You’ve got to be fucking kidding us:
A group of reggae artists, backed by their record label, will openly embrace their heterosexuality this upcoming Labor Day weekend.
“Although reggae is known for its militancy and its resistance to injustice,” TCOOO Productions proclaimed, “the reggae community has remained calm throughout the attack on the music by Peter Tatchell and other Gay activists (sic) groups.”
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“The Straight Pride Parade is a chance for Heterosexuals to gather together and proudly embrace their sexuality,” said reggae artist Jango Fresh. “The Parade will also allow reggae and dancehall fans who are in New York City for the Labor Day celebrations to get together and celebrate reggae, dancehall and family in love and unity.”
Yes, because tracks condemning homosexuality are all about love and unity. Gawd!
hells kitchen guy
The point is, I think they ARE kidding you.l
Andy
Well, if they aren’t kidding, could we take photos of them in their outlandish clothing, and post articles on dozens of websites pointing out what a bad example these marijuana-smoking degenerates are for kids? The idea of them marching in public where unsuspecting people can see them is completely disgusting!
emb
Isn’t, like, EVERYDAY a celebration of heterosexuality? Short of M/F cunnilingus in the streets what more can these snogging, handholding, tongue-wrestling, intertwined men and women DO to Celebrate Their Sexuality as they walk down the street?? Once again, straight people are demanding special treatment, and forcing their behavior on innocent passersby, some of whom are little children and elderly homos. Disgusting.
emb
Good heavens, Andy, you beat me to my satire!
Olive Yurdich
Dreadlocks are nasty!
Woof
I will be in the roped off area with my “Straights burn in hell” sign.
todd
Reg-gay!!!
CHURCHILL-Y
KILL BATTYMAN YEA MAN!!!
Rick Heintz
I think people dress in white fabric and carry guns…Oh, my bad, that’s white pride.
CHURCHILL-Y
“tracks condemning homosexuality”, If only they were so benevolent as to just condemn. No Queerty these Apes routinely call-out for our assassination:
“World is in trouble
Anytime Buju Banton come
Batty bwoy get up an run
At gunshot me head back
Hear I tell him now crew
“Its like Boom bye bye
Inna batty boy head
Rude boy no promote no nasty manâ€
“The event is planned for August 31, 2008 in Brooklyn, on the same route as the Caribbean Labor Day parade.”
Doesn’t surprise me. If there is a # 1 homophobic area within NYC it has to be that repulsive section inhabited by West Indians. Whenever they see something remotely Gay you can see the hate in their faces, anyone who’s on that area please be careful.
These people are genetically disposed to kill and have a particular homicidal button switch on when it comes to Gays.
Thom
Woof, I will also be out there with my signs as well, “Heterosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God; that’s why He created gay people.” See you there!!!
blake
“Apes.” “Genetically disposed to kill and have a particular homicidal button switch on when it comes to Gays.”–Church-Nazi
Hitler would be proud of you Church-Nazi. Your belief in genetic inferiority and behavior. Ah, too bad your hero would just as soon as see you gassed…Your knowledge of genetics is inversely proportional to your ignorance.
Do you suppose the white male killers of Michael Sandy, Gwen Arujo, Lawrence King, Brandon Teena, and Matthew Shepard were also genetically disposed to kill?
Was the white male murderer of Harvey Milk genetically disposed to kill?
Were the white males who murdered 12 million Jews, Roma, gays, and others genetically disposed to kill?
Was the white male Joseph Stalin genetically disposed to kill 40 million human beings?
Were the white males who gave small-pox infected blankets to Native Americans genetically disposed to kill?
Were the white men who firebombed a church killing 4 little African-American girls genetically disposed to kill?
Was Christopher Columbus, who devised rules that led to the genocide of the natives of Hispanola, genetically inclined to murder?
Was Belgian King Leopold, whose lust for wealth and power ordered that Africans in the Congo be slaughtered and have limbs cut off for not delivering a bounty to his local representatives, genetically inclined to kill? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3516965.stm
Was John Wayne Gacy who butchered teenagers and young men genetically disposed to kill?
Were the nice white male soldiers who raped and murdered a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and then killed her family genetically disposed to kill?
All of these white males who commit horrific murders. Could Church-Nazi be right about a homocidal “racial” genetic component?
I wonder, Church-Nazi, are you genetically disposed to commit atrocities?
P.S.
