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Islamic Preacher Lecturing In London Seen Outlining Ways To Kill Gay People

Sheikh Hamza Sodagar. Via Screenshot.
Sheikh Hamza Sodagar. Via Screenshot.

An Islamic preacher, Shaykh Hamza Sodagar, seen in a video outlining the various ways Islamic law calls for the killing of gay people, is lecturing over a number of days, continuing through October 12th at the Islamic Republic of Iran School in London.

Sodagar was born in Washington, D.C. and has spent the past 14 years studying Islamic law and principles, according to Express.

His talks started October 4 and run through October 12, and are supported by the Ahlulbayt Islamic Mission. The video clip, which has caused controversy and concern, comes from a 2010 speech on “Punishment According to Islam,” delivered at Saba Islamic Center of San Jose.

If there’s homosexual men, the punishment is one of five things. One, the easiest one maybe: chop their head off. That’s the easiest. Second, burn them to death. Third, throw them off a cliff. Fourth, tear down a wall on them so they die under that. Fifth, a combination of the above.

We have a hadith on that. Now whether somebody’s going to accept that, that’s up to the jurists to read and understand. There’s definitely, some of those apply. Now, maybe the combination. But that’s something that’s there.


In a statement released on Wednesday, the Ahlulbayt Islamic Mission claimed the video was taken out of context and is being misrepresented by “right-wing media.”

In remarks made in 2010, as part of a series of lectures delivered on mercy, love and hatred in Islam through a commentary of a supplication from the Islamic tradition, Shaykh Hamza explained the position of Islam on homosexuality, and that it is not compatible with Islam. This is a clear and undeniable position that is upheld by Islam as found in Islamic scripture and tradition. In this regard, it must be understood, as was mentioned in the very same lecture series, that Islamic penal code cannot be administered outside the framework of law-enforcement and legal process within a legitimate government.

De-contextualised excerpts of this series, were used by right-wing media to suggest that Shaykh Hamza was calling for ‘the beheading and burning of homosexuals’. This is untrue and a mischievous and malicious accusation to make.

To suggest that Shaykh Hamza is calling for the beheading and burning of homosexuals is laughable and absurd.

According to our understanding, it is precisely this irresponsible behavior that incites hatred and fuels racism and discrimination; and to this we shall not remain silent. We believe such entities intentionally seek to fuel divisions, stifle alternate voices and defame personalities that seek to make a positive contribution to society.

The full context of his comments can be seen below. His comments about homosexuality start around the 13 minute mark. After his statements found in the above clip, Sodagar reads a hadith questioning if love and hatred come from faith or are irrelevant to the issue.

“Is faith anything other than hate and love? Since all of faith, all of religion is based on love and hatred,” Sodagar says. “The concept of love and hatred are 100 percent related to the religion…If you don’t love the right thing you’re going to love the wrong thing. If you don’t hate the right thing you’re going to hate the wrong thing.”

His comments previous to those on homosexuality express his disdain for those who preach peace and love all the time, and for those who say they should not speak of hatred and punishment in a serious way.

Taken in context, the video calls into question the Ahlulbayt Islamic Mission’s statement. While Sodagar does say that Islamic penal code cannot be freely carried out, it does not appear as if he believes it would always be wrong for such punishments to be allowed. In fact, the opposite seems true.

He gives the following example, among others, as to why mercy is not always required:

One of the Jewish tribes that betrayed the holy prophet on multiple occasions – and they almost had the Muslims all killed – the way they were dealt with, according to this historical account, is all their men were killed. And according to the account, the holy prophet watched all this happen…This is the prophet of mercy.

The one that we just described last night, how merciful he was to the orphans, to the women, you don’t want to see his face in battle. You don’t want to come across this man in battle.

When it comes to Allah, when the time is right, when it is necessary: very violent.

