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Is Rick Warren Silent on Uganda’s Gay Murder Bill Because He Supports It?

Why is it so hard for Rick Warren, the president’s favorite pastor to rankle the gays, to disavow the proposed legislation that would make gay sex punishable by death in Uganda? For a man so devoted to Jesus’s compassion, Warren certainly has a ridiculous double standard when it comes to where and to whom that compassion is devoted.

Warren’s involvement with Uganda’s anti-gay bill stems from his relationship with Martin Ssempa, the Ugandan pastor backing the legislation. While Warren publicly stated he severed all ties with Ssempa, it’s no secret the pastor found welcome arms at Warren’s Saddleback Church.

And yet, Warren — who laughably claims things like never being against gay marriage — refuses to denounce an utterly deplorable bill led by a possibly-former associate.

“The fundamental dignity of every person, our right to be free, and the freedom to make moral choices are gifts endowed by God, our creator,” says Warren in a statement. “However, it is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations.”

That’s quite amusing, given Warren’s new found appreciation for all things non-America. Lately, he’s focused heavily on China; he told an audience earlier this month that “last Sunday there were more Christians who went to church in China than all of Europe combined.” And like the crusaders before him, it sounds like Warren would be quite at home spreading what he thinks is god’s message beyond America’s borders; he’s made plenty of in-roads to bring Anglican churches in America into the fold of Africa’s anti-gay clerics, as his visits to Uganda are more akin to one-man campaigns to encourage divisiveness.

On Meet The Press (see below video), Warren declared it not to be his job to interfere “with the political process of other nations.” But this is not about the laws of other nations.

This is about basic protections for human life. If a foreign lawmaker were calling for Christians to be executed, Warren would be there, leading the opposition. But when it comes to gay men and women, who, Warren supposedly does not wish ill, he’s not just remained painfully silent, he has, be fault, endorsed genocide against gay Ugandans.

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On:           Nov 30, 2009
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  • 40 Comments
    • terrwill
      terrwill

      File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – Quick View
      HIPC, foreign aid to Uganda averaged. US$593 million per year. In the six years after. HIPC, it averaged US$783 million per year.

      As above the US averages 783 MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR to these sub human savages. Along with the death provision for suspected HIV persons. If you read the bill they punish ANY form of Gay sex by life in prison (anal/oral/even rubbing) If you simply know of a Gay person and do not report it within 24 hours you are sentenced to 3 years in prison. How the fuck is this able to happen?? Our tax dollars are funding these savages and despicable ways. And yet the “family” of rightwing-nutbag zealot lunatics senators and representives, along with Warren support this filth………………….

      Nov 30, 2009 at 9:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scottie
      Scottie

      I hope this Warren creep is held accountable for this. It is completely hypocritical and unacceptable for someone in his position to keep quiet about something this heinous. My only comfort is knowing that he will be held accountable by his maker one day. That is one thing I know for sure.

      Nov 30, 2009 at 10:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Attmay
      Attmay

      @1 Terrwill:

      I will not pay a dime in taxes until:

      A. All gay and lesbian citizens are 100% equal under the law.
      B. No tax dollars go to foreign aid for countries that oppress gays.

      Nov 30, 2009 at 10:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AlanInUtah
      AlanInUtah

      I can’t wait til the day when this bill passes and then someone accuses their president of being gay himself. There will be false claim after false claim accusing others of being gay, knowing someone is gay, etc… It will be total chaos and their society will fall because of it. What a stupid nation.

      Nov 30, 2009 at 11:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • lil mongo
      lil mongo

      I think the conservative fundamental mind works with the idea that homosexuality is a sin and that any law, secular or spiritual, that is against it is ultimately an expression of god’s will…so in this situation it is merely god doling out justice in the form of death, although distateful to warren, is much more closer to his ethics than say, gay marriage, which validates homosexuality…they say gay marriage is a slippery slope towrads bestiality? i say compassionate homophobia is a slippery slope towards genocide…

      btw doesnt he look like a dark and surlier version of falwell?
      looks like master warren back in the day was dipping into more than just his cotton accounts , huh?

