Everyone knows the age-old saying “opinions are like assholes; everybody has one.” Well, never has that asshole smelled more putrid than when offered up by the type of person referred to as an “Internet Troll,” — the Bitter Bettys who negatively comment on anything and everything posted on the Internet.Why just read many of the comments on this site alone. It’s always the same negative people posting the same depressing dribble. An article on marriage equality? They hated it! An article on pop culture? “Boo! Hiss!” An article on music, movies, politics, humor, fitness, you name it? They hate it.
Queerty and many other sites don’t allow just anyone to comment on their content. You have to log in to give them a piece of your mind. So the Internet Troll is a rare bird — a dodo bird, if you will. They have to read an article, hate it so much they dust off their username and password, log into the site, navigate their way back to the hated article, barf up their negativity and then press “enter.”
Most people who read an article and have a not-so-positive review tend get on with their lives; however, the Internet Troll has no life to get on with. As the rest of us go to work, spend time with our significant others, family members, friends, and fill the rest of our day with extra curricular activities, the Internet troll has nothing better to do than spend their time negatively commenting on everything. It is their feeble attempt to have a voice, like me trying to sing along to Mariah. Unfortunately, they use this rare opportunity to be heard to tear others down.
Queerty isn’t the only site that has to deal with festering trolls. A dear friend of mine, with a strong social media presence, once told me, “whoever said you are your own worst critic has never read YouTube comments.” Try it sometime. Just make sure you have a glass of wine handy and your therapist on speed dial. The troll is lurking in the shadows, more than happy to tell you your child is ugly, your haircut looks terrible, and your version of “Defying Gravity” never got off the ground.
Internet Trolls tend to have dark personality traits and show signs of sadism, antisocial behavior, and psychopathy — but on the bright side, they excel at hoarding and are a hoot to have at funerals! You’ve seen the movie Mean Girls, right? Well, Internet Trolls are the “Mean Queens,” “The Ladies Who ‘Sent Back’ Lunch,” and “The Queen(s) of the Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don’t!”
Because of an overall sense of failure in their own lives, they resent anyone who they perceive to have achieved any kind of success. The troll feels slighted by life and can’t fathom how anyone could be given more than their fair share. Someone couldn’t possibly be good-looking and smart, funny and eloquent, talented and successful (…writer takes pause to lovingly stare at himself in the mirror). It’s because of this sad mindset they offer up nothing and contribute even less to society besides spreading hate, like a cancer, on the World Wide Web.
A bottom feeder. A bench warmer. A wall flower. Rather than doing something productive themselves, the Internet Troll sits sedentary and safely behind their computer screen where they vomit up their useless thoughts, bullying anyone who is brave enough to step out of the wings and into the spotlight.
It was either Aristotle, Elbert Hubble or Punky Brewster who once said, “to avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” However, for creative people, “nothing” is not an option. So go ahead and bravely upload that video of you butchering Adele’s “Hello” beyond tonal recognition. Keep posting blogs about your boring diet, and even more boring work-out routine. And while you’re at it, keep those scantily-clad selfies coming. Take a cue from Bonnie Raitt and give them “Something To Talk About!” If you are choosing to participate in life and live without fear of failure or worse — fear of success, you are already living a better existence than the Internet troll.
Oh, and by the way, after I post this, I’ll be too busy living my life to have time to read all the mean-spirited, troll-inspired comments soon to be posted below. Happy Holidays!
John Carroll is a Broadway performer, writer and activist. For more information on him, go to TheJohnCarroll.com. Follow him on Twitter and Instagram @MrJohnCarroll
MaxH
A troll isn’t anyone who expresses a negative opinion. Sometimes I’ll read something or watch something and feel inclined to express how much I dislike it, the internet isn’t your mother, it isn’t there to lavish you with praise when praise is undeserving.
Sweetie Pie
So…anybody who disagrees is a troll…all of us must say yes to everything and agree…so much for critical thinking.
Gothrykke
MaxH: Save your breath, Cartman here’s a donor and subscriber of Shameless America. Haven’t you figured it out yet? Anyone who has an opinion that isn’t ass licking is a troll and a hater. There are no critics anymore, people aren’t allowed to have an opinion on something. They’re just ‘correct’ or ‘trolls’. His arm chair psychology isn’t even based in reality, just nasty old stereotypes about nerds that he applied to another group out of a sense of superiority.
Remember: He is the victim here, no matter how awful he is.
1EqualityUSA
The cartoon above nailed it, though the house was too neat and tidy and the hover-round chair from the scooter store wasn’t visible.
Mykaels
The term ‘internet troll’ is meaningless. Once upon a time, it referred to someone whose sole mission in life was to post hateful things about everyone and everything. They were a drug dealer whose drug of choice was bitterness.
Now, an internet troll is someone who does not post something positive about EVERYTHING and one who does not agree with EVERYONE happily. This is why the problem of internet trolls cannot be fixed: because now everyone is one.
Glücklich
@1EqualityUSA:
I just choked on coffee laughing!
House could also include pillow-back lift chair or Art Linkletter lounge chair, circa 19-hideous-something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfYDYyXltEc
moldisdelicious
I love how so many gay men instead of figuring out how to work past their issues and become truly confident with themselves ends up going to the internet and living on it through whatever internet persona to feel like somebody.
Dudes know what I’m talking about
These lames that think they’re fooling somebody trying to show their best rrperesntive on this site, the sex apps, the w forums and etc when they come off as a bunch of bitches.
Let’s be real here. Most folks in here all sticking their chest out, acting all tough, talking shit are not the same way in real life. They only take that bullshit towards other gay people on the internet as they segregate themselves from the rest of the web where they roam in the supposed gay parts. In real life, they wouldn’t date bring that shit to any straight person either because more than likely, they know that regardless whether they’re right or wrong, they’re going to be the loser regardless.
I’m just tired of weak people faking some impression of strength on these sites. Even the people who seriously believe that they can show how they are in person through a Web page or youtube video. How you interact on a computer is not the same as in real life.
And I also think that labeling any guy that doesn’t agree with you or kiss your ass is a troll. That is a cope out and being manipulative. Dudes can’t even handle their own battles on the web so they now are using the word troll whenever it suits their cause. When theyre being an asshole on purpose and have to own up to it, they claim they’re joking around or trolling somebody. When someone disagree with them, that person is a troll or being an asshole on purpose where they purposely want to piss them off.
Basically, you can’t keep it real with these fake ass clowns out here because they’re full of shit and living away from the world. That’s why I personally don’t care too much for the gay culture or even being around gay social settings because folks are bullshitting and claiming they’re real or reality oriented when they are NOT.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
0_o Eh?!? Your “argument” is weak as piss (but i’d still like to check it for any untoward substances). And I mean that constructively 🙂
Cam
“”Oh, and by the way, after I post this, I’ll be too busy living my life to have time to read all the mean-spirited, troll-inspired comments soon to be posted below. Happy Holidays!””
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I might believe him more, if this entire article wasn’t a response to the LAST article he wrote on here that was universally panned by every single commentor who posted.
So you are too busy living your life to read the comments……except that you just wrote an entire comment vaguely attacking all of the people who didn’t like your last post.
I used to wonder why Queerty was giving the articles by this guy a forum, since so far only one of them seemed worthwhile. But the fact that they would allow an entire article to be posted where he is crying because people didn’t think his other articles were funny pretty much shows that either he has been guaranteed space here, or that he is dating one of the editors.
The fact that the author posted his nude posing photo could be an indication of why he seems so bizarrely upset that everybody doesn’t love his writing. If he has a nice body, it is no different than a girl with a great body in a bar. People laugh at everything she says, tell her she is so smart, and then when she hits 35 and isn’t as pretty as she once was she can’t figure out why nobody thinks she is funny anymore.
Same here, the author isn’t in a bar, the people reading what he is saying aren’t trying to sleep with him, so he is stunned that they don’t laugh at every word and now instead of taking the wake-up call and using it to work on his comedy and writing skills, he instead hides his head in the sand, and convinces himself that anybody who doesn’t like what he does is a “Hater” or an “Internet Troll”.
If you think that everybody on here has that motivation and that you are really much more talented than we all seem to think, then please, by all means, submit your work to the NYTimes, Funny or Die, the Daily Show, Daniel Tosh, the SF Chronicle etc…
Just think, when they all turn you down you can write ANOTHER article on here about what internet trolls everybody else in the media is.
apexa79
Oh this was too good! I actually have intense love of reading the comments, and the negativity of some of the comments on this site is beyond comprehension sometimes – and quite petty!
at least the positive comments are always upas great a read too and uplifting 🙂
and that quote : “to avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” However, for creative people, “nothing” is not an option.. this is only too true – you do you, and as rupaul said “unless they paying your bills, you pay them no mind!”
