First of all, who would be on this committee? Maggie Gallagher, Brian Brown? Or how about Peter Sprigg or Tony Perkins? Or even worse, Matt Barber? I would say Peter LaBarbera but even I’m not that crazy.
And just what would they investigate or rather how would they investigate certain matters? Remember during the Clinton Administration, how investigations of Whitewater “magically” pivoted to other matters having absolutely nothing to do with legal matters but more about Clinton’s personal life?
Whose to say that this “commission” wouldn’t turn into a fishing expedition determined to undermine and destroy pro-gay organizations? And I haven’t even mentioned bloggers.
– The inimitable Alvin McEwen from Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters discussing NOM’s so-called “Marriage Pledge” already signed by Michele Bachmann, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and GOP presidential drop-out Tim Pawlenty.
Travis
Like commissions have ever done anything useful before…
Cam
Also remember The Mormon Church appears to have created the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) in the summer of 2007 to qualify Californiaâs Proposition 8 for the November 2008 ballot. They set it up as a Mormon front group, exactly as they did with a very similar organization called Hawaiiâs Future Today (HFT) in that state in 1995. HFT was established to pass a constitutional amendment in Hawaii to ban same-sex marriage.
Californians against Hate created this website to detail this as well as showing that most of NOM’s board members are high ranking Mormons or have significant family ties to high ranking Mormons
http://mormongate.com/
Shawn
I’ve been chased down the street after hugging a friend goodbye, had bottles thrown at me standing on the curb with friends and had my No On 8 sign defaced. Where is my presidential commission Ms. Bachmann?
Little Kiwi
i love how they claim they’re harassed, then they fully go out with a multimillion dollar campaign to “harass” and “punish” those who voted for marriage equality. NOM is actively punishing the few GOP members who supported the NY Marriage Equality bill.
NOM is like that kid in the playground who runs to the teacher and says “The whole fight started when they hit me back!”
Pete n SFO
@Cam: I’m with Cam… I feel as though the corruption of NOM, Katholic Khurch, & Mormom Church are all very connected… and that there are very, deep, pockets supporting what basically amounts to a few zealots, now more invested in their lifestyle than any real religious belief.
With 2 Court decisions saying they need to disclose where the money comes from, and still no actual disclosure, someone has got to dig deeper and find the truth. I just wish I knew how? They’re laughing at all of us.
The fringe of the GOP wants more religion in politics, but the rest of America mostly doesn’t. I think people would be shocked how much religion is shaping policy in the country.
Please someone with know-how take this on!
ewe
Tony Perkins has a smelly crusty asshole.
ewe
Does anyone know if the Bummer has evolved yet?
Jimmy Fury
Not really surprising they want to do their own harassment investigations. For all their talk of the evil gays harassing them you only need to look at the number of actual harassment charges being filed to see the truth (hint: zero).
The crustybastard
@ewe:
No, Obama still believes that gay Americans are neither “people” nor “citizens” as contemplated by the Fourteenth Amendment.
He also evidently believes that regardless of how intelligent or law-abiding a gay American is, we all lack the competency to enter the civil marriage contract, capacity presumed to any incarcerated violent felon or any mentally handicapped heterosexual.
He takes these positions on the law and public policy because of his Christian faith. Which means that, when it comes to our civil rights, Obama is a theocrat.
But he thinks he deserves our support because he thinks he’s met his commitments to our community.
What a jackass that guy turned out to be.
Henry
@ewe: Just like Rachel’s.
Alex
@Henry: Rachel’s is more crusty since she’s been in the ground for a few years.
Little Kiwi
oh Crusty, do you actually believe what you said? REALLY?
You are aware that he remains the most pro-LGBT President in American history, correct?
Curious – who did you vote for in the last presidential election and who will you plan on voting for in the next?