      Nov 30, 2009 at 11:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      How totally arrogant for bigots like Warren to make statements such as…”the fundamental dignity of every person, our right to be free, and the freedom to make moral choices are gifts endowed by God, our creator.” Says who? How dare he assume that we’re all believers. Notice how he evades the issue when he says its not his place to intefere in the political process of other nations, the same sentiment that people like Obama would support. You can bet Warren and Obama would be interfering if it were right wing religious bigots targeted for the same punishment. Its so transparent where this bastard is coming from.

      Nov 30, 2009 at 12:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill
      Bill

      “Is Rick Warren Silent on Uganda’s Gay Murder Bill Because He Supports It?”

      Of course he supports it.

      And I hate to break it to you, but I would guess that a MAJORITY of people would support this.

      People hate us. They want to see us dead. ‘People of God’ tend to be at the top of that list.

      As a gay man who flies under the radar, I get to hear all of the things that heterosexuals say about us when they think there are no gay people in the room.

      It is terrifying. To hear middle-aged professionals at my office talking about ‘moving us all to an island somewhere, then bombing the island’ and vile stuff like that.

      Heterosexuals, by and large, are not now, have never been and will never be our ‘friends.’ There are exceptions, of course, but if you think that this is any different than what the ‘religious right’ will ultimately try to do to Gay citizens in the U.S., you had better wake up and smell the Christian heterosexuals that are SURELY coming to get us.

      Nov 30, 2009 at 12:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • terrwill
      terrwill

      Damm did I OD on cranbery sauce and land in an alternate universe here???? Not one person has posted some PC poo about “fighting bigotry with bigotry” or bitched about my calling the filthy savages who rule Uganda just what they are…………..Maybe when people take off the PC “tint my world rose colored” glasses and see that there are powerful lunatics in this very country who actually support imprisoning us (not denouncing the Ugandan legislation is the same as approving it). They are awakened to see just how twisted the agenda of these rightwing-nutbag zealot lunatics is………………

      And it seems strange Rick Warren has been very vocal in denouncing countries with prochoice laws on the books. Yet he can not bring himself to “interfere” with the Ugandan scumbags legislation. He and his type are much more dangerous than the raving lunatics like Rev. Fred (my grandson Jacob is Gay) Phelps. Warren,Fuckabee (who pardoned the accused killer of the four cops in Washington) and the “new breed” of conserative nutbags are learning to make their poison more easier to take, assuming the smiling “nice guy” persona. They’d be smiling the whole way as the Gays are marched into the chambers………..

      Nov 30, 2009 at 1:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      Terrwill, I agree with you, but don’t expect Obama and others to make any pronouncements, unlike Britain’s Gordon Brown who has spoken out on it, the only world leader so far.

      Nov 30, 2009 at 1:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Rocco Dominic
      Rocco Dominic

      You know, I’m a Christian myself and I’m disappointed in Warren. I’ll have to read more stories about this bill and Warren’s involvement in it, but from reading this article, Warren needs to step it up a bit. Homosexuality is a divided issue among Christians, (For the record I’m not anti-gay.) so part of me can see what Warren’s problem is. I’m not defending him, however. We Christians need to step up and meet people where they are, looking at them as people, not as gays, Christians, Pagans, Muslims, etc. Don’t think we’re all bad guys. Some of us are reasonable. =-D

      Hope this all made sense. Tired right now so it might be a bit fragmented. ;-)

      Btw did you all read the gay penguin story? That made my day. =-D

      Nov 30, 2009 at 2:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      Hey guys. Do we really need to bust our noodles trying to figure out if Prick Warren, along with probably most of his followers, want to see all of us murdered?

      He’s made his position on gays adamantly clear when he recently visited Uganda.

      Terrwill, the thread is still too new. Give the PC poo-slingers some time. They’ll show up, I assure you.

      They always do. ;-P

      Nov 30, 2009 at 4:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Felix
      Felix

      Just in case you want to share a piece of your mind with the Uganda Embassy in DC. I already did

      http://ugandaemb.org/embassy.html

      Uganda Ambassador email
      pkamunanwire@ugandaembassyus.org

      Nov 30, 2009 at 5:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Keith Kimmel
      Keith Kimmel

      “No. 3 · Attmay

      @1 Terrwill:

      I will not pay a dime in taxes until:

      A. All gay and lesbian citizens are 100% equal under the law.
      B. No tax dollars go to foreign aid for countries that oppress gays.”

