While NAACP chairman Julian Bond managed to give a speech on gay equality that was arguably more moving than any gay leader has ever given, the black civil rights organization has no official position on same-sex marriage. As NAACP president Benjamin Todd Jealous tells it, they don’t have a national stance on letting gays get married because there is not yet a consensus inside the org. Yes, they are pro-hate crimes legislation for gays. Yes, they are against bullying in schools that targets gay kids. And yes, they are against laws banning same-sex marriage, like Prop 8. But the “tense debate” over fully supporting our right to marry remains unresolved. This is problematic.
As Jealous tells it, he would rather keep the NAACP together as an agreeable unit than divide followers by taking a stance on marriage equality. The organization is more effective, he says, when it can act in unison with all its moving parts. This premise, of course, depends on what your definition of “effective” is.
To many gays — black, white, whatever — standing on the right side of equality is the only way to be effective. Not declaring your position is tantamount to tolerating discrimination. The NAACP cannot effectively criticize those who approve of keeping gays as second-class without taking an official stand. It’s an exercise in logic fucking to consider a civil rights organization — founded for the singular purpose of demanding and spreading equality — that refuses to, well, demand and spread other types of equality.
The issue of same-sex marriage is too decisive, insists Jealous. But is letting people of various religions practice their faiths openly too controversial to support? How about letting a black woman and a white man wed? Of course not. These issues have been resolved; they are no longer controversial moral issues. But while we complain about Gay Inc. moving too slowly, here we have Black Inc. waddling toward one of the last remaining equality stands — instead of leading the pack and declaring equality is paramount, especially in the face of internal squabbling.
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It is exactly this passivity that helps drive divide inside black civil rights camps. Where civil rights leaders and the black church and inextricably tied, the issue becomes even more contentious. (It also explains why some black churches are simply exiting the business of marriage altogether.) We understand Jealous’ argument: Some very powerful black leaders do not support same-sex marriage, and to go on record as defying their conservative beliefs will generate hostility inside the NAACP. But since when has placating those who actively endorse discrimination been a tenet of his organization?
The NAACP has an opportunity to once again lead — or at least be at the forefront of — the battle for equal rights. Now more than ever, we need the support of other minority communities on our side. But Jealous and the NAACP refuse to take a stand on what, to many, is an obvious choice: equality for all is the only option.
Awooooo
I think this is a question that needs to be answered honestly.
Why does the NAACP specifically need to have a gay rights agenda? How many of the bigger Latino/Jewish/Asian came out to support gay marriage?
It’s good to support gay rights however it just seems a bit odd that people are specifically focusing in on black people for support and then attacking them when they don’t give what you want.
Tallyho2
Being gay is an almost abstract thing. It isn’t something that you get from your parents like your race…I would agree that I hope NAACP rethinks its position on this one, only because in the long run gay marriage will be universal.
Keep in mind that the NAACP is a hundred year old organization.
Ah, whatever you gay white men kill me.
Awooooo
@Tallyho2:
“Being gay is an almost abstract thing.”
What does this mean?
” It isn’t something that you get from your parents like your race””
Why does this matter when it comes to supporting gay rights?
Dennis
Thank you for at least acknowledging NAACP’s correct, GLBT-supportive stance on hate crimes protections, bullying, and against Prop 8. NAACP can be seen as an ally, holding many progressive positions and basically asserting that the black rights movement and the GLBT rights movement should show mutual respect and support. This is a good thing….
Yes, there appears to be a conflict of opinion within the organization about marriage support. Outside of “gay bubbles” such as this site, many people of all races are still struggling to balance a sense of compassion, tolerance, and fairness for us, with long-held beliefs, and religiosly endorsed discrimination. Slavery, Jim Crow, and the racial integration of the military were all horrible examples of discrimination that took many years to resolve. How ’bout we initiate more dialog, education, and consensus building with the NAACP, and leave terms like “pathetic” at the door, OK?
Because calling an organization that is 80% plus gay supportive “pathetic”, is well, just pathetic.
Dabq
Is this a trick question or what? The posters here have spewed some of the most virulently racist, anti-black screeds around, so, why would any black person, straight or even gay for that matter speak out for bunch of white men who hate blacks as much as any racist around and have no problem spewing the hate, and, to no one saying its as vile as homophopia.
That said, thank goodness that in the real world, most guys are not racist, but, this site, wow, and, the hate will flow from this thread, which as usual is the intent.
Tallyho2
You want NAACP to support gay rights when this website is so obviously GAY WHITE MALE in ads, pics, everything….so hypocritical.
Jake the libertarian
Where the hell are all of you guys who were calling me a racist last week for saying Black culture is anti-gay? I seem to recall a bunch of people telling me I didn’t know what the hell I was talking about when I said that Black culture had a long way to go in this country with regard to gay rights.
Well it is not racist to speak the truth about something. Black culture is anti-gay. That is why the NAACP has to tip toe around the subject. They are owned by the radical church and a Democratic Party that says exactly the same thing as they are saying right now.
Before all you guys out there start calling me anti-black or a racist or tell me I just don’t get it… I have never discriminated against anyone based on the color of their skin in my whole life. Therefore I don’t have to tip toe around you assholes because it might make you upset. I AM UPSET! The NAACP has never done anything except protest against my people (gays, not whites). They refuse to support anything that won’t be embraced by the churches and their Democrat controllers in Washington. What I have to say to the NAACP is no different than what I have to say to any other anti-gay organization. Get the hell on board or the the flying honkey fuck out of my way… because rights for us are fucking coming.
Larry
“Why Won’t the NAACP Officially Support Gay Marriage?”
Perhaps because many Heterosexual Blacks hate Gays as much as many Heterosexual whites do?
Ask a simple question, get a simple answer.
What other reason WOULD there be?
Tallyho2
is.@Jake the libertarian:
black culture is not anti gay you fool, christian culture is
Awooooo
“Thank you for at least acknowledging NAACP’s correct, GLBT-supportive stance on hate crimes protections, bullying, and against Prop 8.”
lol wait what? the NAACP supports all of these policies and people are still whining? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Wow. I can see why some people think the Gay Rights Movement is full of privileged whiny men. Instead of taking basically everything else, you want to attack them over a single issue that most gay people probably couldn’t care about.
Dennis
@Jake the libertarian:
Uh, I think they’re called the NAACP, not the NAA-GAY-P…why is it their responsiblity to grant you your rights? And did you even read the post detailing their GLBT supportive positions on numerous issues?
Is GLAAD’s main focus supposed to be on how blacks are portrayed in the media? Is HRC supposed to be the main champion for minority rights?
Think you’re going to be called racist on this thread as well…
wondermann
They are not pathetic, this is a deeper matter in the Black community. I agree with Ben, this will take time to deal with and manage. And remember, to most folks…hate crimes and discrimination are bigger issues than marriage. There are other initiatives out there, you know.
HayYall
@Tallyho2: Really? You want to stick with that answer?
Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace
I understand that Mr Obama is addressing the NAACP at an event at the New York Hilton this Thursday.
