The Vatican — arguably the most out of touch religious leadership in the world — strongly urges Catholic Churches to test wannabe preachers on their sexuality. Now, is that a urine or a blood test?
Well, testing for "being gay" is not as scientific as it sounds. Because we wouldn't want the Pope & Co. to do something rash and start believing in science. Which explains why the mere "appearance" of being gay is justification enough to keep creepy guys who commit to Jesus out of the church. And remember, even celibate gays aren't allowed! Score one for repression — from a church who knows a thing or two about how to violate its parishioners.
The Vatican's directive about banning gay priests, called the "Guidelines for the Use of Psychology in the Admission and Formation of Candidates for the Priesthood," was proposed last year in a pitiful attempt at dodging criticism for the sex abuse scandals. It's also a significant step toward cementing Catholicisim's homophobia; the church used to tolerate gay priests so long as they were "non-practicing" homosexuals. Now, any gay is banned.
And at least one diocese has signed on to the testing, in a weak ploy to weed out potential batty men.
THE Melbourne Catholic Church has embraced a Vatican recommendation to test potential priests for sexual orientation.
Under the guidelines, potential priests who "appear" to be gay must be banned.
The head of the Vatican committee that made the recommendations has made it clear celibate gays should also be banned because homosexuality is ‘‘a type of deviation’’.
Archdiocese of Melbourne spokesman James O’Farrell confirmed Carlton’s Corpus Christi Catholic seminary had started adhering to the guidelines, but refused to comment further.
Victorian Gay and Lesbian Rights Lobby spokeswoman Hayley Conway said the church was sending a ‘‘dangerous and offensive’’ message about sexuality.
‘‘They seem to be moving backwards in a lot of ways which is really unfortunate . . . especially for those who are Catholic and out, and there are a lot of them already struggling,’’ she said. [Herald Sun]
And in the biggest exercise of irony, the Vatican recommends "that the people who do the testing should have 'solid human and spiritual maturity' and a 'Christian concept of the human person, sexuality, the priestly vocation and celibacy,'" notes activist Peter Tatchell. "In other words, conformity to homophobic Catholic doctrine takes precedence over professional qualifications."
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Just another reason to leave religions all together and to find your own spirituality. Let religions be for people who cannot think for themselves.
"The Vatican — arguably the most out of touch religious leadership in the world"
'Nuff said.
Given the exodus of people leaving religion, I don't think churches are in the position to be choosy about who they accept.
This honestly verges on the brink of being a headline on The Onion.
Maybe they'll use the fruit machine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_machine
I will not comment. I will not comment. I will not comment!
@thisismikesother: terrific comment, love the onion. and Charles, your restraint is admirable, particularly given the range and depth of material here!
@RichardR:
"the range and depth of material here!"
???
@Charles J. Mueller:
I think it's okay to say this is a bad, hypocritical and silly move that will backfire on them.
On the other hand, isn't that exactly what some of us want? If the goal is to convince gueers to turn away from oppressive religions this is sort of a good news story… in a backhanded way (joking here).
@RichardR:
Perhaps he has given it up for lent.
(sorry Charles… I am just kidding, and in a friendly way).
Well if the test is wearing hand stitched Prada Shoes and long flowey dresslike garments then I guess the Pope will have to be kicked out since he is obviously gay.
I think willingness to submit to a life of celibacy is a pretty good sign of teh gay. (At least for the self-hating teh gay.)
They should test the ordained priests, and then the Catholic Church would disappear.
Wish I could find that cartoon about this that I saw several years ago. damn. Sums this whole stupidity up beautiful.
Oh good. This will further weaken the Catholic Church. They're already suffering from a shortage of priests.
The less priests they have, the less churches they're able to operate.
My hopes are that when it becomes truly dire, the Catholic laity will seize power from the fucktards in the Vatican or they'll just leave the Church entirely.
Oh my….the real shame is that the Church covered up the pedophiles who were breaking not only God's laws but man's. The priesthood, since it is supposed to be celibate anyway, was an avenue for the devout Catholic who was gay but did not want to violate the commandments (I am taking to theological position here, just analyzing the situation.) He could devote his life to God and the Church. Many priest, gay and otherwise, were honorable. However, many were not. It was the Church's inexcusable cover ups that led to the massive number of victims. If they had an open andhonest policy of turning any perp over to the authorities, they would never have lost the trust of their flock.
This Church is engaging in madness. Beating up on homosexuality will not bring anyone closer to God. But is will engender more hatred, closeting, fear, and pain. Way to go, once again.
@kevin (not that one): I partly agree. I think the Catholic layity need to seize power, but I've seen very clearly first hand the liberal attitudes of many priests and even a bishop or two. I think that these low-level officials (the more liberal ones) will bow under pressure from the layity, it seems to me to be the heirarchy of the church which is the most dangerously out of touch. Hopefully, when this anti-chirst of a pope kicks it we will have a new pope, and vatican III. I think that's what the church needs.