1EqualityUSA
Glucklich, wow. I want this chair….does it come in Windsor?
moldisdelicious
@Cam:
i agree. i can’t take this article seriously at all.
and you have to wonder the ambitious of somebody to want to be well respected amongst a SMALL population within a small population as it is. writing for queerty is a great step but why limit yourself to a small pond especially if that pond is a tabloid that is seen more as a joke.
moldisdelicious
@Cam:
just realized what you’re talking about with the nude photo. the writer of this article can’t be serious. LOL. apparently, he’s one of those narcissistic individuals that thinks he’s so special where we must shower him with attention and positive validation. whoever your name is that wrote the article GTFOH with this shit. put on a shirt, some pants and gain some fucking confidence. hell, i doubt that he would be able to handle writing for a real publication though because he would have to deal with criticism. that whole narcissistic male shit will not get you far and will only burn bridges where nobody will fuck with you.
AxelDC
To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.
Kangol
A troll is someone who derails any and every discussion by shifting to her or his hobbyhorses, however nonsensical. The troll’s goal isn’t discussion or even just self-expression, but diverting the conversation to itself.Cf. Jason Smeds.
Political disagreement is fine. I often strongly disagree with AlistairWiseman, for example, but I don’t think s/he’s a troll. Same with BJ McFrisky. On Queerty, there also are trolls who find any excuse to post hom0phobic or [email protected] crap.
BUT, there are posters who go out of their way not to show they disagree politically with the majority of Queerty posters, but to attack gay people, gay sex, lesbians, trans people, etc. My question always is, if you hate gay people so much, WHY are you on this site? Why are you so fixated? Why are you constantly posting to a site whose focus is the very thing you clearly dislike? That’s a troll.
queertyqueerqueer
Awesome article and insight. The incessant trolling is the reason I have quit Reddit. Next time a troll rears its ugly head, I’ll paste the link to this article as my response!
Derek Perron
Internet troll – one who doesn’t affirm my self indulgent ego. Master of wit and sarcasm that knows truths lie somewhere in the middle. Often sees things for what they’re but what they could be, usually wanting to elevate conversation.
Cam
@queertyqueerqueer:
GASP!!! What a shock!!! a brand new, never before seen account comes on and rabidly defends the author of the post.
I am SO surprised! 😉
queertyqueerqueer
@Cam:
as promised…
http://www.queerty.com/mean-queens-the-sad-sad-case-of-the-internet-troll-20151127
Vegas Tearoom
And then there are sites that, because of their general nature, have very specific threads with very specific trolls. The Datalounge for example. As a gay board, their MOTTO is Pointless Bitchery. Gotta love the honesty.
Cam
@queertyqueerqueer:
And my next test “Is the brand new account now monitoring the post and responding immediately to any disagreement?”
It seems that the answer is “Yes”.
Look, if you wrote the post and want to defend it fine, but don’t invent a sock puppet screename to do it. It just makes it even more sad.
Tracy Pope
Too thinned skin to handle criticism? And you call yourself a Broadway performer…
Dave in Northridge
Oh, please, all you critics. Anyone who has ever spent any time in a gay chat room (and I have almost 20 year of experience with them) knows this article is true. As far as I’m concerned, all the bitching about this is just the commenter being defensive. Yes, if this rubbed you the wrong way, you may be exactly who the writer is talking about.
Homo Erectus
I’m not fooled. The author is really Atticus Bennett with a toupee, right?
CWM85
I think some people are called trolls simply because they express a different opinion. I think that is unfair. I try my best to be an independent person and see whole views of things and sometimes it isn’t what status quo says. That doesn’t make me a troll just someone with a different opinion. Then there are those who go out their way just to be a jerk. That’s totally different… that is a troll. Not someone who disagrees and sees things from a broader view.
Bob LaBlah
@Cam: “Look, if you wrote the post and want to defend it fine, but don’t invent a sock puppet screename to do it. It just makes it even more sad.”
Clap, clap, clap…pound, pound, pound (both fist on my desk), stomp, stomp stomp stomp (my feet)…….you are TOO funny. That one made my day. And I do believe you, too. Trust me, I have suspected others of doing the same thing. It gets hilarious when they get frustrated and don’t think people are not paying attention.
Just more proof of why no one cared what they wrote about in the first place.
kansasteddybear
Whine, whine, whine. I get so tired of being told that we have to be all sunshine and unicorn farts all the time. Just because we are gay doesn’t mean we have to agree with every little thing that happens to flow from some know it all in the LGBTZYZ intelligentia’s lips. And one can disagree with or question things and not be a bad person.
scotshot
@moldisdelicious:
Moldy: Look in the mirror for the living embodiment of a Troll. Always fun to see a str8 boy post here as gay and try to get over on us, all for the $10/hr!
PS: You’re one of the jokes.
@Kangol:
Kangol: I question the veracity of your post when you state alistair wiseman and bj mcfriskey are NOT Trolls, hell, they’re not even gay. Two more from the $10/hr Troll club.
jkb
One could almost argue that the negative comments on this thread are trollish; however, they actually reference the relevant elements of the article, so I would not label them as such. That being said, there are those who complain about the topic being raised at all as if there are no other readers who may appreciate the story they are trolling on.
scotshot
@moldisdelicious:
“Breh”? Hipster…
All you’ve accomplished in your little rant/tirade is once again prove I’m correct. What did you state? You’ve stated you’re very good at name calling and making physical threats to me.
“I am a man of substance and try to carry myself as such…. Well dear you’ve proved that the substance you’re full of is shit.
“Get at me when you’re at my level thinking.” Sorry, I’ve never been on your level and never will. I don’t venture into sties.
Come back soon little Mold boy and show us how superior and butch you are.
alphacentauri
@MaxH: Very true; but then you have sites where there’s a clique of people and they think that anyone who simply posts an alternative opinion or who does not agree with them is a troll.
martinbakman
Remember team,
when you get the urge to be a mean queen, JUST SAY NO.
Now I’m busy folks. Gotta get back to my Punky Brewster reruns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q5ZnTM4VGM
NateOcean
“The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.”
If you only have “negative” comments, they end of being meaningless. But the same is true of only “positive” comments; they are without distinction.
What’s your favorite book? “They all are.”
Favoitie movie? “I like them all.”
Color? “All of them!”
Seriously? Couldn’t you mention that you liked a particular movie, but thought one actor was miscast? Or while your mostly enjoyed it, it somewhat dragged in the middle? Or that one part was confusing and hard to follow?
Those might be “negative” comments, but they are valuable feedback. Properly taken they help the writer hone their skills, or the casting director in future choices. Properly taken, next movie they make might turn out to be great, rather than merely good.
Bob LaBlah
@martinbakman: Do you too wonder what makes Art Linkletter so special while you and I amount to step children? I mean mine just vanished into thin “air”.
loren_1955
So many of these comments had me chuckling. There is much rationalizing going on to justify opinions and deflect being considered a queen or troll. If this article causes a bit of a punch to the belly creating a negative response, perhaps the article is apropos. I found the article somewhat satirical yet spot on to much of what seems to inhabit the internet anymore. Just gave an honest appraisal to another article, and the responses were all about calling me names, put downs, etc. though nothing was said to counter my comment. Leads me to believe we have lost much of our graciousness as a people and rapidly becoming a nation of idiocracy.
aliengod
Giancarlo85! You’ve got an entire story written about you. I’ll bet you’re so proud!
sportsguy1983
I guess we must live in a world where no criticism is allowed. If you don’t like criticism (valid or not) then don’t go posting stuff online for the whole world to give their two cents (good, bad, indifferent, intelligent, stupid, etc…). This guy needs to stop his whining and being butt hurt with comments he doesn’t like.
moldisdelicious
@scotshot:
Breh, I’m as REAL as it gets. So real that I know your bitch ass would more than likely be shaking in your puss-o-boots if you were to ever come across me in person. Fuck the internet. You can go on and flex through your little internet persona trying to convince yourself that you have balls and heart. I know you have none. Come and say the same thing to my face if you ever have the courage to. Little boy crying wolf.
I damn sure ain’t straight but I’m one of these lames that seem so concerned of being embraced by the gay male community which is full of lost men like the writer of this article obsessed with their appearances and thinking their entire worth is based on how many dicks they can get hard with their face and body. I’m beyond that as I was never raised to be a shallow individual. I am a man of substance and try to carry myself as such. So reading articles like this and seeing the dumb shit that grown ass men are on just makes me cringe. So trust me, you and your opinion doesn’t fucking mean shit to me. Get at me when you’re on my level of thinking instead of engaging with the children and teenagers.
Kieran
Who cares! LOL
Kieran
This author obviously had a sh*tty republican father who hated him. ; )
AtticusBennett
*applause* 🙂
lauraspencer
“However, for creative people, “nothing” is not an option.