So both Mr Obama and the NAACP must take a stand against DOMA and DADT.
Marriage licenses are issued by town halls not church halls, so marriage is firstly a civil matter.
And in America, we have freedom of religion, and freedom from religion, too.
So move on and let folks get married.
Sam
Oh WHERE is Alan Brickman when you need him???
DON’T BE JEALOUS, JEALOUS!!!
Jake the libertarian
@Tallyho2:
They aren’t mutually exclusive.
Cam
@Tallyho2: You said “You want NAACP to support gay rights when this website is so obviously GAY WHITE MALE in ads, pics, everything….so hypocritical.”
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Are you insane? Are you actually accusing an organization like NAACP of making decisions about their views on the civil rights of people based upon how many minorities are shown in ads on a gay website? And are you tying support for our civil rights to some sort of quota system of ads run on Queerty?
Funny, I don’t recall in any other time, when groups of people were out trying to support the rights of the downtrodden, that those groups told the downtrodden “Ok, just pay a few minority models to pose in your next swimsuit ad and then we’ll be happy to help you.”
Seriously, you need to wake up to yourself.
Tallyho2
@Cam:
My insanity and queertys isn’t “mutually exclusive”
M Shane
I think that the most important fact to acknowledge here is that there is an overlap in the Black Church , and NAACP ledership. The Black Chuch is definitively against even gay employment. Check the last Southern Baptist set of determinations, re: gays.
My (white) brother has been a leader in his states NAACP and has been forced to exit because he & wife have numerous friends who are gay; the reason is that the church controls everything.
I explained elsewhere how the Civil Rights commission in my own midwestern state commited clear fraud in my chalenge to a firing for being gay. Everyone who runs the organization is Afro-American or female. I have yet to encounter a black leader who does not have a religious orientation,and often a corresponding place in the church.
I know for a fact that there are plenty of lesbians , gay men and transexuals who are black, but are a minority within a minority, because they generally find little acceptance by gay people who nowdays rather than seeking their own liberation and authetication find it far more important to be assimilated into the respectable white boys and girls club.
reluctant commenter
In these race baited threads, it always seems to me that same-sex marriage is portrayed as a frivolous benefit for wealthy white gay men. Marriage confers on a spouse hospital visitation rights, adoption rights, immigration rights, the right to make medical and funeral decisions, the right to information about spouses in the military, etc. These are not frivolous rights, and they aren’t race specific.
It’s also a key element to undoing the large-scale perception of LGBT people as being something seperate and “other”.
I don’t expect the NAACP to spend the money they raise on gay issues; they have their own work to do. But I am disappointed that the NAACP hasn’t taken a principled stand on the issue of full equality, because I know they have an understanding of the power tied to these social systems that divide and classify people.
Jake the libertarian
@Dennis:
Don’t give a shit if you call me a racist. I’m not.
As the NAACP, I am not asking that gays even become part of their platform. I just ask that they not support churches and government officials who are violently ant-gay. They are supporters of some of the great homophobes this country has.
“If the KKK opposes gay marriage, I would ride with them,” Reverend Gregory Daniels, Chicago
“Gays were never called three-fifths human in the Constitution,” he said, and “they did not require the Voting Rights Act to have the right to vote.” — Jesse Jackson
I knows its BS to pull a couple of quotes… but this is the attitude the NAACP has historically supported among its members. As for them being for anti-bullying laws and hate crimes legislation, it is worth mentioning that they basically wrote this legislation when it was for blacks. It would be a bit of a stretch indeed to oppose it when it is for gays.
AlwaysGay
If the NAACP is an organization for black people that means they have to support black LGBT people as well. Although I am glad the president mentioned that those three teens murdered two years ago were gay the NAACP did nothing to help push for tough prosecution of the crimes. Everyone including the mayor and the families wanted to ignore the fact these three black gay people were murdered because they were gay. No hate crime charges were brought.
@Dennis: GLAAD does track the portrayal of non-white people gay and heterosexual on TV.
This talk about if the NAACP or the Congressional Black Caucus supports gay rights that means American black people do as well is false. All racial civil rights legislation was passed by white people. Are you saying 40-50 years ago white people were not racist in general to non-whites? There is a disconnect between the educated/ accomplished and the regular citizenry. The vast majority of heterosexuals regardless of race are against gay people recieving equal rights.
Jake the libertarian
@Jake the libertarian:
Also, Fred Phelps was given awards by the NAACP. Oh yeah, a great organization.
Random Gay Guy
“But Jealous and the NAACP refuse to take a stand on what, to many, is an obvious choice: equality for all is the only option.”
I frankly find this line to be an unfair attack on the NAACP. Have you paid attention to any national polls concerning same sex marriage? Your obvious choice is a highly debated issue. It may be obvious a majority, if not all, of the queerty readers, but outside of the lgbt blogosphere, it isn’t the obvious choice. This line attempts to paint the NAACP as behind the times, in a time where same sex marriage rights are a thing that have not been settled. This was yet another attempt by queerty to create race baiting articles in order to make up for lgbt communities’s shortcomings when it comes to accepting lgbt individuals of color.
Bill Perdue
The NAACP has been a key ally in several fights, including the fight against Prop 8 in California. It’s true that some in the NAACP and SCLC oppose us by not taking a stand for us but they’re just mimicking the open bigotry of Obama, the DNC and the Democratic Congressional misleadership who are, as always, cheered on by more honest bigots in the Republican Party.
There’s nothing wrong with criticizing bigots in Obama’s inner circle of christer homohaters or backsliders in the NAACP and SCLC when they dismiss our struggle for same sex marriage.
They’re just doing what the right wing wants them to do. Widespread homohatred is common among religious cult figures from all sectors of the populace, including African Americans, but the overwhelming bulk of them are Euroamerican protestants, catholics and mormons. It’s a recent development flowing from the bigot pandering of Democrats and Republicans alike. It began in a big way over a decade ago when Bill Clinton championed the passage of DOMA, signing it within hours of its passage and immediately running radio ads boasting about it on redneck christer radio stations. “
Those ads worked. Clinton was reelected in spite of losing union voters because of their anger at NAFTA.
Karl Rove took a page from “Bill Clintons Big Book of Bigotry” and cultivated links with catholic and protestant cult leaders, particularly southern baptists. He created a network of pulpit pimps who traded ‘faith based’ federal bribes for political support for Republicans using same sex marriage as a wedge issue.
In 2008 Joshua Dubois in the Obama campaign and Leah Daughtry in the DNC made a major effort to ‘reach out’ to bigot voters. Inflaming and galvanizing homohating christers was one of the keys to Democratic success from Rev. Donnie McClurkin to Obama’s treacherous words “gawd’s in the mix”. Obama won a big chunk of the cult vote back from the Republicans and torpedoed efforts to defend SSM in California.
The divisiveness was sharpened by the hysterically racist attempt to blame African Americans for Prop 8.
Much of the animosity flows from cult membership and racism. We can offset the work of Karl Rove, Leah Daughtry and Josh Dubois by using every opportunity to support the actions of potential allies in unions, minority communities, the antiwar movement and among environmentalists.
