, plain and simple… his “concerns” are with buzzwords that the Republicans/GOP/Tea Party constantly throw around and don’t mean a damn thing, because when pressed to deliver any alternative to Obamacare, they have none; they just want to gut it. Benghazi? Buzzword. Fast and Furious? Buzzwords. Religious Liberty under attack? Buzzwords. Guy Benson is one of those people who will probably sit back and do nothing to further the cause of Republicans being more willing to pass LGBT rights legislature, but will have no problem letting others fight this battle for him and then going off and reaping the benefits of it.
@Mack2015: Oh, shut that dumb shit up. When we actively campaign and lobby to remove rights from Christians, then come talk to me about being just as bad as them. Diverse opinions are one thing, and having to embrace them are another. I don’t have to embrace jack squat, so spare me the red herrings and the lame attempts at trying to turn the tables, because it’s pathetically transparent.
Kevin Steele
Wow! Some of you are really accepting of other people’s differences and individuality (sarcastic laugh)
Avery Alvarez
@zedus headus: “I don’t mean to troll, but I am not going stand silent and let people bully someone. ”
Who has bullied him? Just as he’s expressing his different point of view, people on here are expressing theirs. Your statement is actually very hyperbolic, but considering your arguments so far, that comes as no surprise.
“Gay people can be bullies, too, but you know that already”
There’s no need to be passive aggressive. We’ve already got Benson for that…
Avery Alvarez
@Mack2015: Why the false equivalence?
And that is EXACTLY what it is. Why do right wing people ALWAYS try this non-arguement?
Gay people have been fighting for equal rights and inclusion.
The religious right has argued to legally make GLBT people their punching bag and exclusion.
Nobody here is making a judgment call about Republicans and Democrats based on their labels. People are judging them based on their ACTIONS. Democrats have done some crumby things, but when it comes to an all out attack on their GLBT community, no one can compare to the GOP.
Avery Alvarez
@zedus headus: “He has an emotional and physical attraction to people of the same gender. That in no way requires that he must wear rainbow handcuffs.”
No one so far has suggested except you. You injected “rainboow handcuffs” into the conversation.
“We should not ridicule each other because of different political viewpoints. To do so is uncivil.”
Why don’t you tell that to Benson? After all, his book is called, ” End of Discussion: How the Left’s Outrage Industry Shuts Down Debate, Manipulates Voters, and Makes America Less Free (and Fun)”
Or did you miss that, as you’ve been trying to cast false hypocrisy on anyone who challenges Benson on his politics.
Michael Albert
There is so much he can do. Instead he gets brainwashed to follow the leader. Just your typical Hitler Youth. What a waste.
enlightenone
@Matthew Chaney: “…I want someone who understands the constitution!”
He’s your president nitwit!
enlightenone
@lauraspencer: “… it is still impressive that Guy came out.”
Nothing “impressive” about a jackass hiding in or out of a foxhole!
tricky ricky
typical right wing nut job. claims the left shuts down debate when the right allows no debate since they can’t ever be wrong because conservatism can’t ever be wrong, even though it has never, ever, been right about anything. he’s a waste of water unfit for the belly of a worm and intellectually dishonest.
tricky ricky
@Mack2015: you are so full of sh*t I can smell you all the way over here. you must be the little c*cksuckers publicist.
tricky ricky
@Avery Alvarez: @Mack2015: your sentence structure is atrocious.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: You don’t get it. His views are dangerous and he is part of a political party that works against us. He is collaborating with the enemy. There is no other way to put it. Gay conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites and sell outs.
You are just another nut job who doesn’t quite grasp reality. Opinions are opinions. Sexual orientation isn’t an opinion. I have a right to challenge his misinformed political viewpoints.
@Mack2015: Here we go again… Another one who is trying to claim we are the hateful ones for trying to challenge misinformed opinions. The right wing trolls on here really do like to shut down any challenge of their views. And no, disagreeing with opinions doesn’t mean we are intolerant.
One chooses to be a Republican! One does not choose to be gay. A person who chooses to be Republican is hurting this entire country.
And Republicans do not help other party. They are trying to sell this country out to corporations.
tricky ricky
@Mitch Broderick: oh boy. the insipid banal parroting of a right wing talking point which is as false as it has always been.
tricky ricky
@Avery Alvarez: I don’t know how you got included in the reply which was meant for the other guy. nothing wrong with your sentence structure.
Giancarlo85
@tricky ricky: Exactly! Conservatives don’t Ike engaging in debate because they feel discriminated against if someone challenges their views. They practically know they are wrong about everything.
They feel as if their views are protected from criticism. Not how freedom of speech works. And these same conservatives insult people for being liberal all the fucking time. You know who the real hypocrites are.
Giancarlo85
@Mitch Broderick: What are individual rights? You are the one advocating a system devoid of any real social interaction. You are the one that is morally bankrupt. Libertarians are nothing but a bunch of charlatans who push views that are incredibly dangerous. And I still don’t get what they mean when they say they are for individual rights. Last I checked you live in a country, and you are not ruling. Human beings are social creatures… Hence why libertarianism is in contradiction with human nature.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: And by not ruling, I mean ruling yourself and making your own laws, bridges, highways… You live in a republic. Libertarians are a bunch of selfish idiots who don’t give a shit about anyone else.
Giancarlo85
@Matthew Chaney: And what handouts are you talking about? You so called fiscal conservatives give massive multi billion dollar handouts to corporations and defense contractors. Are you talking about food stamps? Many working families rely on food stamps… And its benefits outweigh the costs. Every dollar spent on social welfare program generates two dollars.
And the constitution? Did you even read the damn thing?
Rick Gillum
Who do you think has been blowing all those homophobes at fox?
jorgecruz
Send him to Kenya to cover a story on the churches views on homosexuality or have him attend a tea party meeting in Arizona but do it undercover. Then he will find out how relevant the fact that he is gay is to these bigots and homophobes. If he makes it out alive.
jason smeds
Let’s at least give this guy some credit for not hiding it. Just because he works for Fox, it doesn’t mean we should tear him down.
Sweetie Pie
He’s cute…if he loses his jibs i’ll hire him
BJ McFrisky
You guys love those who support your politics, but hate a fellow gay man if he does not. More proof that ideology trumps identity in the LGBT-OMG-WTF-LOL community. Bra-freaking-vo. Guess who this guy now feels is his true family—-the gays trashing him on this site, or his co-workers at FNC who shrug and say, “No big deal, Guy”? Your actions are so very progressive (if by “progressive” you mean one step forward and ten steps back).
@jason smeds: Your sentiment is true, but the reality is that gay men hate non-liberal gay men more than heteros hate non-heteros, regardless of politics. I’ve seen this countless times, and the above comments just cement that perception.
Giancarlo85
@BJ McFrisky: Here we go again. This has nothing to do with hating him because he’s gay. This has everything to do with his misinformed viewpoints that are dangerous to this entire country. And your denigrating people in the community is well known. You are one vicious hypocrite.
We are “trashing” him because his viewpoints are arbitrary, dangerous and contradictory. His viewpoints are harmful to this entire country. Learn how to read please… maybe for once. “Non-liberal gay men” are nothing more than a bunch of self haters.
Giancarlo85
“More proof that ideology trumps identity in the LGBT-OMG-WTF-LOL community. ”
If identity was so important, there would be no such thing as gay conservatives. Sorry.
Chicago
Do you all hate him because he’s republican or because you don’t understand why how you can be a gay republican? If it’s the former, I get it. I don’t agree with republicans either. But if it’s the latter, that is just partisan bs. Each party has taken a stand on number of issues, and being part of that party does not mean you have to agree with each and every one of them. When we are possibly days away from winning one of the last major issues for the gay community, isn’t it ok to prioritize some larger world issues in our political identity?
Giancarlo85
Why is it gay conservatives often say “my beliefs in fiscal conservatism blah blah blah… are more important than my sexual orientaiton”… sounds like ideology is trumping identity there. Hypocrisy!
Giancarlo85
@Chicago: BOTH. I don’t get how anyone who makes less than eight figures and isn’t deeply involved in wall street could be a republican.
Republicans are such patriots:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/29/predatory-lending-military_n_7171748.html
Tell me, what is good about the republican party? The entire platform is total bullshit.
I stand on a variety of issues. I am not a single issue voter. I also know that that marriage isn’t “one of the last major issues”. We have many other problems, including with employment and legal protection from discrimination.
I also care about jobs, the environment and maintaining a peaceful approach to international relations. This is why I despise the republican party so much. They want to destroy everything.
Chicago
@Giancarlo85: Because on a regular basis I see how the government controls my money but I rarely, if ever, see them controling my sexual identity.
Chicago
@Giancarlo85: I can’t tell you what is good about the republican party. I don’t agree with them either. But as a someone who is “not a single issue voter”, can’t you see how he is not (necessarily) a self hating hypocrite? That maybe he believes strongly in a lot of ways but disagrees with his party in one way?