He then predicts what is coming, and claims he is not spreading hatred or violence, saying:

I’m saying all of this, some of you are probably thinking, this is probably going to go online. People are probably thinking how they will take it out of context, ‘Oh, this Sheikh, you know, he’s spreading hatred and violence and all of that. No, we’re not trying to do that.

Look at the people that are telling you not to be violent. Who is spreading this information about, don’t be violent? Who is echoing it? It’s the same people that are the most ruthless, violent on earth. They don’t have mercy on children that haven’t committed a sin. They’re telling you violence is bad.

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114 Comments

  • Kieran

    Our new country is going to be GREAT.

  • Kieran

    Hillary PR Team @OnMessageForHer:
    Looking forward to the cultural enrichment and moral guidance these new arrivals will bring. You know what they say: more Muslims, more peace!

  • ChrisK

    “To suggest that Shaykh Hamza is calling for the beheading and burning of homosexuals is laughable and absurd.

    According to our understanding, it is precisely this irresponsible behavior that incites hatred and fuels racism and discrimination; and to this we shall not remain silent. We believe such entities intentionally seek to fuel divisions, stifle alternate voices and defame personalities that seek to make a positive contribution to society.”

    Zero ambiguity about it. He was offering advice on how to kill gay people. He said they should definitely be applied. Maybe some in combination and then laughs. I at least respect the little psychopath for being honest about it. Lying Mooslem scum.

  • ChrisK

    Oh yeah, my last point. Oh noes. We wouldn’t want to create a situation that incites hatred by replaying your own hate propaganda. Such fucking hypocrisy and lack of self awareness.

  • ChrisK

    Just more proof that religion and especially Islam is a joke and pestilence on mankind.

  • Alistair Wiseman

    “Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.”

    – Hillary Clinton

  • Xzamilloh

    And there you go, regressives…. a clear case of homophobia supported by Islamic fundamentalists, and the first go-to is cries of the R word and Islamophobia. Because that’s the worst thing regressives can be called and will stop at nothing to make sure they aren’t seen that way. Screw that shit. Thank you, Queerty for posting this story. The problem isn’t only the fact that an alarmingly high number of extremist and even moderate Muslims believe this, it’s that there are too many willing to carry out their beliefs.

  • Billy Budd

    I have met people and had close friends who were muslim. Although I am sure they thought being gay was wrong, they were true friends of mine and respected me and were as nice to me as I was nice to them. Not all muslims are insane like this religious leader. I truly believe that ALL religions are a type of madness and the belief in God is a dangerous delusion.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    This is an American problem, your laws regarding hate speech and incitement is ridiculous to say the least. If this asshole “Shaykh” was in Canada, his ass would have been pulled right before the Human rights commission.

    @Alistair Wiseman: If you think Islam to be your enemy, then you need to tell your scummy politicians to stay away from Muslim lands; stop propping up their dictators, and stop bombing others. When the chicken comes home to roost, don’t you dare start crying.

    Besides, I thought you people were all fine with unlimited free speech? What happened? Not happy when someone ass-hat Imam from Washington DC starts calling for our murder?

  • robho3

    Why is there so much hate in the world?

  • Brian

    Many anti-homosexual bigots are secretly bisexual. Their opposition to male homosexuality is a moral stance based not only on shame but also on the fear of the power of the male-male sexual dynamic that tempts them.

    In all straight-identifying men exists an uneasy treaty between the desire to breed with women and the desire to engage in cheap promiscuity. The latter can only be achieved with men.

  • Kangol

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: You can’t reason with them. This scumbag Muslim preacher needs to be locked up for inciting violence against LGBTQ people. He’s a radical Islamic nutcase and dangerous. But Christian preachers who urge that gay people be killed or cheered on Orlando are fine with these folks. Also so is Mike Pence, who just said the other day on the air that if he and Trump are elected, they’ll rescind all LGBTQ protections in the US. He said it, it’s on tape. But he’s not a Muslim. So he’s OK with them. All religious fanatics are a pestilence.

