‘I Don’t Care What Your Spiritual-Religious Beliefs Are, It Should Not Interfere With Our Government’

Say what you will about Ashton Kutcher — What Happens In Vegas, Guess Who, and the list goes on — but it’s nice to see the guy’s on the side of gay folk, and willing to drill down the entire notion of Proposition 8 so succinctly: That in a country founded on the separation of church and state, we refuse to separate church and state. (Oh, and the religious guy in the beginning is hell-a interesting too.)

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  • mark

    Bill Maher
    While interviewing Dan Savage brought up “Joe FUDGEPACKER”…..WAY over the line Maher!
    Savage was visibly p*ssed at him, I was suprised Savage continued the interview via satelite, I would have said F*CK OFF, and took off the mic and WALKED.

  • fredo777

    I’ll say of Ashton that his kiss with Seann William Scott in Dude, Where’s My Car? has sealed the deal, landing him a special place in my heart (+ that clip a space on my Youtube favorites) forever.

  • fredo777

    And his sincerity in this clip was palpable.

  • GranDiva

    Very true, and Savage might well have terminated the interview, were Dan Savage not on Bill Maher’s payroll (which he has been for the last year or so).

    At least Maher conceded that he went over the line at the time, not that that counts for much.

    The show was way off form from the opening monologue. It’s too bad that last night was the last show before hiatus insteat of last week’s show, which was pretty much on point.

  • Charles J. Mueller

    Aw, c’mon, guys. Bill Maher has defended gays on more than one occasion on his show. He does NOT support any ban, from any state, on gay marriage and has said so time and time again.

    He has also gone after the religious right who incessently hound the gay community with their bitterness, bigotry, hatred and hypocricy, with a meat clever and makes no bones about the fact that religion, in any shape, manner or form, is a crock of bullshit.

    Admittedly, his comment was over the top, but I don’t think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. Maher is a valuable ally and I don’t think we should be spitting in his face for being on our side.

  • The Gay Numbers

    @Charles J. Mueller: Comedy is about going to that edge. Sometimes you are going to inadvertantly cross it. That does not mean we should beat down the comedian for doing it.

  • L

    The Episcopalian was great. Just wish he had gone further and stated that it is flat out wrong for the LDS and RC churches to tell his denomination who they can marry.

  • mark

    Maher OWES Dan Savage an apology, I enjoy Maher, but this was BEYOND insulting, saying faggot would have been TEN times less offensive than FUDGEPACKER.

  • The Gay Numbers

    @mark: if he apologizes I will never watch maher again. it was a joke.

  • Tim

    @mark: “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California”
    was said by over six million Californians,
    and I find that a hell of a lot more offensive.

  • Alan down in Florida

    Jeez guys what ever happened to your sense of humor. Bill Maher is a comedian – no matter how serious the subject matter of the show it is ultimately a comedy hour. As for the word fudge packer – do you really believe more than 10 per cent of the audience even got the joke. I was watching it with my mother and had to explain it to her. I’ll bet that moment was repeated in a large majority of the households it was beamed into.

  • fredo777

    @Alan down in Florida: Joke or not, I doubt that most people don’t know what the term “fudgepacker” means, especially considering the context within which it’s used.

  • anokie

    The “religous” guy is Jon Meachum he’s the editor of Newsweek….he’s a cool guy.

  • mark

    Do you guys hang out with mentally challenged that don’t know what a fudgepacker means?

    you could ask seventh graders and get a G*D DAMN unanimous answer what that means.

  • mark


    This fudgepacker comment took place in a discussion of OUR constitutional Rights to equal protection under the law being shreaded.

    THAT makes it adding INSULT to injury.
    This is NOT the week str8 folks want to TEST our sense of humor….seriously it’s NOT!

  • The Gay Numbers

    One of the worse things that happens during political movements is where some quickly lose their ability to tell ally from enemy because they become rigid.

    Many of you can post until you are blue. Maher is ally. I am going to accept the fact that the man was joking and move on. You can what you want.

  • Anarchos

    Maher consistently cracks jokes about pretty much EVERYONE–the man IS a comedian after all. I think people are a bit raw right now so they’re really taking this joke to heart, but it’s honestly no worse than any joke he might make on the show at any given time.

  • dzerobc

    He was joking, loosen up! I generally like Maher, he is an ally in the war. What is a better joke? What is a better way to refer to us in a “Joe whatever” way. Joe Fruit? Joe Cocksucker? (I personally never understood why cocksucker is supposed to be an insult…) Also, Dan can defend himself. He bitch slapped the idiot on CNN!

  • Tim

    @dzerobc: I think the name you’re looking for is Joe Blow

  • Tim

    @mark: Well that is the problem, you are focusing too much on a slight insult when we have just suffered a severe injury.

  • John in CA

    While impolitic, Maher’s comment should be taken in context. He’s against Prop. 8 because it is a rights issue. However, given his disdain for the concept of marriage in general, his critique probably came out more insensitive and shrill than he intended it to.

    But he was trying to say that the average, disengaged gay American – hence the “Joe the Plumber” reference – seems to care more about casual sex and drugs than same-sex marriage. And so, they aren’t really that invested in it. I think Dan Savage did a good job of responding to that assertion.

    But I also think Maher brought up a valid point. One million homosexuals didn’t even bother to vote in California. And not only was Prop. 8 on the ballot, but also perhaps one of the most important federal elections in a generation. If that doesn’t get them out to the polls, I don’t know what will.