Giancarlo85
@Chicago: He is most definitely a self hating hypocrite. And this has to do with his views damaging this country. So he hates himself and he hates this country. I don’t see how anyone could be a member of the republican party.
@Chicago: Oh what do we have here? Another libertarian? I suppose you think freeways and infrastructure is free. “How government controls your money” lol… why don’t you control your own money a bit better? Libertarians are all the same bullshit artists.
Cam
@BJ McFrisky: said…. “You guys love those who support your politics, but hate a fellow gay man if he does not. More proof that ideology trumps identity in the LGBT-OMG-WTF-LOL community. Bra-freaking-vo.”
______________________________
Hey, anybody notice that BJ once again tries to hide what right wingers want to do to gays by using the vague word of “Politics”?
So he paints the GOP as the victims because gays don’t agree with their “Politics”. It is SO interesting that BJ always seems to leave out that their “Politics” all revolve around making gay relationships illegal, making adoption of children by gays, illegal, keeping it legal to fire people for being gay, and legalizing discrimination against gays.
BJ, if their “Politics” are so noble, why is it you never detail them out?
As for the correspondent who just came out, he is being a “Good Gay” to conservatives. FAR more concerned that bigots still get to discriminate against him, than he is about being discriminated against. How exciting. Maybe they will let him come through the servants entrance at their next GOP meeting.
Oh wait, that’s right, even Log Cabin isn’t allowed at those meetings…oh well.
1EqualityUSA
Faux News likely informed him that he will be coming out this year, to look more gay friendly for 2015 through 2016 propaganda fest.
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: Calling people names with whom one disagrees is often indicative of a weak argument. I may disagree with Benson’s points-of-view, but I also disagree with the shrillness of much of what I have read here. Ideas will succeed, or fail. based on their own merits. We needn’t attack the person. It is a simple proposition.
Daniel Salmeron
I give him props for admitting who he is. I don’t agree with his stance. I respect his right to have that stance
zedus headus
@Avery Alvarez: No, I didn’t miss the title of his book. From what I have read here, I think his premise might be correct on some level. The mob here are trying to shout down those with whom they disagree. Ironic.
1EqualityUSA
Of what fiscal conservatism are they speaking? Every time a Republican is in charge of the hen house, the Country is harmed by deregulation. Their policies benefit the wealthy, the extremely wealthy. The Union busting is just the tip of the iceberg. Most are harmed by Republican policies. John Boehner was defending gerrymandering the other day. The Republican party has creepy people in it. They are so dark, divisive, and controlling. It is easier to control people who are financially hurting, yet, they keep propagandizing their fiscal reputation as being good for the Nation. They are using church leaders to stir up one last vestige of hate-dollars and political capital, before pointing to some other victim du jour. Make political hay when the sun is shining, rending the Nation in two, four, thousands of pieces. What matters is power. The conservative Supreme Court tried to help the Republicans as best they could. Now the question is, will it come to fruition? Will the gerrymandering, cheating, tampering with votes, hate mongering, fear-injected verbiage, splitting communities, Citizens United (infusing the will of the wealthy few into politics,) Fox News propagandizing all result in a Republican 2016? One may even imagine them so desperate for power that they would resort to extreme measures. It feels dark to me. Even the Christians, making news, feel dark to me. What uproarious laughter Satan must be having, watching many of God’s children being used by politics and reduced to war words and judgements of their brothers and sisters. Who are you to censor another’s household servant? My mother is convinced that twelve men, in a smoky room, run the world.
BJ McFrisky
@zedus headus: Not ironic at all. The reactions here are par for the course. Gays have been brainwashed into thinking anyone who isn’t a far-left Democrat is the enemy — even other gays, proving again that ideology trumps identity. ISIS gays are far more welcome on Castro Street than are conservative gays.
BJ McFrisky
Benson’s Twitter response to this article is priceless.
#NoH8etc.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: No it’s not. It’s recognizing the reality of how weak conservatives are. Their viewpoints are dangerous to the stability of this country and are threatening this institutions. He is working against us, so he needs to be criticized.
@BJ McFrisky: Democrats are center of right. You are too brainwashed to know otherwise. I am not even a democrat. I think both political parties are on the political right. I’m a real left wing. And no, my identity is more important than my ideology… that’s exactly why I can’t be right wing. You are acting more like ISIS.
Giancarlo85
@BJ McFrisky: Conservative gays are a contradiction and a disaster. They support an ideology over their own identity, hence why you’re being a hypocrite.
Cam
@zedus headus: said… “The mob here are trying to shout down those with whom they disagree. Ironic.”
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NOTE TO ALL THE TROLLS……..The Bullshit whining of “Oh the IRONY of gays not being tolerant of differing “Opinions” does not work. The Mormons tried the same crap back during the Prop 8 fight, they would say “How dare you not tolerate our bigotry?! You want Mormons to tolerate your existence, but YOU won’t tolerate us hating you and our bigotry.”
It didn’t work then, it wont work now. What IS ironic, is that one of the main points on the article was to NOT let right wingers and bigots use that argument, and here you are laying it right out. IRONIC….
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: Nobody is shutting down anyone. You keep lying. Conservatives are not immune from criticism. Their beliefs are really weak because the moment anyone criticizes them, their argument falls apart.
Chicago
@Giancarlo85: I still think your problem is with republicans (and libertarians for that matter) not that he is a gay republican. Sorry if some of us understand that a person’s views on sex orientation equality have nothing to do with their views on foreign or economic policy.
Giancarlo85
@Chicago: Nope. My problem is with both factors. I don’t know how a gay republican or gay libertarian can even exist. Both philosophies are anti-gay.
“Sorry if some of us understand that a person’s views on sex orientation equality have nothing to do with their views on foreign or economic policy.”
My sexual orientation doesn’t have to do with my views on foreign or economic policy, but as a thinking person I am a leftist. People who refuse to think (like yourself) are right wing economically.
And what the fuck is right wing foreign policy? Bombing another country into submission?
Chicago
@Giancarlo85: While this is getting off topic, I’ll try to explain to you how a gay libertarian can exist (I can’t speak for republicans). The libertarian philosophy really says that I have no idea what is best for you so I will let you live your life however you want until your actions infringe on my rights. So, as a gay libertarian, I don’t care that one person’s church says same sex marriage is an abomination. That’s their right. I care that the government doesn’t (widely) recognize the legal contract of marriage for same sex couples. Do what you want as long as you’re not hurting anyone.
From my perspective, people who think “the other guy” is “brainwashed”, “stupid”, or “refuse to think” are the problem. While I think a lot of people pull their opinions out of thin air, many people make their decisions based on their own experiences that differ from mine. While I disagree, I think it’s arrogant to write off their opinions as not thought out. Because guess what – they are saying the same thing about you.
Daggerman
…for starters he looks quite naughty and needs striping naked and being flung over my knees and spanked hard until he ejaculates! Thank-you.
Terry McCarthy
Wait a minute…..so he’s 30 years old, gay, a republican, and works as a political contributor for Fox News ….strike three … You’ll be a Virgin forever
Cam
@Chicago: said….
“Sorry if some of us understand that a person’s views on sex orientation equality have nothing to do with their views on foreign or economic policy.”
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Except for the fact that you cannot lay out just which of your views is important enough to support people whose main goal is to take away civil rights from LGBT’s legalize bigotry, legalize firing then for no reason but who they are, even outlaw contracts between them as was tried in 2 states.
Basically what you are saying is that Black people would have NO reason to call out a black person voting for a member of the KKK for Congress because he or she likes the KKK members viewpoint on trade relations.
The fact that you folks have to keep being vague about “Politics” or “Positions” shows that you have no excuse. You are either right wing trolls coming in here, or you are self hating gays desperate for the acceptance from people who hate you. Either way, don’t shove your baggage at us, and blame us for your feelings of inadequacy, your political party did that to you all by itself.
Tim Galatas
Pander to the conservatives queen! When they turn.on you, along with the community that you have betrayed, don’t bitch or think we will accept you. Burned those bridges!
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: I sure hope you are cute and quiet in RL because, digitally, your insults are demeaning to both of us and prove nothing intellectually. Your words are hateful and dangerous which is exactly how Guy Benson has been described here. I am neither a nut, or a liar, though periodically my behavior can be hypocritical since I am a normal human being.
Guy Benson might be wrong, but he is not the devil, his writings will not shake the foundations of the Republic and he is not the enemy. Allow people to define themselves how they choose.
BTW, have you read his book? I bet not.
Richard Vincent Farias
I think we can all agree that nobody should have sex with Guy Benson ever again.
AJ Sarabia
Who is he?
Jeffrey Robinson
Shameful.
Maude
I know a lesbian women who says she will vote for Hillary because she believes Hillary is a closeted lesbian.
As a left leaning Independent, I am troubled by her remark, and wonder, how many gay guys would vote on that single issue…Gay or Straight?
Sad to say, I think far too many of us think not with our brains, but with our penis.
