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Is Rick Warren Silent on Uganda’s Gay Murder Bill Because He Supports It?

Why is it so hard for Rick Warren, the president’s favorite pastor to rankle the gays, to disavow the proposed legislation that would make gay sex punishable by death in Uganda? For a man so devoted to Jesus’s compassion, Warren certainly has a ridiculous double standard when it comes to where and to whom that compassion is devoted.

Warren’s involvement with Uganda’s anti-gay bill stems from his relationship with Martin Ssempa, the Ugandan pastor backing the legislation. While Warren publicly stated he severed all ties with Ssempa, it’s no secret the pastor found welcome arms at Warren’s Saddleback Church.

And yet, Warren — who laughably claims things like never being against gay marriage — refuses to denounce an utterly deplorable bill led by a possibly-former associate.

“The fundamental dignity of every person, our right to be free, and the freedom to make moral choices are gifts endowed by God, our creator,” says Warren in a statement. “However, it is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations.”

That’s quite amusing, given Warren’s new found appreciation for all things non-America. Lately, he’s focused heavily on China; he told an audience earlier this month that “last Sunday there were more Christians who went to church in China than all of Europe combined.” And like the crusaders before him, it sounds like Warren would be quite at home spreading what he thinks is god’s message beyond America’s borders; he’s made plenty of in-roads to bring Anglican churches in America into the fold of Africa’s anti-gay clerics, as his visits to Uganda are more akin to one-man campaigns to encourage divisiveness.

On Meet The Press (see below video), Warren declared it not to be his job to interfere “with the political process of other nations.” But this is not about the laws of other nations.

This is about basic protections for human life. If a foreign lawmaker were calling for Christians to be executed, Warren would be there, leading the opposition. But when it comes to gay men and women, who, Warren supposedly does not wish ill, he’s not just remained painfully silent, he has, be fault, endorsed genocide against gay Ugandans.

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  • terrwill

    File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – Quick View
    HIPC, foreign aid to Uganda averaged. US$593 million per year. In the six years after. HIPC, it averaged US$783 million per year.

    As above the US averages 783 MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR to these sub human savages. Along with the death provision for suspected HIV persons. If you read the bill they punish ANY form of Gay sex by life in prison (anal/oral/even rubbing) If you simply know of a Gay person and do not report it within 24 hours you are sentenced to 3 years in prison. How the fuck is this able to happen?? Our tax dollars are funding these savages and despicable ways. And yet the “family” of rightwing-nutbag zealot lunatics senators and representives, along with Warren support this filth………………….

  • Scottie

    I hope this Warren creep is held accountable for this. It is completely hypocritical and unacceptable for someone in his position to keep quiet about something this heinous. My only comfort is knowing that he will be held accountable by his maker one day. That is one thing I know for sure.

  • Attmay

    @1 Terrwill:

    I will not pay a dime in taxes until:

    A. All gay and lesbian citizens are 100% equal under the law.
    B. No tax dollars go to foreign aid for countries that oppress gays.

  • AlanInUtah

    I can’t wait til the day when this bill passes and then someone accuses their president of being gay himself. There will be false claim after false claim accusing others of being gay, knowing someone is gay, etc… It will be total chaos and their society will fall because of it. What a stupid nation.

  • lil mongo

    I think the conservative fundamental mind works with the idea that homosexuality is a sin and that any law, secular or spiritual, that is against it is ultimately an expression of god’s will…so in this situation it is merely god doling out justice in the form of death, although distateful to warren, is much more closer to his ethics than say, gay marriage, which validates homosexuality…they say gay marriage is a slippery slope towrads bestiality? i say compassionate homophobia is a slippery slope towards genocide…

    btw doesnt he look like a dark and surlier version of falwell?
    looks like master warren back in the day was dipping into more than just his cotton accounts , huh?

  • Robert, NYC

    How totally arrogant for bigots like Warren to make statements such as…”the fundamental dignity of every person, our right to be free, and the freedom to make moral choices are gifts endowed by God, our creator.” Says who? How dare he assume that we’re all believers. Notice how he evades the issue when he says its not his place to intefere in the political process of other nations, the same sentiment that people like Obama would support. You can bet Warren and Obama would be interfering if it were right wing religious bigots targeted for the same punishment. Its so transparent where this bastard is coming from.

  • Bill

    “Is Rick Warren Silent on Uganda’s Gay Murder Bill Because He Supports It?”

    Of course he supports it.

