McCain Offers Immediate Attack

Obama Selects Biden As Running Mate


It’s official!

Barack Obama announced last night that he’s picked Delaware Senator Joe Biden as his running mate. Biden, who previously attempted to throw the press off track, brings 35 of Senatorial experience to Obama’s ticket. And, thanks to his seat on the Foreign Relations Committee, first hand international policy knowledge, which will help even Obama’s odds against John McCain.

Speaking of McCain, the Republican’s campaign team wasted no time in releasing an attack ad highlighting Biden’s past criticism of Obama, like when Biden said Obama wasn’t ready to be president. We’ve included that ad after below.

Biden will also help Obama rally working class voters, voters who once flocked to Senator Hillary Clinton and may have felt lost in the weeks since the Senator suspended her campaign. Without that key group Obama would surely lose. Bringing Biden on, however, may level the playing field.

In terms of gay politics, Biden’s a strong supporter of inclusive legislation and earlier this year helped Senator John Kerry overturn the ban on HIV positive immigration. He does not, however, support gay marriage, but the far safer “civil” unions. He’s also a long time supporter of hate crimes laws, as well as an opponent of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Needless to say, gay groups are tickled pink.

Joe Solmonese of the Human Rights Campaign offered these words this morning:

In selecting Senator Joe Biden as his running mate, Senator Obama has chosen a proven and effective advocate for fairness and equality that our entire community can be proud of… Senator Biden’s record in the United States Senate is one of support and understanding that has been unwavering throughout his career.

The Stonewall Democrats also had kind words for Biden, with executive director Jon Hoadley saying:

With the selection of Senator Biden, Democrats now have a national ticket that is ready to lead our party to victory this November…We know the stark contrast between strong leadership Senator Obama and the anti-equality record that John McCain continues to build. If we are to enact significant pro-equality positions at the federal level, then we must continue our work that is helping to elect Barack Obama as our next President.

The men will appear later this afternoon for their first public event as a team.

Here’s the McCain attack ad, which features Biden’s previous criticism of his then-opponent and also includes Biden’s positive remarks on McCain..

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120 Comments

  • seitan-on-a-stick

    Senator Hillary Clinton must be Ecstatic for her chances of winning the Presidency in 2012 since Barack Obama officially chose Senator Joe Biden as his running mate. Chosing experience over a littany of off the cuff comments in which Biden constantly finds himself in. We ask ourselves, who’s side will Biden be a pitbull for or against? This Motor Mouth Mabel could well sink the ticket like Dan Quayle did for Bush Sr or Joe Lieberman for Al Gore or John Edwards for John Kerry. It’s a good thing that Hillary can keep Senator Evan Bayh, the only Electoral College advantage to the O.B ticket to herself in 2012 against McCain should his recent surge translate to a win. They’re screwed if the Maverick Cadaver-in-waiting chooses Condi Rice!

    Go Obama-Biden!

    This is the Official Pick

    (just) the messenger (don’t shoot me!)

  • Bob

    I’d really like to know how the politics of change benefits from choosing someone who has been in the Senate for 35 years. Obama has been nothing but a disappointment for me from the minute it became clear he was the nominee. His run to the right threw our civil rights under the bus, his environmentalism is now seriously in questions, and he chooses a Washington insider as his veep candidate. I’ve never voted for a Republican, and never will, but I am more and more feeling like I’m going to sit this election out. (I can’t even vote Green Party because of that lunatic Cynthia McKinney.) I truly feel that Obama is a liar and a fraud — and a consummate politician as usual. How sad that my party completly fumbled a golden opportunity. Again.

  • AJ

    Hillary by acclamation in 2012.

  • John

    Looks like the Democrats are blowing it.

    Again.

  • dk

    BO is running for the United States of America, not the Liberals of America, not the gays of America or the Blacks of America. So yes after the primaries anybody who hopes to have a real chance at winning has to move toward the center. How did he throw our civil rights under the bus? By saying he believes marriage is btw a man and a woman? Change is a gradual thing that happens one step at a time. Otherwise all he’d do is energize the right even more like in 2004. He supports civil unions and thats more than what we’d ever get out of JM. Finally BO’s experience has always come into question so of course he needed someone who has been in DC for a long time. Just pray JB sticks to the script. And lastly as far as staying home… if you don’t vote, don’t bitch. whew!
    *steps off soap box*

  • seitan-on-a-stick

    DK, you are missing two letters with your Bloviations. Leave that to Obama-Biden (sounds too much like Osama Bin Laden) as we see our best hopes go down the toilet. I guess the difference between Democrats and Republicans is the difference between smelling shit and eating shit! BO is right! We will have to hold our noses on this one for sure, or vote Green (Not Nader) in Liberal states where the Dems do well, anyway (not too many left…) BO All the Way!

  • chadnnocal

    I wish them both the best of luck, but this really is the end of the DNC road for me.

    I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils.

    Ralph Nader, Independant, supports equal rights for gays and lesbians, including equal rights for same-sex couples.

    Adopt single payer national health insurance
    Cut the huge, bloated, wasteful military budget, AKA, Cheney’s Golden paracute
    No to nuclear power, solar energy first
    Aggressive crackdown on corporate crime
    and corporate welfare
    Open up the Presidential debates
    Adopt a carbon pollution tax
    Reverse U.S. policy in the Middle East
    Impeach Bush/Cheney

    Create More Jobs by Investing in America’s Future

    Since January 2001, 2.7 million jobs have been lost and more than 75% of those jobs have been high wage, high productivity manufacturing jobs. Overall 5.6% of Americans are unemployed while 10.5% of African Americans are unemployed. Unemployment among Latinos is nearly 30 per cent higher than January 20, 2001. By requiring equitable trade, investing in urgently needed local labor-intensive public works (infrastructure improvements), creating a new renewable energy efficiency policy; by fully funding education and redirecting large bureaucratic and fraudulent health expenditures toward preventive health care we can reverse this trend and create millions of new jobs.

  • seitan-on-a-stick

    Vote Green, Fuck Nader!

  • dk

    A protest vote is honorable, but leads nowhere. When’s the last time Nader won anything? How will things ever change unless we apply pressure to people who have actual power? It’s an ugly truth the but truth none the less.
    BTW I’m not an Obamaloonie, in fact I voted for Hilary in the primaries, but I am passionately opposed to grampa McSame.