Certainly, I would never vote for anyone who would deprive me of my right to love whomever I choose, and that would be the issue….Not whether or not the candidate is gay.
And Giancarlo85, If another country swears to destroy my country, You’re damn right I’d bomb them….and not just into submission, I’d bomb them into complete and utter devastation.
Giancarlo85
@Chicago: A gay libertarian is a contradiction. Libertarianism is not pro-gay as some would like to believe. It is an anti-gay and anti-humanity myth. The libertarian philosophy is a bunch of self righteous crap. Libertarianism is something pulled out of thin air. Perhaps you should use your mind and think a little more. Libertarianism helps no one and leaves people to starve and die out in the streets without proper health care.
I am wholly opposed to such a fa*s*c*ist myth in sheeps clothing.
@zedus headus: Your problem is you refuse to think and you aren’t looking at the facts. MY words are NOT hateful or dangerous. They are factual and accurate. His ideology is dangerous to this entire country. People like him cannot be compromised with.
He might be wrong? No I am sorry, he is wrong just as you are.
His book is garbage.
Tillman Lambert
He’ll come around. Karma will see to it!
Giancarlo85
@Maude: Wrong maude. You are not a “left leaning independent”. I’ve seen what you post in the past and you are right wing. You are ridiculous.
What country swears to destroy this country? Iraq? Iraq never did that. This country killed tens of thousands and created tremendous blowback. Republicans created terrorists with their reckless actions.
You certainly don’t think with your brain that’s for sure.
zedus headus
@Cam: I never said I agreed with Guy Benson, or his politics. I am saying that he has every right to be wrong. Benson also has every right to express his opinions without being burned at the proverbial stake. Disagreeing with you doesn’t make me a troll, it just means I tire of meanness regardless of origin.
Giancarlo85
@Chicago: Libertarianism is selfish bullshit too. Wake up man, you live in a country… not in a mountain shack cut off from the rest of everybody.
Johnny Mulkerrin
shoot in foot
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: Nobody is silencing him. Learn the difference. He will be criticized. You just don’t know how to read.
BJ McFrisky
Guy Benson should be applauded for coming out, not harangued for having differing points of views. He’s done nothing to harm us. Those who think otherwise are sycophants of shallow mind.
@Chicago: Whoa there, pardner, you’re assuming that the majority of commenters in this neighborhood are possessed of some form of common sense, which they clearly are not. Trying to point that out to them is like trying to nail Jello to the wall. They’re liberal first and foremost, even going so far as to defend militant Islam and its systematic murdering of gays.
Harry R. Courtright
Wait til he finds Mr Right who wants to get married!!!
Chicago
@Cam: It’s difficult for me to bring up the republican positions because I am not republican and do not agree with the vast majority of their platform. I do not believe their “main goal” is to take away civil rights.
And that KKK example is an extreme that does not accurately describe what I’m saying. Who would you vote for – a democratic candidate that you agreed with on every point except they wanted to leave same sex marriage to the states? Or a republican candidate you disagreed with but had a gay brother and advocated for sam sex marriage?
Giancarlo85
@BJ McFrisky: He is doing plenty to harm us by openly supporting a political viewpoint that is trying to harm us.
You have no common sense just like the rest of the hit and run libertarian trolls on here. And for one, brainless one… I am not a “democrat” or a “liberal”. I am a green. Learn the difference. And who is defending militant Islam? I’m certainly not. But you republican idiots want to bomb more countries and create more militants against the US.
Giancarlo85
@Chicago: Their main goal is to hurt the American people by destroying health care, destroying jobs by supporting outsourcing, hurting minorities (including LGBT people), and selling this country out to corporations. Are you really this blind?
Mike Benevenstanciano
He just wants to keep his job
Chicago
@Giancarlo85: This is why I hate partisan politics. You’re so wrapped up in your own opinions that you can’t see that others are aiming for the same thing but by a different method. If someone wants to solve a problem in a way you don’t understand, they must be evil or stupid right?
Giancarlo85
@Chicago: What political party am I subscribing to?
I am a green. There is no “aiming for the same thing”. Libertarianism runs contradictory to everything I believe in. There are no different methods. You don’t solve problems with a broken political philosophy. You only create problems.
Cam
@Chicago: said…”And that KKK example is an extreme that does not accurately describe what I’m saying. Who would you vote for – a democratic candidate that you agreed with on every point except they wanted to leave same sex marriage to the states? Or a republican candidate you disagreed with but had a gay brother and advocated for sam sex marriage?”
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But your comment right there exposes you. “Leave Same Sex Marriage to the States”, that is the same “Soft Language” that right wingers use rather than saying “Allow states to force bigotry on it’s citizens.” Interracial Marriage was not “Left to the States” by the Surpreme Court, but I’m sure many bigots wish it was.
Your example is also off and is not what we were discussing. I pointed out accurately that you were saying that gay rights should not be what votes are based on, that there is economic and foreign policy. I asked you a simple question, which economic and foreign policy issues were important enough to make you support people who wanted to attack LGBT’s legalize firing them, legalize bigotry etc…
You couldn’t answer that and tried to change the topic. Nice try.
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: I can read and also disagree without being insulting. It is called civil discourse- something sorely lacking in this particular arena. It seems that you might inhabit a very angry, small world. Peace and good luck.
Cam
@BJ McFrisky: said…
“Guy Benson should be applauded for coming out, not harangued for having differing points of views. He’s done nothing to harm us. Those who think otherwise are sycophants of shallow mind.”
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And once again BJ tries to hide the issue by using the coded language of “Have differing points of view”.
But BJ again fails to point out that the differing points of view include supporting legalized bigotry against gays.
Why don’t you point that out BJ? Oh wait, that’s right, it would completely point out the absurdity of your arguments continually trying to paint right wingers, or the GOP platforms as the victims.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: You are being ridiculous. Those who are right wing live in a small minded world. I live looking at the bigger picture. You libertarians and right wingers are destroying this world and its environment with your pro-corporation insanity. I want to make this world a better place to live in.
Chicago
@Cam: Calm down cam. You didn’t answer my question either.
Yes, obviously, “leave it to the states” is soft language. But it is not outright hate. And I would hope you wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bathwater – ie vote for a republican candidate just because you only agreed with him on the issue of same sex marriage (unless that is the issue that is most important to you).
Even though I explained I’m not republican, I’ll try to answer your question from my libertarian standpoint. If there were a candidate that believed we should interven in Iran and go to war to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons but believed in marriage equality, to me that would not justify me giving them their vote. I would much rather vote for a non-interventionist candidate that “left it to the states” as I believe that invading Iran would be detrimental to this country and that winning the fight for marriage equality is a matter of (short) time.
Giancarlo85
@Chicago: Your libertarian philosophy would be catastrophic to the economy. Period. This is why I must oppose you at every step.
Chicago
@Giancarlo85: You are subscribing to the idea that you think you and your party are the only ones trying to make the world better. And maybe your ways would ultimately result in the best outcome. I’m not convinced. That doesn’t mean I’m stupid or trying to destroy America. I see that as the same extremist thinking that Christians use against us. Republicans use against democrats. etc.
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: Perhaps you should think globally but act a little more locally. Being polite to your neighbor would be a good start. Lead by example for a change. Benson doesn’t seem to be the hater.
Rusty Falls
Let’s see if he does conversion therapy once they fire his ass.
Cam
@Chicago:
See, that is what I was asking for, a breakdown in your reasoning. Whether or not I agree with you, knowing the way your mind arrived at that makes for a reasonable back and forth.
Too often on here we have people like “BJ” who will come in, try to make some little jab, paint bigots as victims, and then call bigotry a “Difference of opinion”.
That is why I was harping on you to answer the question. And frankly you proposed an interesting dilemma. Let’s put it in a slightly different context and I think it is still difficult.
Would a woman vote for a candidate who wanted to send us to war with Iran, bankrupt the country because we are still paying for Troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, AND are a trillion in the hole for a Fighter Jet that so far hasn’t worked, and Iran is a huge country so at least another Trillion if we go to war there…
Or vote for a candidate that didn’t want to go there but wanted to pass a law that said women could not own property.
Verlaine
Blacks can’t play classical music.
Indians can’t drink alcohol.
Women can’t be carpenters.
Mexicans can’t speak Italian.
Gays can’t be conservative.
How narrow-minded are you?
Benson is damn cute and intelligent. Wish I was 30 years younger.
David Jarrett
He is really attractive.
Chicago
@Cam: Your example makes sense to me (and I’m assuming mine does to you equally). I guess it boils down to a matter of degree. Maybe it’s because I live in an progressive and accepting urban environment, but I do not really see active institutional discrimination. As of right now, I do not see our struggle as the same level of difficulty or terribleness as women not owning property, or blacks not being allowed jobs. And maybe that’s where Guy is coming from too.
northwest
More disgusting, self-loathing trash from the right. Benson is a worthless loser troll. Shame on him for supporting the vile, bigoted GOP.
Spike
Self hating gay. republican party is full of them. NO news here.