Dumb ass, read a frickin’ book on genetics. There is no genetic basis to race. Moreover, genetic surveys of Caribbean immigrants to the UK show that 40% of “black” males have white male ancestors. This is reflected in their Y chromosome.
Alexa
This is no different to the KKK and other hate groups. Disgusting.
beelzebab
Er, Blake, I hate to pour urine on your parade but there does seem to be a direct connection between anti-gay attitudes and skin colour.
NO?
At least in my experience, anyway, but who am I to dare argue against YOUR expertise in the matter.
I mean we’re not talking about deranged individuals here but whole black/arab cultures that are passionately, hysterically anti-gay and are murderously so.
Trenton
Beel, what the hell are you talking about? Blake was making a point about the fallacy of genetic predisposition for hate and violence on a racial level. Anti-gay attitudes based on skin colour? Try anti-gay attitudes based on theocracies and post-colonial cultures and you might find a slightly more viable correlation.
Blake’s point doesn’t excuse this sort of barbarity. It simply refutes the idea that only certain races are hard-wired to hate and murder. Frankly, I can’t believe this debate even exists in the year 2008…let alone on a board frequented by members of a minority which has members of every race and creed on this planet. How obtuse can you possibly be?
Shabaka
They’re so not kidding. This protest has been in talks for weeks now and will be executed. Those of you who care to send them your thoughts, they can be reached on this website http://www.myspace.com/tcooo
beelzebab
Trenton, What I am talking about is the direct correlation that exists between skin colour and hysterical anti-gay attitudes and violence – whether or not it is cultural of racial I don’t mention, I just draw your attention to it.
I know you’ll refuse to answer but are you denying this connection???
Thom
There is no connection between anti-gay attitudes and skin color. Last time I checked, I was equally liked and disliked by people of all ethnicites regardless of skin color. Isn’t Congress primarily white and yet, they do more harm to me than anyone else. This hysteria regarding people of color in the GLBT community is going to continue to cause people of color who are GLBT to feel not included.
beelzebab
Thom, last time I checked there were safe countries for gays to travel to- eg mainly white countries the USA and Europe but also japan, probably china as well.
The countries I would not dare go near include iran, iraq, indeed all muslim countries, ALL african countries, bar South africa
Oh, Look all the unsafe countries for gays are NON WHITE.
DOH
Clearer now, or are you still going to deny this fact?
Brandon
yea while genetics isnt really a factor, culture certainly is for hate.
i remember when Oprah did her homosexuality around the world and i specifically remembered they are EXTREMELY homophobic in Jamaica. not to mention ive talked to some jamaican people on different boards and they dont deny it.
Trenton
No one will deny that those countries are homophobic…but are you really suggesting that it is a race issue and not a cultural one. Of so, I beg you to go to South Georgia and wave a few rainbow flags and see how you are embraced by the whites there.
Oh…and you clearly don’t know shit about Japan either. Homophobia is still rampant there. DO you know since when? Why…since the white Victorians moved in and told them that Japan’s complacency in allowing homosexuality to exist without reprisal was just another way that Japan was backwards, another way that need to be fixed by the British empire. Now, just because Japan is so non-violent that ANYONE is safe just about ANYWHERE you go, there is no physical violence against gays…but there is emotional and economic violence as you essentially become blacklisted, ostracized, and ridiculed to the point that most Out Japanese men work either for themselves or in gay bars. You are fucked in the business world.
So they just live double-lives instead, and keep quiet for or against it, unlike the closeted white-bigots in our country, who actually speak against it while they troll for sex.
Oh…but you wouldn’t know anything about trolling, would you?
SeaFlood
Right, but the elements of hate within POC cultures is usually there because colonialization. Do your homework! You’ll find that there were homosexuals in many of these cultures and they were generally revered as shamans and holy people. Needed by the community.
So, that hate you note within certain cultures of color, that note of homophobia? That’s something those European cultures *infected* cultures of color with.
What this all means is that make sure you understand what you are looking at and try to figure out how it got to be that way. Now, I am not defending homophobia, but I have to chime in with all the wonderful people who are making sure to create a line between homophobic people acting stank and conflating homophobic people and people of color, esp. of African descent.
Like Thom said, “Isn’t Congress primarily white and yet, they do more harm to me than anyone else.” And endorsed or perpetuated hate and violence against us and they are white and of OUR culture as Americans.
Also, my dreadlocks are FABULOUS.