      And how do you plan to do that?

      Nov 30, 2009 at 5:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alan brickman
      alan brickman

      Bye Bye Tax status…

      Nov 30, 2009 at 10:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dan
      Dan

      Contact the Ugandan Embassy staff in Washington D.C. and tell them what you think–in whatever temperate (or temperate) words you think appropriate. Call them now–operators are standing by!

      In fact, call them today. Then call them tomorrow. Then call them the day after that. Then the day after that… get the idea?!?!?

      Embassy
      info@ugandaembassyus.org

      Ambassador
      His Excellency Professor
      Perezi K. Kamunanwire >>
      Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary
      Tel: (202) 726 4758
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      pkamunanwire@ugandaembassyus.org

      Mr. Charles Ssentongo
      Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM)
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 110;
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      Cssentongo@ugandaembassyus.org

      Col. Leopold Eric Kyanda ‘psc’ (K)
      Defence, Army, Navy and Airforce Attaché
      Tel. 202 726 7100 ex 104
      Fax: 202 726 1727
      lekyanda@ugandaembassyus.org

      Mr. George N. Ndyamuba
      First Secretary
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 103;
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      gndyamuba@ugandaembassyus.org

      Mr. Michael Abooki Karugaba
      Second Secretary
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 107;
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      mkarugaba@ugandaembassyus.org

      Sam Bhoi Omara
      Second Secretary
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ext. 106
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      somara@ugandaembassyus.org

      Rosebell Kirungi
      Third Secretary
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ext. 112
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      bell@ugandaembassyus.org

      Ms. Rebecca Mwesigwa
      Personal Secretary to the Ambassador
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 108;
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      rmwesigwa@ugandaembassyus.org

      Ms. Tatyana Owampuro
      Consular Assistant
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 102;
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      towampuro@ugandaembassyus.org

      Ms. Zainab Nahabwe
      Accounts Assistant
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 105;
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      znahabwe@ugandaembassyus.org

      Ms. Florence Ntaganda
      Secretary
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 113;
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      fntaganda@ugandaembassyus.org

      Ms. Nusaibah Wanyanna
      Secretary
      Tel: 202 726 7100 ext 113
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      nwanyanna@ugandaembassyus.org

      Ms. Karen Kasibayo
      Receptionist
      Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 100;
      Fax: (202) 726 1727
      kkasibayo@ugandaembassyus.org

      Dec 1, 2009 at 1:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • naghanenu
      naghanenu

      Gee thanks..Terrwill et al, for refering to me as a subhuman savage.I am sure my dad(who is African) will be thrilled. Nice!

      Uganda,like many African countries, have a lot and i mean a lot of issues with homosexuality. Not only are they deeply religious but their cultures tend to frown on it. I admit that. I lived there for a while. They simply refuse to understand anything outside what they consider normal. Fine, call them annoyingly bullheaded. But that is their stand as a country…it sucks.

      However I m not sure what you expect or want Rick Warren to do. Queerty, i swear, you post topics like a petulant two year old. You intentionally cornered a pastor you know is not pro gay marriage and are attacking him. Why? Is he a great or even influential political person? Is he somone can actually make any difference on the Uganda bill? Do you assume you are calling out his hypocrisy? What is your problem?

      Instead of whining amongst yourselves..what are you doing about it? Who have you contacted? How are you helping ur gay brothers and sisters in Uganda?

      Christ!

      Dec 1, 2009 at 10:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @ Naghanenu

      I agree with quite a bit of your post but use the word “it sucks” for the bill that Uganda is proposing is patronising, insane and insulting, plus deeply disturbing.

      But what are YOU doing? Or YOUR Dad?

      How sad that people the same culture can’t get support from others of the same and have to go with a begging bowl to a completely different culture?

      American Gays barely get any support in their onw country lol, not sure they can try and help gay from Uganda.

      This is a human right issue. The UN and the US govt should be the ones reacting to this..

      Dec 1, 2009 at 10:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @ No. 15 – Naghanenu

      I go with John From England on this issue.

      What are YOU doing? Or YOUR Dad? After all, Africa is YOUR country, not ours.