Cam
@Chicago: said…”As of right now, I do not see our struggle as the same level of difficulty or terribleness as women not owning property, or blacks not being allowed jobs. And maybe that’s where Guy is coming from too.”
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The thing is, in multiple states it is completely legal to fire somebody if you find out they are gay. And if they implement the laws this guy is advocating, allowing bigotry if religion is a defense, suddenly, not only can gays be fired bor being gay, but they could be prevented from even buying groceries, gas, and other staples because “religious” people would be allowed to refuse to serve them.
CJ Santiago
Nothing wrong with that. I’m a gay man too, and I believe there are more important issues in the world today than gay rights…
Chicago
@Cam: I agree however, I doubt that this guy is advocating them per se – only that some (maybe most) members of his party are. I can see why others would deem hypocritical. I personally don’t.
drumstick
@Mitch Broderick: Oh, I get it, “I got mine f*ck the rest of you.” Nice “morality”.
drumstick
@Mitch Broderick: Oh, I get it, “I got mine, f*ck the rest of you.” Nice “morality”.@Mitch Broderick:
SammySeattle
Guy, they’re just not that into you. Get out of the bad relationship while you can.
drumstick
Wait until this little boi can’t get the wedding cake he wants. The fur will start to fly!
Cam
@Chicago: said… ” I agree however, I doubt that this guy is advocating them per se – only that some (maybe most) members of his party are. I can see why others would deem hypocritical. I personally don’t.”
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The problem is, in the actual interview, not only is he advocating that public businesses be allowed to have “Carve Outs” that allow them to discriminate against gays, but he also alludes to the gay community as “Vengeful”, …….
“””I don’t think that coming to a point of social harmony and then pushing further in this almost vengeful, ‘Let’s get ‘em,’ hounding people out of jobs … [I]t’s not productive, it’s not good for the country,” he said.”””
So in his words, we were at a place of social harmony, but the gay community not wanting to tolerate bigotry, and not patronize bigoted businesses is vengeful.
DonovanS28
I just don’t get it? They want to restrict you and its not like only half the republicans want to stop gay marriage the majority wants to ban it. I mean theres no logical or economical reasons behind it, just pure bigotry. So how does he even sit in a room ad talk to other republicans?
Chicago
@Cam:
“broad carve-outs for religious organizations, in particular, and narrow carve-outs for closely held businesses that serve the wedding industry”
I mostly agree with broad carve-outs for religious organizations. I don’t think the governement will ever force a Christian/Muslim/Jewish place of worship to perform a same sex wedding ceremony if that is not part of their doctorine.
The narrow carve outs to me sounds like an understanding that it is a grey area – of which I don’t necessarily agree. Providing a cake for a gay wedding doesn’t seem like a big deal, but when we get to the point of forcing a catering company with the threat of law to attend a gay wedding reception…I wonder if we should just take our business elsewhere.
As far as the community being “Vengeful” I’m assuming he was referring to the death threats to those bigots with the pizza place. Bad yelp reviews and boycotts are one thing. Death threats are another.
Cam
@Chicago:
But see that is the problem, you have to continually “Assume” he didn’t mean something or he meant something. The way it read, he was, in my opinion, saying that the backlash against businesses that wanted to practice bigotry was vengeful, he specifically mentioned losing jobs, not death threats.
As for the broad carve outs for religion, that was always a B.S. scare tactic, there doesn’t need to be a carve out because no religion would ever be forced to perform a wedding that they didn’t want to. It is no different than if a Jewish Couple went to a Catholic Church and said that the Church had to marry them. It can’t happen, but pretending it could, by creating these false carve outs, plays into the hands of bigots who are lying claiming it can happen.
If you treat the populace like they are stupid, all you do is give ammunition to the ones who are. (See there folks, they wouldn’t specifically SAY that in the law unless it COULD happen!)
Alexander R. Rodriguez
Guy Benson cares about whether Iran incinerates Israel w a nuke, whether Christians are wiped out by ISIS, whether illegal immigrants ruin the country, whether Obamacare will squeeze the middle class, whether the IRS can keep bullying us etc……but please keep up w your tranny bathroom crusade
antgly
“Gay rights is not something that dominates my attentions or my passions,”
Uh. Yes it is. You just said it on live TV.
AtticusBennett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrv31BCGeqY
Duncan Wong
Lord Yoda say “Self hate is strong in you I see”
Gerald Myers
Cam
@Alexander R. Rodriguez:
We get it, you are self hating, you don’t need to make it so glaringly obvious.
darian
@zedus headus: Progress can be made by people with different beliefs the problem here is that many gay Republicans don’t give a shit about gay rights or the progress that it’s makes…. That is until they want to be gay.
It’s so funny to me how post like these bring out gay Republicans in droves I mean wow even@BJ McFrisky: Is in disgustingly rare fucking form yet any post showing Republican bigotry and you guys are deathly silent. I suggest you stop bitching about how we don’t love you and start bitching at your fellow Republicans for making you look like fools.
Giancarlo85
@Chicago: What party? I don’t belong to any political party. Don’t confuse a green with the green party. And my logic about Republicans trying to hurt this country is based on substantial fact and not just conjecture. They are trying to pass laws and press deregulation which would sell this country out to wall street. Libertarians are very guilty of this behavior too.
I don’t care what you are convinced by. I am a global thinker. I think about those all over the world. Environmental pollution and corporate corruption will bring a downfall to this entire planet. Libertarianism has no solution and no ideas asides from voluntary compliance with regulation. That will never work. Businesses need to be forced into compliance… Or more chemical spills like what happen in West Virginia will be of result
a href=”#comment-908629″>zedus headus: Benson is a hater of the planet and the environment. He hates clean air and a green environment. This is fact.
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: Oh look it is the little liar again. Republicans created ISIL with bad policies which created blowback. Obamacare works pretty well. And the rest of what you posted is nonsense. Just immigrant bashing. Your last name though is interesting. Why bash on your own people?
darian
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: Yep you stick to your Republican made problems dick Chaney while the rest of the world keeps laughing at you
zedus headus
@darian: Untrue. Many discussions occur behind the scenes. I applaud this gentleman’s willingness to be himself, use his real name, write a book and be a lightning rod. This is progress.
As for the Greens- are they not the party that tipped Florida into the Republican column for George W. Bush? Congratulations. Your purity, rather than your pragmatism, might be responsible for the thousands of deaths around the world. Mr. Benson’s views are clear. I hope Benson comprehends the ramifications of his actions. Do you, @Giancarlo85?
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: Note to self- the movement only needed radicals to make others seem reasonable. You sound like the many humanists that I have met who only like some humans- the ones like them.
You may be right, you may be wrong, or, might even be somewhere in between. I dono. I just game and work, but I am so weary of our community cannibalizing those who have the courage to be out. Do you not think that Benson is not receiving enough hate?
tllthn89
He’s cute. Good luck to him. Who cares his political leanings. To thine own self be true 🙂
darian
@zedus headus: Let say I buy that behind the scenes notion for half a second. How has doing things behind the scenes working out? It seems every Republican on the ticket opposes same sex marriage. Not one of them spoke out against Indiana’s freedom to hate bill. Hell even the log cabin Republicans didn’t day a damn thing. If anything you are arguing they should be commended for being cowards.
Jack Anthony Owen
Never Heard of him who cares
Kieran
Of all people, gays should be supportive of diversity and having the balls to go against convention. Being gay doesn’t mean you have to think in a certain way or march to a certain political drumbeat. Being gay means you are free to be and think however the f*ck you want to be and not giving a sh*t whether anybody else likes it or not.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: Absolutely. I like some humans who care about the world and the environment they live in. I do NOT like polluters like “Freedom Industries” which was involved in a chemical spill that poisoned the waters of hundreds of thousands. That major spill was scantly covered in the corporate owned news which merely left it as a headline. There were major oil spills in both Dakotas which were just news tid bits and were mostly covered up.
It isn’t even about Benson being gay at this point. It is about him being a hypocrite and a phony.
@Kieran: Um as a human being I am supportive of those who love the world they live in and not just view it as a place to make dollars and pollute. Benson is supporting a political philosophy that would destroy everyones future, hence why he should get all the criticism he deserves.
Lets review… what has the republican party done in the 21st century so far?
The 20th century was marked by numerous republican disasters. Did the republican party turn the page? LOL. Nope. They repeated all their prior disasters. Nixon and Reagan were marked by repeated failures both domestically and internationally. Nixon had some success with China, but this was offset by his disasters in Vietnam and Latin America (September 11th, 1973 is one such date… may Henry Kissinger rot in hell if there is one). Reagan? Disasters all over the world, including in Latin America where his administration sold arms to terrorists groups.
So what about the 21st century? Dubya. Iraq. Bullshit. And now the republican party is back at it with their lies and bullshit… all for the fake libertarians to eat up.