  • joeyty

    Most know the UK is a lost cause, and it will be under Shariah Law eventually. But if other countries can use it as a lesson on what to prevent……something good comes out of it.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Kangol: Absolutely correct Kangol; this disgusting Imam should of been held accountable for his hate speech, and the venue that invited him, be it a Mosque, or a Muslim center, should of been held accountable as well for being a venue that spreads hate speech against the gay community.

    Americans have created a culture where people can attack, insult, incite, and defame others under the garb of “free speech” – There is nothing free about what the Imam said; not only is it ridiculous, but to say im going to defend your rights saying such insanity is beyond any rationality.

    The Republicans on this site are the last people on the planet who should be crying over what this Imam said, their party wants to install Christian Shariah law across the United states – you reap what you sow when your citizens begin to attack the gay community shamelessly.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @joeyty: (Rolls eyes) – Joey shut up, just shut up, you sound like an @ss. I went to the UK last year, it didn’t look like Saudi Arabia to me.

  • joeyty

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: I said it’s due to become so, if you do the math. And 52 percent of Muslims there admit, now, that they want to see homosexuality made illegal.

  • Xzamilloh

    @Billy Budd: Really? Does that really need to keep being said? We already know it’s not all Muslims… hell, there are Muslims working to reform the religion, like Maajid Nawaz, who are actively calling on progressives to stop using this regressive language of “not all”, because guess what? NOT ALL people who are critical of Islam hate all Muslims, want them deported from America, killed and wiped off the face of the earth, or even want to force them to stop believing in their god. But it’s about high damn time some of you start facing the facts that these beliefs are a lot more mainstream than you think. That’s it’s not just ISIS and Boko Haram preaching death to gays. Your friends are the type of Muslims that need to be at the forefront tearing down the horrible parts of their religion instead of regressive rags like Buzzfeed and The Young Turks trying paint this pretty coat of paint of Islamophobia over any criticism of the religion.

    But hey… feels over reals, huh?

  • joeyty

    What’s so freaky is all the work western gays have done to achieve equality is now being tossed away rather than face the wrath of Islam. It’s almost like…..were gays REALLY always the weaklings they were stereotyped as ??

  • Xzamilloh

    Also, not all religions are created equal. Some, like Christianity, Judaism, and that the moment, ISLAM, are just demonstrably worse than other religions. How many stories do you hear about Buddhists. Taoists, and Hindus that live in other countries around the world?

  • joeyty

    @Xzamilloh: Christianity and Judaism aren’t so bad, anymore, and Hinduism has had a few violent sects recently. But overall I agree with your premise.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @joeyty: Lets put to the side that the poll you’re quoting is criticized to death in the UK itself; even if its true, that means half of 3% hate gays – It’s the responsibility of the government and society at large to integrate that 1.5%.

    One thing I agree with @Xzamilloh: on is this issue, this problem needs to be fought heads on; Imams just be held accountable for what ever version of Shariah law they are preaching – LGBT protection laws must be imposed, and reformist Imams must be helped to reform Muslim public opinion and religion.

  • barkomatic

    Lets not forget that the Christian Bible also calls for the death of gay people — but liberal minded Christians consider that part irrelevant. Likewise, the gay Muslims I know do the same concerning their religion. Since I’m a guy and I’ve slept with openly gay Muslim men, I can vouch for this. I think tolerance can be bred among Muslims, but I think that more people need to publicly condemn hate speech like what this guy is saying. Sadly, it would seem that condemning an extremist bigot has somehow become racist to some people.

  • joeyty

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: It’s not my fault that you find yourself in the funny position of being both gay and Muslim, and fearful of a growing holocaust from….one side or the other. But you’re safe and coddled up there in Canada so what the fuck do you care about what goes on down here?

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @joeyty: I see no issue with my Islam (spirituality) and my homosexuality (biology) – You’re the one who’s crying over the “UK being gone” – Also Canada is the nice apartment over the meth lab – you’re our biggest partner economically and financially, and we are neighbors, of course we give a sh*t on what happens to you guys.