Unlikely as it seems, HRC made a start defending the Jena Six in the face of the disgusting prejudices of renegade racists in our own communities who agreed with David Duke’s analysis, if you can call racist garbage like that an analysis.
Racism and homohating are both woven into US society so we’ll have plenty of opportunities to build bridges and make allies. A case in point is the outrageous hatred against children in PA. This is a perfect time to build some bridges.
It might help repair some of the damage caused by Bush’s Karl Rove and Obama’s Joshua Dubois who try to use religion and bigotry to play divide and rule games. GLBT groups, especially those in the region should issue denunciations of the kind of racism at work here. It’s one of the most insidious kinds of attack because it targets children.
Maybe we can offset some of the damage caused by the ugly racist reactions of some in our communities after Prop 8 passed both inside and outside the GLBT communities.
Dennis
@Jake the libertarian:
Yes, disturbing. But your ‘editorial standards’ are about as fair and balanced as Queerty’s, and by that I mean, a joke.
The award was presented by a LOCAL chapter (not a national endorsement) of the NAACP in 1987, again, in 1987. That would 22 years ago…before his picketing of Matthew Shepard’s funeral, before he did most of the crazy shity that he so rightly is vilified for.
Still, I agree it’s not great news about the gay friendliness of the local Kansas chapter of the NAACP 22 years ago(!!!)…but your bias is loud and clear.
James
Jake,
Dennis does have a point. It is only fair to mention that 22 years ago a local chapter of the NAACP gave Phelps an award. Now that’s screwy of course, but it’s a bit strange you fail to add that point.
but, it's compliated...
How many gays have honestly taken a stand against racism at this point?
Examples are plentiful, whether we consider much of the communities aversion to interracial dating (apparently, declaring that you don’t date black gays or asian gays is a matter of personal preference, beyond repute), the hateful slurs that were thrown the discussion of Prop 8 loss in its early days, or even more pointedly, the fact that the gay rights agenda continues to be so uniformly focused on gay marriage.
The only reason that gay activists are comfortable describing gay marriage as the “last civil rights hurdle” is because of how out of touch they are with the civil rights struggles of minority communities. While white gays are comfortable singing “We shall overcome” and chanting “separate but equal is not equal” when it convenient them, i have yet to see any genuine commitment to working across communities to achieve justice for all.
Ultimately, the failure to stand in solidarity exists on both sides. And while I offer no excuses for the black community’s feetdragging when it comes to setting a broad anti-discrimination agenda, a little intropsection among gays would be appreciated.
M Shane
I repeat this a fair amount, but it seems necessary that we consider the fact that a lot of the discension comes out of the refusal of some gay people to accept the option of Civil Unions which would not stand up as such an assult on the religious ninnies marriage fetishism.
I’m never sure if gay people are just determined to have a religious war so that they can belike mom and dad or if they’re intent on having some rights which they would much more easily get if they didn’twave this red flag; “marriage”.
Personally I think the closer we can move in the direction of getting secular rights , the better off we are. There is no established limitation on what goes with Civil Unions and they have the advantage that you might get them.
schlukitz
So sad that so many do not seem to understand the definition of the word “equality”.
Cam
@Tallyho2: you said “@Cam:
My insanity and queertys isn’t “mutually exclusive”
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LOL!!!!!!! Love that!
reluctant commenter
@M Shane:
First of all, if I’m not mistaken, DOMA has allowed states to pass constitutional amendments to ban any union which resembles a marriage. And many Americans oppose granting any rights to same-sex couples. It’s not a simple matter of name change = success.
Second, I don’t want to be anything like my mother or father. Marriage predates all existing major monotheist religions, so the term “marriage” is not proprietary to them.
Jake the libertarian
@Dennis:
@James:
You are both correct. In 1987 the NAACP presented Fred Phelps, the current leader of Westboro Baptist Church and the owner of GODHATESFAGS.COM, an award.
I appreciate you both reiterating my point.
James
@Jake the libertarian:
Not repeating your point at all and like I said, you seem unable to be fair about this. It was a local chapter that honored Phelps. A local chapter, not the entire organization. And of course you never go into why the chapter gave him the award. Like I said, it’s strange you to omit these facts but fairness is not on your agenda is it? That’s cool if it’s not, but if we can’t be honest about the record why even bother?
James
PS:
Pardon the mistakes. Thanks.
TANK
This is so racist of me.
duttybarb
Okay..my turn,
Why gays keep comparing themselves to the black civil rights movement..maybe one day i will understand but for now..REALLY?
Black religious groups are very annoyed by the comparison btw. They feel that it is nothing short of an outright insult to compare their struggles to what they believe is a perversion. But you already know that..dont you?
NAACP is similar to GLAAD on many levels. But on gay rights, i think we can all agree that’s where the similarity ends. The long and short of it…is they do not want to be affiliated with your fight. I mean it couldn’t be any more clear than that…black people are outspoken when it comes to civil rights yet they are silent when it comes to yours…is it clicking now????
ZurichianMirrors
0. I don’t understand Queerty’s obsession with the antagonistic opinions of blacks. I can understand a Black LGBT blogs focus on it and I can even understand a passing mention. But at Queerty, it is one of the main showcases. Why didn’t Queerty post this as well?
http://www.nbjcoalition.org/news/african-american-leaders-seek.html
You have most, if not all, of the United States’ black organizations lining up behind the late August Provost demanding an investigating and it gets no attention. This is a historic moment in not only gay history of black history as well as LGBT black history.
1. Its unfortunate that most of America’s “chosen people” can’t see the similarities between the black civil rights movement and the gay civil rights movement. And its more unfortunate that by denying full support for gay rights, they deny gay rights for black LGBT people.
2. Jake the Libertarian…you kinda come off as a racist. Reading some of your explainations the first time around, I thought I understood and agreed with you but the more you post the more I realize you have a specific gripe with blacks that can’t be explained by simply bringing up the homophobic nature of many “black churches”. It isn’t all about racially discriminating against people of other races (although thats what people technically do when choosing another race over another for anything including special clubs or dating even, but you just seem to have some kind of need to attack blacks specifically.
Jake the libertarian
@James:
Look, my point was never to equate the NAACP with Fred Phelps. My point is that they are an anti-gay organization. They are anti-gay because they attempt to represent mainstream black culture, which is also anti-gay.
My secondary point is that admitting that modern black culture, including the NAACP is anti-gay does not make me anti-black. I have never discriminated against blacks and no one who knows me has ever accused me of being a racist. Therefore I don’t feel the need to tip toe around the issue with them because I am white. (BTW my parents are Lebanese and in the 1950’s and early 1960’s they couldn’t swim in the white swimming pools either, so if your dad was affected by Jim Crow, then I guess that makes us even).
James
@duttybarb:
Really? So then please explain this list:
“Yes, they are pro-hate crimes legislation for gays. Yes, they are against bullying in schools that targets gay kids. And yes, they are against laws banning same-sex marriage, like Prop 8.”
How is that being silent on gay rights?