There is a difference between being creative and needing/wanting fame or attention for what you have created. My 97 year old grandmother knits and she does it for herself and not to be celebrated. When I was 10 – 14 years old I loved doing latch hook and making them into pillows. Did I run around seeking applause? No.
If a reader of the NY TIMES writes a negative response to a story in the paper and it published in letters to the editor the writer isn’t labeled a “troll”. The problem is that the internet has opened the door for many people who think they are talented and many of us would beg to differ. Read CULT OF THE AMATEUR and it will make a bit more sense. Any true creative loves feedback….positive or negative. We often learn more from the negative. If you are a creative looking to be worshipped then stick to making drawings for your mother to put on the fridge.
I’m sure the writer might be a talented actor, but that doesn’t translate to him being able to write, model, do stand up, etc. There are very few Bette, Chers, Meryls who can do it all.
jantheman4903
i personally can’t stand those that knock something but don’t offer a better view OR go out and do something about it.sometimes all u can offer is criticism..but usually u can find a suggestion for improvement. and if u want to go on youtube and tapdance…rock on. i don’t need to watch n comment negatively.
Pistolo
What I don’t understand is why people care so much. Why do celebrities and journalists and public figures even read the comments section of anything long enough to be bothered? Frankly, the only “troll” of any influence is a public figure, so why be so bothered by nobodies? I never understood how celebrities like Demi Lovato & such act so victimized by people who write mean tweets- people write nice tweets too and say nice things too. But neither should inform the view you have of yourself or inspire such contempt.
gaym50ish
I still reserve the right to disagree with any author of any article, and do not consider myself to be a troll.
My definition of a troll is, for example, a straight guy who “trolls” the gay websites just to leave nasty and insulting comments. Anyone can honestly oppose anything, including gay marriage, but the troll goes way beyond mere disagreement.
Pistolo
One more thing- from my experience, I think a lot of “trolls” are simply mentally ill people. Yes, there are crass people who are just being douchebags but I honestly think a majority of really brazen trolls aren’t playing with all 8. And to relish in their failure, lack of productivity, and basically their misery makes you worse than them in a way. If you’re as well-adjusted as you claim to be, you shouldn’t need to stoop to this level. You’re criticizing them for being negative and not showing compassion but evidently you’re at a loss as well.
I’m much more worried about purveyors of misinformation and people who can masquerade as professionals but really just grind axes and alter public opinion.
Bob LaBlah
@Pistolo: “I’m much more worried about purveyors of misinformation and people who can masquerade as professionals but really just grind axes and alter public opinion.”
You are on target with that. I mean you scored a bullseye. Masquerade is an understatement as it applies to the internet. The more subtle they try to be the more obvious they get.
onthemark
“No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.” – Samuel Johnson, 1760s
Ever notice how the Internet Celebrity-In-His-Own-Mind “CREATIVE” person spends all of his time on Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, various blogs and his own website? While never making any money doing any of it?
While criticizing the supposed Internet “trolls”… who write much less than the “creative” types do, but probably make a lot more money doing it? (Even if we don’t know who pays them.)
So who’s more of a loser, really? Ah the irony!
But having said that, I’m waiting for “Brian” and Giancarlo85 to chime in here before I have a definite opinion on this subject.
Ummmm Yeah
Someone must be a internet troll fan to keep up with who only says negative things and then to write a whole story about them.
RevJames
Sometimes leaving a critical comment is important. Now that we all have the ability to tailor our content feeds to our liking there is a danger that we only see/read things that reinforce our ideas and opinions. To leave a critical comment can cause someone to see that there is a diversity of opinions.
That said: Some people are just negative Nancy’s…poor fucks. I HATE THEM AND WISH THEY WOULD DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!!
Paul
Great and smart piece! I will pass it on to friends and family to help in dealing with Internet Trolls!
Stache
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2jbCJXkpA
Giancarlo85
A troll is someone who fails miserably at arguing and therefore relies on defamation (for example, someone who keeps on claiming I’m someone in a youtube video in order to bring down my credibility).
We’ve seen right wing trolls that filter on here and express hatred and homophobia, yet they keep on posting on here.
@CWM85: You are NOT an independent person and you are someone who has constantly proved this article is on point. You can have your viewpoints, but you incessantly and irrationally push them on here and you troll others for disagreeing with you.
@aliengod: Oh, talking about yourself again I see?
You right wingers… need to be gone. You are the trolls you cry about. Nobody is silencing you. You, however, add absolutely nothing to this site asides from hatred.
Raúl Hernández
You know what’s evern sadder, referring to each other as Queens. SMH
SeeingMoreClearly
John Carroll should have been one of those micks raised in the Bronx, where at least they would have smacked the whiney punky brewster out of him.
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: Hey girl. I thought you had packed up the heels and went on back home to Mex…..well, I was wondering where the hell you were.
I would be embarrassed too if it were me in that video. BUT IT WASN’ T ME, WAS IT? I know how you MUST feel after seeing yourself being an ass on video and knowing the whole WORLD saw it as well. Thanks to this article I stumble across this series. It gave me some FRESH ideas in regards to our relationship. Happy holidays honey. I wish I had your address so I can mail you your fruitcake that I bought for you again this Christmas. I love keeping with tradition, especially in your case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxcZmRlDqZ0
Captain Obvious
Oh dear God. Do people actually think this is what a troll is? I swear the majority of the internet has become giant babies who will cry about anyone who disagrees with them.
Trolls come in MANY different flavors and most are totally harmless… even whimsical. Very few actually seek to hurt anyone and those who try to usually just end up entertainment as well.
It’s the idiots who fall for trolling who are the real problem. Back in the early days of the internet it was usually someone who was too old to understand the internet and took it way too seriously. Now everyone takes it way too seriously and never knows when to let something go.
You think trolls are the one with the problem making the internet their life? If you’re taking something someone said seriously on the internet and can’t let it go then you’re the sad little person with no life. Log off, go for a walk, and move the heck on. It’s not that serious.
The reason trolls are so successful is the feeding frenzy created by idiots who chum the water with their tears. Stop crying at every little thing said to you that you don’t like. At least if you’re going cry then don’t make it evident by crying to or about the same person who is trolling you because you won’t shut up.
Even former trolls(hi) will take up trolling someone who won’t back down and move on. We have the stamina to endure and will eat popcorn while you keep drowning in salty tears over literally nothing for our own entertainment. Every picture you wasted time looking up is really a mirror of who you’re being when you care about a troll trolling you.
And honestly it’s pretty obvious half the “people” posting comments on this site are the same person trying to troll for clicks and the only ones benefiting from that are authors so… I can’t tell if you’re being clever or dumb which makes you a troll. Welcome to the club.
Irony!
apexa79
@Stache: hahahahhahaahahahah that video was EVERYTHING i laughed so hard!!! 🙂
ButtStuff
@Giancarlo85: Say’s the trolliest troll that ever trolled. You literally cannot help yourself, can you?
SFHarry
I hesitate to comment on the lack of depth in this article because it makes me feel like I’m playing right into the author’s trap. 🙂
SonOfKings
Look, I know it’s tough out there when you are trying to be clever, charming, and sexy on gay Internet sites and not everyone is falling for your gimmicks. But you can’t brand people as trolls simply because they haven’t been won over. You have to learn from the best and polish your routine. And people who actually do troll are not alway failures. Sometimes they are highly successful individuals who entertain themselves by fcking with your head to see what you are made of. To see if you can hang and be an ally. No different from real life. Don’t be so hurt.
Louis
Smh you essentially shot yourself in the foot with this article considering you are basically saying anyone who has a different opinion is a TROLL or anyone who is passionate in what they believe in or what they believe in is wrong is a TROLL.
This article was basically trolling the posters here and its ironic you created a post about TROLLS when this site has allowed people to bully mock put down belittle and harass constantly.
So as far as the troll goes that’s many of you behind this site.
I cant count how many people who have their comments censored here …intentionally and its more then obvious considering it will rarely let you post and when it does its a rarity.
So you enjoy your thanksgiving I consider this article ironic and hypocritical and even more so some of those commenting about others being trolls when their attitudes here contradict them saying that about other people .
This site is more used as bashing weapon to justify discriminatory attitudes and pathetic bullying mentalities .
So much for COMMUNITY and SUPPORT …for the most part anyways.
Thanks for the amusing article and the comments from many here who are hypocrites when it comes to TROLLING its ridiculous to watch.
Smh some people I swear just embarrass this community no wonder some who are gay choose to stay closeted if these are the kind of people they have to look forward to when they finally do come out I don’t blame them.
I guess the posters here who discriminate against transgenders or feminine gay dudes are NOT trolls or those who discriminate against bisexuals this list is pathetically endless .
Louis
@Captain Obvious: That made no sense considering anyone who takes time out of their day to get online and prove they have absolutely no life just to annoy people are the ones who have the issues.
Im so sick of this mentality of those who respond are the WEAK ones and the unstable ones.