Insecurity Will Kill You
I am new to gay blogs but one thing I have noticed in the few that I have visited, is that there is a lot of racial animosity (jealousy) expresed. One contributing fator that may cause this is the high level of vanity and insecurity that exist amongst many gays. The combination of vanity and insecurity will cause these people to look for others to denigrate and criticize in order to make themselves feel better.
We all know that dark-skinned people, especially from from Africa and the Middle East, are a higher life form in intelligence and human adaptability. So its no surprise that a lower-level of life form who is vain and insecure would target this group for criticism. If they can denigrate those that are actually superior, they can convince themseleves that they are better.
But hey, I’m no psychologist, so they could just be redneck bigots who happen to be gay (who also probably happen to have a fetish for dark meat).
Either way, they are totally fucked in the head.
Afroguapo
Homophobia is not the exclusive province of POC or those of African descent, look at Poland, Russia and Hungary and it’s just as malevolent and rife. As far as the islands, I attribute it in part to (i) these cultures placing too much emphasis on biblical/koranic verse and having draconian views of the bible/koran due to religious indoctrination and buying into it hook, line and sinker, (ii) a pathological obsession and erroneous notion of equating homosexuality with passivity, submission, or molestation/prison/rape/violence finding it revolting that a man would want to be penetrated by another man. As I mentioned previously, aside from oral histories, there are written accounts of male rape of black men and boys (in addition to black women) during slavery by white slaveholders as a form of subjugation/conquest and (iii) Western men flaunting their sexuality or being flamboyant — although their right — which offends their sensibilities in their homelands (think Southern Decadence, White Party — no pun intended — circuit queens or Folsom Street Fair meets Bermuda, Barbados or St. Kitts — traditional places).
mark
Acting as if a straight parade is a NEW idea is funny as sh*t, I go back to 2 yrs after Stonewall marching in Pride, and every year some dork proposes a straight parade. What is demeaning and laughable is they get about 20 bigots to march and OUR pride fesivals attract hundreds of thousands.
Reggae artists…bring it on, and Record Labels carrying these artists, LGBT consumers won’t just not buy your Reggae artists CDs, we won’t buy your other artist’s CDs EITHER.
CHURCHILL-Y
Someone indoctrinated my Great great great great
great great great great great great gran daddy
when he was a slave with homophobia/bigotry and that’s why now 400/300/200 years later I need to behave like a rabid homophobe and perpetrate violence upon Gays to keep my heritage alive. Darn those colonial enslavers look at what they are making 21 century people do!
With this type of thinking being prevalent amongst people of color both Homosexual/Hetero is it any wonder why these people are always in conflict and political unrest. Blame it all on the Europeans. Well GLBT people of color (especially those who are black)blaming others who are not even alive (haven’t been for at least 200 years) for your racial counterparts stupid homicidal/criminal behavior will only get you so far as those same criminals allow you to.
Butterpantz
I’d rather be gay than a Jamaican any day. A shitty little crime-ridden dump…I never know why anyone goes there on holiday. Money talks so boycott and make sure your straight friends do the same.
Afroguapo
Uhm, prong 1, I was actually referring to missionaries converting Africans and Arab influence, not the actual slave experience in the new world. And where do you decipher black posters condoning acts of violence against gays? I think most of the blacks on here are saying that virulent homophobia is not the exclusive domain of blacks when whites and other groups exhibit hate against gays as well. For the person, I believe Beetlejuice, who questioned why some blacks are anti-gay, I was merely positing theories as to why, which is all together different from sanctioning or endorsing such ill behavior. Going shrill and ballistic is not the answer but rather judicious reasoned thought. Entiendes, Afro.
Afroguapo
Seaflood nails it right when he references colonialism and its impact.
Afroguapo
Church
For further edification and elucidation on the matter, check Trenton’s post at #15 to help you grasp the most salient points.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aX2tbvQSmSvk&refer=europe
Besos y abrazos, Afro.
mark
Churchill-y
same racist post, different day
M Shane
They’ll be too fucked up to find the parade. I can’t figure where this hatred is coming from?
Part of America? All stupid, helpless people.
It has to be about feeling victimized and wanting someone else to project it on. So primative .
Brandon
“We all know that dark-skinned people, especially from from Africa and the Middle East, are a higher life form in intelligence and human adaptability. ” – Insecurity will kill you post #23
every race has their smart and dumb people, no race is superior.
“But hey, I’m no psychologist”
no shit. take even basic level high school psych and you will realize how retarded you sound.
