As you, my fans, know I’m scheduled to play in Greensboro, North Carolina this Sunday. As we also know, North Carolina has just passed HB2, which the media are referring to as the “bathroom” law. HB2 — known officially as the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act — dictates which bathrooms transgender people are permitted to use. Just as important, the law also attacks the rights of LGBT citizens to sue when their human rights are violated in the workplace. No other group of North Carolinians faces such a burden. To my mind, it’s an attempt by people who cannot stand the progress our country has made in recognizing the human rights of all of our citizens to overturn that progress. Right now, there are many groups, businesses, and individuals in North Carolina working to oppose and overcome these negative developments. Taking all of this into account, I feel that this is a time for me and the band to show solidarity for those freedom fighters. As a result, and with deepest apologies to our dedicated fans in Greensboro, we have canceled our show scheduled for Sunday, April 10th. Some things are more important than a rock show and this fight against prejudice and bigotry — which is happening as I write — is one of them. It is the strongest means I have for raising my voice in opposition to those who continue to push us backwards instead of forwards.”Bruce Springsteen, in a note posted to his official Facebook page to notify fans he won’t perform in North Carolina due to the law signed by Gov. Pat McCrory that restricts protections for LGBT peoplein quotes
Bruce Springsteen Again Proves He’s The Boss, Cancels N. Carolina Show Over LGBT Discrimination
As you, my fans, know I’m scheduled to play in Greensboro, North Carolina this Sunday. As we also know, North Carolina has just passed HB2, which the media are referring to as the “bathroom” law. HB2 — known officially as the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act — dictates which bathrooms transgender people are permitted to use. Just as important, the law also attacks the rights of LGBT citizens to sue when their human rights are violated in the workplace. No other group of North Carolinians faces such a burden. To my mind, it’s an attempt by people who cannot stand the progress our country has made in recognizing the human rights of all of our citizens to overturn that progress. Right now, there are many groups, businesses, and individuals in North Carolina working to oppose and overcome these negative developments. Taking all of this into account, I feel that this is a time for me and the band to show solidarity for those freedom fighters. As a result, and with deepest apologies to our dedicated fans in Greensboro, we have canceled our show scheduled for Sunday, April 10th. Some things are more important than a rock show and this fight against prejudice and bigotry — which is happening as I write — is one of them. It is the strongest means I have for raising my voice in opposition to those who continue to push us backwards instead of forwards.”Bruce Springsteen, in a note posted to his official Facebook page to notify fans he won’t perform in North Carolina due to the law signed by Gov. Pat McCrory that restricts protections for LGBT peopleHelp make sure LGBTQ+ stories are being told...
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Lawrence M Doane
gots to love you some Bruceâ?¼ï¸ #YAAASSS
Tim Winfred
I’m down with this new wave of artists and companies boycotting North Carolina and Mississippi over their backwards ass anti-LGBTQ laws… I’ve been unintentionally boycotting them my whole life anyways! 😛
Hogwasher
Too bad we don’t have more musicians with balls the size of Bruce Springsteen’s and less musical hacks like diaper wearing Ted Nugent.
Rick Zalez
Good for him…way to go Bruce…
David O Brien
Now that’s a real man
Michael Paul
Agree, Patti I am sorry but I want your man. Hot.
Brian
Bruce seems to have taken a stand against the homosexual discrimination inherent in the North Carolina law. I agree with him and I applaud him on this.
However, this is quite distinct from the reasonable aspect of the North Carolina, the one which prevents men entering restrooms designated for females, as well as females entering restrooms designated for males. On that issues, I totally agree with the North Carolina law.
It’s interesting, too, how Bruce is not really an icon of the gay community. And, yet, he’s the one prepared to take a stand against homosexual discrimination. Now let’s look at Beyonce, Madonna, Britney Spears etc. These “icons” of the gay community have – to my knowledge – not taken a stand such as this against North Carolina.
Still think these women are worthy of icon status, eh?
Manknee Aeizona
Brian
@Hogwasher: And don’t forget Beyonce, Rihanna, Britney, Madonna etc etc. I’d like to see how these “icons” of the gay community are going to approach touring in North Carolina.
john.k
@Brian: I’ve seen a lot of pictures recently of men who used to be women. Some of them are quite muscular and have beards etc. I would imagine women would be much more uncomfortable with them in the women’s toilets than with women who used to be men.
Robert Major
And that’s why they call him The Boss.
Michael Paul
I thought they called him the Boss because…errr never mind 🙂
Will Glitzern
Lordy, he’s looking good
joeyty
@Brian: Yup. It’s ironic that a performer like Springsteen, who gay men will generally despise, turns out to be someone taking a stand.
Jack Gearing
Great!
Desmond James
Brilliant 🙂
Rimminit
@joeyty: you’re an idiot for saying most gay men hate the boss
Brian
I agree with Bruce´s concern about the aspect of the North Carolina law which enables discrimination against people whose sexuality is essentially a private issue. The state should not enable discrimination against law-abiding private behavior.
On the other hand, I disagree with Bruce´s concern about the transgender bathroom issue. It´s a public issue. The state has a right to ensure that the safety of the sexes is assured in public facilities.
joeyty
@Rimminit: I’m accurate. They say he’s too New Jersey.
Lucie Ogilvie
Good man
joeyty
@Rimminit: Actually, now I remember it was basically the gay Manhattan crowd that used to reference, with contempt, the “budweiser Bruce Springsteen Jersey shore crowd”. So…which of the guys in your photo is the ignorant one ?
GC1985
@Brian: You are so full of sh*t.
Please stop embarrassing yourself on here with these tirades. I actually like Springsteen. Oh and several female artists have taken a stand against these hate bills. Go resign yourself to the homophobe brownnosing you do all the time. Most of us here don’t like your ignorant pontifications and vapid ranting.
GC1985
@joeyty: You prove you know next to nothing. Maybe you should stick with spouting about how gay men should get beaten with golf clubs if they are “too gay”?
Nobody likes a self hating liar.
1EqualityUSA
Mr. Springsteen, thanks for your support.
GC1985, I didn’t think it possible that I would ever feel sorry for Brian. Wow. Mean-o-meter in the red.
Timothy Warner
Best thing you have ever done, Bruce!
Sluggo2007
Nobody wants to go to North Carolina or Mississippi anyway. How stupid these politicians are though. All they’re doing is shooting themselves in the foot (not to mention the wallet). I had a supervisor from North Carolina once. Dumbest bitch I ever met. Everything was about religion with her. She must have been related to the manager. That’s the only reason I can see her being promoted to Supervisor. She certainly didn’t do it on brain power.
Maritz Olivier
Yaaaaaaas!!!!!ð???ð?¼ð??ð?¼ð???ð?¼ð??ð?¼
1EqualityUSA
So, when Paul Ryan steps out of the shadows and becomes the GOP replacement to Cruz (ugh) and Bern goes Independent because his ego got tugged, splitting the Democratic Party in a Ralph Naderesque way, we will have four Scaliators on the bench. There goes Unions, the rights of women, equality, and voter protections. Ryan’s even using the ol’ “I’m a uniter, not a divider” B.S. Keeping this under wraps allows Ryan in without having months and months of vetting process complicating life for him. Koch brothers are buying elections and Senate seats. Scary. Get out and vote to counter the cheating that GOP does. This is scary. I hope Bern doesn’t go Ralph Nader on us. I don’t trust him. He’s an Independent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbgHsSCWzjQ
onthemark
@1EqualityUSA: I don’t see Bernie going that far, fortunately. And why are you assuming that Drumpf loses the nomination? (You don’t even mention him. He will win New York, YUGE. So will Hillary!) It’s still far more likely that the Republicans split, but the Democrats don’t.