  • The Gay Numbers

    @John in CA: Exactly. While people have been busy pointing fingers, we need to realize the gay population in California did not turn out. Way too many gay people see their own rights as unimportant. I wish this were just over the marriage issue, but the reality is that I have heard some pretty nasty comments from other gay people across the board.

  • Alexa

    It was also a reference to Joe Sixpack, one of Palin’s favorite expressions. Yes, it was not cool, but in the great scheme of things it really doesn’t matter. We need to focus on the people who want to eliminate our rights, not gay friendly comics who aren’t politically correct (about anything, if you recall his first show).

    On the actual subject of the thread, I’m the furthest thing from an Ashton Kutcher fan and couldn’t imagine why he was even on Bill’s show, but he came across well. Much better than P Diddy or whatever his name is now.

  • mark

    If I don’t see Maher apologise to Dan Savage, I’ll be a lot less likely to watch REAL TIME, which I never missed.

  • The Gay Numbers

    @mark: Will you please stfu. Do what you want, but stop using this thread to work out your obvious mental problems.


    I agree about Ashton. The fact he actually knew our system of government unlike way too many politicos was surprising. What was more surprising was that he knew the historical context for equal protection and the bill of rights.

  • Paul

    Ashton is handsome when get gets riled up. Go get ’em, tiger!

  • Charles J. Mueller

    I’m with you, The Gay Numbers. Comedy is about going to the edge…on a great variety of subjects. If it weren’t, what would be comical about anything?

    I also noted your comment about the gay population in California not turning out to vote. It struck a cord in me.

    Yesterday, I attended one of the many rallies around the country here in the Tampa Bay area. The turnout, IMHO, was dismal and was much less than I would have hope for. The low turn-out suggested the same apathy that seems to have afflicted the California gay voting populace. It says reams about my red-necked home state of Floria, who also passed Prop2 simultaneously with Arizona, Arkansas and California.

    Even more disappointing to me, was the fact that I sent emails and made phone calls to all of my friends here in the Tampa Bay, inviting them to attend that rally with me to show our support of NO on Pro2. Only one person, a young man of Asian origin interestingly, cared enough about the issue to show up!

    I got responses like “I’m not interested in getting married. What’s it to me?”, “I’m busy this weekend, I can’t attend.”, “I have friends coming into town this weekend.”, “I’ve already made other plans.” and a whole host of other rather lame excuses for not attending, despite the fact that every single one of these “friends” knows of my multi-national relationship with a Filipino partner and is aware of the six-years of financial strain, hard-work and disappointment imposed on our lives due to the lack of equal rights for gays in America that he and I have suffered as a result of not having equal rights.

    It’s a sad observation and commentary on my behalf, that my str8 friends show more concern about and are more supportive of our plight, than my so-called gay friends do.

    The bottom line is, if we do not care enough about ourselves to speak up when people step on our blue suede shoes, how in hell’s name, can we ever expect others, and that includes heterosexuals, blacks, Latinos, the religious right and folks from all walks of life, to support us, when we don’t even try to support ourselves?

    That’s my 2-cents worth.

  • B Nesbitt

    Oh I like this guy more now. Funny the Rev hasn’t had his 2-cents worth, eh??

    Sorry Rev, u know we all love u, we just hate what u do ;)…

  • Puddy Katz

    I definitely think Ashton should be allowed to have a gay marriage if he wants it.

  • georgia

    So amazed that Ashton is right on point!
    ALSO: if ‘protecting families and the institution of marriage’ is the argument for Prop 8, they why don’t we introduce a Prop of our own – one that makes divorce illegal.

  • gay as life

    Ashton was great.

    Give Maher a break. He’s very pro-gay and does not shy away from our issues. I don’t particularly find him funny, but I do enjoy his show overall. And he is KNOWN for going “over the line”. If you really think “fudgepacker” is such a big deal, you probably would have had him executed for the comments he made after 9/11, which got him pulled off the air.

    His comment here was a (not really funny) joke and continued his repeated mockery of McCain/Palin. Let it go.

  • Rev larry

    IN THE FIRST PLACE IT IS NOT YOUR GOVERN MENT. IN THE SECOND PLACE IF YOU ALL WOULD DO A LITTLE RESEARCH THE FIRST BOOK THAT WAS AUTHOURISED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR SCHOOL CHILDREN WAS THE BIBLE! AND ALSO THAT ALL MAJOR UNIVERSITIESWERE ALSO STARTED BY THE CHURCHES ITS JUST THAT A LOT OF SICK PEOPLE GOT INTO THE SYSTEM AND RUINED THIS COUNTRY !Well let me remind you that every country that has gotten morraly corrupt and debased itself was destroyed and SINCE GOD is still in charge this country is no exception and although you think that you have something it will prove to be less than nothing! becasue you are judged and found wanting ! If this nation does not repent wholly tge lord will destroy it just as with sodom and gamorrah because this countru has exceeded sodoms sin!

  • Rev larry

    @mark: yeah you are sick and in need of Jesus christ!

  • B Nesbitt

    C’mon Rev this is getting pathetic!

    Your throwing scriptures into a sea of
    news and soft porn

    I stood every school morning in America at the flag dear, I have as much right to speak as you do! The fact I’m not a christian does not affect that here!!!

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