BobP
Jamaica is the most hateful, homophobic country on the planet. They also have the highest murder rate in the world (they don’t even like each other). Nice, “Christian” folk, huh.
Boycott, boycott, boycott.
Let them have their parade so the world can see how backward, ignorant and hateful they really are.
Sarah R.
The racist comments on this thread make me sick and embarrassed.
Trenton
Take heart, Sarah. The handful of dingbats who spout that filth may not even believe it themselves… they may just be trying to make you sick and embarrassed. Sometimes it seems the most likely explanation.
CHURCHILL-Y
Mon amour, please tell me how Trenton’s apologetic argument for murderers and proud avowed homophobes is supposed to edify me and provide me with elucidation?
http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/30/a-bashing-in
Are you this hypocritical and twisted in every facet of your life or is it only when black people are involved?
Beaucoup de baisers et embrassades pour toi mon amour.
Sarah R.
/yawn
Eh bien on se tutoie mantainent, vous qui ne me connaissez même pas. Keep your hugs and kisses to yourself.
Trenton
Chilly, I repeat: It doesn’t excuse their attitude in any way shape or form. And this doesn’t bear repeating, but I will anyways because maybe (just maybe) it will sink through your skull one of these days: It isn’t a race issue; it’s a cultural one.
And (bonus!) I’ll repeat this, too, because you never fail to raise the bar: How obtuse can you be?
afrolito
The ugly racism and stupidity on this site never ceases to amaze me.
TuxedoLaugh
are you serious? This is stupid.
Social and economic standings of a country or culture trump race and genetics any day when it comes to stuff like this. Don’t be stupid and say black people are more prone to homophobia. A black from Jamaica is just as prone to this behavior as a white from Budapest.
Please consider this settled. This is a stupid argument. No at this point, it’s become a colorful display of pent up anger and hostility from all parties…sad.
RPCV
Well, here we go again. Leave it to the blacks to promote intolerance, hatred, and prejudicial behavior. I’ve written time and time again that the BLACKS, those poor BLACKS who have suffered so horribly at the hand of the supremacist whites and been denied equal rights, are once again on a rampage. The Congress should nullify all racial equality legislation, including affirmative action and voting rights, as well as access to entitlement programs. And, if the blacks don’t like it, they can move back to Africa on the American taxpayers’ dime as long as they sign a release certfying they’ll never return to the USA again.
CHURCHILL-Y
Oh Afro, you’ve made my day.Tu es pas si seul un hypocrite, mais aussi tu es bipolaire !
How fitting. Maintenant je comprends la raison de tes arguments incohérents.
Que spécial(comme ceux qui requièrent des classes particulières) que tu es, si c’est que celles-ci mal de la tête. JE T’AIME MOIS !
ChristopherM
Good god you two ignorant racist-ass motherfuckers make me want to commit a hate crime.
Alacer
wow…once again I find myself reading the kind of drivel that normally happens in the less evolved regions of the internet. grow up…god.
mark
RPCV and Churchill-y
2 turds that won’t flush
MJ
LOL. This is too funny. Horrid, yes, but funny. The way some gays are trying to squirm out of dealing with this march. When will the politically-correct gays stop bringing about their own destruction by still trying to link themselves with every other minority. Most blacks, from the Carribean to Africa, from hiphop to holy rollers, hate you. (Though, with their crime rate against each other, which has gotten ever worse since the Civil Rights movement, I don’t see how they can criticize anyone at all). And the excuses don’t cut it (“It’s because of colonialism!!” yeah, right). Disclaimer: There are exceptions to every rule, and I certainly don’t mean this of EVERY person of African, or part-African, descent. The individual is always the most important aspect of anything. And I’m probably voting for Obama.
CitizenGeek
RPCV and Churchill-y should not be allowed post their racist garbage on this site. I think Queerty ought to ban them, but that’s not going to happen :/
Trenton
MJ…read a little more closely, won’t you? The parade is not being excused. We all abhor the idea and admit that the people who are doing it are hateful and ignorant. The only reason that colonialism was brought up was because certain people were saying that it was an issue of race, and us “politically-correct” queers had to argue that it was an issue of culture, which was influenced and informed by European culture.
There is no excuse for this hatefulness, and—I will say flat-out—I particularly resent this sort of hatefulness from immigrants. To them I ask, “What are you doing in a country where the goal is ostensibly equality and freedom if you wish to marginalize, oppress, and threaten violence to others?” The same can be asked of many born here, but the onus is particularly placed on those who choose to come here.