Jake the libertarian
@duttybarb:
We are very aware that black religious groups are annoyed by gay comparisons to the civil rights movement. As a matter of fact, they seem to be annoyed by everything gay. Now that I think of it, the “black religious groups” that I am aware of seem to be annoyed by and rather litigious toward anything that isn’t distinctly black and religious.
James
@Jake the libertarian:
If they are anti-gay, please explain this line from Queerty?
“Yes, they are pro-hate crimes legislation for gays. Yes, they are against bullying in schools that targets gay kids. And yes, they are against laws banning same-sex marriage, like Prop 8.”
As for your second point, a few things: black culture is anti-gay? Really? Well I think there are a number of black gay choir directors who might disagree. A fairer statement, which I’m stealing from Keith Boykin, is when it comes to gay stuff too many black people have a “don’t, ask, don’t tell” policy. It’s crazy but it’s no more anti-gay than the larger society.
As for your point about your family, I really have no idea why you are sharing that with me. What does that have to do with our conversation? Did I try to trump you with racial oppression? Did I ever accuse you of being racist? Nope. Said you were not being fair in your description of the NAACP. That’s all. So please play the oppression Olympics with someone who likes that game. I don’t.
James
@Jake the libertarian:
PS: “Look, my point was never to equate the NAACP with Fred Phelps.”
Please! 🙂 Yes it is!!! From the start you have been unable to describe the award Phelps got with any accucracy. Come on it’s easy….a local chapter gave Phelps the award over 20 years ago. Local chapter. 🙂
ZurichianMirrors
@Jake the libertarian:
“Look, my point was never to equate the NAACP with Fred Phelps.”
You’re a liar considering you go on to say this
” My point is that they are an anti-gay organization.”
You’ve yet to prove this assertion. You were given a chance (the Fred Phelps award) and you showed yourself to be a misleader.
“They are anti-gay because they attempt to represent mainstream black culture, which is also anti-gay.”
You’d think this would make sense but it doesn’t. The NAACP is a civil rights organization who’s goal is to protect the civil rights of black people in America. Very little to do with gay rights except the rights of black LGBT people.
BTW: Libertarianism is a sham.
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html
duttybarb
Hmmm..ok..im going to have to answer James for asking the most obvious question …ever?
Is there anyone you have met that has ever openly disapproved rights for gay people to protect them from violence. I do not support gay lifestyle..or believe in it but im human and the idea of an innocent child killing himself because he was harshly bullied and attacked for being gay..is sick. I support pro hate crimes legislation(if it is properly written) for GLBT. I hate reading about how some kids killed another transsexual.I hate hearing of an innocent man being attacked on the street because of his sex life choices. It is sickening. ANYONE with half a conscience will support this. IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE PRO GAY..ITS A CASE OF HATE THE SIN AND LOVE THE SINNER.
Gays are still people who deserve protection and consideration.
At Jake, black religious leaders are not against everything non black and religious however they are known to carry things a tad too far. I dont think u are racist btw.. but get ur facts straIght or shut your mouth
WillBFair
I would guess NAACP doesn’t support marraige because the public doesn’t. They’re selfish about marraige and support domestic partnership instead. It would be nice if the self righteous crowd could get this through their thick skulls. We could have a quick victory and move on to more important issues.
And hysterical posters to the contrary, the black community is not anti gay. A segment from the conservative churches are, just as conservative white churches are against us. Black liberal churches are on our side, but they have to step lightly because of their conservative brothers.
It’s bigoted, and ironic in a gay web site, to blame everyone for the acts of a few.
James
@duttybarb:
Thanks for the question. Why yes there are folk who have no problem with anti-gay violence. If I had a dime everytime I heard some fool say he/she would beat the gay out of his/her child, I would be on some island being served fruity drinks with a boy in shorts and a nice round backside.
My point was only to point out that if you take out marriage, the national NAACP supports many of the things most gay rights organizations are looking for. We should acknowedge that AND do the work to bring the group around on marriage.
PS: for the record, I’m agnsotic on marriage really, but that is neither here nor there.
Sharky
Simmer down everyone
The legal arm of the NAACP, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund
(famous for Brown v. Board of Education, Loving v. Virginia:the interracial marriage case everyone loves to cite, and the Voting Rights Act) is in our corner.
They have filed briefs, petitions and filed a joint lawsuit to stop Prop 8. Check em out
http://www.naacpldf.org/issues.aspx?issue=22
TADPOLICUS WEX
Has everyone overlooked the obvious irony that Benjamin Todd Jealous is a total bear?
No Homophobama
The NAACP has for the most part been more supportive than most political and civil rights organizations. Perhaps they have unintentionally neglected the issue as they as a group are not nor have they been homophobic.
Homophobia in the AA Community is largely tied to religion. Obama used religion to justify his antigay hatred using his famous “god is in the mix” rage against marriage equality. Truly progressive heterosexuals, regardless of race are not homophobic. The NAACP has a core that is truly progressive and not homophobic.
Just my two cents.
StillWaiting
Maybe they forgot how comfortable the back of the bus was?
wondermann
@TADPOLICUS WEX: And he’s cute…sorry, I had to say it.
wondermann
@StillWaiting: Really? DOMA is nowhere near the original civil right struggle. Stop now, your privilege is showing
InExile
@wondermann: Oh, so since DOMA is nowhere near the original civil rights struggle, everyone should just forget it. Don’t worry, Obama will keep his promises, right? Right? Not going very well in that department is it?
TANK
Oh boy. Here we go. The oppression special olympics is off.
StillWaiting
@WONDERANN: So the gays that were burned alive in Auschwitz were privileged? Stop your bullshit…
TANK
The oppression special olympics would be a great skit. Seriously….with a sport commentator in the background describing blow by blow cuts from different oppressed groups being bashed or discriminated against, and the winners tallied at the end of the event….
“Look at ronnie jefferson taking the taze from the racist white cop after being pulled over for in a predominantly white suburb for no other reason than for being black…Aaand he’s getting up! And calling him a pig and spitting in his face–ladies and gentlemen, we haven’t seen such charisma and courage in the face of police brutality since the LA riots. This will truly mark the beginning of an impressive career–fortunately, not the cop’s, as he’s probably going to be suspended without pay pending a department investigation because of this footage…”
“Checking back with John Strathmore who we first saw was off to a nice sprint after being physically and verbally assaulted by a group of five homophobes in front of the Philadelpia Eagle, we see he’s still being chased. You can run, but you can’t hide, Johnny! We see a group of pedestrians doing nothing to assist him while being chased as epithets are being screamed at him at the top of their lungs. Rarely do you see such a display of collected athleticism when confronted with the prospect of a vicious beating for being gay. Certainly one of the finest long distance gay bashing sprinters we’ve seen in quite some time.”
Movement Guy
This is really unfair to both the NAACP and the LGBT movement. I don’t understand why Queerty continually needs to slam every person and organization that tries to advance our civil rights. I’m no HRC lover, though they have their place, but this is the limit. Julian Bond and the NAACP have shown amazing leadership on LGBT issues, as noted. Many African-Americans are deeply religious and organize their lives around the church. Still, Bond and the NAACP are working to move the needle on same-sex marriage. And many individual NAACP chapters (like California) do support marriage equality. Getting that accepted at the national level is both an educational and procedural issue.