No its called wishing trolls didn’t exist to begin with the internet has always been full of assholes with nothing else to bide their time with nowadays its only gotten worse in that regard.
This comment you made especially :
You think trolls are the one with the problem making the internet their life? If you’re taking something someone said seriously on the internet and can’t let it go then you’re the sad little person with no life. Log off, go for a walk, and move the heck on. It’s not that serious.
Okay would you say the same to all these LGBT kids and teens who have committed suicide due to constantly being bashed and discriminated against behind a computer on a daily basis as well as in their schools?
Of course you would because people like you never ever attempt to show compassion or care its always they are the weak links or they need to GROW A THICKER SKIN.
I never will understand why this generation including those of the LGBT community act so callous , superior, and insensitive nowadays.
Lets throw in heartless for good measure it surprises me that half of you with your constant uppity attitudes trying to tear others down even possess a modicum of a conscience or self awareness as to how many of you actually look and are perceived by others by your words and actions.
Smh.
inbama
@Cam:
Yes, beauty has it privileges, so what else is new? Unattractive gay men can be annoying, too – look at Michael Musto, Michael Lucas and Andrew Sullivan.
Whatever, please don’t discourage guys with hot bodies like Carroll from posting revealing photos.
In fact, Queerty, how about letting us download the 8 x 10 at 300 ppi resolution?
Cam
@inbama:
I wasn’t encouraging or discouraging him. I was pointing out that him posting a picture like that on an article like this makes a certain probably personality type and behavior obvious. i.e. he is used to being treated a certain way by trying to show a little body, and that may explain why he has such an inability to deal with any form of self-awareness and why he is so shocked that so many people do not applaud him for writing articles, or making videos that aren’t funny or clever.
In a bar, people are trying to pick him up, so he can be boring and they will still laugh. Online, people aren’t trying to do that, so he gets a real response to his postings. In this case he even tried posting a nude picture to avoid that, and (Gasp) it didn’t work.
Bob LaBlah
All b/s aside I have to admire the guy for trying. He takes me back to NYC around 2004 or so. The gay center down on 13th street held a gay writers seminar. I swear nearly ALL of the books the writers were peddling either dealt with drugs, childhood abuse………the most depressing subjects you could imagine. To THEIR surprise no one bought any of their books. One had the nerve to start “reading” the audience when a few got up and started to leave when he got his ten minutes to speak to the crowd. Another two got into it because one could grasp the fact that her time was up. It was at that point I decided to leave. Thats just how pathetic it got.
It seems hard to believe they thought some one would be interested in PAYING to read about how THEY, and THEY alone fucked up their lives in adulthood. I wondered if the thought occurred to any of them they were pitching this shit to people who had done/been thru the same shit. Obviously not.
I hope the guy grows a thicker skin because in another five years, when he no longer looks like that, he is going to have a very hard time adjusting to heads NOT turning when he walks thru the door. Learn to judge your audience and you will avoid these situations. Now this article will follow him where ever he goes. He should have drank another cup of coffee and thought about it before he hit “send”.
JessPH
The problem is people who talk about things they don’t know anything about. Some keyboard warriors should try being informed instead of just opinionated.
Cam
@JessPH: said….”The problem is people who talk about things they don’t know anything about. Some keyboard warriors should try being informed instead of just opinionated.”
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So you’re trying to say that the people posting on here aren’t informed about what their own opinions are?
How about this, perhaps people should actually think about the lame excuses they are using to try to attack the posters to be sure they make sense before you post them/
DaveNY
Even leaving aside the typos and questionable grammar*, he basically engages in the exact same shit he’s complaining about, being one of those nasty “I can do no wrong” entitled queens who equate any disagreement, contrary opinion, or (heaven forbid!) criticism with “trolling”. Which tells me that A) girlfriend’s skin thinner than a peach, and B) he has no idea what ACTUAL trolling looks like. Ad-hominem attacks, instigating conflict, threats of violence, stalking… THOSE are Trolling behaviors, and they’re far more serious than anything he’s whinging about.
*which I’m sure my own post has in abundance, but then, I’m not publishing it as an article under my name…
Rimmington
This article reminds me of putrid butt hole. Even if it stinks, I still give it my full attention.
davincibarnette
@moldisdelicious: Who hurt you?!
JessPH
@Cam: > So you’re trying to say that the people posting on here aren’t informed about what their own opinions are?
I am saying that SOME people who post here aren’t well-informed about the topic or issue the article is about.
SeeingMoreClearly
@Louis: What do YOU know ? Really. You stated you’ve never heard of the term “gay ghetto”, so instead of acting like a wise person and looking it up you decide you must know everything already so SeeeingAll me) must be making that term up. Is that how you’ll behave for the rest of your life when a word comes up that you don’t know the definition of ?
SeeingMoreClearly
http://www.queerty.com/bette-midlers-twitter-shade-campaign-continues-with-caitlyn-jenner-dig-20151123#comments Near the bottom.
o.codone
Your child is ugly, your haircut looks terrible, and your version of “Defying Gravity” never got off the ground. So shut up you anti-troll bull sh it.
onthemark
@Louis: “This is the lazy liberalism in which scolding has become a substitute for actually doing something.” – Bill Maher
I think of this quote every time I read your ridiculous, obnoxious, oddly comma-less, *reductio ad absurdum* posts.
Nice touch you added there, warning Queerty posters that if we’re not nicey-nicey-nicey here we are causing LGBT teen suicide and closetedness! – omg. More likely, some LGBT teens reading this consider suicide if they think they have to grow up into a snooty pr!ck like you.
Oh well, if only you keep typing enough, you’ll force the “community” to become a less callous and superior place… dammit! 🙂
It’s a mystery what people like you would DO with their lives if the internet hadn’t been invented yet.
OhHellNo
”Oh, and by the way, after I post this, I’ll be too busy living my life to have time to read all the mean-spirited, troll-inspired comments soon to be posted below. Happy Holidays!”
If your reading skills match your writing skills, I don’t think time is the issue here, but thanks for playing. And what’s with the War on Christmas kiss-off, troll?
Thanks for fixing “Betty’s” before deleting my previous comment (which, BTW, is called “Editor Trolling”). You still need to out that exclamation point after the quotation marks in your nearly-clever Bonnie Raitt song reference
onthemark
@Bob LaBlah: Wow – I remember going to that gay writers seminar myself in ’04. Hadn’t thought of it in years but yes, it was just that depressing.
This type of attitude grows out of the obsession with (non-existent) “community” that so many gay men have. Oddly, the internet has made this problem worse instead of better. Instead of realizing the happy fact that there is no “community” anymore – and hasn’t been since Bette was singing in bathhouses – they sit around typing and lamenting how cruel and callous and mean the “community” is. Of course, they have no suggestions about how to make anything in the world actually BETTER. They think their complaints will somehow scold the mean girls into being nicer! Type pitiful lament; sit back and await results.
The gay writers at that seminar took it a step further in their attempts to universalize their pitiful personal experiences into some Universal Gay Story, so that if one didn’t identify, one was automatically by definition a BAD gay person.
SeeingMoreClearly
@onthemark: Boy, is that ever true.
[email protected]
I guess this is missing in my profile, yes I am on the internet allot. Probly because I am looking to fall in love again, and if you look in this town you might as well kill yourself, which by the way I tried. My husband to be died, yep just like that I woke up one morning with my arm around him, he was cold so I pulled the covers up. I noticed no reaction from him AT ALL and he was blue as the sky. I called 911, my mom -I totally freaked out I was in shock and the local mental health agency went through Medicaid fraud at the same time, so the only thing to do is wrap myself around my dog and boy did I cry. I think mom thought I was ok oh and the local lgbt stopped by when they saw the fire trucks or listened to the scanner they gave their sorry’s and off they went.SHIT now I’m crying again and hell it’s been 4 years. The family didn’t like the fact he was gay, I always dropped him off for the holidays and I would go to my crazy family they all excepted me, was a little whenever I would bring someone over but as time went on, it usually was all good. So no I don’t want to die alone. I’m not afraid of sending my pic out and I don’t have to live here. Our Mayor came out a year ago and was re-elected. I’ve been depressed and ya know nobody wants to be around that so I sit lonely at home most of the time on the internet. I don’t think I am ugly by any means. Sometimes a friend will make me go to something I really hate. Just don’t fit in when it comes to being the normal gay, I am a man and I like men, that‘s it. I tried adding my pic to this, but I can’t figure it out. Happy Holidays everyone, hope your dreams come true, and hope for peace everywhere (I SAID HOPE). 12/2015
Bob LaBlah
@onthemark: “Wow – I remember going to that gay writers seminar myself in ’04. Hadn’t thought of it in years but yes, it was just that depressing.”