No matter. From other things that you sid, you clearly have racist tendencies like C-Hilly and RPCV and so I don’t expect you to take anything from this…except perhaps that us “politically-correct” queers do not take defamation lightly: neither from these straight-pride bigots or from bigorts such as you.
MJ
Trenton : If I’m a racist because I think Africans and African-Americans are dysfunctional as groups when compared to Caucasians then so be it. I don’t care about the label. I also think Asian-Americans have higher I.Q.s than Caucasians. I’ve read too much history, had too much personal experience, and read too much modern data and statistics not to have come to my conclusions. And I’m well-familiar with every argument against my beliefs. (I still do think, although we can generalize, every individual matters most and has the potential for anything and must be taken as an individual).///// Also (except for the farfetched “colonialism” wishful theory), I wasn’t referring to anyone on here trying to avoid the issue of that march. I meant the other p.c. activists who are ignoring it 100 percent.
Trenton
“I still do think, although we can generalize, every individual matters most and has the potential for anything and must be taken as an individual.”
If you truly believe that, then I apologize for implying that you had those tendencies. But I would still refrain from calling racial groups ‘dysfunctional’. Wouldn’t you agree that it’s a far more complex matter, which involves development, culture, and poverty more than ethnic background? Even I.Q. is affected by these external circumstances and not solely based on natural aptitude, as the tests are skewed toward individuals with skills in particular areas which can be trained or emphasized through education.
And as for the post-colonial influence…It isn’t a wishful theory. It’s demonstrable and well-documented that these cultures were inculcated with homophobia (and, in some cases, greater misogyny) through colonial influence, whether by emulation or in reaction to oppression. But as you claim to be so well-read, I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before you learn more on the subject from a more credible source than some anonymous fellow on an internet message board, so I won’t harp on the matter any further.
Trenton
PS: It is most often in homogeneous and developing countries that you see the most racism and homophobia, belying a correlation between prejudice and ethnic heritage, so it is easy to make the leap from culture to race…and your emphasis on statistics suggests why you then take that leap. But though it is true that race and culture are inextricably bound historically, this is changing. For better or for worse.
beelzebab
Tch Tch, just when all the deniers and anti-racists thought they had won the day what do we have? An attack on a gay juveniles hostel in NY by effnik juveniles.
http://www.queerty.com/four-arrested-after-attack-on-gay-youth-shelter-20080709/#comments
“Three of the suspects were identified by the police as Shara Mozie, 17, and Tyreek Childs, 17, both of 24th Street, and Trevaughn Payne, 16, of 34th Avenue, all in Queens.â€
Scrufffy
My best fag hag friend married a Jamaican man. He was a nice, quite fellow. However, when it came to gay matters he was a complete asshole. He could not believe why i would “choose” to be gay? Or how I would let another man violate my masculinity by getting fucked in the ass. Nothing could change his mind that i didn’t have a say in being gay or not, that it wasn’t a choice. It was pretty much the same for his Jamaican buddies. What a bunch of ignorant douchebags.
PS: my friend didn’t last three years with him, he skipped out leaving her with two babies to support. Bastard.
Afroguapo
It’s quite unfortunate that some posters seemingly abdicate any sense of social responsibility in being reasoned, accurate and civil in their postings simply because they are anonymous. It’s also unfortunate that Queerty SEEMS (although it could be coincidental) to fan the flames in order to generate more hits and permits hatemongers unfettered access to post the most outrageous hate fueled comments with no Terms of Service. Trenton makes some very cogent points and I just wish the bar were raised such that it wasn’t a race to the bottom/gutter for some of you. Indeed, the influences of socio-economic status, religion, geography, education, etc. are more determinative than one’s race being dispositive of the potential to be a virulent homophobe. And although Blake pointed out the fallacy and stupidity of castigating an entire group for the bad actions of some (post at #12), Beelz nonetheless resorts to the same simplistic tactic. I once saw an interview with Director Paul Verhoeven who said that straight white men are the only people who get to be judged as individuals and it seems on its face to be true as so many of you are making blanket assertions as fact with no nuance or incisiveness like Trenton. It’s like saying ALL gays are promiscuous libidinous sluts who do meth, coke and poopers when we know that is not the case. And regarding this demographic, then making the false assertion that it’s our second nature or part of our makeup as gays rather than a homophobic biased society that makes some gays respond by trying to self-medicate to stave off or dull the pain of alienation or shame and not adapting to the status quo. Seems like some of you gays have been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh.