  • chadnnocal

    I really don’t get… Why are GLBT Americans so excited to vote for a president that will not defend your rights as equal citizens?

    You are expected to pay full taxes and yet you will never have full civil liberties.

    Someone help me to understand, is the thinking that we are slightly closer than fifty years ago?

  • TXDemo

    I think it’s important to remember that we are electing a president, not a king or dictator. Whoever wins the Oval Office doesn’t just sit back in his chair and say “Make it so,” and then all these wonderful changes magically happen; that’s not reality. A president’s job is to execute the laws, and the laws are passed by Congress, 535 *other* elected peeps; every president needs to work well with Congress to get his/her programs passed.

    Biden may not have been everyone’s first choice here; but with 36 years in the Senate, he’s got tons of experience, more than Hillary and Bill put together; he’s definitely on the liberal side of the spectrum; and by all accounts he’s a well-liked guy among his Congressional colleagues. So the reality is, he can probably do a helluva job as VP and president of the Senate to get Obama’s proposals enacted into law.

    Plus, my guess is that having a straight white male on the ticket will attract some straight white male voters that are undecided; that’s also the reality of things. So let’s look on the bright side here, and not demand a perfection that can’t be found in real life. All is not lost, guys, not by a long shot. Change for the better – for everyone – is coming; be happy.

  • seitan-on-a-stick

    It’s about getting elected and White Women are the Great Swing Vote in this election and Biden may drown us in his baggage before we get to the experience of him as Vice President. Mainstream news sources view this pick as the Obama campaign’s nervousness over not winning this November. Now, McCain’s Veep pick is the do-or-die of this election process. The Green Party is not the same ticket that Ralph Nader is running on. If you live in a swing state, vote against McCain but if you have the luxury of choice, exercise your Voting Rights! Voters decide, not Pundits!

  • Bob

    DK, I’ll bitch all I want whether I vote or not. That’s my right, and you don’t get to take it away simple because you don’t like it. And throwing our civil rights under the bus meant voting to allow the telecoms to help the government spy on us, despite promising us during the primaries he’d do no such thing. Let him run to the right to appeal to mainstream America. But he’s never going to get elected without the help of the liberals who supported him early on, and are now having a serious case of buyer’s remorse …

  • dk

    Bravo TXDemo, bravo. And chadnnocal, it’s not as clear cut as you make it seem. Many presidents starting from I believe FDR supported civil rights in the forties, but it took 20 years for the legislation and even longer in the hearts and minds of people. (some still haven’t gotten there) But during that time there were small changes that slowly moved the country such as Truman desegregating the military in ’48, the Brown decision in ’54 etc. This is why I feel we have to move forward with LGBT issues inch by inch if necessary. If that means supporting someone who pro civil union, then so be it.

  • CitizenGeek

    I’m very happy with Joe Biden as VP, in fact. He’s got a strong progressive record, and as the first poster pointed out, he is staunchly pro-gay.

  • dk

    So Bob you’d prefer McSame? And no, I’m not happy with everything he’s done, but sitting home and not voting is only going to get the Rep. elected.

  • WickedGayBlog.com

    I woke up this am to see the text message that Obama picked Joe Biden for his VP pick and the first thing I did was go back to bed. This was the most lackluster, unexciting, predictable pick imaginable. Don’t get me wrong, Joe Biden is smart as a whip, has a great voting record, and is fair on GLBT causes overall but for a campaign that is based on change and hope, I now feel neither.

    This is one life-long liberal who has never been less excited about an election in my entire voting life.

    David, WickedGayBlog.com

  • Marco Channing

    After seeing Biden’s speech, I am very excited. Let’s face it–the majority of Americans respond better to football coach speeches than nuanced intelligence (proof: eight years of Bush and McCain’s recent bump in the polls). Biden has that quality, but he rallies the working class rather than the military/war mentality. I think he will help “translate” Obama’s merits to average American.

    The reality is, McCain cannot win. It would be the end of American Democracy as we know it. Even if you aren’t 100% behind Obama, he is America’s ONLY chance ifor survival n this election.

  • CHURCHILL-Y

    Obama’s message to women: Drop dead!!!

    That’s also his message to Gays by the way.

    P.U.M.A ’08

  • mark

    7 kitchen tables….BAM!

    PA, OH, MI, CO, VA, FL, MN, WI, MO just went BLUE

  • mark

    fired up….ready for JOE

  • CitizenGeek

    “This was the most lackluster, unexciting, predictable pick imaginable.”

    This isn’t a Hollywood thriller, it’s a general election.

  • An Other Greek

    Why so much hating on this site against Obama and now Biden?

    One says he’ll vote for McCain.
    Another says “he’s never been LESS excited” !
    Another says this is telling women to drop dead!

    oh, Mary, what angry witches we have trolling here…

    I think Biden is a strong complement, and yes, I’m excited…

    Look forward to 8 years of his strong talk (he aint no weakling) as well as his gaffes, and no, they won’t bring Obama down, puh-leeze, S-0n-a-stick. Nice spin, but way off…

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  • Allen

    Anyone who does not vote for Obama is shooting themselves in the foot. There is absolutely NO WAY a vote for McCain will help promote our cause, and a vote for the Green Party is throwing away our chance for change. Will Obama deliver everything we want? Of course not. But we will PROGRESS with him as our president, not REGRESS as we have in the past 8 years.

  • Marco Channing

    “Obama’s message to women: Drop dead!!!”

    WTF?

    McCain is Anti-Choice, Anti-Roe v. Wade, voted against requiring health care providers to cover birth control, yet voted for coverage of Viagra, called his wife a c*nt, offered her up for a topless beauty contest, was once known for telling rape jokes, and left his ex-model first wife after she lost her looks in car accident.

    But, because Obama didn’t want to have THREE presidents in the White House (him, Hillary and Bill), he’s now somehow anti-woman?

    How does one arrive at this conclusion?

  • Mr C

    Bottom LINE, the ticked it solid. I was hoping for Hillary but it doesn’t look that way.

    Green,Red, or purple will not mean much come Nov. it is the lesser of 2 evils and if Hillary was one she’d get my vote. She’s out he’s in and I will support Obama.

    And when any of you will find a president that will put Gays front and center. PLEASE let me know so they can get my support. last I seen there wasn’t ONE!

    Obama/Biden 08′

    By the way, the one who saidObama’s message to women: Drop dead!!! C________-Y

    If that insane McCain wins. They will drop dead and so will the gays. And I’m not having that at all!