    And I hate to break it to you, but I would guess that a MAJORITY of people would support this.

    People hate us. They want to see us dead. ‘People of God’ tend to be at the top of that list.

    As a gay man who flies under the radar, I get to hear all of the things that heterosexuals say about us when they think there are no gay people in the room.

    It is terrifying. To hear middle-aged professionals at my office talking about ‘moving us all to an island somewhere, then bombing the island’ and vile stuff like that.

    Heterosexuals, by and large, are not now, have never been and will never be our ‘friends.’ There are exceptions, of course, but if you think that this is any different than what the ‘religious right’ will ultimately try to do to Gay citizens in the U.S., you had better wake up and smell the Christian heterosexuals that are SURELY coming to get us.

  • terrwill

    Damm did I OD on cranbery sauce and land in an alternate universe here???? Not one person has posted some PC poo about “fighting bigotry with bigotry” or bitched about my calling the filthy savages who rule Uganda just what they are…………..Maybe when people take off the PC “tint my world rose colored” glasses and see that there are powerful lunatics in this very country who actually support imprisoning us (not denouncing the Ugandan legislation is the same as approving it). They are awakened to see just how twisted the agenda of these rightwing-nutbag zealot lunatics is………………

    And it seems strange Rick Warren has been very vocal in denouncing countries with prochoice laws on the books. Yet he can not bring himself to “interfere” with the Ugandan scumbags legislation. He and his type are much more dangerous than the raving lunatics like Rev. Fred (my grandson Jacob is Gay) Phelps. Warren,Fuckabee (who pardoned the accused killer of the four cops in Washington) and the “new breed” of conserative nutbags are learning to make their poison more easier to take, assuming the smiling “nice guy” persona. They’d be smiling the whole way as the Gays are marched into the chambers………..

  • Robert, NYC

    Terrwill, I agree with you, but don’t expect Obama and others to make any pronouncements, unlike Britain’s Gordon Brown who has spoken out on it, the only world leader so far.

  • Rocco Dominic

    You know, I’m a Christian myself and I’m disappointed in Warren. I’ll have to read more stories about this bill and Warren’s involvement in it, but from reading this article, Warren needs to step it up a bit. Homosexuality is a divided issue among Christians, (For the record I’m not anti-gay.) so part of me can see what Warren’s problem is. I’m not defending him, however. We Christians need to step up and meet people where they are, looking at them as people, not as gays, Christians, Pagans, Muslims, etc. Don’t think we’re all bad guys. Some of us are reasonable. =-D

    Hope this all made sense. Tired right now so it might be a bit fragmented. ;-)

    Btw did you all read the gay penguin story? That made my day. =-D

  • schlukitz

    Hey guys. Do we really need to bust our noodles trying to figure out if Prick Warren, along with probably most of his followers, want to see all of us murdered?

    He’s made his position on gays adamantly clear when he recently visited Uganda.

    Terrwill, the thread is still too new. Give the PC poo-slingers some time. They’ll show up, I assure you.

    They always do. ;-P

  • Keith Kimmel

    “No. 3 · Attmay

    @1 Terrwill:

    I will not pay a dime in taxes until:

    A. All gay and lesbian citizens are 100% equal under the law.
    B. No tax dollars go to foreign aid for countries that oppress gays.”

    And how do you plan to do that?

  • alan brickman

    Bye Bye Tax status…

  • Dan

    Contact the Ugandan Embassy staff in Washington D.C. and tell them what you think–in whatever temperate (or temperate) words you think appropriate. Call them now–operators are standing by!

    In fact, call them today. Then call them tomorrow. Then call them the day after that. Then the day after that… get the idea?!?!?

    [email protected]

    His Excellency Professor
    Perezi K. Kamunanwire >>
    Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary
    Tel: (202) 726 4758
    Fax: (202) 726 1727
    [email protected]

    Mr. Charles Ssentongo
    Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM)
    Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 110;
    Fax: (202) 726 1727
    [email protected]

    Col. Leopold Eric Kyanda ‘psc’ (K)
    Defence, Army, Navy and Airforce Attaché
    Tel. 202 726 7100 ex 104
    Fax: 202 726 1727
    [email protected]

    Mr. George N. Ndyamuba
    First Secretary
    Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 103;
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    [email protected]

    Mr. Michael Abooki Karugaba
    Second Secretary
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    Sam Bhoi Omara
    Second Secretary
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    Rosebell Kirungi
    Third Secretary
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    Ms. Rebecca Mwesigwa
    Personal Secretary to the Ambassador
    Tel: (202) 726 7100 ex 108;
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    Ms. Tatyana Owampuro
    Consular Assistant
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  • naghanenu

    Gee thanks..Terrwill et al, for refering to me as a subhuman savage.I am sure my dad(who is African) will be thrilled. Nice!