Wasn’t it unbelievable? I knew some where out there a person existed who witnessed that spectacle of just how low people have stooped in terms of being vain. Remember the one who not ONCE made eye contact with the audience? Then there was that obnoxious, nauseating woman from the suburbs of New Jersey (yes, she told us. Why we needed to know that only she can tell you) whom I honestly don’t think she was aware that she was chewing gum while reading a few excerpts from her mess-ta-piece of a book. Folks, the audience there on that particular day was NO different than those of you who comment here today or any other day on Queerty. You saw it how it WAS and said so.
Do you remember if this guy was there that day? It sure sounds like it, huh? Maybe he was.
Juanjo
I am so amused by all the Negative Nancies and Bitter Betties who just had to comment. There are those who are oblivious to logic and rational thought, those who could care less and then the nit picking hens who will go on and on about how “back in the day” everyone knew what a troll was correctly defined as. We get it sweetie. You used to happily lark about the Usenet doing the same nasty, bitchy comments you do here.
Now there is actual, substantive criticism and then there is the carping and general bitchiness one so often sees in the comment sections on any internet site. Here is a clue ladies, if we do a search of y9our name and review all the comments you have posted and all of virtually everyone of them are nothing but general nastiness learned at the Jane & Blanche Hudson Finishing School, then the article is about you.
moldisdelicious
@davincibarnette:
i was just venting out my frustration because personally, i think there’s a lot of gay men that do a lot of projecting especially in regards of their insecurities.
i always notice the same people that basically are insecure about themselves where they just don’t have it in them to say that they are worth a damn and don’t care what anybody has to say about them whether positive or negative usually do what the author is doing. they go on the internet looking for validation and the way they LOVE to go about it is through photos, fishing for comments about their appearance. it doesn’t come from a place of confidence. it comes from a place of insecurity.
from what i seen,, this guy claims to have “haters” but he’s only written like 8 articles on this site. all of them is basically about how attractive some guy is to him, sexually gratifying them and etc. his last piece was about being so go go boy or something about being a sex doll on a cruise ship. i can’t remember. basically showcasing how shallow he is if you wanna be honest. so really, why is he complaining? if you drop articles about being shallow and things that can be viewed as jokes, how can he even be mad that no one takes him seriously?
he’s wrong person to even talk about this.
youarekiddingme
Just a little FYI: It IS illegal (A FEDERAL CRIME) to make threat over the internet. Chat names or aliases don’t protect because the site or ISP usually (by law) maintains records of all the users of the particular site. Those records are turned over to law enforcement for prosecution. This is making prosecution of these crimes a lot more prevelent.
“Use of the internet to threaten “the person of another” constitutes a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 875 ( interstate communication of threat to injure) If it is communicated interstate, federal jurisdiction is created.
To constitute “a communication containing a threat” under Section 875(c), a communication must be such that a reasonable person (1) would take the statement as a serious expression of an intention to inflict bodily harm (the mens rea), and (2) would perceive such expression as being communicated to effect some change or achieve some goal through intimidation (the actus reus). A message is a “threat” if a reasonable recipient would tend to believe that the originator of the message was serious about his words and intended to effect the violence or other harm forewarned, regardless of the speaker’s actual motive for issuing the communication.
Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person with the specific intent that the statement made verbally in writing or by means of an electronic communication device is to be taken as a threat even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out which on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made is so unequivocal unconditional immediate and specific as to convey to the person threatened a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate family’s safety.
It is not necessary for the victim to actually be placed in fear of imminent serious bodily injury or for the accused to have the capability or the intention to actually carry out the threat. The offense is completed if the accused, by his threat, sought as a desired reaction, to place a person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury.”
onthemark
@moldisdelicious: “this guy claims to have “haters” but he’s only written like 8 articles on this site.”
Maybe he’s jealous of Graham Gremore? lol
Captain Obvious
@Louis: I didn’t read any of this, just thought you should know.
William Mc Gregor
Gay Internet troll=self esteem issues that can only be elevated by putting others down!
Danny Adams II
I think it depends. We all may disagree with an opinion, but some people never see the positive in anything.
stranded
@MaxH: That’s exactly how i feel. You can’t expect praise all the time. I wouldn’t waste my time on this article or queerty if i didn’t like the website, but sometimes they post articles that i feel have no merit or I was offended by the author’s intent for the article. I feel like i should express my opposing opinion or criticism without being reduced to as a “troll.”
Captain Obvious
@William Mc Gregor: That would be a bully. Trolls wind people up in silly ways for their own amusement. Most fake trolls are bullies and aren’t actually trolling but mad as heck either irl or over something said online.
The two seem to get mixed up a lot but most people really aren’t trolls at all. They don’t even understand what trolling is… just look at the article where the author thinks a troll is anyone who disagrees with him.
The term is probably the most overused and yet almost always used incorrectly.
Regardless none of it is worth taking seriously like so many people seem to do nowadays. All you have to do is click the X in the corner and it’s gone.
The person bothered by it seems far more insecure and dealing with self-esteem issues more often than not. Why would an anonymous faceless person’s comments bother anyone if that person is secure and put together?
SonOfKings
@Juanjo: “…then there is the carping and general bitchiness one so often sees inHere is a clue ladies, if we do a search of y9our name and review all the comments you have posted and all of virtually everyone of them are nothing but general nastiness learned at the Jane & Blanche Hudson Finishing School, then the article is about you.”
Can’t you see you are engaging in the same kind of bitchiness you are accusing others of?
moldisdelicious
@youarekiddingme:
And how many times have you heard of anybody being locked up for threats over the Internet? Nobody cares. That’s why they have states making laws against cyberbullying simply because you have these kids killing themselves getting bullied on Facebook. Hell
.. back in the day like 2005 and way back then that, there was no filter or protection against negative comments or even being harassed on the web with your personal information. I’ve literally witnessed kids getting their info hacked and having pizzas and all sorts of shit getting sent to their doorstep by adults as in 20 and 30 year olds who were acting like they were cooler than life. Back then it wasn’t seen as serious maybe because I was 16 at the time but looking back at it now, those people were fucked up and losers for doing that to a kid.
So it could be worse for this guy right here. He has the courage to post artsy pictures of himself naked. These days, men being sexual objected and taking naked photos of themselves is okay. Back then, we called guys that were on that shit metrosexuals because it wasn’t cool to be all zoolander with it. Maybe among gay guys but the stereotype for gay guys were men who were way too preoccupied about looking attractive and sexy.
Alan David Smith
i had never used the term internet troll’s before. because i wasn’t sure what it meant. but i have met more than my share. of these people. even off the net. they are never happy. always spreading thier misery. if they won a million dollars. they never talk about the joy but how much they had to pay in taxes. i delete them as fast as possable
youarekiddingme
@moldisdelicious: Back in the day? 2005! You must be young…The difference here is simple. In general, you cannot be prosecuted for making threats to anyone (unless there is a protection order against you). The exception to the threat rule is the President of the United States. You can’t threaten him. You can be threatened by a person but until something happens or a pattern (i.e., stalking occurs) there is NO CRIME. The difference here is the FEDERAL LAW of Internet Threats. They have been made illegal. They cross state lines (the internet flows through state lines so even if the parties live next door it’s still a Federal Offense).
Have there been any prosecutions? Well, the law is so new that the DOJ has compiled statisics quite yet…those will be available next year.
Here’s a little snipet from DOJ: “In January 2009, the United States Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) released the report Stalking Victims in the United States. According to the report—which defined stalking as “a course of conduct directed at a specific person that would cause a reasonable person to feel fear”—approximately 3.4 million people (14 in every 1,000 persons over age 18) were victims of stalking during a 12-month period in 2005 and 2006. Of those victimized, more than 1 in 4 reported that the stalking occurred in the form of e-mail (83%), instant messaging (35%), blogs or bulletin boards (12%), Internet sites about the victim (9.4%), or a chat room (4%). Additionally, nearly 3 in 4 stalking victims knew their offender in some capacity.
A very important tool in our effort to combat stalking and threats via the Internet is 18 U.S.C. § 875(c), which makes it a federal crime, punishable by up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine, to transmit any communication in interstate or foreign commerce containing a threat to injure the person of another.”
A case that was just decided in 2015 was Elonis v United States. Elonis Lost…Elonis argued protection under 1st Amendment Protections. Lost. Cyber Bullying IS REAL! IT IS IMPORTANT and it needs to be addressed! Yea, smart ass, kids are being bullied and they are committing suicide over this bullshit. It does need to stop!
It’s funny how I posted a general FYI and YOU responded to it…hmmm? Why would that be? Would it have something to do with the general tone of some of the comments made toward SCOTSHOT? Feeling a tad guilty are we? Don’t worry…everything you say, can and will be copied, printed and provided to federal authorities. Who knows…maybe YOU could be added to one of the statistics of the proseutions for threats over the internet? Have a great Sunday. Don’t forget to go to church.