I’d appreciate some insight and clarity. thanks.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: I am not voting for someone who says i am not equal to my fellow citizens in all ways and tells all the non profit religious that being gay is a non issue. Until then OhBummer is a threat to freedom. Ask yourself, would you go into the home of the “evildoer Bush on his pointy axis of yellow and orange green terror” knowing he hates you or into the home of the “yes we can do OhBummer i support da gayz except” not admitting to yourself he hates you?
slanty
Republicans are always coming up with new ways to fight equality. The commission, while horrifying, is not very surprising.
ewe
@The crustybastard: i agree. no matter what else is going on it is hypocritical to be bitching about the ugliness of politics when he is the problem of exactly that. It makes absolutely no sense. It is so dysfunctional that nothing will ever move forward in our favor. OhBummer is antigay. He flat out says that gay people do not deserve the same rights as straight people and says he is evolving as a way to silence gay people and silence his critics as racist for bringing up the subject of evolution that he brought up. He is a political hack at the highest and worst level and as we speak he is headlining on the very same bus that we are going to be symbolically thrown under. And to any flipped out nutwings against the other haters on the ballot that do not accept what i say i can only remind you that it is not up to me or you or anyone else to secretly decipher what OhBummer really means underneath all the hate speech directed at gay people. His words are his words and they are as equally discriminating to us as the repuglykunts.
Little Kiwi
can you people then specifically answer my question? I’d love to hear your specific and clear answer.
whom did you vote for in the last presidential election and who will you be voting for in the next presidential election?
genuinely curious – you seem to feel that there is a much stronger LGBT-supportive candidate.
so, who is it? thanks.
Henry
ewe, aka Charles Rozier, for someone who loves women so much, you use the word bitch very often.
Little Kiwi
because what it sounds like to me is either you’re some wimpy-assed gay republican who confuses your parent’s shame of you being gay with “love” , or you’re yet another in a long line of homosexual racists who flatly refuses to acknowledge that Obama is, indeed, the most pro-LGBT President in American history simply because you can’t get over the fact that he’s black.
So, prove me wrong. I’d love it.
Answer: whom did you vote for in the last Presidential election and who will you be voting for in the next?
Specifics, please. Don’t just whine about Obama – specifically tell me which candidate is more pro-LGBT since you claim to know one.
thanks!
ewe
@ewe: The result is the same. Inequality. vote third party. .
Little Kiwi
eww. crusty.
i asked a specific question that you’re now choosing to ignore.
whom did you vote for in the last president election, and since you believe there is a stronger gay-supportive candidate, who is it that you’ll be voting for in the next election?
ewe
@Henry: Am i supposed to know what in the hell you are referring to?
ewe
@Little Kiwi: Girl, Obama is biracial. Get another platform. you bore me.
Little Kiwi
i notice you can’t answer my clear and direct question with clear and direct honesty.
that speaks volumes.
whom did you vote for in the last election and which candidate will you be voting for in the next, since you claim that there is a candidate who is stronger on LGBT issues.
So, who it it?
thanks.
Little Kiwi
if you’re not voting for Obama because he’s not pro-LGBT enough, then whom did you vote for in the last election and who will you be voting for in the next?
Specific names, please. thanks.
Henry
@Little Kiwi: Psychopaths don’t answer direct questions. They feel intimidated, like they’re giving something up by letting the person ask the question direct the conversation.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: do you know what third party means? there is a reason for the privacy of a ballot box and reason it is a law as well. It is exactly this type of interrogation you think you have the right to conduct. Let me tell you somehting honey. You got a lot of hootspa to be assuming you know the backgrounds of all the commenters here in that empty little head of yours. Keep your racebaiting to yourself.
Little Kiwi
do you know what “specific” means? Whom did you vote for in the last election (name, please) and whom will you be voting for in the next, as you clearly feel there is a candidate who is specifically more Pro-LGBT.
I’d like to know the specific name.
thanks.
ewe
@Henry: Abusive authority routinely attempts to label people the same way you are cowardly doing. Fortunately you have no credibility in that area either. Go smoke another rock and dream up some other string theory linking your warped fantasies to each other.
Little Kiwi
if you have nothing to hide you’ll answer my clear and direct questions with a clear and direct answer.
whom did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
which candidate will you be voting for in the next election? Which specific candidate? Clearly you feel there is a more pro-LGBT candidate.
who is it?
thanks.
Henry
@ewe: In what area? What does abusive authority have to do with anything, and how is it cowardly to point out that you’re a psychopath? You’re completely cracked, Charles.