How about giving them credit for all the hard work they’ve done, instead of slamming them for how far they have left to go. For those interested in actually knowing what Bond had to say about this issue, check out this video:
Movement Guy
Oops. Video didn’t work. Here’s a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amHaQBevtdc&feature=player_profilepage
jason
The NAACP is a heterosexual boys’ club. Nuff said.
Forrest
@duttybarb: If you dissaprove of us then why the hell do you live on this site 24/7? GO AWAY
jimsteele2008
The NAACP does a fine job of fighting for the civil rights of all people. However, just like LGBT organizations, there are many different opinions from chapter to chapter. Julian Bond and the NAACP are strong supporters of LGBT civil rights. This article is misleading.
Me
“I don’t understand why Queerty continually needs to slam every person and organization that tries to advance our civil rights.”
Because that gets people so upset that they write in, which increases the number of hits and keeps advertisers from abandoning the site.
Random Gay Guy
@StillWaiting:
I don’t think that making racist remarks and then trying to make it seemed if one group suffered more than the other is the way to go. I really doubt that you will take any of this in because frankly I think that you are either a racist, very stupid, or both. No one ever equates struggles of minorities. Each struggle was different and has its own place in history. You can’t go around saying that because this happened to you, you have to do this. That is not going to get you taken seriously whatsoever. I really think a lot of posters don’t understand what they are saying when they post on these forums. Homophobia is not unique to any one community. The NAACP has been on our side for a lot of important fights, but we are so quick to cast them away because they have not released a position on same-sex marriage. That is frankly bullshit. If anything, be thankful that they supported us with the other battles.
hephaestion
Why should the NAACP have a policy on gay maariage? Our marriage rights have nothing to do with their mission as an organization. Should the HRC have a policy on black issues? No. That’s not the HRC’s mission. Why should we try to force organizations to take a stand on something that is not that organization’s mission??
Just be thankful for folks like Julian Bond and hope we can all be supportive of each other. But as individuals. Not as organizations.
TikiHead
@M Shane:
“I repeat this a fair amount, but it seems necessary that we consider the fact that a lot of the discension comes out of the refusal of some gay people to accept the option of Civil Unions which would not stand up as such an assult on the religious ninnies marriage fetishism.”
Which, of course, explains the huge outcry against atheist marriage.
DeAnimator
Ring ring. Oh hey, 1960s civil rights movement? Yes, I’m good- you? Oh really? You wanted to say its the same fuckin thing that’s going on now? Oh and the persecution of Jews? Oh and Muslims during the middle ages? OH and Christians? And pagans…yeah…no I know. I’ll tell them.
Seriously though, these uneducated idiots (of ALL races) need to read a history book.
cheeseandcrackers
marriage? fucking sellouts…..you all want the pink picket fences eh? marriage isnt equality..for a lot of WOMEN in this world..its slavery…now you WAKE UP…
NO TO MARRIAGE!!!
YES TO UNIVERSAL SODOMY LOL LOL LOL
Stef
@Dabq:
And you’re going to sit there and tell me the NAACP hasn’t produced it’s fair share of racist bullshit in the last few years?
Here’s a little fun fact about the NAACP-
My ex boyfriend was falsely accused of gang raping a stripper back in 2006. The NAACP didn’t even want him to have a fair trial, they boycotted every right he had, including the concept of innocent until proven guilty, and to this day, the NC chapter of the NAACP still has a website with 30 points basically convicting my ex boyfriend of a crime the NC attorney general later came out and said never even happened, let alone did my ex boyfriend participate.
The NAACP never apologized for the digusting hate they spewed toward my ex boyfriend (and other friends for that matter), never copped to the lies they spread and the damage they inflicted on my ex boyfriend and his family, and didn’t even take down the website that basically villifies my ex boyfriend and accuses him of things that couldn’t have even possibly been true. It taited a potential jury pool if the case HAD gone to trial, relied on lies and false assertions based solely on racist idealogy like all rich white guys must hate and want to rape black girls.
Yeah, somehow I’m not surprised the NAACP hasn’t stepped up to the plate and addressed the needs of the LGBT community, both black and white. Something tells me they have a bit of trouble correcting false information they tend to support, even when it’s proven ENTIRELY WRONG AND BIGGOTED.
DelphKC
Why in the world would anyone think that just because you are black you should support gay marriage??? It’s like apples and oranges!
Moreover, if the comparison MUST be made, it’s not like our asses are being segregated to even KIND OF the same degree that African Americans had to suffer through. We don’t have 500 years of gay slavery in our past that must be atoned for. We’re not being rounded up by the government, like in the Middle East, and publicly hung as criminals. We’re about as free as free gets by that comparison. I think our asses need to chill the eff out!
James
@Stef:
It would be nice “Stef” if you kept your lies or fantasies to yourself. Please give us the link where the NAACP convicts your former man. He is a Duke student correct? Used to play lacrosse right? And now you “Stef”, are looking for some internet justice for your ex, right!? LOL
getreal
I’m black. I’m straight. I’m a gay rights activist. I applaud Julian Bond for his common sense approach to this issue as he said “Black people of all people should not oppose equality and that is what gay marriage is”. I am ashamed of Mr. Jealous and every NAACP member who is not actively supporting full equality for lgbt people. I take issue with straight people of every race and specifically black people who don’t take the state sponsored discrimination of American citizens personally and who do nothing. History will judge anyone who does not join this civil rights movement very badly.
getreal
@DelphKC: It is not a contest of who has suffered more. Discrimination is wrong and withheld civil rights are wrong. As a black person I’m really embarrassed and angry every-time I hear people using my people’s history of oppression in this country as some kind of back door way to minimize the discrimination of lgbt people. So gay people weren’t slaves in this country so what! They do not deserve their civil rights any less because they don’t have an identical cultural history as black people and the argument is absurd and insulting to gay people and black people.
shadow_man
Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don’t choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological.
http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/03/differential-brain-activation.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html
Gay, Straight Men’s Brain Responses Differ
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html
http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/06/16/172/
There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. “Nurture” may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological.
Why is this significant? Because this proves that homophobia and discrimination against homosexuals is exactly the same as racism. You are discriminating against a group based on something they can’t change. If you are against gay marriage, and preach homophobia, bigotry, and discrimination, you are equivalent to the racists of the 1960’s. That’s the truth.
Rowen
@DelphKC: You’re right. We didn’t have to go through 500 years of slavery. We only had to suffer being outlawed, hung, burned at the stake, rounded up and put into gas chambers, living our entire lives as a lie only to cheat on our spouses because we got married just to fit in, had our bars raided by police with large clubs, been teased, taunted and battered both at a young age for being suspected of being gay and at an older age just for being gay.