    @joeyty: Stop moaning then, your candidate wants to repeal all kinds of hard fought laws that protect the American gay community.

  • joeyty

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: And I’m not voting for Trump to hurt or attack anybody else, I’m voting for him to protect myself and secure a safer future for myself as a gay man. I do think he’s the better choice for that.

  • joeyty

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: I didn’t say Trump was perfect, but I’d prefer him to Hillary admitting three million Muslim refugees into the country (not that either Trump nor Clinton is guaranteed to do what they say, but..)

  • joeyty

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: Okay, screw it then. Don’t complain about anything unless you leave the comfy Canadian burbs and go overseas to fight ISIS. Aren’t they slaughtering your fellow Muslims left and right ?

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @joeyty: I don’t know what to tell you Joey, both candidates are sh*t – I have no idea where you get this 3 million from, so what ever makes you feel fuzzy I guess.

  • joeyty

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: That’s the number she’s proposed. Another Pulse WILL be coming if she wins. Donald might rub people the wrong way, but at least he’s honest enough to suggest Ideology Tests for new immigrants to the U.S., to weed out the ones who can’t grasp that they won’t be living in a Theocracy anymore.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @joeyty: If the Canadian government has a force in the Middle East fighting ISIS directly, I would go.

    Also, the Iraqi government, the Iranian government, the Syrian government, the Lebanese government are all fighting ISIS.

  • joeyty

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: And, just stepping back and looking at it, you have some nerve criticizing me for hating Islam. I went through two terrorist attacks directly here in NYC, and my (close) buds in Paris went through more than one attack period. You live an easy life up in Canada. What gives you any right to critique how I believe ? Never mind….I know : the overwhelming right of the religious fanatic.

  • Bauhaus

    Despicable, slimy cretin.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @joeyty: What are you talking about? How do you know that?

    @joeyty: No I can’t, the Canadian government has a ban on travelling to Syria/Iraq.

    @joeyty: You truly think i’m a “religious fanatic”??

    Also you can hate on Islam all you want, it doesn’t really shake my beliefs in anyway – I just want you to be truthful. Telling people that the UK is a “lost cause” is as ridiculous as insisting on “no go zones” and “entire cities” being Muslim only.

  • Baba Booey Fafa Fooey

    Thank you for posting Queerty.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @joeyty: When? You’re such an @ss, no self respect at all.

  • Alistair Wiseman

    @Hussain-TheCanadian:

    And yet again, like clockwork, you live up (or down?) to your moniker, “Queerty’s Unofficial Muslim Apologist”.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Alistair Wiseman: Yawn, Queen please, unlike you, i face the extremists in my religion; you vote for yours.

  • joeyty

    @Alistair Wiseman: He is an apologist, yes, but he’s not as bad as SOME others here and on other gay blogs. I dealt with one guy today who was shrieking that WHITE Republican Christians were committing larger massacres of gays, every day, than any Muslims have done, but that the press was in on it and refuses to report it. I kid you not.

  • MediaGuy

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: You said to Joey, “so what ever makes you feel fuzzy I guess”. Hey, Joey, can I feel your fuzzy too? That’s my favorite.

  • o.codone

    The MooSlums that Hillary wants to coddle will show up at Pride and fuck with us. Just like this guy. So, why are the pussy gays voting for HRC? It’s some weird suicide thing I think. Gays cannot vote for a candidate like HRC who will destroy our communities with crazy Mooslim crackpots.

  • joeyty

    @o.codone: I’ve wondered if gays grew to NEED the being-hated status,and actually can’t stand the fact that everybody from Argentina to Amsterdam to some high school football player in Boise, Idaho, thinks being gay is totally okay. Therefore they’re trying to bring more foreigners and religious groups into the west to fill that need for homophobic threats.

  • Bauhaus

    @joeyty:
    Don’t give a f*ck that you think everyone else thinks being gay is totally okay. I demand legal equality and full citizenship in all aspects of society and won’t settle for less, you sycophantic twerp.