Giancarlo85
If libertarians (republican extremists in sheep clothing) had their way this would be a weekly occurrance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Elk_River_chemical_spill
Libertarians would destroy what’s left of the EPA… and start a “voluntary” system. If a corporation doesn’t want to follow a rule, why should they? That’s the question libertarians ask. Libertarians hate all forms of regulation. They think corporations can decide what is best for everyone. So what if 4-methylcyclohexanemethanol spills into your drinking water? Say that three times fast! Libertarians will also cover it up because businesses should have the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want without any real consequence… because it’s about “economic freedom”.
This is why I take such issue with these people. They have no good ideas, stupid ideas of “reform” and the end product would be catastrophic.
Keep drinking the kool-aid, libertarians (aka republicans)! You’re not fooling anyone! And drink some 4-methylcyclohexanemethanol too while you’re at it!
Vince Ceccacci
Idiot…
zedus headus
@darian: Reasonable people can disagree. I will take your half-of-second of dialogue, and thank you. It is simple, really. The movement is progressing because of gay people’s allies- brothers, sisters, conservatives, liberals, cousins, sons and daughters. I would hope that you see that. Benson, though you might disagree with his point-of-view, is actually your friend.
Mauricio Bolton
Haters! All of you. So much for the accepting diverse group. You will eat yourselves alive and not in the good way.
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: You seem to be young. I respect your youth and energy, but I disagree. We need, we require, that type of energy. But, Benson is simply expressing an opinion with which you seem to disagree.
No insults necessary. But Benson is gay, he is conservative and he disagrees with you.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: Disagree with what? He is a threat to the world with his disgusting viewpoints. Conservative views are as much of a threat as Putin and ISIS. This isn’t about disagreeing. It is about opposing insanity.
darian
Benson himself clearly states “Gay rights is not something that dominates my attentions or my passions,” maintaining that his gayness is less of a cultural identifier as it is purely biological. @zedus headus: So I say to you with friends like these who needs enemies. The movement will become stagnant with self absorbed queens like these.
Giancarlo85
@Mauricio Bolton: I don’t accept conservatives and conservatives hate diversity. Stop trying to use that BS argument. Conservatives are not victims. They are perpetrators.
Randy William Ash
He’s not even old enough to masturbate…irrelevant.
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: Hmm. I give you the last word, we disagree. Whatever. Celebrate that I do. How about I just say you are correct?
zedus headus
@darian: Dude, he is simply providing a different point-of-view. He, still, deserves respect. I mean. Wow. Really?
Austyn de Lugo
But like, he’s really cute…
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: What do conservatives perpetrate? You seem to be the one using base language, being aggressive and being insulting. Lord. I have leveled up cod, baked and iced a three-layer carrot cake, put up a small windmill, taken my Dad to the optometrist, vacuumed my car, fixed a sink, drank three beers, taken a nap and still have to see your rantings? When did Green equate empty of compassion?
Anyway. Apologies to you, me and everyone else. What a waste of time.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: Your views are destructive to the planet, to other countries and to this nation and its economy.
I have a lot of compassion for this planet. Not for polluting criminals and those who side with the destruction of the environment.
Conservatives are fools and espouse lies that run contrary to human dignity, the environment and the future. This is a serious assault on our planet with lies about economic freedom.
Brian Douglas Albert
Surely he has a Manhunt account!!!!!
ChrisDoodie Kromm
Think this is another attempt to swing voters over to republican side…Smh!!
Bauhaus
@Alexander R. Rodriguez:
Guys like you can never get over the fact that your dear lord and savior created you with the desire to SUCK DICK. It must eat you alive.
darian
@zedus headus: Respect is earned not given. Guy only came out to sell a book. And quite honestly given the title it’s a book that attacks the left for the same shit the right does he just reworded some shit. So he’s supposed to get respect for that?
darian
@zedus headus: And he doesn’t deserve anyone’s respect for marginalizing a whole group of peoples under the guise of ” there’s bigger problems going on” even if that is the case don’t say shit like that then expect other people especially those who you’ve compartmentalized. So before you try and come at me with ethics maybe you should think about that first.
zedus headus
@darian: Don’t know him and probably wouldn’t recognize him. But, I see a lot of comments on this thread from the audience. People with strong views, snarky comments, hateful attitudes and, likely no vitae, nothing but empty snaps. What is your name? Where is your photograph? What have you done? Why are you not front and center? Just potshots from the peanut gallery for most of us. Weak. Me,too.
You are out and proud? Show it. You will? *harumph*
Peace Corps, Doctors Without Borders, volunteering anywhere? Helping those who are poor, rejected and on the fringes of society? I think that maybe we are all just too lazy, comfortable and smug to really do anything of substance except criticize the Bensons of the world.
Greens? Yeah. Plant some rosemary, thyme and eat kale. Impressive. Congrats.
Well, anyone who disagrees, just link me to what you have done to make a true difference. I am honest at least. What do you do but sit in your purple, electronic, well decorated tower? You attack Benson, but why? We fought for all and he is included. Give the dude respect, props, even. Like I said- not only did he come out. The man is for real. He is front and center and taking punches that most of us cannot comprehend.
Avery Alvarez
@zedus headus: oh god, you’re still pull the same stunts.
You’ve tried every emotional appeal in the book- and failed miserably.
Now you’ve sunk to using deflection.
No one here has to answer your question. This is about Benson and his attack on the gay community. If you can’t defend then, at least have the balls not to deflect.
Avery Alvarez
@Kieran: “Being gay doesn’t mean you have to think in a certain way or march to a certain political drumbeat. ”
And Benson being gay DOES NOT mean we have to support him.
“Being gay means you are free to be and think however the f*ck you want to be and not giving a sh*t whether anybody else likes it or not.”
Being gay means being attracted to the same sex. That is all. All that stuff you just added is your own subjective opinion.
Saint Law
@zedus headus: He’s included yes, but virtue of being a beneficiary of the civil rights struggles waged by braver and more lucid men.
In his comments on gay marriage he says as much. If it passes and he wishes to marry he will be the beneficiary. But he isn’t actually interested in advancing it, or any gay right.
So he’s freeloading basically. And his prose is terrible. What is the use of him?
I mean the positive use – as I’m sure he will be one of the go-to boys the fascists will use to demonstrate they are not anti-gay even as they work to remove all legal protection from us.
Saint Law
@zedus headus: “Oh I missed this: “He is front and center and taking punches most of us can’t comprehend.”
Speak for yourself you ridiculous pansy.
Avery Alvarez
@tricky ricky: mind your own grammar Rick the Dick
Avery Alvarez
sorry for the last comment, @tricky ricky: Didn’t see your comment
Avery Alvarez
@Mauricio Bolton: Now, we’re going to be just fine. WE dont’ need to accept people with hateful, anti gay politics. You look like you need to lose a bit a weight. What? Gonna call me a hater again?
brent
@Jeffrey Thomas: log cabin’s selling out? They spent years in court fighting to overturn DADT. They finally got a trial during the Obama admin. Obama’s people took the opposite side of the case. The log cabin’s won the case and then Obama changes his position and comes out against DADT. What did liberals like barney frank do? Well of course he gave all the credit to Obama. Should we say that Frank is a sell out because he kissed Obama’s ring by giving him credit for something he did not do?
brent
@Avery Alvarez: When you talk about people fighting for the rights we have today, do you include DADT? If yes, you would have to give the main credit to the log cabin republicans
brent
@Avery Alvarez: Logical fallacy? Democrats claim that they are for tolerance and diversity. Yet, they ignored the fact that blacks and Hispanic’s voted in huge numbers AGAINST gay marriage. Is liberal diversity not a mirage?
brent
@Giancarlo85: What views does he have that is damaging to the gay community?
brent
@tricky ricky: Do you watch both Fox news and MSNBC? If you do, you will notice almost no debates take place on MSNBC. The debates are on Fox news
brent
@Giancarlo85: So gays have to be liberal on everything? Education, trade policy, foreign policy, economics, energy policy, keystone pipeline, nuclear energy, agriculture, environmental policies, labor, national security, public housing, transportation etc. If you are gay and take a non-liberal view on anyone of these subjects you are a self-hater OK I get it!?
brent
@Giancarlo85: You are green and you think they have the best economic policies for the country? I find green countries and states to have the highest cost of living. California is green and the only gays that can afford to live there are the wealthy. Gays who are middle class and do not qualify for any type of public ass. would not be able to afford to live in California. Many western European countries are green and expensive as all hell. Try living in Denmark you can’t even afford to eat at McDonald’s. Many of them like Greece are broke or heavily in debt. California can’t even provide water to their citizens. If you want to live in a green society, more power to you. But do not try and force me to
brent
Liberals! I will ask you to consider how gay marriage passed in Maryland. Blacks voted in big numbers for Obama but 52% against gay marriage. So how did it pass? It turns out that some Romney voters supported it. So it isn’t as simple as you think it is.