Louis
@DaveNY: he basically engages in the exact same shit he’s complaining about, being one of those nasty “I can do no wrong” entitled queens who equate any disagreement, contrary opinion, or (heaven forbid!) criticism with “trolling”. Which tells me that A) girlfriend’s skin thinner than a peach, and B) he has no idea what ACTUAL trolling looks like.
You just supplied a perfect example of TROLLING ive been on this planet for 34 years and have dealt with every troll imaginable online and what you just wrote was a perfect example of just that.
Grow up already with that thin skin shit I swear many of you simply lack a conscience or common sense in general.
So many of you intentionally ignore how plenty of LGBT kids who took their lives were also told to GROW A THICKER SKIN OR SUCK IT UP amongst other ridiculous and highly insensitive stupidity.
Thank you though for providing perfect proof of what I said earlier about many of you you act more like hypocrites then bitch and whine when a hetero bullies us or discriminates against us for being gay or who we love .
Its pathetic to watch so as far as thick skin goes it has nothing to do with that whatsoever it does however have to do with being a decent fucking human being who actually is capable of respecting others instead of insulting them…constantly and justifying it.
So because you are gay you think you can make excuses for acting like a ENTITLED jerk all your life?
Hell no we certainly don’t allow the heteros to do that to us so we shouldn’t let ourselves do that either in this community
What a laughable word that continues to be COMMUNITY oh the IRONY based on the words and actions of so many of you here.
Smh.
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: uhhhh… I looked up the Elonis v. U.S. case and Elonis WON, in an 8 to 1 decision! You seem awfully agitated about something that didn’t happen.
Are there really *physical* threats here by “moldy”? If so, scotshot himself doesn’t seem too worried about them. Do either of them know where the other lives? You seem to think they are both in 8th grade in the same middle school.
Louis
@SeeingMoreClearly: Moron you are another perfect example of someone who lets their ego talk instead of actual humility.
I had no reason to look up some ridiculous word which is no different then another juvenile internet slang such as BUTTHURT and LULZ equally ridiculous words with no actual meaning or substance behind them.
Get real and get over yourself you are one of those pretentious individuals who always thinks your opinion is the only one that is valid and has meaning.
Another hypocrite.
onthemark
@Louis: “Moron you are another perfect example of someone who lets their ego talk instead of actual humility.”
Irony noted. Gosh, you display so-o-o-o much “humility” in THAT snarling statement!
Stop dragging the serious issue of teen suicide into your mentally ill personal dramas. That’s libelous. Nobody here is facilitating teen suicide, and you’re not in 8th grade anymore (although I’m astonished to find out you’re as old as 34! – wow).
“What a laughable word that continues to be COMMUNITY”
Yes – it IS a laughable word. So stop using it. There is no gay “community.” Grow the fuck up.
Take your phony “compassion” and stuff it up your tight butt.
Louis
@onthemark: Flagged jackass I don’t put up with hypocritical bullshit from morons like yourself.
You individuals should have already been banned from this site a long time ago considering you’re the idiots who are always violating the TOS on this site.
Im definitely not mentally ill you however are pathetic and continue to prove how useless people like you actually are in general as human beings.
Keep going with your ARROGANCE and pretentiousness though I find you laughable period you aren’t special and you sure as hell aren’t superior.
Just another self righteous joke who embarrasses the LGBT community and yes moron plenty of people use that term and I know many who think of it as a COMMUNITY.
Morons like you always attempt to distance yourself from that word because well quite frankly its people like you who always crap on people within this community and then laugh about it.
Whine some more about the big bad heteros and how they discriminate against you then look in the damn mirror at YOURSELF.
You epitomize hypocrisy so do your pals here.
Your words and attitudes speak for themselves and bud im no one to screw with I do not back down especially from a moron like you who thinks hes so SPECIAL .
Ironic you spoke of me acting ENTITLED and superior IRONY much ?
Smh.
Louis
@onthemark: Yeah fool the concept of telling people to grow thick skin doesn’t mean a damn thing to you because its always morons like you who are always SAYING THAT in the first place lol
Comparing that to what LGBT kids have been told was also logical you idiot but of course people like you ALWAYS have to act SUPERIOR and super educated about anything and everything.
Well you are definitely not about this specific subject considering people who commit suicide normally are suffering from mental problems or mental issues.
You look up that word and the word mental is attached to it so you immediately contradicted yourself with that stupid ATTACK referring to ME as MENTAL.
Aww wheres YOUR COMPASSION you bastion of love and light ?
I mean since you deem yourself so damn perfect all your fucking life.
Leave it to people like you to mock mental problems or issues you probably even mock the fucking homeless or those on welfare.
Republican hypocrite is that you? 🙂
Thank you for once again validating that idiots like YOU do indeed troll other posters and then you make up some lame ass justification or rationalization claiming its not trolling its just a difference of opinion.
There is a difference fool and even though you are UBER INTELLIGENT you don’t even grasp THAT SIMPLE concept. 🙂
Stop wasting my time now dumbass your kind are the ones I never put up with.
Thankfully I have better standards then that.
bottom250
As a very effeminate gay man there are a lot of trolls who don’t like us and I must admit there are times when I have cried because of their hurtful words.
Louis
@bottom250: Sensitivity is not a bad thing anyone who says it is is callous and weak themselves.
Louis
SeeingMoreClearly
@Louis: What do YOU know ? Really. You stated you’ve never heard of the term “gay ghetto”, so instead of acting like a wise person and looking it up you decide you must know everything already so SeeeingAll me) must be making that term up. Is that how you’ll behave for the rest of your life when a word comes up that you don’t know the definition of ?
Here you go ill do the same to your obnoxious pal onthemark .
Enjoy the taste of your foot in your mouth you decided to insult me when I wasn’t even responding to you nor did I in the beginning of my comment directly call any one single person on this site out I said many of you I didn’t mention names because it wasn’t important or relevant to me.
You however decided to insult my intelligence…intentionally and unprovoked over a dumb disagreement that was I was nothing but civil and respectful about .
All over the freaking word gay ghetto I swear some of you just scream hypocrite.
onthemark
@Louis: Oh come on. It’s impossible to believe you find ANYTHING “laughable.”
Poor kid, I didn’t mean my remark about stuffing your phony “compassion” up your butt to be insulting. You’re gay but that would be the first thing that’s been up there in quite awhile, so you might enjoy it… well, you don’t enjoy much of anything, except feeling superior.
You confuse being “compassionate” with being sanctimonious. For you it’s all about feeling superior to everyone else. And you’re pissed off that we’re not buying it. Get over yourself. Get over your own… hypocritical “ARROGANCE”!
queertyqueerqueer
@Cam: lol ok
Louis
@onthemark:
Look at your own words you idiot you are continuing to describe your own dumb ass not me.
As far as anything being laughable yes you continue to be just that another pathetic twit who thinks they are all that and who always tries to turn it back around on the other person.
I don’t fall for that kind of shit im smarter then that .
Gay straight black white makes no difference to me an assholes still an asshole and you perfectly epitomize that specific word. 🙂
Yeah you can really read my mind see what I am thinking know what I experience in life to make a judgment call like that.
You haven’t refuted one damn word of what Ive said either its just one more ad homineim attack or insult after the other over and over again with people like you .
Look up both of those words dumbass because first of all I don’t even think of the word sanctimonious considering that’s a religious term for the most part and Im atheist so your comment made no logical sense whatsoever in that regard .
Uh huh uh huh uh huh ive heard all this shit before numbnuts its the same thing over and over with people like you confusing being compassionate with being WEAK .
Is it my fault that idiots like you get off on shitting on anyone and everyone and then acting like you are the SAINTS in the scenario?
Hell no that’s bad parenting 101 and that’s on you not me .
Keep being an ass that’s pretty much the only thing people like you are ever good at it in the first place.
Forgive me for seeing the hypocrisies within this COMMUNITY and how many of you act towards others and then you bitch whine and moan about the big bad heteros and how they discriminate against us and BULLY us etc…
Yet morons like you use words like BULLY to demean others and refer to them as whiners, pathetic, and weak.
So you are the WINNER in this scenario?
On what fucking planet? lol
Do something about your delusions of grandeur they are getting worse by the second .
Now if you have nothing worth a shit to say which has been obvious in this entire infantile argument here waste someone elses time.
I have better things to do then to continue to converse with someone who gets off on acting like a pompous self righteous ass all their lives.
That’s your issue and your fault no one elses but yours and of course your pals here will join in on this for sport because you have no lives and nothing else to occupy your time with.
CIAO again maybe eventually your arrogant ass will finally get the not even close to subtle HINT you mean nothing to me period.
I distance myself from people like you in this COMMUNITY and always have .
As I said earlier I have my standards I have far more integrity then to associate much less converse with you callous insensitive MACHO imbeciles here. 🙂
Louis
@onthemark: @onthemark:
No since you are obviously implying I have a stick up my ass no I don’t.