I’m sure that as Matthew Shepard lay dying of exhaustion, his thoughts were more a long the lines of “Well, at least I can’t call this discrimination because it wasn’t motivated by hundreds of years of racial slavery that ended 150 years ago.”
fadavidb
I am a gay white man of 40, who has always dated, and loved black men (with a few latinos thrown into the mix!) Currently single, but casually dating a wonderful, beautiful, sexy as hell, QUALITY black man; I haven’t had a serious relationship with a white man since 1992. That being said, can anyone out there help me to understand better why (it seems to me) that it is so difficult, and rare for black men in america to be “out”. Also based on the comments on this site, and in other media, the NAACP and other institutions within the “organized” black community seem to be anti-gay, or if not anti-gay their support is somewhat less than enthusiastic. Please address this (phenomenon?) in this forum. From my point of view these FINE black brothers need to come out!!! Why everyone is with they women, but sneakin with they men? Or, they aren’t with any women, but they DO keep their gayness and gay relationships secret! I am the son of a conservative christian minister, grew up in the south in a small town, now living in Chicago, and faced MANY challenges to coming out. Still do! It’s so very difficult to have a healthy relationship when your man is lying to everybody about it. It hurts when he tells others that y’all R just friends, or introduces you to others as his “friend”. Okay, sorry, I got off topic for a minute. Thanks!
Jake the libertarian
@James:
The reason I brought up my family is because I have been down this road many times before. I know you didn’t call me a a racist, but I felt the need to throw it out there for anyone who wanted to tell me I don’t understand the plight of the modern black man because I am a white guy. I feel like I have a good understanding of it.
On to the most important point. While I am aware that there are a huge amount of gay and gay supportive black individuals, that does not mean that Black culture is gay affirming. It is not. To deny that is to simply not be honest with yourself because of some misplaced feeling of guilt. One which, although I don’t know you, is most certainly not warranted. I invite you to form any kind of gay event in a traditionally black part of most towns. I definitely don’t recommend walking down the street holding your boyfriends hand in the black part of my town unless you like hearing the word faggot and are a good fighter. Modern black culture is anti gay. This is especially true of the religious black culture. The NAACP could not be more beholden to the black church.
Also, about that whole Fred Phelps thing. You are so right. I don’t know what I was thinking bringing up the fact that in 1987 in Kansas City (not 1963 in Selma btw) the local chapter of the NAACP gave Fred Phelps an award. He was, and apparently remains an NAACP endorsed activist. I am the dishonest one for bringing that up. It has no place in the debate as to whether the NAACP is anti-gay. I mean, I am sure that given the opportunity to comment on it now they would distance themselves from Fred’s divisive language while making sure not to piss off this reverend or that one. I mean what an organization does in local chapters does not reflect the national organization, right?
Get off your damn high horse with you ridiculous accusations of dishonesty on my part. I am not the one supporting an anti-gay organization with ties to Fred Phelps and many other violently anti gay people.
RainaWeather
I’m gonna take a guess and say it’s because they’re not a gay rights organization.
jason
Black men can be gorgeous, beautiful, handsome. I have no truck with black men per se but I do resent the black organizations that fail to see prejudice where prejudice exists.
KW
Look, the most important question we all need to be asking ourselves is, “how do we get beyond this?” For black and gay people to point fingers at each other only impedes the advancement of social equality. We’re setting up a vicious cycle here. Some black people look at this website, see primarily white faces in the pictures, and say, “The gay rights agenda is a white thing, so why should we support it?” When black people do that, white gays say, “Blacks are bigoted towards us, so why should we support their issues?” Blacks and gays are all minorities in this country who have been repeatedly kicked in the face by the white, heterosexual, patriarchial power structure. We are BRETHEREN, not enemies! We all need to let go of our prejudices and work together toward a fully-inclusive, equal American society. That means that gays need to support full equality for blacks, and blacks need to support full equality for gays. Period, end of story. Neither community can afford to abandon the other.
Anthony in Nashville
@fadavidb:
I think black men tend to place a higher value on maintaining close ties with their families, churches, frats, childhood friends, etc. than white gay men, that is why it may seem there aren’t as many “out” black gay men.
My experience is that white gays tend to have a “cut them off” attitude towards people who have problems with their sexuality. I think it’s easier for them to do that because they can immerse themselves in mainstream gay culture with relatively few problems and construct their own alternative “family.”
It’s not as easy if you’re not white. That is a separate conversation, but it’s one factor that should be considered when asking “where are all the black people?!”
getreal
@Jake the libertarian: At that time Fred Phelps was a civil rights attorney and had not begun his reign of terror as a God hates F*gs leader. It is also incorrect to state that he is still endorsed by the NAACP that is simply not true.The truth is disturbing enough on this issue there is no need to embellish.
schlukitz
@DelphKC:
Why in the world would anyone think that just because you are black you should support gay marriage???
Why in the world would anyone think that just because you are gay you should support interracial marriage or the right of blacks to vote?
We did, you know?? Crack a history book, for crying out loud.
Every heard of Bayard Ruskin? He was black…and gay!
schlukitz
@DelphKC:
Why in the world would anyone think that just because you are black you should support gay marriage???
Why in the world would anyone think that just because you are gay you should support interracial marriage or black civil rights?
We did, you know. Try cracking history book, for crying out loud.
Every heard of Bayard Ruskin? He was black…and gay!
schlukitz
Sorry for the double post. Don’t know how that happened.
Jake the libertarian
@getreal:
Fred was virulently anti-gay in the 1987 and was disbarred by the Kansas State bar shortly thereafter. I have found nothing about the NAACP ever saying anything about Freddy since they gave him an award in 1987.
I never claimed that the NAACP supports GodHatesFags.com. I am sure they don’t. My point was that the NAACP is not a gay-friendly organization, despite their several positions on certain pro-gay issues. One piece of evidence is that they ally with very homophobic people to include radical black preachers and radical white preachers. One of the white ones was Fred Phelps.
schlukitz
@RainaWeather:
I’m gonna take a guess and say it’s because they’re not a gay rights organization.
I see. And using your brilliant rationale, we would then have to conclude that the HRC has no need to include black people in it’s advancement of civil-rights since they are not a black rights organization.
Next!
Jake the libertarian
@Jake the libertarian:
Upon further quick google search, Fred was disbarred from Kansas in 1979 (8 years before he got his NAACP award). He was then banned from federal courts in in 1989 (2 years after his NAACP award).
James
@Jake the libertarian:
You are really full of dog doo. You accuse me of being on a high-horse, but then you write this crap:
“To deny that is to simply not be honest with yourself because of some misplaced feeling of guilt.”
So to disagree with you about your assesment of black culture is to have a fit of the guilts. But I’m on my high-horse. Mmmmmm. Okay. Sure if you insist.
And while we are talking about high-horses, the least you could do is fairly translate my point. You, being the dishonest man you are, keep asserting the NAACP gave Phelps an award. I simply corrected you and said it was the local chapter. Even called it kooky, but you seem unable to read that. As for the NAACP’s anti-gay stance, you forget this line from the Queerty folk:
“Yes, they are pro-hate crimes legislation for gays. Yes, they are against bullying in schools that targets gay kids. And yes, they are against laws banning same-sex marriage, like Prop 8.”