    Uganda,like many African countries, have a lot and i mean a lot of issues with homosexuality. Not only are they deeply religious but their cultures tend to frown on it. I admit that. I lived there for a while. They simply refuse to understand anything outside what they consider normal. Fine, call them annoyingly bullheaded. But that is their stand as a country…it sucks.

    However I m not sure what you expect or want Rick Warren to do. Queerty, i swear, you post topics like a petulant two year old. You intentionally cornered a pastor you know is not pro gay marriage and are attacking him. Why? Is he a great or even influential political person? Is he somone can actually make any difference on the Uganda bill? Do you assume you are calling out his hypocrisy? What is your problem?

    Instead of whining amongst yourselves..what are you doing about it? Who have you contacted? How are you helping ur gay brothers and sisters in Uganda?


  • John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

    @ Naghanenu

    I agree with quite a bit of your post but use the word “it sucks” for the bill that Uganda is proposing is patronising, insane and insulting, plus deeply disturbing.

    But what are YOU doing? Or YOUR Dad?

    How sad that people the same culture can’t get support from others of the same and have to go with a begging bowl to a completely different culture?

    American Gays barely get any support in their onw country lol, not sure they can try and help gay from Uganda.

    This is a human right issue. The UN and the US govt should be the ones reacting to this..

  • schlukitz

    @ No. 15 – Naghanenu

    I go with John From England on this issue.

    What are YOU doing? Or YOUR Dad? After all, Africa is YOUR country, not ours.

    It’s disingenuous of you to say you deplore the homophobia of African countries and then sloff-it-off on American gays as if it is their problem to deal with.

    Insofar as your giving Rick Warren a pass on this disgusting issue, a so-called man of God, should be profoundly disturbed by the proposed anti-gay legislation of the Ugandan President…and should be willing to say so, even if there is nothing he can personally do about it.

    Prick Warren’s silence (and that of Mr. Obama) speaks volumes about his own homophobia. You do recall his trip to Uganda to meet with President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni for the purposes of schmoozing (read kissing ass), do you not? Warren knew about this impending Ugandan legislation right from the very beginning and said nothing against it.

    His only reason for visiting the President was for the purpose of extending his empire and bringing it to Africa to sucker-in more souls who are too weak to think for themselves and need someone to lead them around by the nose, like the hooked, religious fundamentalist junkies right here in the USA.

    John is absolutely correct. This is a human rights issue. On an individual level, there is little anyone can do to prevent this madman (Museveni)from carrying out his horrendous crime against humanity.

    The UN and the US government should be the ones acting on this.

    The fact that we are not hearing from them, also speaks volumes.

  • schlukitz

    @ No. 8 – Terrwill

    You see, your worst fear did come to fruition in post no. 15. LOL

  • schlukitz

    @ no. 10 – Rocco

    Thank you for sharing with us. You do indeed, sound reasonable :)

    We need more of that. Reasonableness, that is.

    Thank you for visiting our site and please, feel welcome to share your thoughts, feelings and comments with us any time the spirit moves you.

  • tealdeer

    I’m not sure what Rick Warren’s motivation for tweeting this today was, but I find the timing interesting:

    “Globally last yr 146,000 Christians were put to death because of their faith. No one, except Christians, said anything.”


    I, perhaps, uncharitably, interpreted it as RW being peeved at what he perceives as bias against Christians, when Uganda killing gays is met with outrage but other governments’ murder of Christians supposedly isn’t.

    Nevermind that (as I was able to find with a 30-second Google) Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the US State Department all spoke in condemnation of the persecution of Christians in the last year.

  • Bill Perdue

    Forget Warren, he’s just your typical christer bigot. The real question is: What’s Obama going to do to rein in scum like Warren and McClurkin.

    1) The only documented source of the homohating and violence against our communities in Uganda and much of neo-colonial post-colonial world) are abrahamic cults, mainly christers and islamists, who brought bigotry with them and imposed it, slavery, their cults and the theft of resources and land with bayonets.

    Religion is the enemy.