You however sure have your head up your own and continue to. 🙂
Johnathan
MISS CARROLL; READ YOUR OWN ARTICLE! TALK ABOUT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!
SeeingMoreClearly
@Louis: Did you educate yourself about the term “gay ghetto” ? And again, where in the world are you from that you never heard of that basic terminology ?
onthemark
@Louis: Hey, I wasn’t “implying” that you have a stick up your ass. I was saying you don’t have ANYTHING up your ass and you probably should! You sound kind of horny and frustrated and you aren’t gettin’ any. A stick would be an improvement. 🙂
What a great invention the internet is. It keeps crazy people like you from engaging with real life and getting into real trouble!
onthemark
@SeeingMoreClearly: LOL. I missed your original exchange with him but gee, what 34-year-old gay guy hasn’t heard that term?
Louis keeps yammering on about the mythical gay “community,” and he obviously prides himself on being gayer-than-thou, so to speak, and yet he never heard the term “gay ghetto”?
I bet anything he lives in a “gay ghetto” too!
SeeingMoreClearly
@onthemark: And he accused me of making up the term ! Talk about uninformed.
youarekiddingme
@onthemark: Good morning Ms. Budinski!
First, the original post was not directly pointed at “moldy” but somehow she brought it up…hmmm?
Second, she said “how many times has anyone men locked up for internet threats’…clearly there have been. I provided proof for one such “lock up.” Did it hold up to the Supreme Court? No. Was he locked up? Yes. Yes, you are correct, in the case of Elonis the court DID say that there must be SPECIFIC INTENT proven by the prosecution (as there are in most criminal cases). Without specific intent you basically have perhaps a good civil case. Perhaps a law change now? I did not read the entire case brief this morning when I posted it (at 2:49 am local time–insomnia). So, you are correct. I did post erroneous information. I appologize for that.
Third, your point about “physical threats.” The fucking original post wasn’t directed to ANYONE you idiot!! It was not directed at “moldy” for words she said so I have no fucking CLUE what you are talking about!
So, attack me for incorrectly posting a court decision (Elonis) where the OUTCOME did not result in a final conviction…I’m a big boy and I can handle it.
Now let’s see if YOU’RE man enough to see that the original post that had NOTHING to do any specific person…including moldy! I do admit to my errors when I make them (and trust me, they are quite frequent). Let’s see you admit and appologize for yours.
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: You were the one who brought up the subject of “physical threats.” Well, if that wasn’t directed at “moldisdelicious,” and it wasn’t directed at anyone else in particular either, why did you bring it up?
“the original post was not directly pointed at “moldy” but somehow she brought it up…hmmm?” Uhhhh… so what?
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: If I understand you correctly: Your first post was not directed at ANYONE and therefore, none of us should have read it? Therefore, we should apologize if we did happen to read it? Jeepers. Well if it helps you, yeah I’m sorry I read it! 🙂
youarekiddingme
@onthemark: You’re the FIRST person to use the word *PHYSICAL* in terms of threats in your response to me so pull yourself back into reality shall we?
If it wasn’t directed at at anyone why bring it up? Nonya. Besides that…Did you read? FYI. OMFG Wake Up.
Your “last” point…if not pointed out to moldy why did she bring it up? Your response (a very intellectual one I might add), “Uhhhh… so what?” My response to her was…”…would it have something to do with the general tone of the comments made toward Scotshot? and feeling a tad guilty.” If you can’t read between the lines I guess your intellectual capacity is limited. I think I pretty well painted the picture? Wtf do you care anyway? Are you and moldisdelicious’ BFF’s? I’m quite sure she’s capable of handling her own discussions without YOUR remarks.
Btw, I KNEW you were going to deflect the question about the original post not being directed at “moldy” to AVOID an APOLOGY! That is the cowardly thing to do after all. Stick up for your friend if you wish but but keep your deflections and your bullshit to yourself (or not). Expect replies for any and all bullshit you put out. You too…Have a great Sunday!
youarekiddingme
@onthemark: You are indeed MENTALLY deficient! Do you understand FYI or is that BEYOND your intellectual capacity to comprehend? Are you incapable of using a simple dictionary (of which there are several available online)? It means (you idiot) For Your “INFORMATION”! You know sometimes folks get a bit carried away…and (have) made physical threats of violence online (It actually happened on this site…OMG say it isn’t so). It was information, information. Get it?
Fuckin read it. Don’t. I don’t give a fuck. Take it to heart? Maybe you should…
Your inability to mentally process information, then divert attention away from a topic (to avoid blame) has shown in several of your discussions on this site. You are an irresponsible little man who happened to “jump into” a converstation that had absolutely NOTHING to do with you. For what reason…to START TROUBLE!! I think that’s a pretty good definintion of the word, TROLL!
Again, have a great Sunday!
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: What am I supposed to “apologize” for, again?
I realize that your original rambling post re: the federal law – which is apparently now unconstitutional since Elonis and a moot point – wasn’t directed at anyone and you posted it for no reason at all. Perhaps you recently took a typing class and you needed to practice your newfound typing skills?
(Btw, I don’t particularly like “moldisdelicious” – partly because of his disgusting screen name! Yuck.)
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: “I think that’s a pretty good definition of the word, TROLL!”
An even better definition is someone who stays up til 2:30 in the morning typing comments about Supreme Court decisions and then getting all the details wrong such as, who won and who lost! LOL.
And then the next day you want sympathy because, boo hoo hoo, you were up til 2:30 am doing this oh-so-important “work”… so of course you got it wrong… but of course, now you say you didn’t really want anyone to READ it, oh no.
Have some coffee, dude – you must have a long night of trolling ahead on other sites. No doubt Queerty can’t provide enough material for you!
Paco
Mean Girls?
Are you a “Heather”, Miss Carroll? You read like one.
Maybe a venue that doesn’t have a comment section would be a better fit for your expectations of an Internet audience.
youarekiddingme
@onthemark: Dude….I’m not a “Dude”. Grow up little man! Ever hear of insomnia? Oh yes, that damn dictionary again… That word INFORMATION again…. Still can’t figure that out either can you? Information vs “not wanting people to read it.” How about reading themselves into it? You still didn’t bother reading the above 2 posts (try having someone read and explain for you?) You didn’t understand the part about others here (not anyone on this thread) making physical threats? No, no I guess not. Could it Possibly have occurred to you that I may have some information about the subject? No, no, no. A little friendly information. No, no, no. Just be a fucking budinsky!
The case I brought up. The initial info on it that I looked up showed the prosecution, not the final outcome. Not an excuse. My fault. I took/take responsibility for my misinformation.
Now keep your fucking stupid trap shut. I don’t need your words or your worthless, meaningless apology for attacking “moldy” in the first place you ignorant shit-starting troll!
I have no clue why the fuck you even got started running your mouth here. NOTHING was directed toward you PERIOD! You interjected into a conversation that had NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU!!! TROUBLE MAKER—TROLL!!!!
martinbakman
@[email protected]: I enjoy your way with words. 🙂 Remember to smile.
https://youtu.be/Ps6ck1ejoAw?t=3s
youarekiddingme
@onthemark:
ONTHEMARK = TROLL
inbama
@Cam:
Well, I’ve waited too long to reply, and we’ve reached the all-too-predictable point where the bloggers where Queerty bloggers turn on each other and indulge all those festering hatreds and resentments they’ve had toward each other in some cases for years.
It’s ugly enough to bolster Carroll’s case, but is it trolling? I used to think I knew what that word meant, but now that I’ve googled it, I’ve found scores of pages on the subject defining it as practically anything in the eye of the beholder. (For instance, http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/18-types-of-internet-trolls )
So back to your theory. These definition-stretching crybabies can’t all be physically stunning Broadway dancers falling for the lies they hear from men who just want to get into their pants, don’t you think?
moldisdelicious
@youarekiddingme:
You’re a jackass. Cut the bullshit okay. What I’m saying is quite simple. The crying and victimization that you’re talking about occurring on the web is over exaggerated and you got way too many people living through this motherfucker than living off it. 10 years ago, most people didn’t take this shit too seriously because they knew when to turn their computer off because the computer wasn’t life. Sad enough, this internet shit is now the lives of many people where they can’t imagine going without a day without having internet access.
A lot of you guys really need to come back to reality and stop with the fantasy shit. This here is not life. As much as some of you think that you’re tough or scaring other people among other gay people, you’re just being delusional because most folks ain’t tripping off of you. I laugh to myself when I see all these gay dudes trYing so hard to be somebody on the web and even offline when the truth is that out there, no one is taking them seriously because they’re acting more like characters than real people.