@joeyty: Bruce has always been a hero to me. He was lefty-political way back in the Reagan ’80s. Even before that, a bit, if you listen to his early songs. And Bruce was, and still IS, hot! He’s quite an inspiration as a 65 (?) year old guy as to what any of us can do if we actually bother to look after ourselves. That’s not cosmetic stuff, that’s the old-time gym stuff. And also NOT SMOKING CIGARETTES which makes so many GAY guys look 20 to 30 years older than they really are!
dean089
People will blah blah about religious freedom and such, however they need to remember that while you have the right to religious freedom and the right of free speech, nothing says you are exempt from ramifications.
joeyty
@onthemark: He looks very good, yes.
joeyty
@GC1985: “@joeyty: You prove you know next to nothing. Maybe you should stick with spouting about how gay men should get beaten with golf clubs if they are “too gay”?” No, I was saying gay men wish they could see straight men from New Jersey beaten with golf clubs.
Kangol
This is how an ally responds to the kind of homophobia the “conservatives” in North Carolina are promoting. Thank you, Bruce Springsteen!
onthemark
@joeyty: You seem to be off on one of your pointing-out-supposed-liberal-hypocrisy things.
Well, when I lived in NYC my friends & I would JOKE, “Let’s go to Jersey and beat up some straight guys!”
No golf clubs fantasized about. So I’m not sure what you mean. It was a joke, and we didn’t actually do it. By contrast, straight guys from Jersey (especially at the time) often went to NYC specifically to beat up gay guys. They actually DID that, you know, and they still do.
joeyty
@onthemark: No straight guys from NJ go into NYC to beat up gay guys. Every gaybashing in NYC over the past few years has been committed by guys also from NYC.
joeyty
@onthemark: BTW : Not only NJ. Within the gay ghetto of Manhattan I also heard the desire to see heterosexuals from Texas, Florida, Iowa, Long Island, Ireland, Israel and even Brooklyn and Queens come to bad ends too. It’s just that NJ stood out, being right next door, as a place for gays who’d moved to Manhattan to use to pretend they were in a superior setting.
joeyty
@onthemark: And I didn’t say gay men ever had the gumption to actually go to NJ and bash straight guys. (LOL..could you imagine?). I said they wanted to see such things happen, as long as they were committed by others.
onthemark
@joeyty: Did they REALLY want such things to happen? Come on. And even if they did, how could you possibly know that for sure?
WTF. Do you really not comprehend where such emotional comments come from? Have you never in your life been f@g-bashed? Why do you ALWAYS take the side of the oppressors, no matter what? For you it’s always, always, always a matter of pointing out excruciatingly minor points of supposed hypocrisy. There is something seriously wrong with you.
Javier Rodriguez
Always has been & will always be A Class Act; love the Boss!
joeyty
@onthemark: I was bashed on the subway and successfully fought them off, but outfits like Gay City News didn’t want to cover it when they found out the race of the attackers. They would have preferred white men wearing confederate flags had attacked me. Anyway, can you point to examples where I take the side of anti-gay oppressors ?
onthemark
@joeyty: I don’t get what you’re trying to prove (if anything?) in this comment thread. Maybe you’ve lost track also.
joeyty
@onthemark: Well…you said I’m “ALWAYS taking the side of the oppressors”, and I don’t know what you’re talking about so I asked for any example of my doing that.
GC1985
@joeyty: You are an uberemotional trainwreck who is way to obsessed with straight men. You suffer from stockholms syndrome I think. You think you are special and so important. You think your views actually matter. You are one sorry excuse of a person with no real self esteem.
joeyty
@GC1985: Nobody’s views on Queerty really matter. Anybody can stop posting here and be forgotten in three days.
GC1985
@joeyty: Then why waste your time? You really are a self depreciating loser.
joeyty
@GC1985: I shouldn’t either.
Wil Chaney
overrated fool. he is a hypocrite looking for attention, just like most “celebrities”
Michael Paul
Jealous are we?
Wil Chaney
no, fed up with people reDing one thing and not realizing that the celebrity is using them. Why the hell would I be jealous of someone I don’t even like? Never have, never will.
Michael Paul
Go Bruce Springsqueen 😉
Brian
@joeyty: It’s sad and tragic when the gay media refuses to publicize black-on-gay crime. It demonstrates that the gay media has been hijacked by political correctness.
joeyty
@Brian: In so many cases, yes. PC is repulsive and dishonest. (And of course I don’t blame all black folk. I also know black gay guys generally go through those attacks more frequently than me. It’s the p.c. white jerks who are the biggest problem).
onthemark
@joeyty: OK, “always” was wrong, that would be impossible to prove. (Although I bet, with an hour of googling, anyone could come up with quite a list of joey-isms.) To go back to your original point, I’ve never met any gay men who “despise” Springsteen. I suppose I’ve met some who are indifferent to him or know next to nothing about him. But if even GC1985 likes Bruce that’s an indication that Bruce is fairly well-liked by gays, if only for his well-known political stands of several decades.
Also I think you’re too pessimistic about that being “forgotten in three days.” (It’s ironic that you would say that to, um, probably THE most memorable poster here, lol.) Some Queerty posters are more memorable than that, including you in my opinion!
1EqualityUSA
Joeyty, The, “us against them” mindset makes for easy compartmentalization? Problem solving may seem easier, if clearly defined enemies are held up for scrutiny? As for memorable posters, untrue too, but if it makes you feel more at ease believing this, have at it. I recalled names easily from the 2008 – 2009 era of Queerty. Some were notorious, others, profound. It captured a time in writing. That is unlike anything done before. Predictions are able to be proven or disproven. That is fun, especially when the Romney-ites were so convinced that he was going to win or the anti-Obama people were spouting off that the SCOTUS would side with bigotry, setting us back for a generations…etc. I’m weird. Prop H8 dragged me out of the shadows, as I had never written a thing anywhere, save emails, comedy, and short stories, until Prop H8 passed. I adore this concept of bouncing ideas off of each other. Fun words like, “schadenfreude” or “flagrant delicto” and “fucktard”are like fruit to me. I like Queerty’s format and the fact that the background isn’t black, which sets my eyes to tingling after one paragraph. Glucklich makes me laugh. Brian makes me cry. hey…
GC1985
@onthemark: I’m more a fan of the Rolling Stones, but Bruce Springsteen was always a liberal. And even Lady Gaga likes him too. Not so many gay people know him, and quite a few here like joey (and his mind numbing joeyisms lol) don’t know anything.
As a general note… Bruce has been quite left wing for decades. Even look at his songs. I don’t expect many to even read lyrics though.
http://hollowverse.com/bruce-springsteen/
But it didn’t take long before The Boss was a major political voice, from c@mpaigning against nuclear power7 to doing a worldwide tour for Amnesty International8 to turning down millions from corporations wanting to use his songs in their advertisements.9
Bruce has also attached his name to various Democrat and liberal organizations and events. In 2004, he endorsed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and lent the Kerry c@mpaign his song, “No Surrender.”10 He supported Obama in 2008 as well, even opening the president’s inaugural celebration concert.11
In social issues, Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of labor unions12 and is an outspoken supporter of gay rights and gay marriage.13
GC1985
@joeyty: PEople like you who talk about PC are the least willing and likely to tackle major problems, like poverty. You’re too busy endorsing ideas that would increase poverty rates. In other words, you’re a liar.
GC1985
@1EqualityUSA: It’s absolutely hilarious that Joeyty is now kissing Brian’s ass, while Brian has been rabidly supporting white homophobic men and thinks all white heterosexual men are actually bisexual wanting him.
If that is not hypocrisy, I don’t know what is.
Joeyty then cries about blacks committing crime, yet fail to discuss real issues like structural and institutional disadvantages African Americans still face to this day.
You guys shouldn’t bother with life failures like Joeyty and Brian. They are an utter waste of time.
1EqualityUSA
Oh, I don’t know, GC1985. I enjoy most everyone here.