    THINK ABOUT IT!

  • mark

    Churchlady what you know about women could be shoved up a gnat’s a$$ and stll rattle like a BB in a boxcar

  • Brian Miller

    Biden’s a strong supporter of inclusive legislation and earlier this year helped Senator John Kerry overturn the ban on HIV positive immigration

    That’s not really true.

    On the two biggest federal votes on gay issues in history, Biden flunked both of them. He voted for DOMA and also voted for the anti-gay military policy.

    He has also repeatedly refused to cosponsor a partial or full DOMA repeal, and has shown no interest in becoming a Senate sponsor for companion legislation to the MREA — which would end the anti-gay ban in the military.

    In the end, he’s got a record that’s just like most of the Republicans who McCain is considering for his running mate.

    Surely gay people can do better — if we demand it.

  • hell's kitchen guy

    “having a straight white male on the ticket will attract some straight white male voters”

    Last time I looked every candidate for pres or vp (except Geraldine Ferraro) was a str8 white male, so I can’t see how this pick exactly “balances” the ticket.

    Biden is a motormouthed, foot-in-mouth nonentity, who, if he were living in any state with a population greater than Wichita, would never have risen higher than mayor.

    I live in a blue state, so I have the luxury of a protest vote.

  • mark

    An Other Greek

    Those angry queens include Miss Ken Mehlman, David Dreier, Matt Drudge, Karl-Miss Piggy-Rove, Scotty McClellan…and it seems they are all typing as fast as they can today.

    girls….NEVER let them see you sweat

  • TXDemo

    “In the end, he’s got a record that’s just like most of the Republicans who McCain is considering for his running mate.”

    Um, no. The votes Brian refers to were a decade and more ago; lots of people’s attitudes about teh gays have improved since then. And we are going to keep demanding full equality until we get it; and we will have a helluva better chance with a Democrat prez and veep + a Dem. senate and house than we have ever had in the whole history of the country until now. There is no *practical* alternative in this country at this time to the Democrats; you want change, you better vote for Bar-Joe.

    But Biden is a long, long, looooong way from “most of the Republicans.” You want to see Biden’s record on all the issues, go check it out: http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm

  • CHURCHILL-Y

    Thanks for the reminder on Biden’s record Brian.

    “Surely gay people can do better — if we demand it.”

    The thing is those of prominence and ‘leadership’
    never do and this won’t be any excemption.
    They won’t us to bow down and submit our votes blindly to Obama even after all we now know about where he stands when it comes to us.

  • Marco Channing

    “On the two biggest federal votes on gay issues in history, Biden flunked both of them. He voted for DOMA and also voted for the anti-gay military policy.”

    Both, of which, we can thank Hilllary’s husband Bill Clinton for.

    Let’s face reality. It would be political suicide to fully embrace gays on the campaign trail. It sucks, but it’s true.

    However…

    Barack Obama is the first Presidental nominee I’ve ever heard mention Stonewall, let alone to put it in the context of an important civil rights moment, by comparing it to Selma.

    Call me crazy, but that is progress.

  • Bob

    I love how you people who are “shocked! shocked!” that some of us gays aren’t worshipping at the altar of Obama call us witches, accuse us of being Republican shills, or angry queens. Why is it so hard to believe that it is possible to be thoroughly disenchanted with a candidate who has turned out to be nothing more that a stereotypical politician? And to whoever is claiming these states just turned blue — PA, OH, MI, CO, VA, FL, MN, WI, MO — perhaps you should check the polls. OH, CO, VA, FL, and MO are all trending McCain, Michigan is tightening, and even New Hampshire is back to a statistical tie. (check http://www.electoral-vote.com) I don’t see how a consummate Washington insider is going to help in any of them …

  • Marco Channing

    Bob brings up a valid point. Gays do not have to be 100% in support of Obama. But, he’s much better than Kerry was, who I voted for (but, I would have probably voted for a potted plant over re-electing Bush).

    The fact remains that McCain will be horrible for this country. He is against gay adoption, is dragging out the Constitutional ban on gay marriage again, refers to Asians as g*oks, is talking about re-instating the draft to staff all of his wars, knows nothing about the economy, and his foreign policy stance is “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.”

    Even if you believe that Obama is lesser of two evils, isn’t it important, especially after seeing what happened in the Bush adminsitration, to keep as much evil out of the White House as possible?

    Isn’t it in your own personal best interest to ensure that the better candidate, no matter how imperfect you may think he may be, wins?

  • mark

    BOB,

    tell me about the electoral map NEXT Friday, and I’ll bet every State I listed is tracking for Obama/Biden
    PA, OH, MI, CO, VA, FL, MN, WI, MO

    c’ya FRIDAY

  • mark

    Biden choice FORCES McCain to pick the Mormon Ken doll he loathes,,,(after that racist 1913 Law he bashed every queer couple in America with…I agree.)
    Pawlenty would be chewed up and spit out by Biden, and McCain won’t dare divide the GOP base with a pro-Choice pick of Ridge or Lieberman.

    I’d start counting Mittler’s houses…just saying

  • Bob

    Mark, how about we check the polls after BOTH political conventions are over? It makes no sense to look at polls only with Obama’s post-convention bounce and not those that include McCain’s. I’ll bet that once the hoopla is over, McCain leads in VA, OH, CO, FL, and MO. And continues to break away in IN and NV. And if Mitt Romney is on the ticket, Michigan gets tighter. The only states Obama will maintain leads in — and where he’s led all along — are PA, MN, and WI. The real question is when will all of the Obamatons start blaming his tanking numbers on the Clintons? Because God knows it couldn’t be anything with the sainted Obama or his bland and politics-as-usual veep pick.

  • Bob

    And no, I’m not a Republican or a McCain supporter (see my comment no. 3 above), in case you’re wondering. I just find Obama a fatally flawed candidate. And I think he’s full of crap to boot. Yes, he’s better than McCain, but truly … what does that say about the man? Not damned much.

  • Brian Miller

    BO is running for the United States of America, not the Liberals of America, not the gays of America or the Blacks of America.

    Of course, the underlying “logic” of this statement is that liberals, gays and blacks aren’t really Americans.

  • Brian Miller

    The votes Brian refers to were a decade and more ago; lots of people’s attitudes about teh gays have improved since then.