      It’s disingenuous of you to say you deplore the homophobia of African countries and then sloff-it-off on American gays as if it is their problem to deal with.

      Insofar as your giving Rick Warren a pass on this disgusting issue, a so-called man of God, should be profoundly disturbed by the proposed anti-gay legislation of the Ugandan President…and should be willing to say so, even if there is nothing he can personally do about it.

      Prick Warren’s silence (and that of Mr. Obama) speaks volumes about his own homophobia. You do recall his trip to Uganda to meet with President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni for the purposes of schmoozing (read kissing ass), do you not? Warren knew about this impending Ugandan legislation right from the very beginning and said nothing against it.

      His only reason for visiting the President was for the purpose of extending his empire and bringing it to Africa to sucker-in more souls who are too weak to think for themselves and need someone to lead them around by the nose, like the hooked, religious fundamentalist junkies right here in the USA.

      John is absolutely correct. This is a human rights issue. On an individual level, there is little anyone can do to prevent this madman (Museveni)from carrying out his horrendous crime against humanity.

      The UN and the US government should be the ones acting on this.

      The fact that we are not hearing from them, also speaks volumes.

      Dec 1, 2009 at 12:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @ No. 8 – Terrwill

      You see, your worst fear did come to fruition in post no. 15. LOL

      Dec 1, 2009 at 12:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @ no. 10 – Rocco

      Thank you for sharing with us. You do indeed, sound reasonable :)

      We need more of that. Reasonableness, that is.

      Thank you for visiting our site and please, feel welcome to share your thoughts, feelings and comments with us any time the spirit moves you.

      Dec 1, 2009 at 12:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • joedee1969
      joedee1969

      How Rick or anyone be quiet on this. This is so shocking. I’m going to write to that pro-gay writer at America Speaks Ink and see if he’ll jump on this. He is the biggest mouth we have out there:

      http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/10/charlie-crist-and-the-film-outrage/

      http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/07/pro-life-pro-gay-marriage/

      http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/06/i-changed-my-mind-on-gay-marriage/

      Dec 1, 2009 at 12:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tealdeer
      tealdeer

      I’m not sure what Rick Warren’s motivation for tweeting this today was, but I find the timing interesting:

      “Globally last yr 146,000 Christians were put to death because of their faith. No one, except Christians, said anything.”

      http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/6226009441

      I, perhaps, uncharitably, interpreted it as RW being peeved at what he perceives as bias against Christians, when Uganda killing gays is met with outrage but other governments’ murder of Christians supposedly isn’t.

      Nevermind that (as I was able to find with a 30-second Google) Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the US State Department all spoke in condemnation of the persecution of Christians in the last year.

      Dec 1, 2009 at 12:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      Forget Warren, he’s just your typical christer bigot. The real question is: What’s Obama going to do to rein in scum like Warren and McClurkin.

      1) The only documented source of the homohating and violence against our communities in Uganda and much of neo-colonial post-colonial world) are abrahamic cults, mainly christers and islamists, who brought bigotry with them and imposed it, slavery, their cults and the theft of resources and land with bayonets.

      Religion is the enemy.

      Homohating was part of the Europeans general tactic of using superstition, racism and misogyny to divide and rule.

      2) Warrens support for Obama, expressed when he gave Obama a podium to bellow out how much he opposed same sex marriage was organized by Obama’s director of christer, read bigot, outreach, Josh Dubois, who also organized Obama’s use of Donnie McClurkin to get an ‘in’ with bigots. Warren was rewarded by being given his own podium, an audience of billions at the Inaugural.

      3) We can demand it, but it’s unlikely that either Obama or Hillary Clinton will condemn Warren or their other far rightist christian supporters for supporting ‘ethnic cleansing’ against our communities. It’s even more unlikely that the either Obama or Hillary Clinton will charter aircraft and announce that any people fleeing murderous nations and states like Iraq, Iran, Nigeria, Mississippi, Puerto Rico, Jamaica, Italy or some of the former Soviet territories will be offered asylum and social services for as long as needed.

      Dec 1, 2009 at 1:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @ schlukitz

      But to be fair, where is HRC? Are they not international or is it my miscomprenhension?

      Dec 1, 2009 at 7:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @ John

      Thank you for the two articles. Interesting…and scary, indeed.