Stefano
@GC1985: “…while Brian has been rabidly supporting white homophobic men and thinks all white heterosexual men are actually bisexual wanting him.” Lol Good one ! Love it !
joeyty
@onthemark: I’ve met plenty of gay men who hated Springsteen and knew to despise people from NJ as one of the gay rules. (When NJ is so varied a state! From blueblood mansions to ghettos, and from hilbillies to suburbia).
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: “Joeyty, The, “us against them” mindset makes for easy compartmentalization? Problem solving may seem easier, if clearly defined enemies are held up for scrutiny?” That was, seemingly, always the mindset I had to deal with in the gay ghetto. Granted, a lot of them were still mad about what some Reverend had said to them back in….West Virginia or wherever. But I do think the other side, the homophobes and the like, probably compartmentalize too. And you’re right, at best it doesn’t solve any problems. But at worst it can get very nasty (like the gays I saw cheering the WTC attacks because so many hetero mick firemen were killed, etc; or homophobes who think all gays secretly approved of John Wayne Gacy choosing hetero victims).
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: ” I recalled names easily from the 2008 – 2009 era of Queerty” Which is ridiculous, because you sound like you have a real life off of this site and shouldn’t be dependent on it. But I know it can be addictive.
joeyty
@GC1985: “You guys shouldn’t bother with life failures like Joeyty and Brian” YOU’RE probably “Brian” too, for all I know. People have been caught online playing two roles and talking back and forth to…himselves (?)
joeyty
@GC1985: “Joeyty then cries about blacks committing crime, yet fail to discuss real issues like structural and institutional disadvantages African Americans still face to this day.” So…THAT’S why they sprayed soap in my eyes and tried to gaybash me in a group ! Thanks.
Stefano
@joeyty: It seems that you had bad experiences in (what you call) the “gay ghetto”…? Is this the reason why you come here and make that kind of comments? In some sort of ‘revenge’? Come on Joey ! You can do better than that. I pretty sure you are a good guy but your comments on Queerty are pervade of pessimism and agressivenesse. You are only hurting yourself ! What other people think or do is not important (except if they hurt you directly)…you have to let go !
joeyty
@Stefano: Part of it is revenge, yes. I saw innocent people hurt badly, and that still goes on.
Stefano
@joeyty: “So…THAT’S why they sprayed soap in my eyes and tried to gaybash me in a group ! Thanks” Ok if it is real, you probably need psychological counselling. You must be very anxious when you see a group of black men. Go seek help. And i mean it. It is important for your health Joey.
joeyty
@Stefano: Not anxious at all. In fact, at the gym I go to (boxing) I’m the only white guy there. The only reason I brought up that they were black was to explain why the gay ghetto actually made ME out to be the villain for defending myself.
joeyty
@Stefano: And if anything I hopefully made THEM afraid to attack a white gay next time.
Stefano
@joeyty: i understand exactly what you feel but you are not responsable. You have no control over other people reactions and behaviours. You can only control yourself. Stop hurting yourself.
joeyty
@Stefano: I can be responsible for trying to keep others from getting hurt, though. Basically both people and pets. To only be responsible for myself is rather selfish, don’t you think ?
robho3
Bravo!
Stefano
@joeyty: I thought you where sincere but you only use others. Goodbye.
GC1985
@joeyty: You seem more like Brian. In fact you agreed with him, therefore you are his alias. You are his make believe boyfriend. A self hating self depreciating fool.
.@joeyty: If you were ever bashed, I don’t think it has anything to do with your asserted sexual orientation. You aren’t gay, Brian. Stop lying to us, Brian.
Joeyty = Brian.
GC1985
@joeyty: People aren’t afraid of you because you are a lying coward. That doesn’t have anything with you being straight.
joeyty
@GC1985: Okay, Evita.
GC1985
@joeyty: Whatever you say, Brian. It is no accident you and him are on the same time. Same person.
joeyty
@GC1985: Luckily, if you ever get gaybashed by a minority (which is the usual case here in NYC) you can excuse it as permissable because the bashers live with “structural and institutional disadvantages.”
1EqualityUSA
Boys, you’ve been busy! I went to dear friends, had home-made soup, a Frankie & Gracie fest and petted their lovely cats. My spouse stayed home and had a Call the Midwife fest. One of my kitties is rolling on my shirts. She must be smelling their kitties. Stefano, Joeyty, GC1985, enjoy Queerty Island. Don’t fight..roll around on each others’ comments and sniff each other.
Dogs and cats get along better than queertiers. Good night, sleep tight (ly) adverb not an adjective. Vote for a democrat. Every person there was for Bernie, I’m for Clinton, and we had a great evening. Joeyty I do have a life, but I love talking about politics too. My ma is the same way. My dog walking pack covers politics superficially, but not nearly enough to suffice. Boxing, eh? good work.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: (That’s always pretty amusing when animals go sniffing all over you at the scent of other animals you’d just visited. They get so much news through the nose).
GC1985
@joeyty: @joeyty: When you get bashed by a neonazi skinhead you can pretend he is black, Brian. Most antigay attacks are done by white heterosexual men.
1EqualityUSA
Brian’s his own special kind of bird, almost fictitious, as though made up by hilarious friends and posted for a laugh at the commenters.
onthemark
@joeyty: “(like the gays I saw cheering the WTC attacks because so many hetero mick firemen were killed, etc;…”
Oh really? You SAW that? Like Trump saw Muslims cheering in Jersey City, right?
That doesn’t even make sense, at any level. While 340 or so firefighters died on 9/11 (“mick” or Italian or otherwise), they were still a tiny minority of the 3,000 who died at the site. Plenty of gay people worked in the towers. Every single gay guy I know in NYC knows someone who died on 9/11. You are just making stuff up and you are mentally ill.
I’m starting to doubt that you’ve ever even BEEN to New York! Maybe you saw the movie “Dog Day Afternoon” when you a kid and it severely traumatized you?
onthemark
@1EqualityUSA: Can you keep a secret? Br1an is C@mille P@glia! She is just having some fun with us.
onthemark
@1EqualityUSA: And yes, Queerty’s auto-c e n s o r wouldn’t let that name through. No kidding. Which means maybe it’s not a joke – maybe I’m actually RIGHT about that!
1EqualityUSA
onthemark, I love queerty.
onthemark
@1EqualityUSA: I TRY to take posters like joeyty, Br1an, etc as entertaining “performance artists” although I am thankful (at Thanksgiving and all other times) that I do not know any such bizarre people in real life.
Btw – I’m guessing this is where joeyty USED to work… he answered the phone that day:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/burger-king-employees-were-tricked-212354477.html
It’s all a conspiracy! The pressure, the pressure!
1EqualityUSA
holdthepicklesholdthelettucespecialordersdon’tupsetus…
Love to hang and do nothing, truly, but I need to clean me abode. Enjoy your day, all…..see ing all….
1EqualityUSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJXzkUH72cY
joeyty
@onthemark: “I’m starting to doubt that you’ve ever even BEEN to New York! Maybe you saw the movie “Dog Day Afternoon” when you a kid and it severely traumatized you?” I love “Dog Day Afternoon”. And several times I’ve given out my cell number and said I’d meet anybody here in NYC at any time, and then they change tactics and say, “This isn’t a pickup site!” or “Who would meet a lunatic like you ?” so………(shrugs)
joeyty
@GC1985: “When you get bashed by a neonazi skinhead you can pretend he is black, Brian. Most antigay attacks are done by white heterosexual men.” Okay. But that didn’t happen to me like the otherreal incident, where you excuse the culprits.
joeyty
@onthemark: Mockery of Father Judge, too.
GC1985
@joeyty: The moment you accused me of being Brian… I knew exactly who you are, Brian. Great way to blow your cover.
I don’t believe your fake story about getting bashed either.