  • Baba Booey Fafa Fooey

    @Bauhaus: What good is any of that if you’re dead – or gays other than you are dead. Don’t be so selfish. Think about more than your wants. You don’t like Trump but Clinton will absolutely not protect from men like this guy – and there are a lot just like him. A lot.

  • Baba Booey Fafa Fooey

    @joeyty: No, it’s the brown thing. It’s the PC thing and minority, with gays and liberals. No, there is no shared struggle. They don’t want you to exist. If Muslims were white – they would be enemy number 1 to most gays and liberals and best friends with Republicans.

  • Bauhaus

    @Baba Booey Fafa Fooey:
    Moreover; second-class citizenship, the closet, no rights – that’s living? I’m not foolish enough to believe the men promising to strip us of our hard-gained rights want to also protect us. Trump/Pence – inconceivable.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Bauhaus: Don’t mind baba, he doesn’t mind being a slave as long as he’s alive, under a Republican, evangelical boot.
    .

  • ErikO

    Where are the SJWs (Sharia Justice Warriors) who will claim that “Muslims love bisexual and gay men!” and cries of “Islamophobia!!1”?

  • Baba Booey Fafa Fooey

    @Bauhaus: I’ve thought about that too but I’ve rationalized it as I’d much rather have angry gay people fighting for their rights above ground then any gay person who can’t because they’re below ground. I don’t want to see anymore dead gay people. Not even one. That’s just my opinion.

  • Bauhaus

    @Baba Booey Fafa Fooey:
    We don’t have to give up our rights in order to live safely, securely, and with dignity. We can both build on the rights we have and also fight for a safer country. Fighting against religious freedom laws would help us in many ways, including not protecting disgusting cretins like this guy practicing his hatred against us.

  • Bauhaus

    @joeyty:
    You’re a migraine – the vomit inducing kind.

  • joeyty

    @Bauhaus: You’re an angina attack ! (See, I can waste time saying nothing too).

  • joeyty

    @Baba Booey Fafa Fooey: You’d think gays would have taken the high road and tried to unite themselves with Indians, but I guess Indians are doing WAY too well in the U.S., and….just aren’t homophobic enough to use for the self-hatred thing, or something…

  • Baba Booey Fafa Fooey

    @Bauhaus: I replied but I can’t post it :(.

  • Baba Booey Fafa Fooey

    @Bauhaus: Who’s going to defend you against radical Islam? I’m not telling you who to vote for but you’re going to be left heartbroken, betrayed and angry. I’m there now – you might be one one day.

  • Baba Booey Fafa Fooey

    @joeyty: Indians support gay people. I works with hundreds of them – they are wonderful.

  • joeyty

    @Baba Booey Fafa Fooey: I believe it. (High I.Q.s). No wonder the ones I know (just a few, but…) are voting for Trump. And they’re certainly “people-of-color”, but they don’t fit into the SJW agenda, so…they never get mentioned.

  • truckproductions

    well the trolls are out tonight! but of course, and as always your attempts to make is an example of every muslim is absurd. By using the same thinking we must assume every christian believes like the phelps family.. you know, the christian extremist kind.. there is just as much violence in the bible as there is in the koran.

  • Xzamilloh

    @truckproductions: Yeah, but how many Christians are willing to go out and kill in the name of the violence in their bible? You wanna talk about “the trolls”, but I see the apologist trolls at work, too… because instead of addressing this Islamic preacher’s vile words, you pivot straight to Christianity. Well, I’m an atheist, so that shit don’t work on me, buddy. The Phelps family? Who are they killing? Who have they killed? Like, ever? Christianity is NOT the litmus test for all other religions, especially those with their own followers, their own violent tenets, and their own extremists.

    And once again, the “NOT all” rears it’s ugly head. It’s not even worth addressing anymore. It’s a strawmanning tactic that allows the person hurling it to then make an argument for why it isn’t all Muslims when NO ONE said all Muslims. Or rather — and watch this — NOT ALL of us are saying it’s ALL MUSLIMS. See how that works?