      And Yes. Where is HRC? They too, are eerily silent on the matter.

      But then again, as we have learned from CA and ME, anything they have to say is of very little, if any, value anyway. A bunch of stuffed shirts filled with hot air.

      All they want, is for us to keep sending them money to finance their black tie dinners so they can continue to schmooze with the politicians in Wash. DC.

      As useless as tits on a bull. :(

      Dec 1, 2009 at 10:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Josh
      Josh

      Rick Warren says that abortion is a holocaust but he won’t say that executing all the gays is a holocaust???

      Dec 3, 2009 at 12:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @ no. 27 – Josh

      That’s because Prick Warren is a stupid, sadistic schmuck!!!

      Dec 3, 2009 at 3:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CyD
      CyD

      Ah politicians. What would we do without them? It’s this behavior that makes me wonder what is going on in people’s heads when they elect these people. No, I would rather blame the people than the politician for this stuff because they allowed it to happen… or should I say “we”?

      Dec 3, 2009 at 11:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lynn
      Lynn

      I don’t doubt Warren supports it.

      But what I really wonder about is why President Obama has said jack shit about it.

      Dec 4, 2009 at 12:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      No. 30 · Lynn – Its because they’re (not so) stange bedfellows and it would be like a fart under the covers.

      Dec 4, 2009 at 12:46 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      Bill, great minds think alike. LOL

      I was going to say something very similar to Lynn, but you beat me to the punch. HeeHee

      Dec 4, 2009 at 1:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Carlton W
      Carlton W

      If you want to kill your neighbor than all you have to do is tell people the person is gay. What a sick world we live in. That piglet Warren with his holier than thou attitude is sickening.

      Dec 5, 2009 at 5:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @ no. 33- Carlton W

      We hear much lip service being paid to freedom of speech even if the utterings are sinful.

      It would seem, however, that Prick Warren is exercising his right not to speak.

      No less harmful than speaking evil, he is still committing the sin of omission and it can do as much harm, if not more, as freedom of speech can.

      Let him look that up in his Funk & Wagnalls (Bible).

      Dec 5, 2009 at 7:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Patriotic Blonde
      Patriotic Blonde

      Warren definitely encourages divisiveness. The hottest borgia of hell is reserved for those who sit on the fence and do nothing no matter what side they are on. If Obama says or does nothing, what does that tell us? He’s from Kenya! I suspect that I love America more than our President seems to. And definitely more than Warren seems to.

      Patriotic Blonde
      aka Ms. LaReina

      Dec 8, 2009 at 12:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • killa
      killa

      faggots go die leave uganda alone we dont need ur gay money full of shit from ur screwed assholes

      Dec 8, 2009 at 2:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @36 – Killa

      Your name says it all!

      No further comment required.

      Dec 8, 2009 at 2:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bruce Wilson
      Bruce Wilson

      “Group Behind Uganda Anti Homosexuality Bill Expanding North America Effort”

      http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/12/9/113914/328

      Rick Warren’s Dissertation Advisor Leads Network Promoting Uganda Anti-Gay Bill

      http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/12/4/134435/084

      Dec 9, 2009 at 7:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      QUEERTY: “And like the crusaders before him, it sounds like Warren would be quite at home spreading what he thinks is god’s message beyond America’s borders”

      Warren is not exactly a crusader, which included colorful characters like Peter the Hermit and Walter the Penniless.
      The “Rick Warren” types of that time had enough sense to stay
      home. You didn’t see the Pope putting his ass on the line.

      Peter the Hermit was an effective rabble rouser, but (it seems) a rather unkempt individual who subsisted primarily on fish and wine. His followers were a rather rowdy and violent bunch of thugs. Rick Warren would have had nothing to do with them – the last thing a Rick Warren type needs is a congregation of people who would rob his collection plate at the first opportunity.

      http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/lecture25b.html
      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11775b.htm

      Dec 10, 2009 at 7:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John

      Please read this article again and understand that you are condemning a man for not doing anything which is ridiculous within itself. But he has made a statement and has been proactive on the situation see video below….I just hope that there was a retraction or at least a correction of this article after this video came out….me thinks no! but if I’m wrong send me the link and I’ll apolagize.

      Dec 16, 2009 at 9:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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