    So? Biden’s votes are forever.

    Biden is a long, long, looooong way from “most of the Republicans.” You want to see Biden’s record on all the issues, go check it out

    I only care what Biden does when he votes, not what he “feels” about in issues.

    Biden voted for DOMA and has refused to support legislation to repeal it (despite being invited to introduce it).

    Biden voted for anti-gay bigotry in the military and has refused to support companion legislation to the MREA that would repeal it.

    What he says, and what others’ attitudes are, is irrelevant. Biden’s record on the big gay votes is identical to that of Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms and Rick Santorum.

    And it’s the votes, not the rhetoric, which counts.

  • Brian Miller

    Both, of which, we can thank Hilllary’s husband Bill Clinton for.

    Let’s face reality. It would be political suicide to fully embrace gays on the campaign trail. It sucks, but it’s true.

    Then don’t campaign on gay issues and tell gay people that we should vote for you, if you’re not willing to do the right thing.

    Politicians who bulls**t us with “we believe in your rights” but vote identically to their “anti-gay” rivals are worse than useless.

  • Hephaestion

    So where can I buy my t-shirt that says “When McCain left one of his 10 houses in a 9-car motorcade to get a capuccino at Starbucks yesterday, was he wearing his $520 shoes? And was his $273,000 a year butler with him?”

  • Charley

    We are not a popular group of people for a candidate to support due to living outside the majorities definition of family convention. No one is courting our vote. Obama does the best he can under the circumstances. He said he would repeal DOMA, but I am not sure he would have the power to do so even if he was elected.

  • Marco Channing

    I should have clarified that supporting gay marriage is political suicide. But, Obama supports the California ruling, and McCain does not. Obama has come out in support for gay issues as much as is possible at this point in time. Other than gay marriage he supports everything.

    Obama supports a gender-identy inclusive ENDA, he supports hate crimes legislation, he supports overturning DOMA and don’t ask, don’t tell, he supports gay adoption.

    Don’t forget that Hillary is against gay marriage as well.

    If you look at the gay issues, there is no difference between Obama and Hillary Clinton. Which is why I never understood the argument that Hillary was better for the gays. Obama has even spoke to the African-American community about some of the homophobia that he sees there and said that it needs to stop.

  • Charley

    We must continue to fight for our full constitutional rights.

  • Charley

    Electing a president that will appoint a supreme court to be in favor of equal justice for all under the constitiution is a start, and Obama is that man. But the fight is up to us not him.

  • Alexa

    Any gay person who doesn’t vote, or who votes for someone other than Obama in this election will deserve the erosion of our civil rights that will happen when McCain gets elected. It’s time to take your heads out of your asses and face up to reality.

  • mark

    Bob I’m fine with settling this matter in 2 weeks Friday
    ” I’ll bet that once the hoopla is over, McCain leads in VA, OH, CO, FL, and MO. And continues to break away in IN and NV. And if Mitt Romney is on the ticket, Michigan gets tighter.”

    and let the best queer win

    c’ya

  • Brian Miller

    We are not a popular group of people for a candidate to support due to living outside the majorities definition of family convention. No one is courting our vote. Obama does the best he can under the circumstances.

    These are very low standards more indicative of self-loathing than reality.

  • Brian Miller

    Any gay person who doesn’t vote, or who votes for someone other than Obama in this election will deserve the erosion of our civil rights

    How mature. “Anybody who doesn’t do what I want deserves a nasty end.”

    Rather than making threats and wishing ill, give us a candidate who isn’t a double-talking homophobic empty suit, OK?

  • Brian Miller

    Electing a president that will appoint a supreme court to be in favor of equal justice for all under the constitiution is a start, and Obama is that man.

    Is he?

    What if he appoints judges who share the opinions of Sam Nunn, Jerry Falwell, and other early supporters?

    I see no indication of a guarantee of success in the Supreme Court through Obama either. If success does come through the SCOTUS, it will be due to changing societal attitudes — not anything Obama or another Demopublican does.

  • Candy

    Brian –

    Thank you for you voice of reason – I for one did not partake of the Obama Kool-Aid marathon and have now concluded this purported
    “agent of change” is nothing more than words with no experience.

    Just once, I would like to see that teleprompter malfuntion and see what the empty headed empty suit would do??!! For me, my country is far more important than the Democratic Party.

    Thank you Barack for making my decision so very easy to pull that lever for John McCain in November – perhaps then you can think about your right-wing veer to the center after you won the primary – You are a disgrace!

  • Alexa

    Brian and Candy, I stand by what I said. If McCain wins – and he WILL if idiots like you have your way – our civil rights will be eroded like we have never seen before. That’s not me making a threat, that’s a FACT. He will appoint supreme court justices who are homophobic and who will be there for life, and nothing any future president can do will change that. He will push forward anti-gay legislation. It will be a nightmare.

    And for the record, Obama wasn’t my first choice candidate, he wasn’t even my second or third choice. And Biden was dead last. I didn’t vote for Obama in the primary. I’m just not stupid.

  • SuperCat

    I hope I am wrong but I expect very little pro-gay inclusive laws to be passed if Obama is elected. But he is definitely a better choice then McCain.

  • chadnnocal

    Let’s stop the crap….

    OB – Obama/Biden

    is NOT good for those of that do NOT have equal rights.

    Let’s take care of own. OUR taxes support of those Americans with Full rights.

  • marco channing

    In 2000, my father, a Democrat since 1945, decided to vote for Nader to send a message to the Democratic Party that he was dissatisfied with. I begged and pleaded with him not to, because the race was so close, all he was doing was to help Bush win.

    Eight years later: Who has truly been punished? The Democrats or the American people?

    He recently confessed to me that he made a mistake with his vote.

    My father is not crazy about Obama, but he said that he won’t make the same mistake again.

    Besides, Obama has not moved any closer to center than Bill Clinton ever did. And even so, the center is still far better than moving to the right, which is what John McCain is doing.

  • TJ

    I am a Democrat – I will now be voting for McCain or not voting at all. Obama is a fuck up already.

  • Lawrence

    Would anyone here vote for a white man who said that since he is Christian, he doesn’t believe that African Americans should have a marriage sanctified between them?

    That “God is in the mix” with regard to the question of interracial marriage, and that is how some people feel who are proposing a constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriage?

    If you would vote for such a man, then it makes sense that you go ahead and vote for Obama.