Afroguapo
Yep Scruffy, prong ii at post #24.
Trenton
Beelz: How good of you to ignore the premeditated attacks in Hungary, perpetrated by a militant and organized group of caucasians but focus on an the hooliganism of four little hooligans in NY. And while we’re at it, let’s take a look at this post, shall we…
http://www.queerty.com/nyc-council-hopeful-pledges-gay-support-20080707/
Goshamighty! They certainly look like a racist, homophobic lot, don’t they?
Thank you for the compliments, AG.
CHURCHILL-Y
The difference of course being that in Hungary members from that Nation’s government from the Prime Minister to a “Hungarian Member of European Parliament” are calling out for actions against such behaviors so that they do not get repeated in the future.
While the violent acts and homophobic “str8” marches acted out by those poor misunderstood under privileged “hooligans in NY” who range from 15 years of age to way over their golden years are being overlooked by members of any prominence of both the black and Jamaican community. In the latter more often than not its applauded and seen as something to be celebrated as the scheduled march demonstrates.
Trenton
Since when is it the responsibility of the “black and Jamaican community” to decry and condemn the actions of each and every criminal act perpetrated by a group who happen to be black? The reason it has turend political in Hungary is because there was an complacency in allowing the attacks to happen by the police and, by extension, the whole political institution. It is not the job of the “black community” to police and respond to such acts as this. Your notion that a unified “black community”, a nation within a nation, exists is laughable and further testimony to how much you see them as completely separate than the rest of America. You’v gone from conflating cultural issues with ace issues to conflating community issues with race issues. I guess that’s a step up…or a step down…I’m not sure.
It is clear that homophobia is rampant in poor black (or poor white) communities, or in homogeneous cultures, or in developing nations…No one is denying it. But if a solution is to be reached, it will not be by focusing on race. Your perspective will not only perpetuate the problem by focusing on a specious causation, it will exacerbate the problem and feed further hate and prejudice.
Okaaaaayyyyyy
You know, reading all these posts reminds me of how privileged white gay people use the gay card to be racist and condemn people of color.
I think white people secretly enjoy bashing homophobic people of color just to get their kicks out of being subconsciously racist.
Trenton
Cram it, Okay [sic]. The few people who are making racist remarks here do not spak for all of us. Your statement that “white people” vent “subconcious racism” through this sort of bashing is overtly racist, so practice what you preach and don’t generalize.
Kyler
Well I’m supportive of this straight pride event, although I wish it were more than the regae boys but more all straight males. 🙂 Especially if they take the gay pride parades lead in wearing limited clothing. I’ll show up to watch them straights parade. lol
But seriously, if we can parade around proud I see no reason that they should not be able to as long as its solely about their pride in themselves and not distaste for their counterparts the g/l/b/t.
beelzebab
Afroguapo, I don’t think you’re quite tuned into planet earth, are you?
Are you seriously advocating that we all be silenced for pointing out what is staring us all in the face??? (The elephant in the room that you’re trying to deny is standing on our toes) Or that publishers like Queerty be prohibited from reporting the sheer number of VIOLENT attacks on gays by effniks?
Huh?
Thing is, believe it or not, (and quite frankly I don’t give a brown fingered butt fuck whether you believe me or not) I started out as a committed anti-racist, supported anti-racist groups at university, as a nice teenage lefty-but I have arrived today at a position of total disillusionment with the bad behaviour of blacks etc here in the UK and their propensity towards violence in general, and specifically aimed at gays and lesbians,
As exemplified by the scapegoating of gays by robert mugabe, that hero of african liberation, by jamaican hate music in support of which a huge crowd of demonstrators appeared outside the Home Office here in London demanding that we whites stop persecuting poor anti-gay hate singers.
By muslims marching through central london demanding death to gays.
I could go on and on listing the horrors, but I won’t.
Suffice it to say it is pretty fucking sad and desperate that you all continue to deny all this hatred directed at gays by effnik minorities – rather than acknowledge it and all of us try to find a way to end it, peacefully.
Until a problem is recognised it cannot be cured.
And it seems to me even sadder that most of your supporters on here leap on the eastern european thing to try and distract attention away from this problem. Yes, we know all about the problems in Hungary etc and are acknowledging it and working towards stopping it.