Sansacro
@joeyty: “gay men” “despise.” Man, generalize much? I’m gay and I’ve alway been a fan of the Boss. I also listen to 50’s bebop jazz and Frank Sinatra, and 60s and 70s hard rock. We’re all different. Rock on, bro.
joeyty
@Sansacro: Well…where do you live ? You weren’t part of the NYC gay ghetto for sure, which sees itself as “opposed” to NJ shore (that’s different now, with the Asbury Park as a gay enclave thing).
joeyty
@Sansacro: (BTW : Melissa Etheridge does Bruce stuff really well, too)
onthemark
@joeyty: Damn, I totally forgot about your dispute with that… bald in ces tuous Canadian d ou che bag. You’ve done the impossible, joey, now I’m sympathizing with you. A little!
But if ANYTHING you say is true, you certainly seem to “know” a very strange set of NYC gay men. I lived there for years and never met anyone like that. At any rate, many of the gay men I knew in NYC actually grew up there, and some grew up in New Jersey, and some were of (gasp) Irish descent. I never once heard anyone use the word “mick” even facetiously let alone seriously. Where did you hear anyone saying that, on the Third Avenue El in the 1950s?
You always (and yes I’ll stress ALWAYS) write as if these are two mutually exclusive subsets – gays who moved to NYC from elsewhere, and gays who grew up there & nearby – who never, ever intersect or even meet at any point. How is that even possible? Not unreasonably, I and others suspect it’s not possible and you’re making up a lot of this. Or maybe all of it.
onthemark
@joeyty: “Mockery of Father Judge, too.”
By all accounts, Father Judge had a fun sense of humor and had probably heard it all.
But okay, I’ll bite. Mockery LIKE WHAT? What have you heard from those evil awful gays in the gay ghetto? And what, pray tell, did you say in response? I’ll give you some more rope and see what nonsense you come up with.
onthemark
@joeyty: And that’s another problem.
You sure seem to know a lot of these evil awful gay-ghetto “friends” who say these evil awful things. And in response you say… what? Do you laugh nervously and leave? But you come back? Are you afraid to talk back to them? That’s hard to believe since after all, you’re so brave you fought off a whole gang of black homophobes on the subway.
If these gay ghetto guys are so awful, why are you friends with these guys?
And what do you expect US to do about them? (Assuming they’re real.) It’s not our fault you have sucky friends in NYC. Why don’t you just get better friends?
GC1985
@onthemark: What do you expect from Brian.. Aka seeingeyedog, aka joeyty.
He doesn’t actually live in New York. It wouldn’t surprise me if he lived in Missouri or Kentucky.
joeyty
@onthemark: I would usually bite my tongue, and try to excuse it in my own mind. Fighting off blacks on the subway isn’t as brave as standing up to Manhattan gays when you still need to stay on their good side to keep your career going. And I was acceptable (both race and religion-wise to the gay ghetto snots, even though I was a NYC native). But a number of things happened that eventually pushed it too far. A LOT happened with 9-11-2001, and the 2006 Duke lacrosse case (and I blame Andrew Towle and Andrew Humm directly for a helpless dog basically having gasoline poured on it and burned to death…and once you witness something like that…) And, again, if anybody wants to meet me in NYC or anywhere, basically, I’ll give my cell and we can discuss it in person. (And that includes the scumbags Towle and Humm).
joeyty
@GC1985: There’s nothing wrong with living in Mo.or Kentucky (I have good buds in the Lexington scene, even though I don’t ride horses myself). But I live here in NYC, where the gaybashers are always black and (surprisingly) Hispanic.
joeyty
@onthemark: “Why don’t you just get better friends?” I did. But am I not obligedto watrn peeople (especially young guys) about the gay ghetto ? Just to prepare them, anyway? And I’m not even talking bout those who purposelly want to infect others with HIV, I’m just taking the vicious snottery one might have to endure. (You might be good enough to sleep with if you’re Irish, Puerto Rican, Israeli…, but not be good enough to be seen with publicly).
joeyty
@onthemark: Re. Fr. Judge : ” I’ll give you some more rope and see what nonsense you come up with.” Since you ask so impolitely I’m not going to answer that one.
joeyty
@onthemark: And, no, “mick” didn’t disappear in the 1950’s. It’s used as an anti-Irish putdown all the time. Here..I’ll give you a link to Towleroad where the gay ghetto uses it pretty recently…(read the comments)
o.codone
@joeyty: when there is a “gay bashing” in NYC, it’s because of something else like family sh it or drugs or something else. the attorneys want to call it a hate crime b/c it’s much more prosecutable if it is a hate crime. and yeah, the perps are all b l a c k. blacks commit most of the crime in NYC. and chicago.
joeyty
http://www.towleroad.com/2006/04/gay_assault_cas/ Keep in mind that this Finnerty (who is quite handsome today) was cleared of all the charges..the gaybashing one and the rape one, but not before gays basically gave out the evil “mick’s” home address to every psychopath, including admited arsonists, in Durham and NYC. I guess the gays like Towle and Humm wanted maybe even more people and dogs burned to death.//////Next I can link you to two girls falsely-accused of trying to murder ther lesbian friend, and wait til you see what Manhattan gays did to those two..
joeyty
@o.codone: No no no! You’re not allowed to say that !
joeyty
@onthemark:”Damn, I totally forgot about your dispute with that… bald in ces tuous Canadian d ou che bag. You’ve done the impossible, joey, now I’m sympathizing with you. A little!” But he’s not the only one I gave my number to. Another guy in Brooklyn kept insulting me and I gave him my cell and said “let’s hook up” and….that’s when I hear all the excuses they pull to get out of it.. About how I must be crazy and why do I think this is a meetup site, or whatever. But they can’t have it both ways. You either see it through and call me and meet me to see if I show up, or you stop saying I’m not from NYC and accept it. You can’t have it both ways.
joeyty
@onthemark: “lived there for years and never met anyone like that. At any rate, many of the gay men I knew in NYC actually grew up there, and some grew up in New Jersey, and some were of (gasp) Irish descent. I never once heard anyone use the word “mick” even facetiously let alone seriously.” I’ll believe all of that about as far as I could throw you. Any of those mick New York natives still living here…I’d love to meet them.
onthemark
@joeyty: There’s one I email a lot so I’ll ask – I wonder about the “mick” thing and if he’s ever heard it in serious derision, and if so, did it bother him. But I doubt it since he’s never mentioned it in 25+ years. He drinks a lot (& I used to!) so it probably would have come up.
Is it even THAT bad a word? I ask in all seriousness; I was never Catholic and I grew up in Calif. so when I hear “mick” I think first of either Jagger or, um, Mouse.
“Mick” after all is not even auto-censored here, as would be n—-r, or s–c, or k–e, or I assume d–o or g—-a, or a lot of other r@cial & ethnic slurs (or the word r@c 1st for that matter). For such a tough guy maybe you’re just over-sensitive. And yes, everything you say sounds very Damon Runyon / Joseph Mitchell to me. Are you sure you’re not, like, a hundred fuckin’ years old? I hope you don’t get lost looking for Ebbets Field.