    Otherwise it just doesn’t make any sense to me.

    (Incidentally, by choosing Biden he just lost the election.)

  • polobear

    Biden rocks! and yes he has more complex answers than the run of the american likes to hear but they are complex problems!
    unfortunately people hear the “we will drill here and drill now”* sort of responses and go crazy. so we will see what happens
    Maybe it is time for the chinese or brazilians to take over the world stage

  • rick

    bitch, bitch, bitch.

    perfectly happy with an obama and biden ticket.

    i swear to god republican operatives are going to every single message board which has this story and claiming to be democrats that are going to vote for mccain. i say this because they are posting the same crap in variations all over the place. they listen to limbaugh a bit too much.

  • Brian Miller

    I stand by what I said. If McCain wins – and he WILL if idiots like you have your way – our civil rights will be eroded like we have never seen before.

    Yeah, I mean we could see an anti-gay ban in the military!

    Oops, that already happened. With a Democrat president and the full support of Joe Biden.

    We could also see an anti-gay marriage law designed to undermine our rights on a federal and state level!

    Oops, except that already happened. With a Democrat president and the full support of Joe Biden.

    We could even see ENDA transformed into a vehicle to demonize transgender people and have anti-gay marriage and health insurance rules inserted into it.

    Oops, except that’s already happened. With the full support of the Democrat caucus in the House and the full support of Joe Biden in the Senate.

    Albert Einstein once defined insanity as trying the same thing over and over and hoping for different results. By that measure, the stupid one in this discussion is you.

  • Brian Miller

    republican operatives are going to every single message board

    This is another indication of Obama’s supporters’ disconnection from reality. Not only are they completely willing to give the undeserving Democrats a pass on their craptastic record on gay rights, but they’re convinced that everyone who has the least bit of objectivity in the matter must be a paid operative of “the other guys.”

  • Alexa

    Brian, nobody said the Democrats are perfect. They are far from perfect. But any idiot can see they are much preferable, especially in today’s climate, to McCain. So bitch about them, try to change policy, go right ahead, we all do that. But sentence us all to four years of Bush lite? Complete lunacy.

  • james ii

    “Ralph Nader, Independant…”

    The Naderites are ridiculous enough, but they can’t even spell their guy’s affiliation, which is funny.

    I think this is now a brilliantly balanced ticket. Hillary-heads, please — get over it already.

  • M Shane

    Couldn’t carew less what Solomneses says about anything!
    A black man is not likely to be anti-choice.
    This solves several problems re; Foreign affairs and labor class.
    While I’m sort of sympathetic towardsthe people who want marriage, I really think that the sensability behind that (assimilation) is one of the most anti gay community ideas around.Sorry.

  • An Other Greek

    beisdes, marriage will NOT be decided on the Federal level, so why keep taking that divisive bate???

    Falling into that trap is old…

    And as far as the Democrats being responsible ofr a gay ban in the military: baby you spun yoself so much you dizzy!!!

    Stop the histrionics and the misinformation.

    Gays banned from the military did not come from Clinton, it has been policy since the American Revolution, so why are you lying?

    Stop it.

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  • hell's kitchen guy

    “Biden rocks!”

    Oh, come on. Biden may be or do many things. But “rocks”?!?!?

  • Brian Miller

    nobody said the Democrats are perfect. They are far from perfect.

    I’m not making the case that the Democrats “aren’t perfect.”

    I’m making the case that the Democrats aren’t acceptable.

    And so far, I haven’t seen a single factual rebuttal to disabuse a reasonable observer of that contention.

    as far as the Democrats being responsible ofr a gay ban in the military: baby you spun yoself so much you dizzy

    Ignoring your semiliteracy, I would point out that the anti-gay military ban was passed by a majority Democratic House and majority Democratic senate, with its two most prominent proponents being Democratic Senator Sam Nunn, and Democratic President Bill Clinton (who signed it into law).

    Gays banned from the military did not come from Clinton, it has been policy since the American Revolution

    That is incorrect. It was an executive order that Clinton claimed he would rescind, if elected president.

    Instead, the Democratic Congress and Senate and president all *strengthened* the ban into a statute.

    Without significant Democrat support and Bill Clinton’s signature, the law never would have passed.

    Biden may be or do many things. But “rocks”?!?!?

    Many of his supporters/sycophants have “rocks.” In their heads. ;)

  • mark

    ANY queer who might have been Republican leaning, or is an angry Hillary supporter…the minute Mittler is picked by McSame as VP…will come back to Obama/Biden.

    With Romney it isn’t a G*D DAMN abstraction that he hates queers, he LIED selling his campaign was gay-friendlier than Teddy Kennedy. He LIED saying he was Pro-Choice and would ALWAYS support Roe vs. Wade.
    Mittler single handedly delayed gay Equality with a f*ckin racist 1913 Law which was used to ban inter racial couples from marrying.
    Mittler will cost McSame EVERY LGBT vote, and EVERY pro-Choice vote.

  • mark

    McCain ad featuring Hillary

    In 2 seconds Hillary and Bill can counter this ad.
    Simply state Obama doesn’t speak for Hillary, and sure as hell McCain doesn’t speak for Hillary, Hillary speaks for Hillary.
    ONE campaign offered Senator Clinton a prime time platform to speak, would McCain like to offer her an EQUAL forum in his Convention?

  • Steve

    One has-been added to a never-done-anything wanna be. Yeah, winning ticket.

    Hopey / Dopey ’08

  • Geoffrey

    Hillary supporter here….but I will vote for Obama/Biden. I won’t like it, but I’ll vote because at least they will be ‘some’ measure better than another republican. I’ll take whatever ground we can gain and work for more along the way. Not that there is much choice…but oh well.

  • Hunter

    This was the last straw for me,not sure if I’ll be voting for McCain but I’m completely sure now I won’t be doing it for Obama. Not only is he a sham but his supporters are arrogantly fanatical about him.

  • mark

    Steve

    sweetie, if hopey/dopey or smug/plugs is the BEST you Repig hacks can spew….it’s SO embarrassing for you.
    I’m embarrassed FOR YOU.