How are these positions anti-gay?
Lastly, you really have no idea how I feel about the NAACP, but unlike you I feel it’s fair to be precise in a political argument.
PS: This is the funniest line you’ve written thus far:
“I know you didn’t call me a a racist, but I felt the need to throw it out there for anyone who wanted to tell me I don’t understand the plight of the modern black man because I am a white guy. ”
So even though it wasn’t part of the conversation and wasn’t brought up by me, you felt a need to get it out there? 🙂
DelphKC
@schlukitz: I think my argument stands up pretty well, thank you.
Jake the libertarian
@James:
No, I agree with you. The NAACP is pro-gay because they were not so hypocritical as to oppose the anti-bullying and hate crimes legislation they wrote for blacks but is now being expanded to include gays.
The NAACP is pro-gay because they have a huge amount of membership from the black religious community who are ever so gay affirming and open minded toward outside cultures and points of view.
I am full of “dog poo” because I mentioned the idea that guilt plays a part in the gay community not demanding from the black community what they demand from the white community.
And then there is this terrible point I made about Phelps. Look, I am sorry it is inconvenient for the NAACP (KC local chapter) that they gave and award to Fred Phelps in 1987, 8 years after he was disbarred from the Kansas State bar and well after his rise to insanity. But they did it.
James
@Jake the libertarian:
Jake,
Reading is not your strength is it? You are full of crap because you throw out the high-horse charge when you ENJOY horses and height your own self.
And I will repeat this line: “It is only fair to mention that 22 years ago a local chapter of the NAACP gave Phelps an award. Now that’s screwy of course, but it’s a bit strange you fail to add that point.”
But for you to remember that line means you can’t write this silliness:
Look, I am sorry it is inconvenient for the NAACP (KC local chapter) that they gave and award to Fred Phelps in 1987, 8 years after he was disbarred from the Kansas State bar and well after his rise to insanity. But they did it.”
No one has denied that. Someone even called it “screwy”, but your high horse act only works when everyone has guilt and you are the sole truth teller. Thats a cute act in high-school. Now it’s just tired. And annoying.
Thanks for the conversation. Been fun.
schlukitz
@DelphKC:
@schlukitz: I think my argument stands up pretty well, thank you.
Yeah. Like a lump of shit, under a shower!
Jake the libertarian
@James:
Actually James, my “high horse” comment applies to your holier than thou, everyone is a moron but me attitude. The fact that you didn’t grasp that is a little disturbing…
And kudos to you for mentioning yesterday that it was screwy that Fred was given the award! I read it. However that comment was never in reference to you, you arrogant tit. It was for Dennis, who BTW was claiming some things you were not.
wondermann
@StillWaiting: That makes no sense! You are linking DOMA to the Holocaust? Are you draft? Or in Night School?
James
@Jake the libertarian:
“Actually James, my “high horse” comment applies to your holier than thou, everyone is a moron but me attitude. The fact that you didn’t grasp that is a little disturbing… ”
This is the second funniest line you’ve written! This coming from a guy who feels aneed to share his family’s struggles when no one asked! This coming from a guy who said to disagree with him about black culture means you suffer from guilt! LOL. You are a funny man. And it’s who has convinced yourself that to disagree with “THE JAKE” is to be a moron.
It’s been fun, Jake man. Best of luck to you and yours!
James
@James:
“And it’s who has convinced yourself that to disagree with “THE JAKE” is to be a moron.”
This line is missing a you. Sorry for the confusion!
Hugs to all. Even THE JAKE!
RM
@Awooooo:
There’s nothing in the post or interview that implies that Latino and Jewish groups should not be pressured to support marriage equality. You raise a valid point, but it’s tangential to the discussion of the NAACP’s position.
By the way, I know that the Anti Defamation League, though focused on Jewish issues, takes a very broad perspective on civil rights, including support for same-sex marriage.
Jake the libertarian
@James:
You might be the most ridiculously arrogant ass I have come across yet. Talking to you is like talking to a brick fucking wall. “Oh no! You said something that wasn’t intellectually honest in my opinion! Let’s attempt to belittle you and pray people think I am smart.” You ARE a fucking moron. Not because you disagree with me, but for a multitude of other reasons.
P.S. Mets suck.
James
@Jake the libertarian:
“Mets suck.”
Completely and utterly uncalled for. This makes you the ninny I always assumed you were.
As for the other stuff, well you know that line about stones and glass condos.
Kisses and all the best
James
RainaWeather
@schlukitz: I’m not making a judgment on who should be included in any organization. But it was s simple question and has a simple answer. I believe they SHOULD support gay marriage, but I don’t particularly find it strange that they don’t.
TomTom
@Tallyho2: Ah, whatever you gay white men kill me.
The NAACP was founded by whites.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
This is a racist organization. It’s should be the NAAPC!
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
IT not It’s
Charles
Sometimes, I ask God why did he make white people to have all the pleasures in life on this earth and blacks are treated or seen as being inferior. As I look at many of these white gay men in gentrified Washington, D.C., most walk around as if they don’t have a care in the world and life is a paradise for them. Most want even say hi to you in the supermarket, after you speak to them. This causes me to hate all white people. I hope white people will burn in hell for their treating or seeing blacks as non human. If you are a white or light skin Hispanic with straight hair or curly hair, you are accepted by white heterosexuals and gays.
Interracial marriage back during Jim Crowism was between a man and woman, not Steve and John. Why do people always compare interracial marriage to a black human being and a white human being? Isn’t interracial marriage an Asian and white, Asian and black, Mexican and white, Mexican and black, Cuban and white, Cuban and black, Puerto Rican and white, Puerto Rican and black?
The white male is not one person; it is an organized syndicate of North American media outlets such as white gay owned newspapers, magazines, celebrities, and white gay political organizations. It is a chilling reminder and warning to black gays and straights about the “influence”, “racism”, and “hypocrisy” of the white gay male. Is there homophobia in the black community? Yes it does exist. Is there racism in the white gay community the answer is a resounding yes and it is very real and ugly.
The white gay male doesn’t understand that some black people do not view them as a “minority”. Some blacks just see the “white gays” as an alternative version of the mainstream white society. Some white gays have claimed they have “similarities” to blacks because they also encounter discrimination. It is true some white gays encounter discrimination due to their sexual orientation. However, in society you simply cannot compare the struggles of the white gay community to that of the black race. Blacks and other people of color encounter more discrimination given the fact, white gays still have their “whiteness”. White gays are still a part of the white majority they have white skin privilege. White homosexuals also have the support of the liberal white media that can also be anti black.
schlukitz
@ 105 Charles:
However, in society you simply cannot compare the struggles of the white gay community to that of the black race.
Yes. We whites realize that this is the mantra of a good many black LGBT people.
Julian Bond would disagree with you very strongly on that, however.
But thank you, nevertheless, for justifying your racism and hatred for whites. Your “honesty” is most refreshing.
No doubt, you were one of the people who voted Yes on Prop 8.