Atomicrob
To claim political issues supersede ones own sexual orientation is a psychological block of epic proportions. Hate to break break it to the youngster, but wringing his hands over Iran and Obamacare won’t keep him him warm at night, especially after the cash from his epically awful book runs dry. It’s actually quite sad.
o.codone
If there is one piece of info that I don’t need about people, it’s what they put in their mouth or up their azz. Spare me. Ppl just need to shut up about this stuff.
Giancarlo85
@brent: They had little to nothing to do with DADT. Maybe you should look more at Lambda legal. Please, log cabin Republicans have done little to nothing for the gay community asides from being sell outs
.@brent: Another right wing outs. If you take a right wing view on any of those you are harming people and harming the planet.
@brent: The highest cost of living? What the fuck are you rambling on about? Countries like Sweden have the highest standards of living. And I live in California and know it has better paying jobs. Yes it may be more expensive than Alabama (where you probably live), but it has better opportunities.
You don’t know anything about these green states and countries. Republican states are economic dumps with no real opportunity. Sure it is cheaper to live, but you will be stuck in the same dead end job.
You don’t know fuck all about California. You are just repeating the lies you were spoonfed by fox news. And Greece isn’t a green country. You are just spouting off delusions.
Cam
@brent:
Hi Brent, you haven’t been on here much in the past few years so I just wanted to give you a heads up that the tired line of “Log Cabin filing the case to overturn DAT” doesn’t work.
See, we all know that that case was filed when Patrick Guarino was the head of Log Cabin. He was the one with integrity, the one who refused to endorse candidates who were GOP and anti-gay. The one who spoke out against the anti-gay Bush Campaign.
He left the group and his replacements thought that their job was to cover for anti-gay republicans. That is why Log Cabin was doing things like lying and claiming that Presidential Candidate McCain didn’t support a law in AZ banning adoptions by gays when he was actually in a TV ad supporting it.
DADT is part of this story because when Log Cabin was run by R. Clark Cooper, he endorsed the anti-gay opponent of Dem. Rep. Patrick Murphy, the Iraq war vet who INTRODUCED the legislation in the House to overturn DADT.
His opponent won and Log Cabin was cheering and putting out press releases. They just attacked and help take down the guy pushing for the legislation they claimed they wanted. But under new leadership, they no longer cared about gay rights, they wanted in the club with the bigots, and would protect them.
Oh, and when Obama and others came out in favor of marriage…….Log Cabin attacked them.
So let’s not pretend that Log Cabin has any concern for gays since Patrick Guarini left. That lawsuit was the last pro-gay thing they did, and he is the one who did it. Since that time they saw their only job as being to provide cover, and protect bigots.
But nice try.
brent
@Cam: Hello to you as well. Are you saying the liberal WIKIPEDIA entry on this subject is wrong? If yes, what part of the log cabin entry is wrong? I do not doubt gay republicans can provide cover for homophobia in the social conservative wing. Is that different than gay liberals who provide cover for homophobia in the black, hispanic and Muslim communities. In Sweden liberals go out of their way to provide cover for radical Islam.
Giancarlo85
@brent: You are such an idiot! Romney supporters had nothing to do with it passing in Maryland. African Americans actually had many who voted for it. That is how it passed. You gay Republicans are all the same. Spouting off crap about states you know nothing about and lying about everything.
And please don’t talk about California again. Sure you may be happy in your little hateful Republican state where 70% of the state is against same sex marriage, but please don’t post all these misconceptions.
Giancarlo85
@brent: What debates are on fox news? Are you really this brainwashed and stupid? By the way, when you went after Latinos that was hilarious. Many polls show almost 60% of Latinos favor same sex marriage.
You are such a self hater. You can’t even post any proof for any of your ridiculous statements.
brent
@Giancarlo85: Proof for what i said can be found in Huffington Post and the Washington Post. Google gay marriage Maryland Romney voter and you should find the articles i am talking about. California did prop 8 pass or didn’t it?
Mark Pointon
darian
@zedus headus: I promise you this is the last time I’m going to say this RESPECT IS EARNED NOT GIVEN. with that being said I don’t owe you, guy, or anybody else a goddamn thing. So the next time you want to come at me as if you hold a monopoly on morality for kissing this sellouts’ ass remember this no has to like or respect anybody.
Just because he is gay doesn’t mean we have to all like him or give him credit. He can have all the different view points he wants but you and his other protectors shouldn’t waste your time defending him from your fellow gay and worry about deflecting those punches from the Republicans you’ve pledged alliance to.
darian
And the next gay Republican that jumps on this post bitching that the left is as “accepting” as we claim. We are not here to kiss your victimized asses because your leaders say mean things about in public. So before you come here acting butt hurt remember you chose to be a Republican.
brent
@Giancarlo85: DADT You can check the liberal site WIKIPEDIA for info on the log cabin involvement. If i take the wrong views on those subjects. So you get to decide the gay position on those issues. You are right about Greece but wrong about California. I live in Florida where believe it or not we have employment opportunities. California is a beautiful state for the rich. Hateful? Gay marriage did not pass at the polls in either florida or California. Sweden has a better cost of living than Denmark but a failed multicultural state. The future for gays cannot be bright in a country dominated by radical Islam. You are entitled to your green views, but i do not share them nor am i required too.
MCHG
I say good for him. If Fox news viewers realize this very professional, very conservative guy who they love seeing on TV is gay, maybe it will open up their hearts. The most effective strategy in the fight for gay rights has been coming out, not shouting down people’s throats that they’ve got the opposite worldview as you and are therefore evil. PR matters. As for fear that he might be mistreated at Fox, Sheppard Smith is treated like a God there and we all know the deal with him. I suspect that just like Smith, the people who work with Guy knew all long and didn’t give two shits about it. As far as the gay Republican/log cabin hate… *yawn*. That shit gets old. LCR got themselves disinvited from an event due to their support of gay marriage. But tell me again how they’re evil and supporting candidates who want to kill gays and are like Jewish Nazi’s or whatever hyper emotional drivel you’re parroting now.
Cam
@brent: said…
“@Cam: Hello to you as well. Are you saying the liberal WIKIPEDIA entry on this subject is wrong? If yes, what part of the log cabin entry is wrong? I do not doubt gay republicans can provide cover for homophobia in the social conservative wing. Is that different than gay liberals who provide cover for homophobia in the black, hispanic and Muslim communities. In Sweden liberals go out of their way to provide cover for radical Islam.”
_____________________________
Brent, if you think that anything I said about Log Cabin History is incorrect you are welcome to point out where. DADT was filed under a different leader, and subsequent leaders endorsed people and supported people with anti-gay views, even when they were running against people like Rep. Patrick Murphy.
Interesting that to try to come up with an attack on “Liberals” you had to bring up another country. So again, rather than vaguely mentioning “Wikipedia”, point out specifically where my listing of what Log Cabin did was wrong and we can discuss that.
brent
@Giancarlo85: I get that from Fox and MSNBC. On fox i hear different opinions, and on MSNBC i hear a liberal interviewing a liberal. I was basing the Hispanic comment, not on polls but on election results. I am old fashioned. I believe the only poll that counts is on election day. Under that standard Hispanics have a terrible track record.
brent
@Cam: Wikipedia entry LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS VS. UNITED STATES I mentioned Sweden because another blogger brought it up. I had Sweden on my mind. I should have made that point to the other guy, not you.
Cam
@brent:
And again, you are pulling the old trick. If there is something in Wikipedia which disproves what I said, your computer should have no trouble cutting and pasting it in here.
If you cannot put up the simple wording that you are claiming somehow disprove my statements, then that is very telling.
brent
@Cam: Ok! I do not know how to cut and paste. I can ask my roommate if he knows how to do it. For now i can tell you if you just click on google and type in LOG CABIN REPUBULICANS VS. UNITED STATES it should be the first thing you see. The second thing you will see is a brief by Lambda, which i believe you mentioned.
AtticusBennett
here’s why he will change no hearts and minds – he’s not trying to. he’s only interested in saving his own ass. by toeing the line so HE will be tolerated, conditionally.
he does not challenge nor criticize his party’s homophobia. transphobia. sexism. misogyny. racism. pandering to the wealthiest citizens, fiscally, and the lowest common denominator, socially.
he will change nobody’s minds. because he’s too interested in ignoring the bigotry of his party, and pretending instead that he’s most-oppressed by “intolerant liberals”
he’s a wimp. and i pity him.
Cam
@brent:
No problem, then, since it is so easy to find, you should have no trouble pointing out exactly which pieces of history you disagree with. My facts are straight.
OhHellNo
Oh, cute. The GOP now can say it has a token homo. (Other than all the closeted homos it has.) I’m not surprised he’s Republican, though – it’s all a matter of priority. After all, he’s obviously far more stupid than he is gay.
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: Compassion for a rock flying through space, but not another human being. No. I don’t understand. Marriage is a conservative construct, btw.
zedus headus
@darian: Turning those with whom we disagree into caricatures and calling them names does not win an argument. It does illustrate an intellectual weakness in one’s point-of-view. Benson is not the enemy, I am not a Republican and your position, as angrily as you present it, might be correct. I take issue with the tone and incivility.