  • rick

    “This is another indication of Obama’s supporters’ disconnection from reality”

    no, it is that i have been reading the same crap over and over ever since limbaugh started his pretend to be a democrat and voice outrage that it isn’t hillary routine.

    i read this crap in letters to the editor of newspapers, and read it in the comments posted on news articles. and there is always somebody that hangs around and knocks anyone who supports obama.

    this brian wilson person would be better served by going to fox news and praising father jonathan for his insights on why we should all be republicans. it is obvious from his writings that he is in fact a republican and believes whole heartedly in their message.

    anybody that would vote for mccain after he called his wife a fucking cunt in public and offered her up for a wet t-shirt contest and banana swallowing contest at a bikers rally is lacking in good judgement.

  • stevieb

    Not an impressive choice… Looks like another no-win-no-matter-who’s-the-victor election. I ask, how is it the solid waste always rises to the top of American politics? Why is is we never have two capable, qualified, ‘good’ candidates to select from? Why is it that most times we’re voting against rather than for someone? It wouldn’t have mattered to me who BO(and really, don’t those initials say it all…) selected. Politics of change my rear… he’s a politician of the old school just like all the others and I wouldn’t have voted for someone who was merely annointed by the media, but who has done nothing but run his mouth for the entire time he’s been in politics, anyway. Rudy and Hillary were the only solid candidates their parties had to put forth and both of them will settle to speak at their respective conventions, while two bone heads battle it out to see who the next ineffective leader will be…

  • stevieb

    Re. Comment 37… Those states may well be tracking BO/B next Friday. It’s reasonably well known that as the conventions get under way, projections change, first toward the candidate of the 1st convention, but then toward the candiate of the 2nd convention. It doesn’t really matter what the skew looks like next Friday… It matters more what the skew looks like once the Republicans have put forth a VP candidate and their convention is winding down. Biden may… help BO’s cause, but whoever McCain picks might well help his…

    One of the many reasons I won’t be voting for BO is the method he chose to announce his candidate… I’m no McCain fan, but he hit the nail on the head when he referred to BO as a movie star (I forget the exact verbiage). BO couldn’t just announce his choice to the nation, no, he had to let the hype build about his organization choosing to text-message it…Then he came up with this!? Again, a ‘media celebrity’ isn’t what’s needed in DC.

  • Bob

    It a sure sign the Obamatons are increasingly worried when they drag out their personal attacks of calling anyone who questions their sainted candidate as “idiots” “lunatics” and “stupid.” Yeah, that’s what we all are. It couldn’t be we see through Obama’s B.S., could it? I wonder how soon they start blaming the Clintons for Obama’s impending doom? That seems the next logical step after personal attacks on voters … How pathetic.

  • Mr C

    Well Hear Ye, Hear Ye,

    All this Obamaton, Obambi, nObama, etc.
    Check this shit out.
    If you don’t want to vote for Obama then simply DON’T. If it’s a protest vote for McCain because of Hillary then VOTE for him.

    Alot of the Anti-Obama supporters are not voting for him because of Hillary and also because of race….You may not want to admit. But we all know it’s there. And it’s all good.

    Please just vote for McCain after all you can say. He’s like me I guess meaning white and once his policies starts to form. Don’t get mad because. He’s going to say. They’re NOT like me. I’m straight and would like to keep things that way.

    And he will leave it to the states to mandate that! Then all you Obama hating fags won’t have any type of protection because NO STATES will add sexual orientation in their hate crimes bill.

    Then all HELL breaks loose for the gays.

    But hey if that be the case. I’d rather McCain win then some of you Obama hating folks can’t say DAMN see what that N_____R did to us.

    Because he wouldn’t.
    And if he loses Hillary can forget 2012.

    TRUST THAT!

  • rick

    this old man just read the new comments. at the age of 50 i for one know the disadvantages of a republican president. i remember NIXON, and ronnie and bush 1 and 2.

    none of them did a damn thing for this country except for eroding civil rights, killing american soldiers, and making the rich richer.

    one of the things i have noticed is that when bush 2 and company were obviously using hitlerian tactics and called on it the right was outraged. yet hitler is their favorite example for nailing a well spoken man who is charismatic named obama.

    i a sick and tired of the “he isn’t christian enough”, “he’s a secret muslim”, “he’s a socialist” and all the other crap from the right wing christian liars who have not found a commandment that wasn’t worth breaking for power and profit.

    why don’t you jerks come right out and say it, that you won’t vote for a nigger (yes i used the word!) and have done with it.

  • GoodBuddy

    There was an interesting radio show on NPR this week about the science of persuasion. The point kept being made that many people are persuaded by the feeling that everyone else is doing the same. I think it is this that got Obama the nomination. I think on college campuses being an Obama supporter was the big thing that everyone was doing, and this helped him turn out a large vote of young people and independents that gave him the nomination. No one wants to be the only one taking a position, but there is a lot of comfort in following the crowd.

    What this reminds me of is the early 70s when there was a big movement of born again Christians. I remember my neighbors talking about how they were going to prayer meetings and bible studies — mostly because it was the thing to do.

    There now also seems to be a crowd of people who are protesting the nomination and refusing to support the soon to be nominee. If you say you will not support Obama you certainly are not alone. Perhaps it is the thing to do among a certain segment of the population.

    Well, the campaign season is getting ready to start. Soon Obama will have been nominated. Two more months to go.

  • CHURCHILL-Y

    The Democratic National Convention or Revival?

    http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2008/08/the_democratic_and_republican.html

    http://www.demconvention.com/democratic-convention-to-highlight-diverse-community-of-faith-leaders-working-toward-common-good/

    Leah is so proud!:

    http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/leahdaughtry721

    Wake up Gay people! the handwritting is on the wall.

    And like No. 61 · Lawrence said, unless you’re willing to vote for someone and his cronies who would pose as a Democrat while opposing interracial marriage then why should you vote for the same for Gay people? Are we less than them?

  • rick

    you should talk you fucking cunt, is all anyone needs to know about mccain. he had no respect for his first wife and none for the whore he dumped her for. no wonder cindy is a pill popping bitch.

  • Philly Jim

    This may be coincidence but did anyone else notice their text message timed at 3am? I’m pretty sure it was more strategic to dump a story at 3am so the late Friday news couldn’t pick it up but it was early enough for all the morning news stations to get it.

    I just thought it was funny to be at 3am – the same time HRC used in her “who do you trust” commercials.

    Just saying.

  • rick

    i am “just saying” that the republican hacks are sppouting their shit and lies again.

  • Brian Miller

    Alot of the Anti-Obama supporters are not voting for him because of Hillary and also because of race

    Speaking for myself, I am not voting for him because he supports homophobia. He does not believe in equal marriage, and I won’t support bigot politicians, period.