  • Chris

    Someone, please explain to me ANY context in which this preacher’s words are anything other than hateful. As Daffy Duck would say to him: “You’re despicable, Imam.”

  • Alistair Wiseman

    @truckproductions:

    “…the Christian extremist kind.. there is just as much violence in bible as there is in the koran.”

    And yet we hear radicalized Islamic theocratic terrorists yell, “Allahu Ahkbar” before they murder innocent infidels on a regular basis.

    I have yet to hear of a Christian yell, “Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior”, before blowing himself up or flying a jetliner into a building.

  • Tobi

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: The muslim birth rate is currently two-to-one throughout the UK, and over three-to-one in London. It will only take a few generations for this to become a real issue.

  • joeyty

    @truckproductions: Don’t be a silly troll. Which Christian-majority countries have the death penalty for homosexuality? Your equating religions is what will be the death of you.

  • joeyty

    @Alistair Wiseman: That’s what these goofballs can’t grasp. They can’t deal with the reality of who is doing the killing.

  • DeePee

    All the religious-fanatics, no matter from where Islam, Hinduism, Christianity etc etc.. will be the ruin of our world….Retards want to follow some stupid book written by god knows who… Don’t they have a heart and brain to decide what’s right and what’s wrong? These people are not even worthy of being called TRASH!!!

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Tobi: The beautiful thing about math Tobi is that it’s extremely precis; the folks over at pew research have calculated that by 2100, Muslims will make no more than 10% of the UK population. So if every single variable remains the same, meaning muslim woman birth rate, immigration and conversion to Islam all remain the same, it will take the uk a 1000 years before Muslims make 70% of the population.

    See people like Joey don’t care about the above facts, they have their “gut” to tell them what is true and what isn’t.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Alistair Wiseman: Well maybe you should tell your government to stop selling the Wahabis weapons, so they don’t end up killing us with it.

    American hypocrisy is utterly vile, your politicians want to make a quick buck by selling advanced weaponry to dictatorial murderers in the Arab Gulf while ignoring anything resembling ethics or morals.

  • Mo Bro

    The above comments are proof positive that a massive Muslim immigration would bring only peace and joy to our already-serene society.
    (and if you don’ detect the sarcasm in that, you’re probably a Muslim)

  • Baba Booey Fafa Fooey

    @joeyty: Neither do Asians. It is high IQ. They focus on careers and getting ahead.

  • brent_thibault

    Reading these comments is truly depressing as fuck. Why is there so much hate in the world. If we were all the exact same just imagine how boring life would be. Whatever someones beliefs are, are between that person and whoever/whatever they choose to believe in. The idea that what I believe in is less than or greater than what others believe in is incredibly ignorant and complete bullshit. Does anyone really 100% without a doubt know what happens after we (HUMANS) die? NO! Sure all these religions with their fable stories claim to know it all but, do they?? DO THEY??? Religions across the board teach ignorance and are responsible for most of the wars ever fought on planet earth. We are not born with hate in our hearts. Rather we are lied to and fed bullshit from assholes like Shaykh Hamza Sodagar. We need awhole lot less assholes in the world and lots and lots of LOVE and TOLERANCE. Have a great life, you only get one!

  • Heywood Jablowme

    @joeyty: Regarding Trump’s “Ideology Tests”: sounds nice maybe, but why wouldn’t radicalized Muslims LIE on ideology tests? They’re pretty sneaky, you know!

    And where do you get this 3,000,000 figure from? Citation please. The only cites I could find were Hillary’s preliminary talk of 65,000 Syrian refugees – an idea from over a YEAR ago btw which apparently she hasn’t pursued – which anyway, of course would have included Syrian Christians, Yazidis and yes GAYS being persecuted by Muslims.

  • Bauhaus

    Formidable daddy issues on this thread.