Little Kiwi
we’re not the cowards. we’re not the ones avoiding honestly and direct answers.
whom did you vote for in the last election, and which SPECIFIC candidate (that you clearly feel is more pro-LGBT) will you be voting for in the next?
Specifics, please.
If you know of a specific candidate that is more fiercely pro-LGBT you can do us all a favor by sharing their name
Thanks.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: I know exactly what you mean in your world of duopoly. this or that. yes or no. black or white. on or off. good or bad. The answer is no you relentless asshole. I did not vote for your personal enemy the repuglycunt. Satisfied?
o
@Henry: I can’t make any sense out of it either, but Charles has a habit of speaking very abstractly. It must be a nod to the German philosophers he admires so much, particularly the Nazi philosophers who influenced him to become an anti-Semite.
ewe
@Henry: I don’t know who the fuck Charles is and that is enough proof you are on Crack.
Little Kiwi
no. i asked you whom you specifically voted for, and i asked which specific candidate (whom you clearly feel is more pro-LGBT) you will be voting for in the next election.
these questions could not be any clearer. you should be able to answer them clearly and directly.
these are not trick questions.
whom did you vote for in the last election and who, specifically, will you be voting for in the next? which candidate is more Pro-LGBT? i’d love to hear about them.
thanks.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: write in Bernie Sanders. That is still an option even though your nazi like attitude don’t appwoove.
ewe
@o: stay on topic sweety and take up your issue with Charles himself. Cuckoo.
Robert in NYC
I believe NOM now has 3 court orders not 2, to disclose it’s high end donors in compliance with IRS code 501(c)4 for non-profits. To date, NOM has failed to deliver. Surely, there must be a way to enfore the court orders, no?
Sorry to disappoint any gay civil libertarians, but your darling Ron Paul now supports DOMA!
Henry
@ewe: Still projecting, Charles? You’re the only Nazi here. The reason you project is because you want to express that you’re a Nazi without saying it clearly. I also see that you’re calling o sweetie, which I did to a few people yesterday. You copy me because you’ve felt inferior to me for about a year now.
Little Kiwi
how am i a Nazi? because i asked a very specific and clear question that you wasted time and energy avoid answering directly?
i never said it wasnât an option. i asked whom you voted for. specifically. and you rambled like an idiot and refused to give me a direct and honest answer.
my asking for specific clarity doesnât make me a nazi.
I myself am a Democratic Socialist and indeed am a fan of Sanders.
You could have saved yourself a lot of drama if youâd just be clear and direct and honest. Your inability to do so speaks volumes about your lack of integrity and brains.
thanks for sharing.
ewe
@Henry: just because you repeat something over and over again Bill Oreilly does not make it anymore true. It just proves you are delusional which is what i said earlier. You freakazoid.
Little Kiwi
ewe, you seem to be angry that others can be clear, direct and honest while you yourself cannot.
that’s not our problem.
ewe
@Henry: and change up those meds. your OCD is out of control.
ewe
@Robert in NYC: You mean just like clinton did before he evolved after his presidency?
ewe
@Little Kiwi: my turn to ask you for your examples? You are a nut that thinks people have to answer to you.
Little Kiwi
Ewe, you came on and made lots of anti-Obama comments and then it was akin to pulling teeth to get you to be clear and direct about whom you voted for in the last election, and who you plan on voting for in the next.
I have nothing to hide. Ask any question and you’ll get a clear answer.
I’m a Canadian who’s been living in the US. I volunteered for Obama’s campaign, and in the last Canadian election voted NDP.
đ
ewe
@Little Kiwi: while you have been talking to me, i have been talking to five different people and i am still ahead of you. You brought up race thinking you would silence those who do not agree with you then you acted like the head of the inquisition as if anyone has to tell you who they vote for and then you throw insults at them about clarity that make no sense and that you have no examples in the record of. You are one tiny little kiwi alright. I will leave it at that.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: well there you go, it’s none of your damn business anyway.
Little Kiwi
i asked you a very clear and specific question. you did everything BUT answer it clearly and directly.
you threw out insults first. seems you can dish it but you can’t take it.
you could have very simply said “i voted for ______ because _____”
You did the exact opposite of that. thanks for proving me right.
i didn’t think i could silence you, you chose to silence yourself. it spoke volumes. đ
those of us with nothing to hide don;t play your evasive game. no wonder mom and dad are ashamed of you.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: I am not here to answer to you. I said Obama turned out to be a Bummer. Those are facts so if you want to interpret that as antiobama then go ahead. I am not interested in your hurling insults at me or anyone else in my life that you don’t even know you childish brat.