    There now also seems to be a crowd of people who are protesting the nomination and refusing to support the soon to be nominee.

    More arrogance from the Obama camp.

    If anything, their insistence to slavish, unquestioning devotion to their candidate is more of a “everyone’s doing it so it’s cool” movement than those who refuse to support yet another empty suit.

    After almost 8 years of a substance-free platitude-speaking anti-gay idiot in the White House, I’m not interested in another substance-free platitude-speaking anti-gay idiot in the White House who happens to be a Democrat instead of a Republican.

  • Charley

    Churchill-Y
    It’s been building for awhile now with the appointment of DNC Chairman Leah Daughtrey, evangelical pastor. The age of reason has been replaced in favor of superstition and opportunistic religious leaders. Not the Democratic Party I remember.

  • rick

    i have a red hot poker to shove up the asses of the idiot moron republican posters that have invaded this site.

    i would mention edward 2 but that would be lost on the republican morons who abhor the intellectual elite ie: people that actually read a book and understood it.

    love the fucking shit posted here that make believe that the democratic party has been invaded by the christian right and their supernatural belief system.

    YOU GOD DAMN CHRISTIAN RIGHT MORONS, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE RULED BY YOUR SUPERSTITION ANDS EVANGELICAL POWERS.

    GEORGE GOD DAMN BUSH SAID GOD TOLD HIM TO INVADE IRAQ.

    SHOVE IT UP YOUR RELIGIOUS RIGHT ASS HOLES AND STOP CLAIMING TO BE WHO YOU ARE NOT!

    GO SUCK KARL ROVES COCK! WHO BTW CAME UP WITH THE PLAN TO SINK MCCAIN THE FIRST TIME AROUND.

  • rick

    have you noticed that the anti obama people have been by and large male?

    it is just like all the letters to the editor that are by men saying women have no rights to their bodies and if they are raped have to deal with it as god’s will if they get pregnant.

    amazing how mccain was deep sixed because of karl roves antics and the rumors about his black baby but his ambition to be president has caused him to suck up to the great big fucking closet case whose only desire is to suck george bushes cock.

    SOME OF US ARE ON TO YOU FUCK HEADS AND WE KNOW OUR HISTORY.

    loved the post about obmama being bad for women, IT IS MCCAIN THAT IS PRO VIAGRA FOR EVERY MAN AND NO BIRTH CONTROL FOR WOMEN.

    we need a national kick the republican male in the nuts day.

  • GoodGirl

    If I hear one more gay say that dems are good and republicans are bad I will lose it. Bush certainly talked the talk against our community, but more movement for gay rights happened in the past 8 years with marriage visibility than it did under the Clinton administration. Bill signed DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Please tell me what piece of legislation that Bush signed against us during his presidency.

    I am an independent and have vote dem more often than republican, but this time i’m really torn. i was a huge Obama supporter as he spoke about change and not relying on old politics. Well, it seems now that he go the nom Obama has become like every politician….he is playing the game. At least with McCain we know what we are getting and I prefer someone who presents who they truly are. McCain’s choice will definitely play a part in who my vote goes to.

  • Jake

    I have already had 8 years of an unqualified President being lead by a more experienced VP and I’m not happy with the results. I won’t be voting for that configuration again. No matter what anyone says about McCain he certainly has the experience. And for everyone comparing McCain to Bush remember that the two of them have never truly seen eye to eye. McCain is not a Bush like Republican. That is why the Republican party has never really “got” McCain.

  • Mr C

    What FUCKING experience are you looking for from McCain?????????

    He’s NUMB AND DUMB on the economy he even admits it.
    He voted for LAWS that would HURT GAYS……
    And he willRAISE YOUR TAXES
    as he said on This week on ABC He said

    Everything is on the table

    that includes your taxes.
    All this man wants to do is go to WAR,WAR,WAR

    Just like No 87 @Rick said

    why don’t you jerks come right out and say it, that you won’t vote for a nigger (yes i used the word!) and have done with it.

    You queens don’t know what the fuck you’re looking for.
    Well Jake please tell me about McCain’s stance on GAY ANYTHING? he may not see eye to eye with Bush. But certainly voted for his FAILED ASS POLICIES

    And once again okay Churchill-Y is only making an issue about Leah Daughtery not because she’s a minister. But she’s a BLACK minister.We all know her stance on race issues.

    So once again folks VOTE McCain and we will be in Iraq more than 4 more years and the economy will TANK and foreclosures will continue to RISE as he gets more homes and don’t know how many he will have then either.

    And gay rights will be….Oh wait a minute.
    There will be no GAY Rights anything once those (Scalia-esque)judges are picked.

    So You’re killing yourself. And this is one time even me as a gay male if he wins and the HORROR and EVIL THINGS that will be cast on the gay community I will not feel a bit of sympathy.
    after all You ask for it.

    Maybe it will take this for folks to realize HYPOCRISY

    Just remember he’s not like you.
    And there will be NO HILLARY IN 2012

    BELIEVE THAT!

  • polobear

    Yes he rocks sorry for the slang but go ahead and be petty (it is better than air)
    i usually like his answers and is a strong card in Obama’s hand Can’t really play the foreign relations card now (plus it didn’t seem to matter when georgie boy didn’t know who the President of Pakistan was before the election of 2000)
    Afterall we elect a president for whom he will surround himself Wasn’t that the logic behind the big celebrity/president Reagan He is not the brightest and teetering on senility but he is a good public speaker

  • Brian Miller

    The cycle of Obama supporters seems to be something like this:

    Obama supporter: Obama and Biden are the greatest for gay people!

    Neutral observer: No, they suck. Especially pro-DOMA, pro-military-anti-gay Biden.

    Obama supporter: You’re a male! You have no right to an opinion! Everyone knows you’re a Republican! You are racist! You hate people from the midwest! You are opposed to abortion!

    Neutral observer: Whoa there, calm down. I just refuse to support a candidate who is anti-gay.

    Obama supporter: *enters full screaming meltdown mode* FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCKER! HE’S THE BEST CANDIDATE!!!! YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND REALITY!!!!! GO TO HELL!!!! ARGHHHHHH! YEARGGHHHH! *Howard Dean scream*

    Neutral observer: Oh my.