What the hell kind of bars do you go to? Maybe that’s the problem.
joeyty
@onthemark: It’s bad and it’s not. People of Irish descent use it all the time for each other. But it’s also used in a hostile way by other ethnicities, mainly the WASP crowd and their variations. The anglophile gay community in NYC has always tried to emulate the WASP blue bloods and quickly learn looking down on Catholics, Irish, Italians, Latinos, NY natives, blue collar, etc…establishes ones own “discerning taste”. I’m answering you generally, and as best as I can, because my conclusions are from being involved with these people for a long period of time, in different situations, etc. There are some variations on all this, of course. Anyway, the ethnic hatred is basically what was the main source of why the deaths of fireman was considered so amusing to the gay Manhattanite transplants (“..100 less alcoholic morons..” stuff like that..) And every young guy (ones who somehow missed those lessons) should be gently warned about that type of stuff…just to be fair, don’t you think ?
joeyty
@onthemark: “What the hell kind of bars do you go to? Maybe that’s the problem.” I’m not talking bars. I’m talking house parties. Both in Manhattan and in the country homes. People in bars don’t speak so freely. As for the word “mick”, it’s a current word, and if you want to pretend the last it was heard was in a James Cagney film, your contact with the modern world must be limited. People even use the word “papist” in Manhattan these days, but that’s to put down all Catholics, not just micks.
joeyty
@onthemark: “For such a tough guy maybe you’re just over-sensitive.” oh..I might be tough, but I hope I basically stay over-sensitive to bullying and the suffering of innocent people and animals.
joeyty
@onthemark: “Is it even THAT bad a word? I ask in all seriousness; I was never Catholic and I grew up in Calif. so” Well…what’s YOUR ethnic background and religion? If you were living in NYC it must have been brought up…with feedback.
GC1985
@joeyty: Um, you don’t live in New York. And how many replies do we need from you? 30? Do you suffer from delusions of grandeur? For someone who doesn’t think this site matters, you sure type a lot of crap.
You don’t live in NYC and you are lying. Most gay bashings across the country (including in major cities like Los Angeles and New York) are committed by heterosexual white men. Liar!
GC1985
@joeyty: Wow. You don’t even know what you’re talking about. You’re just blabbering. That’s the problem. You think you know everything, but you really are clueless. You’re clueless about hate crimes occurring in this country, much like the local drug abuser ocodone.
The loser likes to hear himself talk… or in this case, see himself post. I think that’s how miserable SeeingEyeDog really is.
@joeyty: You don’t know anything about suffering and you basically condone assaults on this site. You want gay people attacked and beaten. This is why you need to be banned immediately from this site.
I strongly urge everyone to start flagging this bigot and every post he makes.
joeyty
@GC1985: LOL. Those dangerous gaybashing white NYC men !
GC1985
@joeyty: You don’t live in NYC. You’re obvious lack of understanding and knowledge show you don’t. Stop lying to us about where you live. You’re not gaining brownie points here. Go try that at the local republican party meetings you go to.
joeyty
@GC1985: Why would I lie about THAT ?
joeyty
Strangely enough, in 2013 there were about twenty gaybashing attacks throughout NYC (including the murder of Mark Carson) and every single one (except one) of the cases involved Hispanic perps. To the extent that it was rumored that bashing a gay now was part of a gang initiation. (I say “strangely enough” because polls always show Hispanics to be equally accepting of gays at least as high as whites rate).
GC1985
@joeyty: And he is making things up again. It goes to show he has no clue about anything.
@joeyty: Every single thing you post is a lie or simply made up. You are a bad liar.
joeyty
@GC1985: Anybody can look that NYC year of 2013 bashings up for themselves. (And you shouldn’t be on here when you’re under the influence and in a fury).
onthemark
@joeyty: Re: the 2013 bashings, yes, there were Hispanics. That happened to me once a long time ago, but I didn’t go off on a permanent r@ce crusade about it.
Re: your snooty WASP-y party crowd: “And every young guy (ones who somehow missed those lessons) should be gently warned about that type of stuff…just to be fair, don’t you think ?” Now you get all Atticus on us! – worrying about the poor, poor gay youth. (So they can grow up and you can bully them here, like he does?) Fuck ’em, let ’em suck c0ck for tattoos, they’re not gonna listen you anyway. LOL. “To be fair?” More like self-aggrandizement. Actually, no I think it’s pretty unlikely they’ll ever get into the situation you describe.
As long as you are out of that situation and you no longer need to deal with that crowd for career reasons, why bother US about them at all? We’re never going to encounter them and neither are any gay youth. In that way you’re more like Brian warning everyone about the evils of “the gay scene.”
GC1985
@joeyty: Under the influence? It seems to me you are constantly on meth or heroin when you post on here. You have to be on some serious drugs. It explains your warped beliefs and delusions.
Anyone can look up this? That is not an argument. You are lying again. You haven’t proved anything. The overwhelming majority of gay bashings are committed by white men. Not Hispanics. Want to find another group to criticize, Donald trump?
1EqualityUSA
joeyty, Bob and weave, jab,jab,jab, uppercut. You comment as you box, verbal boxing. Jab.jab.jab, hook. “Us against them,” jab,jab,jab, gatekeeper. You’re very invested in Hatfield & McCoy-type feuds. Have you ever wondered why that is? When queertiers swirl down into these inane quagmires, it becomes tedious. What do you get out of the “Us against them” mentality? Back when you were “See ing All” the same thing. You used derogatory terms for the Irish then as well. No need to answer. It’s just something that bears noticing. Bruce Springsteen and other businesses are pulling out of North Carolina out of support for us. Your first and second comment drives a wedge between New York and New Jersey. What do you personally achieve by doing this?
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: “What do you get out of the “Us against them” mentality?” I don’t know what the gay community of NYC gets out of the us-versus-them mentality, except maybe assuring themselves of their own quality (hating all the right people, etc). Which is fine if you just want to be …a snot. But not cool when it really causes harm.
joeyty
@GC1985: “The overwhelming majority of gay bashings are committed by white men. Not Hispanics. Want to find another group to criticize, Donald trump?” Not in NYC. The majority of gaybashings are committed by African-Americans. The majority of gay victims are also African-Americans. And if you could read more accrately you’d note I said Hispanics always poll as gay-friendly as whites and that’s why it was surprising they were always the culprits in 2013.
joeyty
@onthemark: ” Re: the 2013 bashings, yes, there were Hispanics. That happened to me once a long time ago, but I didn’t go off on a permanent r@ce crusade about it.” Who went off on a r@ce Crusade? It was just part of my correcting Gian Carlo about the majority of gaybashers in NYC being straight white men like he claims. (You need to read the posts in order).
joeyty
@onthemark: ” Re: the 2013 bashings, yes, there were Hispanics. That happened to me once a long time ago, but I didn’t go off on a permanent r@ce crusade about it.” Some of that is probably true.
joeyty
@joeyty: Whoops ignore that last post.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: “Bruce Springsteen and other businesses are pulling out of North Carolina out of support for us. Your first and second comment drives a wedge between New York and New Jersey. What do you personally achieve by doing this?” That was a response to someone who’d noted that so many gay icons hadn’t made such a supportive move, yet Springsteen (not a gay icon, even disliked by gays as part of an “enemy” culture) had shown support. It did strike me as ironic, and a reminder for gays to always rethink what gay ghetto culture throws at them.
joeyty
@onthemark: “Fuck ’em, let ’em suck c0ck for tattoos, they’re not gonna listen you anyway. LOL. “To be fair?” More like self-aggrandizement. Actually, no I think it’s pretty unlikely they’ll ever get into the situation you describe.” Can’t be too much self-aggrandizement when I’m anonymous here. (But I’ll still hook up with anyone). And why are we posting about our gay experiences at all, then, if it’s all worthless to post on Queerty, give advice as one sees fit, etc. And, don’t forget, I’m not just talking about insults and not hiring people..I’m basically talking about genuine harm to innocent people and animals caused by gay bigotry.
GC1985
@joeyty: You really have no clue what you are talking about and are now making things up. Donald Trump is a compulsive liar, but at least he is from New York. You have never even been to New York. Your lies are too obvious and the way you talk about the city shows you know nothing. I have lived in Los Angeles for a few years and only been to NYC a few times. And only at that level, I know far more than you.
And how many of your stupid posts do you need to make? Seven or eight at a time? For someone who thinks this site is meaningless, you sure post a lot of useless dreck.