Little Kiwi
you came on and bitched about Obama, and have indeed ignored the FACT that he is the most pro-LGBT President in American history
that’s a fact. it’s indisputable. we’re all disappointed that not everythign has been done, and certainly not with the speed and directness we’d have liked, but he’s STILL the most pro-LGBT President. EVER.
that’s not up for decbate.
in the midst or your Obama-bashing, I asked you specifically whom you voted for int he last election, and who you will be voting for again. You threw a hissey-fit and did everything BUT answer it directly.
that spoke volumes. thanks for proving me right.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: Obama is my public advocate. Not yours. You ar a canadian citizen and you can pipe down about things that are none of your business. It is merely your opinion the Bummer is pro lgbt. I find it to be a lot of words and not nearly enough of them. I did not throw a hissey fit. I am telling you to fuck off. You are a nuisance.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: so there. get over it. Cawfee tawk honey.
Little Kiwi
it’s actually factual. Obama, despite being a “Bummer” is still, FACTUALLY, the most Pro-LGBT President in the history of the United State of America.
it’s not my fault that you refuse to see that. As for insults, you’ve been the one throwing them around more than anyone else. I get it, though. You hope if you reflect your parent’s racism then maybe they’ll finally accept you.
they don’t. your father still hates that you’re his son. and it likely won’t ever change.
you could have saved yourself drama by being clear direct and honest. you were the exact opposite. like i said, it’s no surprise your father wishes you weren’t his.
Obama’s track record, as president, is not up for debate – it’s empirical evidence; bummer or not, he remains the most pro-LGBT President in American history.
Queer Supremacist
Until NOM and its ilk are in federal prison for the rest of their unnatural lives, this country is not safe. We should bring back the HUAC so we can investigate them.
@Robert in NYC: You’re the only one talking about Ron Paul. I do not consider him a “civil libertarian” (your choice of words, not mine). He is a constitutional conservative: he’s okay with tyranny as long as it’s on state and local levels.
The only people in the race I’d piss on if they were on fire, let alone vote for, are Fred Karger and Gary Johnson.
Just because the anti-gay goyische tail is wagging the GOP dog (why else would Mitt Romney flip-flop on that lemon of a “pledge”?) does not make Democrats worthy of our support. Sorry kids, but Obama Claus isn’t gonna bring you a pony for Christmas this year.
@ewe: Don’t take it personally. White liberals love to project their prejudices onto anyone who disagrees with a minority for any reason whatsoever. It’s the new McCarthyism. I have been accused of being a racist, and they are right. I have very racist beliefs about white liberals, and no one else. And Obama is half of one.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: ok well not we are getting somewhere. You admit obama is a bummer. you don’t know the first thing about where and who and what my background is but feel free to rant about what my parents did. Doesn’t make you any more correct. secondly, you may want to secede from the queen and that monarchy before you come around here lecturing anyone about democracy
ewe
@Queer Supremacist: i dont take it personally. Little Kiwi is speaking out of her ass about people s(he) doesn’t even know.
Little Kiwi
and you might want to learn about Canada so you’ll know the monarchy’s role is ceremonial đ
Obama has not done all that i wanted, nor in the speed or fashion i’ve wanted.
that doesn’t change the fact that he is still the most pro-LGBT President in American history.
i don’t care what your parents did. it clearly messed you up royally.
like i said, no wonder you dad doesn’t want to call you Son.
Little Kiwi
look, Ewe, it’s not my fault that you’re an embarrassment to your father. But hey, if you think hating Obama will make him like you more, keep trying. đ
hehehe
toodles!
ewe
@Little Kiwi: I am not that insecure to believe your Marcus Bachman ex gay philosophy about damaged sons of fathers and wounded daughters of mothers. you fucking evangelical pig.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: your ceremonial puke is nothin but pomp and circumstance alright. You sound less than common with your talk about yo mama this and yo daddy that.