  • Mr C

    Brian,
    You said:

    Speaking for myself, I am not voting for him because he supports homophobia. He does not believe in equal marriage, and I won’t support bigot politicians, period.

    And you supported Hillary Clinton????

    Hypocrite? Aren’t we. She doesn’t support Gay Marriage neither so is the WHITE woman a BIGOT also?

  • Alexa

    Get over yourself, Brian. Stop trying to paint everyone who is not racist and self-loathing (which you would need to be to even consider voting for McCain right now) as a mindless Obamatron. I already stated Obama wasn’t even in my top three choices for the Democratic candidate, and I actually voted for Hillary in the primary. But I’m not crying because my fourth choice won (any of the Democratic candidates would be far better than McCain), and I fully support him in his bid to be president.

    And rather than screaming about how bad Obama will be, why not actually show us how McCain would be better than him for gay people and state some of his pro-gay policies? Oh that’s right, you can’t. And speaking as a woman, I’ll take a candidate with a VP who authored a bill protecting women over one who publicly calls his wife a cunt and offers her up at a biker rally any day – and I know Hillary would, too.

  • Joeb1212

    Brian –

    It’s nice to actually read posts here that make sense as opposed to the bullshit put forth by posters like “Mark” and “An Other Greek”. They are woefully uninformed and it wouldn’t matter WHO was running for President – they will always vote for the Democrate regardless of how inexperienced and pathetic they are.

    I’m so sick and tired of you fucking queens assuming that everybody that is gay must vote for a Democrat or that are considered Republican/Gay hating/anti-American cads. FUCK YOU – I’ll vote for who is going to be the best for this country and the laughable ticket of Obama/Biden is a travesty for any American – gay or straight!

    GO JOHN McCAIN

  • Allison

    Get over yourself Alexa and stop trying to paint everyone who’s not willing to accept the double talk and lies directed at them by Barack as being racist and republican hacks, its getting old.

  • AJ

    Why would Senator Obama make such a huge mistake?

    He has been quoted saying the next president needs to have “good judgement” over experience, and his selection for VP was anything but good judgement. Senator Biden is well-respected politician, but that’s not going to win him votes. In order for him to bring about the change the country needs, he needs to be elected first. This election cycle has been mostly Identity politics rather than Policy politics and he has really upset a large portion of the Democrat party by not even considering Senator Clinton.

    Not a very wise choice in a race that is surprisingly tight.

  • mark

    GoodGirl

    Vote and support whoever you choose. I’m delighted you appreciate McCains honesty.

    He was sooooo honest with the wife who worked 5 years for his release as a POW, and DUMPED her after she was disabled in a near fatal car crash.

    He was soooo honest when he got his 2nd marriage license to Cindy McBigBucks a MONTH before his divorce was finalised.

    He was sooo honest when asked how he would beat that B*TCH (Hillary) at a Townhall meeting…and he chuckles

    He was sooo honest when in a temper fit he called Cindy “C*NT” in public.

    He was sooo honest at the Keating Five hearings.

  • mark

    Brian Miller

    If you like the closet cases like Mehlman and Rove putting anti-gay amendments in 13 battle Ground States in 2004…you are going to LOVE the SAME motherf*ckin traitor queers selling McCain.
    The 2004 the amping up of gay hatred by the GOP caused me to arm myself, and caused you to get a stiffy.

    different strokes ….

  • mark

    to some of the cry baby LGBTs who sob the Democrats aren’t selling 100% of the LGBT equality message you want, hold your breath until a viable candidate does that…do that honey.

  • mark

    Allow McCain to jump in with both feet on the Hillary ads, through the whole DNC Convention.
    Then make one Obama ad, which features a Townhall meeting where McCain gets the question, “how are you going to beat the B*TCH?”(Senator Clinton)…and he chuckles

    CHECK MATE

  • Bill Perdue

    Yawn.

  • mark

    Joeb1212

    spoken like chin-challenged Ed Gillespie
    with guckert poundin his saggy a$$

  • Good Girl

    No 108 Mark ” “[email protected]” and “Bitch”? I have been called worse at dyke bars. Did you ever think that there are women who deserve to be called names? Just like there are men who deserve to be called a few choice names. Words are words and that is my problem with the Dems. They talk, but don’t walk. McCain walked the walk and has the experience to prove it.

  • Mr C

    Yes he does Good Girl,

    He left a disfigured wife for a Barbie Doll as that same woman fought to get him release from Nam, He called the current wife and CUNT and offered her up to be a Ms Buffalo Chip contest amongst a bunch drug addict bikers.

    And he will prove it. Once his conservative judges are there don’t worry he would defintitely have walked the walk.

    Less womesn rights. And you’ll be kissing and furburguring IN PRIVATE and will have to settle for I LOVE YOU.
    For there will be NOTHING he will support for Gay and Lesbians.

    So support the man who will sew your p___y up!

    And no Hillary in 2012!

  • mark

    GoodGirl
    “I have been called worse at dyke bars.”

    haven’t we all

    You seem to dimwitted to acknowledge your candidate denegrates women

  • mark

    to = too

  • Good Girl

    It’s interesting how some of us value our privacy, but when it is convenient to bring up a politician’s PERSONAL life to suit our agenda we do. Why is it that so many of our community worship the Clintons when Bill has cheated numerous times and probably continues to do so. His treatment of Hillary and her staying with him isn’t denegrating to women? If I blocked out all the bone heads to denegrate women I wouldn’t be living life….no Lance Armstrong, no A Rod, no Eliot Spitzer, etc..

  • Brian Miller

    Get over yourself, Brian.

    Get over YOURself.

    I refuse to sell out my constitutional rights as a gay man so that your empty-suited homophobe-who-is-slightly-less-bigoted-than-the-Republican gets in office.

    If you want my vote, stop making excuses for homophobia (and heaping abuse on voters), and start working to make your party a supporter of real equality under the law rather than a bastion of bigots and babies.

  • Brian Miller

    rather than screaming about how bad Obama will be, why not actually show us how McCain would be better

    Because it’s not my job to justify one candidate over the other.

    I give both of them an F, and note that it doesn’t matter, from an LGBT perspective, which wins.

    Neither will take steps to make equal treatment in marriage, adoption, and military service a privilege.

    You can attempt to impose your false dichotomy on voters all you want — it doesn’t obscure the fact that at the end of the day, both candidates are homophobes, and you’re making excuses for YOUR homophobe.

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