Are you doing the same with regards to black and muslim anti gay hate and violence?
No, of course you’re not, because you’re denying it happens or you’re forever finding justifications for it, or excusing it due to slavery or colonialism blah blah blah.
Trenton
“as long as its solely about their pride in themselves and not distaste for their counterparts the g/l/b/t”
1) It IS about distaste for us
2) Pride in themselves for being hetero? You clearly have now idea what gay pride is about. Heteros have no need to feel marginalized, threatened, dysfunctional, different, hell-bound, or any of the other nasty tags that have been placed upon us based on sexual preference. They have nothing to be “proud” of…and neither would we if we were treated equally. The idea of pride is to ultimately break dopwn those barriers so that sexuality (in terms of how people treat us on a daily basis) becomes a non-issue. You must be very blessed indeed to feel that it already is a non-issue and that this “straight pride” nonsense isn’t divisive (and a subverseive stab at us).
Trenton
“Suffice it to say it is pretty fucking sad and desperate that you all continue to deny all this hatred directed at gays by effnik minorities – rather than acknowledge it and all of us try to find a way to end it, peacefully.”
That’s precisely the problem with your argument Beel. You’ll never solve the problem peacefully if you try to put homophobia in blackface. How do you even suggest that it can be ended peacefully if it is an issue of race, which cannot be changed? Deportation? Eugenics? Conversion by the sword? It’s a war of ideology, one that cannot really be addressed even by diplomacy because religion often lies at the heart of it and that trumps all secular concerns.
It is not defeatist, I think, to say that we must ride out the storm: That we must work to guarantee our protection through civilized channels as these mobs (no matter the creed or color) continue to debase themselves and dwindle over time. In the mean time, remember this: Fundamentalism always increases during times of desperation because fear and uncertainty are the bread and butter of ideologues who consolidate their power by misdirecting the mob’s rage onto a convenient “other”. Mugabe is a prime example. So was Jerry Fawlwell. And McCarthy.
Guaranteeing our rights and preventing fundamentalism from gaining any further purchase in our societies requires empathy and tolerance. The unrest engendered by racism provides very fertile soil for these theocrats and fascists, so I repeat:
“It is clear that homophobia is rampant in poor black (or poor white) communities, or in homogeneous cultures, or in developing nations…No one is denying it. But if a solution is to be reached, it will not be by focusing on race. Your perspective will not only perpetuate the problem by focusing on a specious causation, it will exacerbate the problem and feed further hate and prejudice.”
Afroguapo
I am not advocating that people be silenced nor that Queerty stop posting these articles but rather that posters present points as though we’re on the debate team at university. It’s like the virtual “room” is filled with a bunch of rubes who only listen to Bob Grant and Don Imus. And it wouldn’t be that arduous of a task for Queerty to have a TOS such that it compels people on here to present their points as adults rather than as immature juveniles. I think it would foster constructive dialogue and weed out the posters whose only purpose is to be incendiary and offensive. See, a sample appears as follows:
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And actually, I do challenge homophobia among friends, family, etc. as well as racism.
CHURCHILL-Y
@ Beelzebab: This is Afro’s proposed modus operandi, silence or limit the opposing views especially when he has no concrete argument to refute what they are saying, I hope you got a good chuckle at his proposed Queerty Manifesto at # 66. Remember this is a person who’s on record of
admiring the Cuban/communist regime therefore anything that limits or coercively “refrain” behavior that’s not to his liking is all good and dandy to him. As for the other apologist for rabid homophobes, you will know that they will never fully acknowledge as we do with Eastern Europe the bigotry prevalent in those populations directed at us or they will partially acknowledge it by making a complete turn and blaming it all
on poverty/the colonial aftermath.
“because religion often lies at the heart of it and that trumps all secular concerns.”
-Trenton
So following your reasoning those same people should’ve embrace/be contempt and still be embracing ‘the concept’ of slavery. Since slavery was condoned by the Bible. Just shows how flaw your so called perspective is.
“The unrest engendered by racism provides very fertile soil for these theocrats and fascists”
Here we go, honestly seems you don’t get out that much do you? But even if all you do is Troll boards like this one hasn’t it dawn on you how many WHITE (in our case Gay white people) have often been on the side and working with people of color in anything that even smells of racial discrimination? Beelzebab although not in this Country is one of many who have gone through that route and look at where it has lead the UK. But no, you seem always to conveniently overlook those facts instead you always end up blaming every criminal act committed against us on some perceived racism engendered by the victims.
