If either of these go anywhere and the church faces consequences for breaking the law I can already hear the cries of religious persecution.

The real crime here was, that as a 501c3 non-profit, they are barred from targeting the public with political propaganda, which most certainly is the case.

Do any of you even understand the importance of KOLOB and the KOKAUBEAUM?

Y'all bitches is treading into very deep spiritual mud with some VERY THIN PUMPS!

You had better carefully re-read your Books of Mormon about the Prophet Joseph's vision in the Sacred Grove before you start trampolining on the TRUE church.

"Tread carefully and carry a big dick.." is the advice I was taught long ago by a very wise (yet wall eyed queen) in Houston before learning to cruise Ruth Ann's.

I'm just warning you gulls…

The problem with all this is that these things are consistently misrepresented, note that in the photo section of this article the box next to the word "amendment" is not checked. The seeming intention of both what's said in this and other articles on this same point is to portray this like the Church is giving this information late, after it's required reporting time frame, or in response to the complaints. All of those implications are incorrect. The Church on this report was two days EARLY and the report on the 'in-kind' contributions that equaled some 180 something thousand was not a late reporting at all, there was no legal wrong doing in the timing of the report and the report was not given in response in any way to the previous complaint filed, nor to the investigations. This is all fodder for those seeking a convenient scapegoat to rally around to advance a fringe ideological agenda intended to reshape society completely.

And "IF," you have it wrong, they are not barred from participating politically when and where it's not tied to a specific political party or individual candidate. Churches have all the right in the world to speak out on matters of social, ethical, or moral matters when and where they come up. And if you want to finally get more accurate and you bring up the clause citing the limitation that is set to keep such non-profit organizations from using a "substantial" amount of their resources toward influencing an election you've got quite the job before you. I can assure you that the 180 something thousand dollars, and even the time spent, amount to nothing when you compare it to the scale of all the other church activities and efforts.

"Karger seems to want to drive that point home."

As well he should!

Those magical undies bastards have it coming. Let them get a taste of their own medicine and what persecution really feels like.

Then, just maybe, they will STFU and sit down for a change.

These are hard times and money is hard to come by. Retail stores are closing left and right, manufacturing facilities are downsizing and flirting with bankruptcy and the unemployment rate is increasing by leaps and bounds.

I say let them bankrupt themselves pursing persecution, bigotry, hatred and discrimination. We will rise to challenge each time they do. After, we have a lot more discretionary income than they do.

When they have run out of money, then they will have run out of ammunition. The war will then be over for these idiots and they can grumble and gnash teeth all they want, just as they had to do when they lost the battle for woman's suffage, slavery and black civil-rights.

"Morality which depends upon the helplessness of a man or woman has not much to recommend it. Morality is rooted in the purity of our hearts." – Mohandas Gandhi

@IntolerantFaith: even if that's true (which I doubt – there are freedom of speach issues) they'll be able to get away with it by claiming the propaganda was produced by a third party. In practice we all know that's bullcrap, since the Prop 8 campaign was virtually run from Salt Lake, but it'll be a bitch to prove.