The people who continue to make a profound impact in the debate about gay rights are those who are out. I never said that I agree with Benson, only that he should not be dehumanized. We all deserve a modicum of dignity.
Jacob23
I don’t agree with this guy’s priorities, but I can’t see how he is an “enemy.” There’s a spectrum which runs along the following lines:
– Closeted gays who actively persecute LGBs (Roy Cohn, Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, ex-gays)
– Out gays who promote anti-gay arguments to advance their careers (Robert Lopez,Terry Dolan)
– Out gays who oppose homophobia but relegate it to a low priority (Guy Benson)
– Out gays who oppose homophobia, make it a priority, but who have to work within the confines of an anti-gay party (Log Cabin Republicans, gay evangelicals, gay Catholics)
Seems to me that the first 2 groups are contemptible and should be the focus of our attention. The middle group, into which Mr. Benson fits, is not an enemy, but a group that needs outreach. They can change. Look at Tim Cook of Apple. For most of his life, he was probably in the middle category, along with Guy Benson. Number 2 at Apple but not really doing or saying anything to help. But recently, he has reassessed things and is now an advocate. Let’s not demonize Benson but instead treat him as a young Tim Cook.
The final group of people deserve praise and support, because they are doing the hard work of changing a hostile party or organization. LGBs will never get equality if one of the two major parties hates us.
zedus headus
@Saint Law: I like pansies- both the flower and that type of dude. They give the best hugs. Be more creative, ‘cuz I ain’t scared of you, brother.
AtticusBennett
“. LGBs will never get equality if one of the two major parties hates us.”
The GOP’s fiscal policies screw over the middle and working classes. That’s why the GOP won’t ever drop their anti-gay and anti-choice and anti-trans stances: they need to trick emotional and stupid people into voting against their own best economic interests.
get ’em with “jesus and faggots” because they can’t say “vote for us and the rich stay rich and you’ll stay poor white trash”
Benson is yet another white moneyed homosexual who is tolerated, TOLERATED – not accepted or supported, as long as he toes the line.
it’s like “i’m a gay man! but i’m celibate and preach that gay sex is wrong, so my Christian family will love me!”
benson is, in a word, a coward.
zedus headus
@Jacob23: You are likely correct. But thanks for taking all of the fun out of this.
Kieran
It takes a lot more balls to come out as gay in front of MILLIONS of viewers on the Fox News channel than it does at your weekly GLBT support group meeting. I don’t know enough about Guy Benson to cast judgment on him. He may be many things, but “a coward” isn’t one of them.
And the bottom line, he has THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT to be gay AND be on Fox News AND have his own political viewpoints. IF he opposes rights for gays—then he should be condemned for that. But if he presents a positive face for gay men to millions of Americans across the country who may believe they’ve never met a gay men, then he should be welcomed and celebrated.
AtticusBennett
@Kieran: you’re funny because you have capers for testes, too 😀
it takes no courage whatsoever to be a moneyed white homo who earns his pithy tolerance by refusing to ever stand up to and challenge the ongoing racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, sexism and ignorance of the GOP and Fox. which are, of course, the exact same thing.
he’s not accepted, supported, or loved. he’s tolerated, and only conditionally. by toeing the line.
this is the face of the gay republicans: cowards who can’t do anything unless daddy lets them.
and you guys defending him reveal what broken little wimps you are, too.
lauraspencer
@teddy55:
Ask Ricky Martin, Clay Aiken, Lance Bass, Richard Chameberlain, et. al.
lauraspencer
@zedus headus:
Smartly stated!!!
lauraspencer
@Chicago:
Because on a regular basis I see how the government controls my money but I rarely, if ever, see them controling my sexual identity.
I love this line!! THANK YOU Chicago (was just there yesterday for work).
lauraspencer
@zedus headus:
Not a waste of time Zedus. I like what you’ve said. It is very logical and respectfully stated.
Don’t let Giancarlo85 get to you. He is a bully. I’m just waiting for someone to hit him upside his head with his/her lunchbox at recess so that he learns be a bit nicer to others on the playground.
Cam
I love all of these people that keep hiding the truth behind claiming that somebody has a “Difference of Opinion”.
Yes, that opinion is that discrimination against gays should be legalized. So that “Difference of opinion” is the fact that we think that we should have civil rights, and they think they should legally be able to discriminate against us, and this guy agrees with them.
If you right wingers had a legitimate argument you wouldn’t keep having to hide the actual issues behind euphemisms.
darian
@zedus headus: Couple things 1. I’m not here to spare another grown persons feelings. I couldn’t give half a fuck if someone doesn’t like what I have to say. Don’t like it prove me wrong? You want to try and tell me who deserves what according to what you think. In the beginning I wasn’t trying to be an asshole in the beginning but arguments kept falling flat so now as previously stated zero fucks given. Ok so now we’re in dignity? Listen he doesn’t need shit from me you give him enough.
Kieran
@atticus how am I supposed to take what you say seriously when you’ve repeatedly announced that you’re leaving this website for good and yet…..you keep coming back like a bad rash?
Giancarlo85
@brent: Spoken like a true brainwashed fool. California is doing just fine. I live in the state. The state possess the largest economy in the entire country, four of the largest ports in the entire country where 80% of imports/exports flow out of, the largest tech sector in the entire country, the largest manufacturing sector in the entire country, and if it was its own country it would be the 8th largest economy in the world. The state economy just exceeded $2.4 trillion, surpassing pre-recession levels.
As far as high costs of living, not exactly. It depends where you live. Of course in areas with very high paying jobs and high median incomes, living costs will be higher. But then again, these are such opportunities that don’t exist in Florida. Florida is only well off in democrat urban areas. The rest of the state is a total shithole.
And I didn’t tell you to accept anything. I’m just saying just about every republican state is an impoverished shithole that relies on federal funding to avoid massive shortfalls. Your state of Florida is well known for taking far more federal money than it generates. And Miami is miniscule in economic activity compared to Los Angeles or even San Diego.
Giancarlo85
@brent: More lies. Romney voters had nothing to do with it passing. Same sex marriage passed in the overwhelmingly democratic state because an overwhelming majority of democratic voters voted in favor of it. Republican voters were still opposed majority wise.
@brent: And what election results were those exactly? From 2008? It’s 2015 and a lot has changed in the last few years. You seem to be living under some sort of rock. You claim democrats don’t do anything for gay people, and republicans do. You can’t possibly be that stupid!
And there is no such thing as a debate on Faux news. It’s just a bunch of “yes men” and the occasional so called “moderate” brought on for show. You don’t get any real information from Faux News.
@zedus headus: I have enormous compassion for other human beings. That’s why I want this planet to be green for future generations. Costa Rica has the right idea. This is why libertarianism as a philosophy needs to be stamped out. You don’t gain any real stability. Costa Rica has embraced green eco-tourism and is also becoming a high tech modern economy.
brent
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Giancarlo85: Only the urban areas controlled by democrats are in good shape? Have you been following the news on Baltimore? The second highest spending on education and what have they done with it? Baltimore is a good example of urban areas throughout the country. Over funded and poorly run. California is doing just fine. Well in Florida we have water without rationing it. Have the same thing in your state. NO WHY? Because the green people care more about smelt fish than humans. I asked CAM to go to the Wikipedia entry and tell me what part was wrong. When did i claim democrats do not do anything for gay people? What i said about Maryland was true as reported by the Washington Post and the Huffington Post. Have you read the articles i was talking about? It would seem you should read the articles before you call me a liar. Reading your comments has turned me off to anything GREEN.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Oh look… it’s the troll who comes around when it’s convenient. The real bully here is you. One could take a look at your anti-gay comments you made towards me on this blog. I wonder how you’re still allowed to post on here.
@brent: You don’t research anything. YOu tell people to go on wikipedia and google. By the way, wikipedia isn’t liberal and it isn’t a source.
enlightenone
@Kieran: “… he should be welcomed and celebrated.”
Then you should buy him a “out homosexual” cakes at one of those “religious” bakeries!
zedus headus
@darian: Apologies, Darian. We disagree, but I still respect your point-of-view. It’s all groovy. I bet you are actually angry, and hurt, about something else. I respect you, I accept you and I bet you are a chill, cool dude.
brent
@AtticusBennett: I would agree that he should stand up to homophobia in the white people who belong to the GOP party. I find it interesting that you define courage by someone who is gay as standing up to homophobia in the party they belong to. Under that standard Barney Frank would be a coward. He does the same thing this guy does. He stands up to homophobia in the other party, but not his own party. Blacks, Hispanics and Muslims have a history of homophobia and i have never heard Frank take them to task for it
brent
@Cam: You are the one who disagrees with me. Who knows maybe i have it wrong. But if you don’t read the Wikipedia entry then how will we know who is right?
zedus headus
@brent: I am just saying this. Barney Frank did not come out proudly. Representative Frank was pulled out in a scandal. Don’t rainbow-wash the truth.