So what’s the solution you offer those of us who are on the receiving end? Keep doing more pandering to racial groups who range from seeing us as less than they are to those who plainly want to see us dead in the hopes that some day after a good number of us have been either killed off or are near our death bed those communities will tone down their hate and prejudice here in the USA and in the UK where they are immigrants.
Yes because in their countries of origin where they are the majority in control of their governments and where they can’t blame racism for their lot in life they sooo treat us as equals or even with some sort of human dignity, that its totally reasonable that once they achieve the same political and in some places the demographic equivalence that they have in their places of origin their attitudes and behavior will change.
CHURCHILL-Y
Kyler:
“The event is planned for August 31, 2008 in Brooklyn, on the same route as the Caribbean Labor Day parade.”
Being that you’re such a good sport not only with yours but with all of our humanity/dignity/safety and lifes, if you happen to be on NYC on the said date of the ‘event’ please do attend it.
And show up on that hateful West Indian enclave with either a rainbow flag or a T-shit of two men or two women kissing each other. I’m sure those ‘scantly clothed Jamaican males’ that you’re hoping to see won’t beat up the crap out of you and send directly to either the nearest morgue or clinic if you’re so lucky as to survive.
CHURCHILL-Y
* T-shirt of two men or two women kissing each other. (:
seitan-on-a-stick
As long as the straights stop ruining our gay events, like Halloween and (take the word Gay out of) Pride, they have the constitutional right to their paranoid declarations (we are just 2.3% of the population, not the much flaunted 10%) so as Lisa Simpson said loosely in translation, “Those who accuse others of being gay, often harbor the same feelings.” I have lived in both Flatbush and Crown Heights, Brooklyn and felt that there was too much violence in the Jamaican community driven by poverty, religion, anti-American sentiment and drug-related youth gangs with guns. A crackdown on immigration is probably inevitable given the second Great GOP Depression (when we really hit Rock Bottom.) As a former Hillary supporter and now ardent Barack fan (like there’s a choice in this duopoly) we left this site in large numbers only to be supplanted by the McCain-loving straight-gays (we call them KK-Gays) and kinda angry representations from albeit insecure gay folk of all stripes with racial gripes and Blog Anonymity. The colors of the rainbow flag have runneth over. If you are angry and just stay on the computer, get help. You probably need it!
Trenton
“So following your reasoning those same people should’ve embrace/be contempt and still be embracing ‘the concept’ of slavery. Since slavery was condoned by the Bible. Just shows how flaw your so called perspective is.”
You must be confused: I think that these people are hypocritical bigots who have a selective reading of their religion (like most soi-disant Christians). I do not excuse that.
“have often been on the side and working with people of color in anything that even smells of racial discrimination”
Very true. We were right to do it then, and we are right to do it now. Are you suggesting that we shouldn’t continue on this path with other minorities who aren’t hateful because of a few (or a great many) bad apples?
“But no, you seem always to conveniently overlook those facts instead you always end up blaming every criminal act committed against us on some perceived racism engendered by the victims.”
I still blame them. I do not mean to justify it. Get this straight: I only have to bring up the source of this hate to show that it is CULTURAL not RACIAL and that if anything it is because of the sins of the forefathers of whom you are so proud that we are in this situation. Can you really not separate the two concepts?
“So what’s the solution you offer those of us who are on the receiving end? Keep doing more pandering to racial groups…”
We are all still on the receiving end. There is to be no pandering. No excuses. But no confusion about the source of the problem. It isn’t a racial group. It’s an ideological group. Plain and simple. Attack the ideology and its sources…not a “racial group”. You’ll only alienate those who are already (or could be) on our side.
I really can’t believe that we are still debating this point. At times I think you are just playing devil’s advocate for kicks…but no one could possibly be so bored. And then I question my own sanity in responding to you, but silly idealistic me…
Kyler
I simply am saying censoring the straights from their pride parade, given that they do not display hatred toward us is something we cannot legislate or do anything about. If we do all of our civil liberties would be in jeopardy. We all know what the same laws used to say there can be no straight pride parade will be used for in places where homophobia is out of control.
My comment prior about wanting to see straight boys running around with shirts off was just my way of trying to find a glass half full approach to these crazy kids pride event.
Ro
Did the parade occur? I can’t find anything about it!