GC1985
@joeyty: You tool. Springsteen isn’t anti gay and has been rabidly liberal for years. Most gay people don’t know about him. And no, I don’t know any gay person that has viewed him as a liberal. Actually read his songs and lyrics. They are antiwar, pro-union, pro-environment and so forth. He has been very politically active supporting Democrats for years. Even Lady Gaga is a big fan of him. You don’t know anything. Stop posting trash.
There I will cut myself at two posts. You can stick to your seven or eight one liners and ad hominems.
GC1985
*Correction: I don’t know any gay person that views him as the enemy.
Lol I broke my own promise, but really this is just a revision. So that is 2.5 posts lol.
joeyty
@GC1985: I never said Springsteen is anti-gay. He was pro-gay-marriage from early on, in fact. I said NYC gays considered him part of the contemptible philistine homophobic (in their heads) New Jersey Shore scene. (You really have to calm down and read more slowly).
joeyty
@GC1985: Yeah, but you also believe an Eskimo invented the computer and that the Japanese started Catholicism. (shrugs)
onthemark
@joeyty: “Well…what’s YOUR ethnic background and religion? If you were living in NYC it must have been brought up…with feedback.”
Sorry to overlook your direct question. (Busy day today. Plus you had a bunch of questions!) Almost no “feedback” for the following reasons. Well I LOOK super-duper Irish, as a young man I looked like a fuckin’ leprechaun (& they were always after me lucky charms lol) so I fit right in that way. But in reality my ancestry is mostly various obscure Eastern European stuff. And when New Yorkers learned THAT, they immediately lost interest in that stuff and changed the subject. It doesn’t mean anything there, apparently.(It seemed to have some significance in Chicago, a place I kind of like but haven’t been to often.) But to my Left Coast self the ancestry stuff seems about as relevant as the Austro-Hungarian Empire… anachronistic, vaguely un-American and quite ridiculous. (The feathered helmets were pretty neat, though.)
Also I share your discomfort with house parties. If that’s what you’re saying. Bars are a more structured environment. Plus if you get uncomfortable or bored you can leave without a convoluted excuse. Although I don’t drink much anymore.
Your story from 2006 (!!!) is indeed horrible but hey it’s from 2006, and does it “prove” anything about “gay-ghetto” types in general? It does not. I’m almost surprised that you’re not obsessed with Tawana Brawley, and/or the Clintons supposedly murdering Vince Foster… oops, you probably ARE obsessed with those things?
GC1985
@joeyty: You are making that up. Keep on with the nonsense. Nobody in New York thinks that way.
@joeyty: You think white dudes invented everything and that is totally false. You sir are mindless.
onthemark
@GC1985: “Nobody in New York thinks that way.” I agree, but hey… maybe he DOES know guys who think that way. But even if he does, so what? Why does he complain about them to us, *ad infinitum*? By his own admission, he’s not even hanging out with them anymore. 🙂
joeyty
@onthemark: I have very few born-in-California aquaintances but they all tell me the ethnicity subject doesn’t mean as much to them as NYC/Boston/East Coast people (where ethnicity always reigned) Maybe we just had different experiences (and don’t forget I’m the one who actually grew up here, and…like with New Orleans, no visitors will ever know it like a native. Again, you try to mock what I’m saying, but I’ve seen what the vicious gay ghetto can cause, (including a dog that was just doused with gasoline and set on fire…and once you’ve seen that you….I, anyway…decided I’m never letting people like that get away with it, and I DO blame gay ghetto leaders Andrew Towle and Andrew Humm). I’ve also seen the anonymous horror they can try to cause innocent people (I’ll give you a link that defines it best, read the comments), and….maybe the worst, the way they sneak up to the Bronx to find micks to pay for oral sex when just last week they’d been calling them stupid Catholic thugs.
joeyty
@onthemark: ” but hey… maybe he DOES know guys who think that way. But even if he does, so what? Why does he complain about them to us, *ad infinitum*? By his own admission, he’s not even hanging out with them anymore. :)” Well…why do people still complain about GW Bush on here? Or bring up the tired Matthew Shepard thing ?
GC1985
@joeyty: Where do you get this crap? Do you honestly believe any of the dreck you wrote? Maybe you should stop hanging out with those neonazi skinheads who put this nonsense into your little mind.
joeyty
@onthemark: “I agree, but hey… maybe he DOES know guys who think that way. But even if he does, so what? Why does he complain about them to us, *ad infinitum*? By his own admission, he’s not even hanging out with them anymore. :)” Why are people not even from North Carolina bothering about these laws ?
GC1985
@joeyty: Oh wow. What an fool. The damage Bush did to this nation is something we are still paying for and will continue to do so for years. Bush’s action led to blowback and the creation of ISIS. His economic policies have caused enough damage too. As far as Matt Shepard… Oh really? So we simply should forget about the past?
You are just stupid. I have no other words to describe you.
joeyty
@GC1985: People believe it. Some might think I’m exaggerating or misinterpret, but they know I have no reason to make these things up. You believe it too, you’re just pretending otherwise.
GC1985
When I say Bush’s actions… I am talking about the lies he told in order to launch the war on Iraq.
You see your stupid decisions have catastrophic consequences.
GC1985
@joeyty: You have no credibility and are a fool. So why should I believe any of the stupidity coming out of your mouth? I don’t have any reason to believe a compulsive liar, nor would anyone on here.
joeyty
@GC1985: I didn’t vote for Bush.
GC1985
@joeyty: Oh that’s right you didn’t. And you still can’t. You need to be 18 to vote. You will be 18 in 2020 from what I recall.
1EqualityUSA
joeyty, You were starting to sound as though you were bitten by a radioactive spider back there. Are you going to don tights, go out at night, and set multitudes of wrongs right? Fixing the world will not tap your pain. Elaboratenessnessness is the degree to which pain is held at bay. May I suggest putting all of this on canvas. You may just produce something wildly expressive. Remember the fat over lean principle..No, it’s not description of New Jersey dwellers and Manhattanites.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: Thanks. But putting things on canvas doesn’t directly hold people responsible for their actions (accept in an abstract way) nor prevent future horrors.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: “You were starting to sound as though you were bitten by a radioactive spider back there. Are you going to don tights, go out at night, and set multitudes of wrongs right?” Not don tights, but there are a number of guys in NYC who I’d like to get my hands on if I could get the addresses.
GC1985
Notice how he didn’t deny my claim about him not being able to vote. This site has some adult content and should block kids.
joeyty
@GC1985: Maybe it should block Colombian drag queens.
joeyty
@onthemark: When I can connect to Towleroad (having trouble) I’ll show you what a clique of Manhattan gay transplants did to innocent girls in Kentucky (Kentucky being one of the definitive enemy entities in the Gay Rules)to underscore what I’ve been protesting here…
GC1985
@joeyty: Maybe it should block 14 year baptist bigots like you.
@joeyty: You are not a very good liar. Try again.
GC1985
@joeyty: A piece of homophobic trash like you should not be allowed to post here. Period.
joeyty
@GC1985: You’re more of a homophobe than I. I’m the one expecting higher standards from gay men (and women). I expect the highest of civilization, from Plato to Michelangelo to Alan Turing to…..Sally Ride, even. You expect some silly thing with eyeshadow and a penis who’s so self-hating he wants Muslims to be the majority of the U.S. population. It’s (at least hoping for) standards.
onthemark
@joeyty: “When I can connect to Towleroad (having trouble)” … huh??? – Don’t you just click on Towleroad.com? What “trouble” could there be doing that?
“but there are a number of guys in NYC who I’d like to get my hands on if I could get the addresses.” Uh… intelius and zabasearch tend to work for lawyers and bill collectors. Apparently you’ve uncovered an evil gay cabal that none of us ever suspected. What exactly are you planning to do to them, Spidey?
onthemark
@joeyty: Well I understand, you shouldn’t tell us exactly what your plans are: superheroes don’t do that. It all gets explained by the comic books much later.
onthemark
@1EqualityUSA: I think you’re on to something. Peter Parker lived in Queens, you recall. In an Irish neighborhood. His grandfather was an immigrant from Galway who slightly “anglicized” the name which was originally O’Parker.