Ryan Field
I’ve been subjected to every single ounce of criticism and opinion there is online as an author and I’ve never once complained butthurt or screamed troll in all the time I’ve been doing it. So I have very little sympathy when I hear someone else do it.
youarekiddingme
@moldisdelicious: You are hysterical! Quite a simpleton as well. You talk about how people are foolish and take this “shit” too far…yet you come on here and do NOTHING but swear at me to attempt to get YOUR petty point across. If the internet is such “shit” to you then why are you spending so much of your time writing your comments on it? I’m not just talking about on this particular topic, but on MANY others. Can you say HYPOCRITE?
Btw, have you done any work in law enforcement in this particular area? Do you know anything about stalking? Do you know how many young people put up with this crap every day…and your response (to previous posters) is to quit whining. You have no clue. Kids of this generation ARE connected to the internet. Grow up and join the 21st Century. I’m over 50 years old so I am not a part of this generation of computer wizards. Don’t know much about twitter or any of that other crap. I do know that people who harass others are in a menace. You don’t think so because you have an inflated sense of self worth and a bully. What you are in person…I have no idea (I can however imagine).
I don’t “think” I’m tough. I am quite confident in my abilities. I don’t sit at home “hiding.” You, on the other hand claim to just “shut the computer off” but by the volume of your responses on this it would site suggest otherwise.
Please, next time you don’t like it when someone points out your irresponsible, childish attacks on others, just become an adult and learn from it.
Cam
@inbama:
Oh no, I was saying that about the particular individual who wrote this article.
moldisdelicious
@youarekiddingme:
Shut up, fucker.
youarekiddingme
@moldisdelicious: You are actually quite funny once again…Your entire previous post spews nothing but,
“…turn their computer off because computer wasn’t life”
“…this internet shit is now the lives of many people where they can’t imagine going a day without internet access.”
“….you guys need to come back to reality and stop this fantasy shit. This here is not life.”
“….as much as you think you’re tough or scaring other people…”
Why don’t you turn off the computer? This isn’t real life! Why acting so tough?
“Shut up, fucker.”
Very intellectual…you need to talk with someone (perhaps bipolar)? When losing discussions you too have the inability to admit you’re wrong so you lash out, make coutradictory statements and throw a temper tantrum.
Try to have a better week.
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: “Could it Possibly have occurred to you that I may have some information about the subject? No, no, no. A little friendly information. No, no, no.”
More like misinformation. The law you so laboriously told us about… it didn’t occur to you that the Supreme Court struck down that law as unconstitutional? In violation of the First Amendment? Elonis didn’t just somehow escape a “final conviction” (whatever you think THAT means). He won the case, and the law used to prosecute him – or at least a large part of it – was struck down as unconstitutional.
And it’s the cheapest form of argument to drag suicidal schoolchildren into this. They know their trolls in real life. That has nothing to do with adults on a site like this.
Also, you really need to stop getting stoned while posting here… DUDE!
onthemark
@youarekiddingme:
“Now keep your fucking stupid trap shut.” – youarekiddingme
“Shut up, fucker.” – moldisdelicious
Who is more of a troll? I think you’d win that election in a landslide, DUDE!
Hillers
The most delicious part of this article is the litany of comments corroborating it.
#yum
youarekiddingme
@onthemark: Mr. Budinski aka offthemark: What is it now the THIRD TIME I have to tell you about an ERROR that I made…dare to dream huh? Mr. Perfect. Never made one of those huh? Told you, what 3 times now about the final decision of the Elonis Decision. Yes, I was in error!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Satisfied now?
Now, Mr. Perfect, go ahead and bring it up again, everyone will see how it is your goal once again to do nothing but “stir up trouble!”
“…the cheapest form of argument to drag in suicidal schoolchildren into this. They know their trolls in real life…”
Sir, that is the most WARP, DEMENTED thing I have yet to hear anyone spew from their mouthes yet! To call a school child a “troll” and to say they know they are…you are SICK!
You know NOTHING of suicidal people or the mental illness that acoompanies it.
The reason this “unconstitutional” law was first written was to protect (especially children) from online bullying/predators.
You know NOTHING.
You call school kids “TROLLS.” You are beyond reason.
You are SICK!
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: (sigh) – You misunderstood the grammar.
“They know their trolls in real life” = they know who their trolls are in real life. I wasn’t saying they know they’re (they are) trolls.
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: And you don’t need to put quotes around “unconstitutional.” The law is unconstitutional, at least as it was originally written.
The government doesn’t care about the silly stuff we are writing on this site. That’s protected by the First Amendment.
BUT – you’ve used much more foul and abusive language than literally anyone in this thread. You should worry less about the federal government and worry a little more about the Queerty Comment Policy, which they sporadically enforce.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: You still prove how much of a nasty little man you are. You’ll never change. You’ll always be the same miserable wretch with serious emotional issues. I understand you have no one in this world. You shouldn’t take that out on the rest of us. You’re entire existence is on this website.
@youarekiddingme: Ignore him. He’ll argue and argue for weeks about the same inane crap. Offthemark has never made a valid point… ever. He’ll argue about anything and everything for the sake of it. I think he likes seeing his own posts… it’s all about self centered delusinos.
There is no first amendment on a privately owned internet site. You can be banned at any time. And personally I think some here should not be allowed to post, and that includes offthemark.
Giancarlo85
@Louis: He’s a bitter deranged fool who thinks he has everyone figured out. Offthemark is a seriously unstable little man with some major chips on his shoulder. He’ll go after anyone and everyone that disputes the endless flow of verbal diarrhea he says.
Cam
@Hillers: said… “The most delicious part of this article is the litany of comments corroborating it.”
_____________________
Actually the point of the article seemed to be that anybody who disagreed with the author was jealous and couldn’t believe how much he’d been given in life. (Apparently he was given so much that he has to write articles attacking those who disagreed with his last article)
So explain your post. I really don’t see any comments on here from people that seem to be jealous of the author. Disdainful of his writing, unimpressed by this whiny post, and amused at his lashing out in disbelief that everybody doesn’t love every word he writes. But that’s about it.
onthemark
@Giancarlo85: Says the one who wrote almost Nazi-like comments about you hate people with disabilities, and then you freaked out when it was pointed out to you that all this stuff is on Google forever and your employer might see it. How’s your “new” job going, btw? 🙂
@Cam: That’s a good way of putting it. Also the author declared right up front that he was NOT going to be reading the comments! Despite that “red flag,” no one really fell for it or proved his theory.
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: Yea, you’re right. After the comment about calling school kids (who are harrased) TROLLS, I’ll have nothing to do with a weak, pathetic, useless little man!
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: Again, that’s NOT what I wrote. You merely confused “their” with “they’re,” so you completely misunderstood the sentence. Because you’re not very bright. (Notice how I write “you’re” instead of “your not very bright”?)
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: Here goes offthemark again trying to tell me about english syntax to cover up his disgusting hate for children on the internet..
Unfortunately for him by the context of his written statements, everyone knows what he meant by his statement. Warped little man.
onthemark
@youarekiddingme: Again, that’s not what I wrote. Also, please buy a dictionary and look up the word “syntax,” which you’re [you are] using incorrectly.
I was bullied as a kid, and I’ve [I have] written about that here before, and I deeply resent your dragging suicidal schoolchildren into this. As important an issue as that is, it’s totally irrelevant to the subject of this article.
You’re [you are] the only one here violating the Queerty Comment Policy. If you think you’re [you are] being bullied on this site, feel free to LEAVE.
Giancarlo85 can leave too (again!) if he wants; no doubt 99% of the posters would be thrilled.
youarekiddingme
@onthemark: Please…enough. You wrote, what you wrote. You hate kids who complain about internet harassment–hence your whole argument against the law. Stop being a liar!!
Trying to LIE about your choice of words is all a game of coverup. Read the context of your argument and the sentences surrounding that bullshit statement!
Looks like you made it though your bullying. That’s all these kids want to do as well.
I’m violating Queerty’s Comment Policy…ok, I’ll own that. You are an angel huh…Mr. Perfect? No violations there huh? Nice attempt to change the subject though…gotta give you that!
Notice how no one has coming running to your aid to defend you for your remarks being misconstrued? Funny huh?
I am through with you little man! Sick, Demented little toadstool!!
onthemark
But I didn’t make any “argument” against the law myself. I pointed out that the Supreme Court already said it was defective, like it or not, so you needn’t have bothered staying up til 2:30 am typing about a law that was already obsolete.
Don’t blame me. I don’t run the Supreme Court. 🙂
No one is reading this anymore because we’re on Page 3 already. People tend to lose interest after it leaves Page 1.
Don’t believe everything you hear from Giancarlo85. He tends to lie about what people write here because he’s too lazy to keep track of anyone.
I agree with you that some new laws would be helpful regarding harassment & stalking – REAL harassment & stalking – but since there is no harassment & stalking going on in THIS comment thread, that is irrelevant here. We don’t know each other in real life here… probably a good thing.