  • Tobi

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: However, because they gravitate to specific geographic areas, it means they get to elect representatives to the Commons and other posts, such as the London Mayor.

    Please don’t get me wrong, I’ve no truck with Trump, but I do appreciate the concerns that people have about immigration, after all it’s the primary issue that has resulted in the UK leaving the EU.

    You only have to look at Rotherham for an example of what can happen. http://d.pr/yjMJ

  • ChrisK

    @brent_thibault: I do. I’ll get 29 virgins in the afterlife. Ugh. What am I saying. That’s sounds like hell to me. 29 sluts though. Hmm…

  • Tobi

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: “…the folks over at pew research have calculated…”
    I just checked their “research”, and it’s based on no further immigration into the UK. However, around a 200,000 muslim migrants continue to settle permanently in the UK every year. If that continues, coupled with the higher birth rate, by 2100, instead of 10%, the figure could be as high as 35%.

  • Juanjo

    I see the usual bat shiit crazies are out, condemning 1.6 billion people with the comments of one fundamentalist preacher. In what way is this scum bag iman any different from what Teddy Shoebat or that nut case preacher in Arizona have been preaching in the name of Jesus. The issue here is not with Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other faith per se. It is with religious fanatics who take snippets of scriptural texts and hatred to advocate murder.

    This is why we need to vigilant of the Christian fanatics in this country who like Pence or Cruz seek to impose Christian Sharia law on this country the way these extremists in Iran have on their country.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Tobi: Are you sure you read through the whole analysis? A huge chunk of it is based on Muslim birth rates falling closure to the average uk rate visa-vi 2.5 children to the national average of 1.8. This is by 2030, and they expect it to go down further based on the current drop of rates in comparison to 30 years ago.

  • Tobi

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: I did, but many other researchers believe the muslim birth rate will actually go up, especially given that recent data shows many muslim families in London already have between 4-8 children, and in some cases even more.

  • Tobi

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: In the majority of our state schools, 1-in-12 pupils are muslim, and some areas have a population density as high as 40%.

  • Tobi

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: It might come as a surprise to you but London is now almost 50% immigrant, whole historical areas and their local people have been driven out, ie. co ckneys from the east end. http://d.pr/19R8t

  • Tobi

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: My apologies for the three posts, I couldn’t work out why I was being moderated, it was of course the word “co ckneys”. LOL.

  • Alistair Wiseman

    @Hussain-TheCanadian:

    “Well maybe you should tell your government to stop selling the Wahabis weapons, so they don’t end up killing us with it.”

    Really? There have been thousands of terrorist attacks on infidels worldwide since September 11th. Just to give one example out of thousands, in reference to your point, I didn’t know the U.S. government was selling weapons to Omar Mateen.

    Today, you have proven yet again why I call you “Queerty’s Unofficial Muslim Apologist”.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Alistair Wiseman: “Thousands of terrorist attacks worldwide” – majority of those were carried out against Muslims by the monsters who are being funded by the Saudis, Qataris and Emiraties, your allies, that yes, you’re selling billions of dollars worth of weapons to.

    Who is training the “rebel forces” in Jordan against the Assad government right this second? Omar mateen didn’t need the Saudis to hive him anything, your shitty gun control laws are enough to to ensure any murderer can get their hands on a weapon.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Tobi: I’m sorry Tobi i wrote a response and it’s not posting. I was surprised with the high number of immigrants in London. I’m assuming many of their descendents are British no? Another question I had for you is: why hasn’t the British government spread out its immigrant population, why are they so concentrated?

  • Alistair Wiseman

    @Hussain-TheCanadian:

    You are funny, Hussain. You act like Islamic terrorism is something new, when in reality, it precedes the founding of the United States by centuries.

    Islam has a long history of blaming others for its failures.

  • Tobi

    @Hussain-TheCanadian: No probs. I know how annoying it is that even innocuous words get auto-moderated out on Queerty.