Giancarlo85
@brent: Are you really this stupid in person? Urban areas are the economic centers of just about all states. Los Angeles is far from perfect and has many problems, but it is a major economic center with massive industries, manufacturing and high tech. Urban centers are the economic centers with their central business districts. That’s where the majority of economic activity occurs.
California has a different climate than Florida. We don’t get rain! We may have to try desalination (and the Carlsbad plant is evidence of that). You get hammered by hurricanes every year. Big difference.
Wikipedia is garbage. You need to stop asking people to look things up when you can’t prove anything.
” What i said about Maryland was true as reported by the Washington Post and the Huffington Post.’
No it wasn’t. And if you think so, cite it.
“It would seem you should read the articles before you call me a liar. Reading your comments has turned me off to anything GREEN.”
What articles? You haven’t posteda nything.
Reading your comments has turned me off to anything republican and anything related to American exceptionalist bullshit!
@brent: You are so such a fucking crackpot. The democrats are by and large far more accepting of gay people than the republicans. Republicans are ANTI-GAY by a large majority. This is a fact.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: Oh wow. Going after Barney Frank. You republican drones are all the fucking same. All the same lies and your party is ridden with scandal.
Anti-gay republicans are the majority, and quite a few have been caught in gay sex scandals.
Giancarlo85
@brent: When has the GOP stood against homophobia? Answer that. If you refuse to answer or come with another deflection, we know you’re just covering up the anti-equality pro-hatred activities of the republican party.
You try to bring up homophobia among democrats. Uh huh sure. 75%-80% of democrats support marriage equality according to recent polls, and it was democrats who turned out in numbers in 2012 to pass same sex marriage in three states… not douchebag republicans.
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: I am not a Republican. I am just trying to say that the Gay movement has made such tremendous progress. Guy Benson is not an enemy, or the enemy. He is gay, co-wrote a book, and then said, yep, I like dudes.
I may disagree with him, but I disagree more with those without the ability to speak civilly. This is my first extended thread here, but I am tiring of the judgement. I have been called an idiot, a pansy, ridiculous, stupid, and even worse, a Libertarian. Ouch.
I will tell you what I am. A human being with opinions that may differ from yours, but to debase me because of those differences only reflects on you.
seaguy
He’s cute but being a contributor to Fox News the channel that lies and lies and lies is not cool. I can handle gay republican’s but when you work for Fox your the enemy that channel is nothing but lies.
brent
@Giancarlo85: go to google and type in MARYLAND GAY MARRIAGE ROMNEY VOTER The first article you should see is a Huffington Post article and lower on the same page you will find the Washington Post article i was referring to. This should take you only a couple of minutes to do
zedus headus
@seaguy: News channels are corporations; all of them. Surprise.
zedus headus
@Giancarlo85: Insults, again. Drones? I can barely fly a kite. This matters to me, because your righteousness, your zealotry, the deep darkness of your hatred for those who might disagree. I do not get it.
I still think that you just might be cynical, and young. Maybe someone hurt you and you receive satisfaction for lashing out. I dono. I care, but you can only repair yourself.
At first, I thought we could establish a foundation from we could dialogue and compromise. But it seems like you might lack reason, kindness, empathy, compassion and love for your fellow man.
Bon chance.
Giancarlo85
@zedus headus: You exaggerate and make audacious claims. I oppose extremist ideas like conservatism and libertarianism. You then sit here and claim I am the one being hateful. That kind of logic doesn’t fly. Stop trying to claim you or this Benson hypocrite are some sort of victim. The only ones with deep rooted hatred are those on the right wing.
And you keep attacking me and calling me young and inexperienced. Now you are making more stupid claims. I think you are the one that lacks experience. If you had any sense you wouldn’t be a libertarian.
I don’t need to fix or repair myself. You are the one that needs to do that to yourself. Abandon your libertarian myths and come back to reality.
You are a raving hypocrite. My views are all about compassion and empathy for the world and those suffering. Your viewpoints are about selfishness and would evolve into an oligarchy.
Libertarians have no love, no compassion and no respect for others.
wagnerwallace
@Giancarlo85: You are totally incapable of having a well informed talk in a non-confrontational way.
Giancarlo85
@brent: Utter fucking bullshit. You have nothing and I am not googling anything. the reason why same sex marriage passed in the three states it did was because of DEMOCRATS.
@wagnerwallace: You are utterly in capable of having a well informed opinion because you’re a right wing nut. You’re the gay version of Bryan Fischer.
1EqualityUSA
These tedious righters didn’t come here to “have well informed talk.” When they couldn’t manipulate us with their propaganda, they played the victim card and attempted to manipulate the regulars. Why even waste your time on these ‘tards? They are not going to change their opinions no matter how convincingly we relay the wrongs perpetrated on us by the Republicans. Always ask yourself, what kind of Supreme Court Justices would the Republicans push onto the bench. We do not need another life-time appointed Scalia or Alito or Thomas (the mute).
brent
@1EqualityUSA: I would like to know how you could accuse me of not wanting to have a well informed talk. I asked giancarlo85 to read a washington post article for a well informed talk. He refused to read it. The only way you could accuse me of not wanting a well informed talk would be if you consider the washington post as an uninformed source.
DavidIntl
First, I must admit that I had never heard oF Guy Benson before this story garnered attention. Second, it is quite possible the my reaction is coloured by the fact that I find this guy really cute…
But I am glad to have voices like his in the gay tent, and I regret that so many in our community seem to reject him. It is important to remember that we are a large and diverse group, and it is unwise for us to impose any litmus test on membership.
Personally, I can completely relate to his attempt to separate his homosexuality from his political views, and to choose his own priorities in weighing political questions. Personally, I have long been confronted by a similar problem. As a true libertarian, I am generally in agreement with liberal voices on social issues, but conservative ones on economic issues. And as one set of issues or the other has seemed more pressing at different times in history, my own voting has swung between the parties in the frustratingly-binary elections seen in most Western democracies (I have multiple nationalities, so have had occasion to vote in elections in various countries).
1EqualityUSA
Davidlntl, From where does this notion come that Republicans are fiscally prudent? How many times do we have to see how the Country is harmed by these horrible policies pushed by these greedy beasts? They must think that if they keep repeating it over and over that we will believe them. I do not believe them. McCain was the worst as far a jumping onto the deregulation band wagon. Bush was a damned nightmare, plummeting this Country to near Depression, and the Republicans have not cooperated to help Obama, to the detriment of many.
Deregulation harmed us and now Republicans want to pull us back into this dank swamp again. No way! And No way to going back to discrimination too. This country will pull through this mess and this country will have met the challenge of bigotry. The U.S.A. will have been made stronger for having overcome bigotry, once again.
The Republicans need to realize that their ship is sinking slowly with the weight of evangelical religiosity, Tea party nut-cases, and organizations incorporating the word, “family” that promote LGBT animus and have no qualms about slandering our lot to fulfill their goals. This Party is dark. The Justices they want for the Supreme Court are tainted and politically motivated.
Giancarlo85
@brent: You have never posted any such Washington Post article and no such article exists. You are not well informed and you are not educated in these matters.
@DavidIntl:
“It is important to remember that we are a large and diverse group, and it is unwise for us to impose any litmus test on membership.”
First off, diversity is very important… but someone chooses to be conservative or republican. They aren’t born with those misinformed opinions.
“As a true libertarian, I am generally in agreement with liberal voices on social issues, but conservative ones on economic issues.”
Libertarians are completely wrong when it comes to economics and are sell-outs to corporations.
Republicans and conservatives are horrible when it comes to economic issues in multiple countries. The conservatives in the UK have completely mismanaged the economy, yet barely held onto power in a recent election (which is a bit depressing, but the Labour Party really was that uninspiring).
Republicans and conservatives drove America to the brink of depression, and certainly one of the worst recessions in modern history. They left the US saddled with debt and then blame Obama for it. Bush and his conservative cronies merely excluded the debt from the national budget and it piled up for the future administration to deal with.
The republican party has had a disastrous economic record since the 1970s. Nixon left the nation in a recession and with low confidence. Ford wasn’t inspiring and didn’t win his election. Reagan left this nation a mess with a fake economic boom. George H.W. Bush lost his re-election because the economy went into recession. George W. Bush left this nation in one of the worst recessions since 1929. Obama averted the recession from getting any worse by enacting rules like the “Frank-Dodd reforms” which you libertarians and conservatives promptly gutted.
We know where you stand. It isn’t with the people. It’s with corporations.
brent
@Giancarlo85: I told it was on google if you type in the words MARYLAND GAY MARRIAGE ROMNEY VOTER The article is on the first page
Giancarlo85
@brent: You are lazy. Democrats got it passed as they voted in a majority for it. Learn some facts please.
Billysees
@lauraspencer:
“I applaud Guy for coming out. It couldn’t have been easy seeing where he works.
It’s great that a guy his age at the early stage in his career is willing to come out.
Whether you like FOX News or not it is still impressive that Guy came out.”
Good observations.