I have a theory that what we're seeing here is a Catholic clergy brain drain. In more closeted eras,the priesthood was a good way for a gay man to fit into the greater community. Who else but a homo would want commit to celibacy in order to sit around for afternoon tea with a bunch of housewives? But as times changed and personal and public lives became more intertwined, we came out, and our options for leading decent lives greatly expanded. And when we no longer went into the priesthood and the church didn't change, what were left were the very old and the very unstable (pedophiles).
Let them continue their death spiral. Soon they won't have anyone left listening to them. I grew up Catholic, and this saddens me, but they kind of did this to themselves.
It's just so disturbing that the barely hidden commentary is the "still stuck in medieval times" mentality that a gay person must automatically be a molester, a pedophile, a deviant. THAT thinking is what drives the animosity, the bigotry, the ridiculousness of lack of acceptance. It's not remotely true, although there undoubtedly are gay molesters, they are not the norm, nor are gays more likely to be so. The real thing is FEAR. Fear that someone not exactly like you is dangerous, is a threat, is twisted and out to do you harm. Please. You harm yourself in being so rigid and bigoted. I have to say…poor God, being blamed for all this when it's nothing but manmade and imaginary…miraculously thought up by some of the smallest minds ever invented. All that can be done is to continue the battle, continue to educate, continue to live, continue to speak up and participate and demand reform…without that, they win. I am always amazed at the way some are so willing to be led into lemminghood, completely abandoning their own sensibilities and conscious in order to "belong" to something. Fear of "aloneness" and being on the outside…powerful stuff. Too bad those that do so don't see they are committing others to just that abandonment.
In perspective, it's amazing that the differentiation between religion, which is definitely manmade structure, a creation built so people feel they belong to something, and faith, which is of the heart and singular to an individual alone, between them solely and their "god", is so easily lost.The power given to such structure, power to inflict upon others a particular "structure's" rules and regulations, abandoning the individual's intimate walk, regardless of if it harms and strips another of their innate rights, is mindboggling in it's rigidity and diametric opposition to their "structure's" supposed reason for existing in the first place. Truly just not fathomable…
When that great Book of Life reading takes place, I want a front row seat and lots of popcorn…it's gonna be an interesting viewing…
Here's another brainless, destructive act by the Catholic Church:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calga.....-aids.html
Stopping a fundraiser to help fight AIDS in Africa. Maybe they think another dose of the Black Death would be good for business. Lots of money from Chantrys, and there's a spinoff industry in blaming the whole thing on witches.
(I probably should have put this under the "Benedict hates condoms" thread, but this is more current)
@J:
Though notice that the fundraiser was initially spreaheaded by Catholics. You are absolutely right about the laity being far ahead of the hierarchy. After all, the liberation theology movement was primarly driven by Catholics. I don't think any organization can get as bit as the Catholic Church without at least a few decent and non-judgemental people winding up in their ranks.
If the Lefevrists on the right of the church can form a schism, why not those on the left?
"The Vatican — arguably the most out of touch religious leadership in the world"
uuh… Mormons – thinks Jesus walked in the United States, thinks the American Indians are descended from the Apostles, etc. No other religion can be proven SO WRONG using simple archeology, genealogy, 6th grade Science, and common sense.
but even that gets trumped by Scientology (and I won't go into that hideous mess). Is Kabbalah still around?
the point is that Catholicism as a warped, bloody, arrogant, pompous, and greed-filled past – so i think they are just holding true to their history! there are plenty of religions more "out of touch" however…
LOL
I just have to say the catholic leadership is a bunch of FREAKS!!! the fact that the pope was a member of Hitlers Youth says everything I need to know about this church and its leaders! And lets not forget they covered up molesting children for what reason? Because they are a bunch of FREAKS!!!
I am sorry for the good and honorable priest and followers of the church who practice with compassion and understanding in spite of the FREAKS who control the church!!! I hope they someday find their way to lead this corrupt and backwards looking FREAKSHOW known as the Catholic Church, but I dought it…
@bigjake75: good post
I too am sorry for the good and honorable priests and followers of the church who practice with compassion and understanding in spite of the freaks who control the church, but I am even more so sorry for the victims of the evils that those freaks perpetrate with such abandon and glee.
There is an old adage that "We get the quality of government that we deserve. After all, we voted the people into office that fucked us over.
Should not the same rationale apply to religion? Why aren't the good priests and honorable priests and followers more vocal about their opposition to the freaks? After all, they are giving their tacit consent by failing to speak up or turning their head in the other direction while the damage is being done by the freaks.
Are their hands any cleaner?
@Doug…thanks. btw all, did you see Gates on tv today? Obama and the military leaders just threw us under the bus…check out yahoo news. guess them gays still won't be allowed to defend America…of course if we were, we would not be defending OUR freedoms now would we…
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They could show the perspective priest some gay porn and measure the reaction, and not worry about any false positives. The absurdity of the Vatican buying gay porn to weed out gay priests would be priceless.
So, the Catholic Church is finally ending their "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Policy. What's next? Our Military?
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