Little Kiwi
you’re not gay because your father is ashamed of you. you hate Obama because your father is ashamed of you. there’s a difference
đ
you’re gay. your father hates that you’re his son. you try to suck up to him by hating “the black president”
you’re textbook. but hey, prove me wrong – do what i do: post some videos of you and your father talking about LGBT Equality đ
let’s see it.
ewe
@Little Kiwi: i thought you said goodbye Cunt. Now you have proved yourself to be a liar as well. Keep that cross around your neck. maybe if you make it even bigger gold it will be more real.
Little Kiwi
hehehe. you’re just so funny. keep being mad at me. won’t change the fact that your father wishes you weren’t his.
buh-bye!
đ
ewe
@Little Kiwi: because yo mama this and yo daddy that and yo sista here and yo brotha there. that’s why. because i said so so it is the truth. Go back to Canada Kiwi.
Thomas
Do I get to sue NOM for calling me a pedophile and saying I like to fuck animals?
Jim Hlavac
@Thomas: Yes, it’s called “slander and libel” and we ought to pull that weapon out of the hat and throw it at these creeps. Haul ’em into court, make them proof their assertions, which they can’t — but otherwise to make knowingly false malicious charges to destroy the reputations and wealth of private citizens is actionable by the injured parties in civil suits. Hit them up for Billions in damages.
Weirdly though, I do call for a National Commission on Gay Americans — to figure out this mess and write up some laws that pertain to us. Just don’t forget to invite us to the thing.
On the other hand, if the anti-gay thing keeps up, no matter who is president, I’d recommend we all move to Washington, and surround the White House and Supreme Court with a continuous 24/7 protest, until rational thought prevails.
Riker
To those of you who don’t like Obama and plan on voting for someone else: you think OBAMA hates us? Wait until the three insane Republicans get in. Third party? It ain’t gonna happen. If for no other reason, the Supreme Court is going to have changes coming up in the next few years. Obama is the only one would will bring on sane, pro-gay judges. Any other vote except for Obama will be for the fascist Tea Party morons. Is he perfect? Far from it, but not being for marriage equality is the least of our problems if MittPerryBachmann get in.
Riker
@Riker: Would you mind changing your name? I’ve been using it on this website for well over a year, and since the membership system here sucks it makes people think that you’re me.
chrissie riot
I just wanted to point out that hootspa isn’t a word. It’s chutzpah.
Also the NOM panels sound a lot like the panels they had pre-Stonewall, to ferret out any gays with government jobs. :/ Investigating people who have different political ideology than the ruling government is totally an American thing. I’m pretty sure that’s what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the constitution.
JM
I know that I’m pretty dumb for having read all of ewe’s and kiwi’s crap, but still… I fucking hate you guys for making me read your inane, yet disturbingly entertaining crap. That’s 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back…
And ewe… Canada’s “monarchy” is only ceremonial. We keep dear Queenie around mostly because none of us want to put douche-waffle Harper’s smug grin on our precious loonies. đ
ewe
@JM: well you feel free to continue thinking that i am inane because i choose to confront idiots that say being gay is because of a bad relationship with a parent if you prefer. I won’t allow it and you are the inane one. And since you brought up the topic of being inane may i suggest you add that ceremonial monarchy to your list. England’s monarchy is mostly ceremonial too. So fucking what. It’s class warfare and you can try to pass your bullshit off on someone else. I am not the type of person who ogles over Canada like so many others. Stay on topic and don’t support ignorant statements even if they happen to be made by your own countrymen.
ewe
@Riker: oh lmao. that was so cute the way you asked the other riker so nicely.
Henry
@Little Kiwi: Charles Rozier isn’t gay, he’s bisexual, a very aggressive top with women and a cold fish bottom with men. He hates himself for it, and his mommy and daddy would too if they knew he was bi.
ewe
@chrissie riot: Thank you for pointing out that hootspa is not technically a word. It is slang that has been used for years by many including me. You say skedule. I say shedule. You say potayto. I say potahto. you say chutzpa. i say hootspa. oy vey.
Henry
@ewe: Chrissie, be sure to listen to Charles. Since he impersonates Jews online, he has to know more than a little Hebrew and Yiddish.