GC1985
@joeyty: You are so beyond pathetic. You expect what? From what? Most gay people work for a living and pay bills. Some straight people were Albert Einstein, Martin Luther King… etc. What is the point you are trying to make? When did I say anything about wanting Muslims to be a majority? You are a lying idiot. Stop lying about what I want or what I believe in. I am more pro gay than some filth like you. The way you denigrate who I am shows how much of a nasty little bigot you are. F..k you.
GC1985
You are a stupid lying Trump supporter… seeingeyecrap. I am so tired of your venom. I never said a damn thing about eye-shadow or Muslims. And self hating? Look at the f-cking mirror!
joeyty
@onthemark: I’m through talking here if you’re going to make a mockery of something this serious. For gay men to actually give out the addresses of (innocent) girls so they can be threatened with razor blade mutilation on their private parts isn’t cute and isn’t the time for “spidey” jokes.
joeyty
http://www.towleroad.com/2010/04/teenage-girls-try-to-push-lesbian-off-cliff-to-her-death/ This was the ongoing story, but it looks like Andrew Towle finally learned to go back and delete the evidence (the comments). These girls were friends of the gay community. They sure ain’t now.
joeyty
@onthemark: “Well I understand, you shouldn’t tell us exactly what your plans are: superheroes don’t do that. It all gets explained by the comic books much later.” What do YOU basically think would be the proper treatment for someone who poured gasoline over a dog and set it on fire, although it miraculously survived for a few days even though even its lungs were so badly burned ?
joeyty
@GC1985: Hans Christian Anderson; DaVinci; Alexander…….Eisenstein… Yet who do YOU put up as the nominee for the great homosexual ? Some RuPaul drag race winner. (shaking my head)
GC1985
@joeyty: You can’t even spell right. You are heterosexual. You aren’t gay. Go back to your neonazi website and leave the adults alone. You are a ridiculous little punk and you should stop trying to speak for me or anyone else. I don’t even watch RuPaul’s show.
onthemark
@joeyty: “These girls were friends of the gay community. They sure ain’t now.” WHAT girls, the ones who tried to push the lesbian off the cliff? WTF are you talking about? You seem to be saying there had been offensive comments that were deleted? By Towle personally, and that’s significant somehow? And this “proves” your gay-ghetto conspiracy theory somehow?
(Offensive comments are deleted from Queerty often, I don’t know by whom, GC says it’s a bot.)
You seem to imply that addresses of innocent people – in another case?, not this one? – were exposed by the evil awful gay cabal. And you want to retaliate by… exposing the addresses of the evil awful gay cabal? Well, legalities aside, you could do that without OUR permission or approval. Why are you bothering us about it?
How about if I agree with you: oh those gay-ghetto Manhattan guys are evil and awful and everyone should avoid them! Happy now?
1EqualityUSA
Guilt drove Peter O’Parker into a life of fighting crime, as he watched a place get robbed and didn’t intervene. Well….that very same dude made Aunt Mae a widow.
Joeyty, it’s commendable to right the wrongs in society, but it’s important to go about it properly, lest you start your own, “Star Chamber.” Vigilantism can lead to the wrong perpetrators being punished. Omitting the system of checks and balances sounds selfish and more about you and your needs, rather than seeking justice. This is the first time where I thought you may benefit from talking to a professional….or you could spend the afternoon watching cartoons and chillin’ like a villain. Pain, and the loops we go through to avoid dealing with it, is a contender. No shame in it. It’s like verbal boxing. Get some help. They may give you key advice about misplaced anger…or watch cartoons. Be productive today….or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUtziaZlDeE
joeyty
@onthemark: They turned out innocent. The “victim” and her mother made it up. Read the rest of the articles on the topic. Do you think the girls got any apologies for the threats to put razor blades down there ?
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: Maybe you should get some similar help about your fascination with Donald Trump, then. Practice what you preach.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: And save that spiderman comic thing for the next (real) gaybashinmg, if you think it’s appropriate.
joeyty
@onthemark: “You seem to imply that addresses of innocent people – in another case?, not this one? – were exposed by the evil awful gay cabal. And you want to retaliate by… exposing the addresses of the evil awful gay cabal? Well, legalities aside, you could do that without OUR permission or approval. Why are you bothering us about it?” Why are others here bothering about Matthew Shepard ? Or North Carolina ? You tell me what’s the difference between the cabal I’ve pointed out or the cabals you seem to think it’s more acceptable to criticize ?
onthemark
@joeyty: Well, thanks for finally explaining that! “Do you think the girls got any apologies for the threats to put razor blades down there ?” Apologies, probably not and why is THAT your concern? Apologies, who cares? Legal recompense, maybe, because it’s a fucking CRIME to do that.
“Why are others here bothering about Matthew Shepard ?” Because he was actually, you know, killed.
I’d never heard before of the dog case you brought up but I’m guessing the owner of the dog may have been able to take some LEGAL action. There is a difference between real-life, LEGAL action and whining on the internet about something one cannot prove.
If you want to DO something, you’re free to do it. You’re the one who claims to know these gay-ghetto Manhattan types that are so horrible. We don’t know ’em! wE’VE NEVER MET ‘EM! If you want to get complete strangers excited about it, and do YOUR work for you, that’s really weird. What would you be doing about all these things if the internet did not exist?
onthemark
@joeyty: If bad guys are just trash talking and saying negative stuff about “micks” or whatever, gee I hate to break this to you but that’s not a crime. Sure it’s not nice but it’s not a crime.
If you think someone or a group is committing an actual crime or about to do so, the proper response is to notify the cops. The proper response is NOT to whine about it on the internet to complete strangers who you’ve never met and never will meet, and who’ve never met the supposed criminals and never will, in an attempt to get the strangers as excited about it as you are, in hopes THEY will do something about it that you are too lazy to do.
onthemark
@joeyty: Also… Have some Lucky Charms, joeyty, they’re magically delicious.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/lucky-the-leprechaun-voice-actor-dies-in-ny-at-age-231949645.html
joeyty
@onthemark: Uh….the firemen and many others on 9-11-01 were, you know, killed. Get it ?
joeyty
@onthemark: I’m not Irish (but I like them: the guys, not the cereal). But I think you’ve shown you’re a (coddled) California airhead so….don’t ask me anymore about serious issues. Save your Spidey and Lucky charms jokes for articles on ISIS throwing gays off rooftops since violence=cutesy to you.
joeyty
@onthemark: No, it’s not a crime. But I think guys of Irish descent should be warned why they won’t be hired at gay establishments. That’s just being correct…like everything else I’m talking about. I guess you think giving advice is a …bad thing (strangely enough). Ialso promote the use of condoms to everybody. What can often be a crime though (depending on specifics) is lying about certain people because you hate their ethnicity to put them and their families in danger, and bring on a whole cycle of harm.
joeyty
@onthemark: “wE’VE NEVER MET ‘EM! If you want to get complete strangers excited about it, and do YOUR work for you, that’s really weird. What would you be doing about all these things if the internet did not exist?” That’s completely applicable to virtually everybody you complain about on Queerty.
onthemark
@joeyty: !!! – ??? – They were killed by Muslim terrorists, yes. So why are you acting like the gay-ghetto guys killed them? Get it?
I’ve written at length on Queerty about my autism, and being beaten up all through school (often by Mexicans, if that makes you happy or confirms your world-view), and I got into arguments with Giancarlo about that (back when he thought he hated me!) – all google-able – I’m not “coddled,” no.