    Yes, obviously their descendants are British by virtue of being born here. However, many are just not assimilating. There are a huge number of cases where secondary school children born in the UK >11 years of age but can barely read or write english, and in some cases struggle to speak it. This can be especially so if they’re going to muslim-only schools. I have a mosque and a muslim school at the end of my road, and it breaks my heart to see every day little girls under 10 years of age wearing floor length skirts and arm length tops with their heads covered in a hijab and segregated by sex. I witnessed a father beating a son in the street which ended up in our local paper. His crime? He’d been listening to pop music on his phone.

    I’m not sure how the Government could forcibly distribute the muslim population throughout the UK, what’s to stop them then moving and ghettoising themselves if they want to?

    Again, I’m not endorsing Trump, but I genuinely understand people who have issues about Clinton allowing large numbers of people into the USA who want to kill them. I engage with muslims on a daily basis. I doubt one of them would raise a hand to me, but they wouldn’t stop anyone else who would. In their eyes, if you’re gay, you really should be killed.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Tobi: I definitely agree with you on much of what you wrote; even though I’m a muslim and an Arab, I see myself as a Canadian first, maybe that is so because I was born into a British rooted culture, eventually becoming a “white” canadian culture. The issue I think is many immigrants perhaps don’t see the host culture as theirs, and it is here we have a problem.

    In Canada, we have this issue on two fronts, one being with French Canada, and the other being Vancouver British Columbia with its heavy east Asian population. The thing with east Asians, many of their descendents are English speakers predominantly and are very much “white anglophone Canadians”.

    Muslims here, depending on from which country they originated, are a spectrum. The majority of them are pretty much assimilated, with a minority that is refusing to do so. I saw a lady wearing the niqab the other day and it made me wonder “why are you wearing that, it’s so not necessary”.

    The question on what the government can do is really tough to answer because you’re right on that we don’t want to force people to create their own ghettos . The key to this is through the community leaders, moderate Imams, the education system, and supporting or creating Female organizations targeting immigrants.

    It’s a slow process, and many Canadians, Brits, answer Americans may not like it, but it has to be done.

  • Hussain-TheCanadian

    @Alistair Wiseman: I’m glad you admitted to that, we have a major problem if you think this is a civilizational clash between the Muslim and the Western worlds. What is it that you suggest, war or isolation between the two?

  • Daniel-Reader

    So… it’s not like the people harmed by clerics cannot determine the fate of said clerics. The LGBTA community vastly outnumbers the harmful clerics on the planet. Simple head count. And as far as corrupt government officials, once again the LGBTA community outnumbers them by far. That’s why human rights are indivisible. It’s currently a case of the LGBTA community upholding the human rights of those who do not reciprocate.

  • Stilinski26

    “Religion of peace”

  • Ogre Magi

    A day without muslims and christians is like a day without rats and roaches

  • Bob LaBlah

    And to him I say “May the Jews blow you and your flying carpet out of the air” is it flies over the deepest part of the ocean while making your way back to Mecca.

  • Baba Booey Fafa Fooey

    @Ogre Magi: Very true. I wish there was a politician who felt this way.

  • joeyty

    @Daniel-Reader: Not one protest against this guy in the UK though. Even the Muslim mayor of London is silent. Gays are hiding. Which again shows you why gays’ time in existence is numbered. When it comes to facing enemies they are cowards.

  • Daniel-Reader

    joey, why would they need to protest harmful clerics et al. to determine the fate of said clerics et al.? That makes no sense whatsoever. Sounds like you are just disquieted by the idea.

  • Ukin Blome

    Different religion same closeted self loathing homosexuals trying to cover their faces by condemning others for doing what they do behind our backs.

  • Bob LaBlah

    @joeyty: They are well aware that young Arab men are watching gay porn and the day has already arrived were many of them no longer give a flying fuck what people think, though I must say I really do admire the respect most gay muslim men have for their families by not flaunting it in their presence, whether their families know or not they are gay.

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