    Homohating was part of the Europeans general tactic of using superstition, racism and misogyny to divide and rule.

    2) Warrens support for Obama, expressed when he gave Obama a podium to bellow out how much he opposed same sex marriage was organized by Obama’s director of christer, read bigot, outreach, Josh Dubois, who also organized Obama’s use of Donnie McClurkin to get an ‘in’ with bigots. Warren was rewarded by being given his own podium, an audience of billions at the Inaugural.

    3) We can demand it, but it’s unlikely that either Obama or Hillary Clinton will condemn Warren or their other far rightist christian supporters for supporting ‘ethnic cleansing’ against our communities. It’s even more unlikely that the either Obama or Hillary Clinton will charter aircraft and announce that any people fleeing murderous nations and states like Iraq, Iran, Nigeria, Mississippi, Puerto Rico, Jamaica, Italy or some of the former Soviet territories will be offered asylum and social services for as long as needed.

  • John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

    @ schlukitz

    But to be fair, where is HRC? Are they not international or is it my miscomprenhension?

  • schlukitz

    @ John

    Thank you for the two articles. Interesting…and scary, indeed.

    And Yes. Where is HRC? They too, are eerily silent on the matter.

    But then again, as we have learned from CA and ME, anything they have to say is of very little, if any, value anyway. A bunch of stuffed shirts filled with hot air.

    All they want, is for us to keep sending them money to finance their black tie dinners so they can continue to schmooze with the politicians in Wash. DC.

    As useless as tits on a bull. :(

  • Josh

    Rick Warren says that abortion is a holocaust but he won’t say that executing all the gays is a holocaust???

  • schlukitz

    @ no. 27 – Josh

    That’s because Prick Warren is a stupid, sadistic schmuck!!!

  • CyD

    Ah politicians. What would we do without them? It’s this behavior that makes me wonder what is going on in people’s heads when they elect these people. No, I would rather blame the people than the politician for this stuff because they allowed it to happen… or should I say “we”?

  • Lynn

    I don’t doubt Warren supports it.

    But what I really wonder about is why President Obama has said jack shit about it.

  • Bill Perdue

    No. 30 · Lynn – Its because they’re (not so) stange bedfellows and it would be like a fart under the covers.

  • schlukitz

    Bill, great minds think alike. LOL

    I was going to say something very similar to Lynn, but you beat me to the punch. HeeHee

  • Carlton W

    If you want to kill your neighbor than all you have to do is tell people the person is gay. What a sick world we live in. That piglet Warren with his holier than thou attitude is sickening.

  • schlukitz

    @ no. 33- Carlton W

    We hear much lip service being paid to freedom of speech even if the utterings are sinful.

    It would seem, however, that Prick Warren is exercising his right not to speak.

    No less harmful than speaking evil, he is still committing the sin of omission and it can do as much harm, if not more, as freedom of speech can.

    Let him look that up in his Funk & Wagnalls (Bible).

  • Patriotic Blonde

    Warren definitely encourages divisiveness. The hottest borgia of hell is reserved for those who sit on the fence and do nothing no matter what side they are on. If Obama says or does nothing, what does that tell us? He’s from Kenya! I suspect that I love America more than our President seems to. And definitely more than Warren seems to.

    Patriotic Blonde
    aka Ms. LaReina

  • killa

    faggots go die leave uganda alone we dont need ur gay money full of shit from ur screwed assholes

  • schlukitz

    @36 – Killa

    Your name says it all!

    No further comment required.

  • B

    QUEERTY: “And like the crusaders before him, it sounds like Warren would be quite at home spreading what he thinks is god’s message beyond America’s borders”

    Warren is not exactly a crusader, which included colorful characters like Peter the Hermit and Walter the Penniless.
    The “Rick Warren” types of that time had enough sense to stay
    home. You didn’t see the Pope putting his ass on the line.

    Peter the Hermit was an effective rabble rouser, but (it seems) a rather unkempt individual who subsisted primarily on fish and wine. His followers were a rather rowdy and violent bunch of thugs. Rick Warren would have had nothing to do with them – the last thing a Rick Warren type needs is a congregation of people who would rob his collection plate at the first opportunity.


  • John

    Please read this article again and understand that you are condemning a man for not doing anything which is ridiculous within itself. But he has made a statement and has been proactive on the situation see video below….I just hope that there was a retraction or at least a correction of this article after this video came out….me thinks no! but if I’m wrong send me the link and I’ll apolagize.


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