I think you’re fucking insane, though.
onthemark
@joeyty: “That’s completely applicable to virtually everybody you complain about on Queerty.”
Yes indeed it is, and I’ve told that to others here and elsewhere. Few of whom approached your level of bat-sh1t insanity.
joeyty
@onthemark: But gays did nothing but conga line dances of glee when it happened ! Hooray…we’re rid of the NYFD micks ! Drag queens dressed as the WTC and threw Babrie Dols off their heads as goofs.
joeyty
@onthemark: I think the idea of Spidey snapping pics of Matthew Shepard tied to that fence is pretty funny, don’t you ?
joeyty
@onthemark: “I’ve written at length on Queerty about my autism, and being beaten up all through school (often by Mexicans, if that makes you happy or confirms your world-view),” Shows, again, you know so little about me.
onthemark
@joeyty: “But I think guys of Irish descent should be warned why they won’t be hired at gay establishments.” Oh Jesus Fucking Christ, off the top of my head I can remember two dozen gay bartenders of “Irish descent” in NYC gay bars. And now you contradict what you were saying before, when you said you were referring to “house parties” and not bars (or “gay establishments”).
But if you want to “warn” the Irish about this non-existent threat by imaginary people, fine, go ahead and warn them.
onthemark
@joeyty: ” But gays did nothing but conga line dances of glee when it happened !”
1) Even if that HAD happened, it wouldn’t have been a crime.
2) Even if it HAD happened, it would have been an exceedingly tiny minority of extremely fucked-up gays. Who might have been lynched, literally, if they did that on 9/11.
3) IF it happened, it would have made a lot of news. You don’t have a cite from any news media – nothing.
4) It didn’t happen.
5) The Muslims in Jersey City didn’t cheer either.
joeyty
@onthemark: No, you remember no such thing. And the Irish guys (raised in the Bronx and Brooklyn especially) know you never bother with gay places (the only ones that still hold on to the whole Catholic versus Protestant thing). So you (not even from NYC; you probably don’t even know about the whole Shiksa God/Lavender Mafia thing) can’t tell me to go along with how you’d prefer to imagine life is and not make others aware of this stuff. (I already gave you the Finnerty link). Maybe, giving you the benefit of the doubt, you just missed the bigotry going on all around you when you visited NYC. Either way, we’ve had different experiences in life, been exposed to different things, so don’t go responding to my posts anymore if you’re just going to try to mock my answers.
joeyty
@onthemark: ) “Even if it HAD happened, it would have been an exceedingly tiny minority of extremely fucked-up gays. Who might have been lynched, literally, if they did that on 9/11.” Who would lynch them ? The other gays in bars who agreed with them ?
onthemark
@joeyty: ” Who would lynch them ? The other gays in bars who agreed with them ?”
???? – Who would lynch them? The hundreds and thousands of others gays who knew someone who died in the towers, or who had worked in the towers in the past, OR ESCAPED ON THE DAY.
joeyty
@onthemark: “The Muslims in Jersey City didn’t cheer either.” I know nothing about that either way. I wasn’t in Jersey City.
joeyty
@onthemark: No, there weren’t THAT many gays who lost anyone in the Towers. There were some gay heros, for sure (from the obvious Mark Bingham to so many others) but that wasn’t enough to keep gays from making a mockery of the whole thing. Especially re. the NYFD micks.
joeyty
@onthemark: And, again, it’s not because of WTC stuff specifically that I think there should be punishment on certain individuals. The Irish/Irish-American community in NYC, from what I know of them, can certainly handle a bunch of transplant gays wishing them harm….It’s not even wrong if you hate someone’s ethnicity. But it’s some of the more direct harm I’ve watched the gay ghetto do to innocent people (because they hate the ethnicity) that’s unacceptable and that the world in general should know.
onthemark
“But gays did nothing but conga line dances of glee when it happened !”
This disturbing remark of yours betrays your complete ignorance of the whole thing. Practically all businesses in Manhattan south of 14th were closed, and inaccessible from Tues. 9/11 to about Sun. 9/16. So which in uptown gay bars are you saying this gleeful stuff happened? Name one. I was familiar, at least in passing, with all the uptown gay bars of the time.
At times I’ve almost started to believe you that these bigoted gay-ghetto guys exist, and that you were unlucky enough to encounter them when I hadn’t. Now I’m suddenly back to GC’s opinion that you’re just a troll who has possibly never even been to New York, ever!
joeyty
@onthemark: They were all south of 14th . The Bar, the Phoenix, and…ugh..one more I was in and I’m forgetting the name. But, like I said, that just established the anti-Irish hatred. That’s not a crime. It’s the other stuff, the crimes committed because of the hatred, that’s the problem.
joeyty
@onthemark: And anyone in NYC who doubts me can meet me. Hook me up with one of your many NYC friends. Including the supposed Irish bartenders.
onthemark
@joeyty: “The Irish/Irish-American community in NYC, from what I know of them, can certainly handle a bunch of transplant gays wishing them harm”
What a relief to hear that. You were certainly making the Irish out to be a bunch of fucking wimps, afraid of any f@ggot who calls them names!
I’ll have to check in tomorrow, it’s way past my bed time.
joeyty
@onthemark: But what can even THEY do when gays purposely endanger children families, pets ? Enough of this. We just had different experiences in life. Don’t bother talking to me on here anymore. Though if you visit NYC (or want tme to meet with anyone here) I will.
onthemark
@joeyty: I don’t believe you. I seriously doubt that the Bar or the Phoenix, or any East Village bar, opened for business before Sunday the 16th.
1EqualityUSA
Is he strong? Listen bud, he’s got radioactive blood… Joeyty, my God, you put the “E” in elaborate. How many of these concocted enemies are needed to keep you from suffering through introspection? Pain is elusive. We all have it. Narcissistic injury, wrought by rejection. When did you lose your part-time bartending gig? This is too many years to be nursing one incident. Is that a bandaid on your ankle? I must go serve my fascination for Trump now. Enjoy locking talons with onthemark for an entire day and plummeting to Earth. wtf
onthemark
@1EqualityUSA: Ha, thanks for that.
For the record (for anyone still reading this stuff), the logistic problems I was referring to: On Tues. 9/11 the authorities totally shut down NYC below 14th Street, and unless you actually lived there you couldn’t get in. (The forbidden zone included, btw, the immediate waterfront areas of Brooklyn, Jersey City and Hoboken.) The vast majority of businesses were closed until Sun. 9/16. If memory serves, “non-essential” businesses were literally forbidden to open even for locals. Even if it wasn’t quite THAT formal the obvious logistic problems for any bar would be: 1) the vast majority of employees (mick or otherwise) lived elsewhere and couldn’t get to work, 2) the vast majority of customers lived elsewhere and couldn’t get in either, even in the unlikely event they wanted to.
On Sunday the downtown bars reopened and I went to several. (Including the Boiler Room next door to “the Bar” that joey mentions.) I saw a lot of crying, but definitely no celebrations. That’s absurd. Even if there were any logic to Spidey Joey’s claims, Sunday the 16th would have been a little late for “conga lines.” As I noted far back in this thread, 343 firemen died on 9/11 and as large as that number was, it’s still a tiny fraction of the nearly 3,000 who died. Celebrations by fireman-haters would make as much sense as Germans in Dresden in 1945 cheering the firebombing of Dresden just because it happened to kill a few Allied prisoners of war (see “Slaughterhouse Five” by Kurt Vonnegut). Total bullsh1t, it makes no sense.
I’ve heard some ridiculous 9/11 conspiracy theories but this is one of the stupidest so I don’t want this one to get ANY traction!
1EqualityUSA
onthemark, we jest, jab each other, crack comments that either infuriate or makes us laugh. Sometimes it’s best to take leave. joeyty, keep boxing. It suits you. I wish for you peace of mind. Bye, all. Remember to vote.