Charles
Schlukitz, hey idiot how could I vote of Prop 8 and I live in Washington, D.C.? D.C. At-Large racist white gay David Catania is pushing gay marriage in D.C. and he has proposed legislation. Catania is a former Republican, but he fell out with George Bush over the gay marriage issue and switched to become an Independent. Read the attached article below on how most white gay men don’t find black men attractive. For the record, Julian Bond is a half white mullato. You see light skin Negroes like him back in his day discriminated against brown or dark skin Negroes like me. Benjamin Jealous is another half white high yellow Negro. You see, you racist whites will accept anything that looks darn near white like yourselves. You will accept white or light skin Hispanics to date over blacks and most white or light skin gay Hispanic men prefer white men. The same goes for Asians. Yes I am bitter, I hate all white men gay and straight and you white God for giving you privileges on earth.
http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/07/13/black-men-least-desirable-sexual-partners-study/comment-page-1/#comment-2366
schlukitz
Boy. You are a regular button-pusher, aren’t you?
From your link:
Black gay men are least desired sexual partners: study
So what does that prove?
Straight men (of both colors) don’t want to go to bed with me either.
I should lose sleep over that?
Guess you never head the old saw “Birds of a feather, flock together”
Julio
Being gay is very depressing and stressful if you are black, but having to deal with white boys who look like Alex O’Loughlin reject you is overwhelming David. I look forward to my death. I ask God, why did he create blacks to be ugly, with nappy hair, and Negroid features? Light skin black men who look almost white or Hispanic are seen as attractive by most white gay men. As a former student at Georgetown University here in Washington, D.C., I knew I was gay, because I was attracted to white male students or the white Puerto Rican/Hispanic students. Yes, the majority of Hispanics at Georgetown, Catholic, American, and George Washington Universities are white and come from mostly affluent families in their countries. White gay men can never compare their plight to that of black people, because being born of the Caucasian race in the United States give one privileges.
Schlukitz, I am on the gay website Adam4Adam in Washington, D.C. You should read many of the white gay men comments; they are not into black men. The one’s who say they are into Hispanic men, when they met me, they say, you are black. Hispanic is not a race of people. Hispanics can be of any race. Depression is a difficult illness to deal with in this society cause by being gay and cannot come out or be accepted by family, Puerto Ricans/Hispanics, or blacks. Our culture is different than that of white gay males. White gay males can shut their families out if they don’t accept them and be accepted in the mostly white gay community. Non white gay men cannot get this type of support. I can assure you, if I had a white male like Alex O’Loughlin or a white Puerto Rican like Carlos Ponce, I would be the happiest black Hispanic man on earth. lol Schlukitz, please review sites listed below of Carlos Ponce and Alex O’Loughlin.
http://www.carlosponce.com/
http://hubpages.com/hub/Alex-OLoughlin
StraightbythegraceofGod
As a straight white man that happened to stumble upon this while doing research on the NAACP, I have to ask how someone can compare the difficulties facing homosexuals today, with those of the oppressed blacks that didn’t even have the right to eat or go to the restroom with the rest of society? Correct me if I am wrong, but queers have the same rights as anyone else, other than the fact that they are not allowed to marry…if I am right, and I could be mistaken, then why do y’all feel like you should have the right to marry? Lets say I love my refrigerator, and I do!, and I get groceries out of the fridge that are almost as good to me as sex…should I be able to marry the fridge??? I will admit the example is slightly aloof, but it is no crazier to me than gay marriage is. What comes after gay marriage, beastiality and the right to marry an animal? The line has to be drawn somewhere and I vote against gay marriage entirely
Bill Perdue
Actually, Straightbythegraceofgawd, a stumbling ‘straight white man’ we took a quick vote on it and instead of marrying a refrigerator we think you should marry one of those dicing, slicing, shredding blender thingies.
Let us know how your honeymoon comes out.
1EqualityUSA
Bill Perdue, Love that one. I couldn’t think of anything obnoxious enough to counter that tired old banter. This is a new comer to the gay debate. Was he in prison, or just Florida?
Bill Perdue
1EqualityUSA – Just some lonely priest in a prison somewhere dreaming about altar boy butt.
schlukitz
@ no. 10 – straightbythegrace ofgod
What comes after gay marriage, beastiality and the right to marry an animal?
Umm…maybe marrying a refrigerator? Chilling thought, however.
You left out the best…incest.
Oh, and btw, have you heard about spell check. Look into it.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bestiality
Then again, good ‘ole redneck boys driving Chevy pick-up trucks with rusted-out fenders and a 12-gauge, double-barrel shotgun in the rear window don’t worry about mundane things like spellin’, do they?
Finding a gin mill with a cold Bud, is probably more your style, stumble-buddy.
1EqualityUSA
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1EqualityUSA
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“As a straight white man that happened to stumble…”
schlukitz
@ 109 – Julio
I have not been back to this thread since making my last post on October 13th.
While it is not my wish to minimize how you feel, I think that any number of gay people, irregardless of color or race, at one time or another, have gone through the depression that you are experiencing about being gay.
I have read numerous ads on gay meeting sites on the Internet and before that, gay magazines that carried personal ads. And yes, you are right. People can be very cruel as to what they say in them, making heartless, thoughtless and offensive comments like no fats, no fems, no freaks and similar demeaning terms that can really put one off.
My reaction to those kinds of ads has always been, if that is the kind of person hiding behind that ad, why would I even want to know them? Pass ’em by, as the expression goes. They are the ones who will wind-up alone and depressed.
Julio, if I may be so bold as to say so, perhaps the reason you feel so depressed over being gay, is that you may be reaching for something that is the cause of you’re feeling rejected.
Please do not misinterpret what I am saying. I am a white man who has never had any problem whatsoever with black and white relationships and would be the first to celebrate your happiness with a white boy, if that is what you truly want. Go for it, by all means. I am certain that there are lots of white boys out there that would just love to be with you.
What I am trying to say is that perhaps your setting your sights on the likes of someone like Alex-OLoughlin would be akin to me setting my sights on Taylor Lautner. Both are unobtainable and no amount of wishing or day-dreaming is going change that.
Perhaps you would be more successful in finding a compatible partner, white or black, would be to take a closer look at the people around you with whom you have more in common with respect to likes and dislikes, things to share, places to go, etc.
Like the old expression goes, sometimes we do not see the tree for the forest.
Good luck to you in your search for happiness.
schlukitz
Dang. My tang got tungled. Have another Bud, Schlukitz. LOL
Can we turn that around? What I meant to say was “…sometimes we do not see the forest for the tree.”
I am reminded of the line from one of Ben Stiller’s stand-up comedy routines.
“I love the feel of leather and the smell of boots. Or, is it the other way around?”
schlukitz
@ no. 110 – SBTGOG
but queers have the same rights as anyone else
Umm…it’s Mister Queer, to the likes of you. We may have reclaimed that word, but it’s for our own private use like the word blacks like to use to banter about amongst themselves.
Tell me, what was the reaction of the NAACP when you introduced yourself on that site using the pejorative “N” word?
That must have been a hoot.