Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle is already on the defensive about Tuesday’s veto of the state’s civil unions bill. She’s dropped all the way down to using the incest analogy. Too bad it backfired. Badly.
“For those people who want to makes this into a civil rights issue, and of course those in favor of the bill, they see it as a civil rights issue,” Lingle told radio listeners today. “And I understand them drawing that conclusion. But people on the other side would point out, well, we don’t allow other people to marry even — it’s not a civil right for them. First cousins couldn’t marry, or a brother and a sister and that sort of thing. So there are restrictions, not to put it in the exact same category. But the bottom line is, it really can’t be a civil right if we are restricting it in other cases, and it’s been found to be legal in those other cases, that the restrictions.”
Wait. What’s this? First cousins actually are not barred from marrying each other in the state of Hawaii?
A caller told Lingle, “And the second point is, Gov. Lingle, you talked about restrictions on marriage. I have a first cousin named Kate, and I’m looking on the Department of Health website for Hawaii, and I could marry my cousin Kate in Hawaii, but I cannot marry the love of my life in Hawaii, so — or in terms of a civil union with him. So, I hope you will take that into consideration.” (Lingle responded: “Whether or not a first cousin can marry in Hawaii, I’ll have to go back and check. I don’t know that that’s untrue, but let me go back and check on that.”)
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So not only does Lingle believe incestuous relationships as unworthy of legal recognition of gay ones, she doesn’t even know if her state has banned the true “gross one.” Go ahead, start a comment thread full of “FAIL.”
Michael
Isn’t this woman a lesbian?
Fitz
@Michael: A kike dike.
Mark
Another Republican idiot?
Mike
@Mark: Aren’t those two the same?
Desdemona
How can this bitch even be taken seriously.
More importantly, how can she be allowed to govern peoples lives when she doesn’t even fully understand the issue. People are BORN gay. People who want to fuck their siblings are mentally ill. I’m so beyond sick of this thought that gays are equal to mentally ill perverts. It’s so insulting when the vast majority of the gay community are upstanding citizens and able to be just as, if not more committed than most straight people.
Once this woman, and her fellow generation of self-hating closet cases die out, the world will be a better place.
Tom in Lazybrook
And Lingle’s been divorced. TWICE
Mike
All that time she supposedly spent inviting groups of people to her office to ask them about the issue and that’s the best she could come up with?? You would think she would at least know the marriage laws of her own state..sheesh.
Phil
@Desdemona: What the hell. How is incest a mental disease? How does it make them a pervert? A knee-jerk reaction like that is is why people hate US. If you think about it reasons about why homosexual relationships should be recognized and accepted, they also apply to incestuous relationships.
Love happens. Don’t be so close minded.
M a r c
@Mark:
I call REDUNDANCY…
Vman455
There are biological reasons behind the prohibition of first cousins and siblings marrying. Since homosexual relationships, by definition, produce no offspring and do not carry any of the genetic risks of incestuous heterosexual marriages, it is not accurate or fair to compare the two. If Lingle doesn’t realize this, she’s even dumber than I thought–and I didn’t exactly think she was Einstein before.
Lookyloo
I dunno. I’ve always thought that blood relatives should be allowed to marry. If they’re old enough to sign and understand a contract, then who am I to say their love is illegal. No one chooses to be born a cousin.
Lamar
There is a reason that incestuous marriages are banned – because they often facilitate the production of severely deformed kids but the real reason why gay marriage/civil union are banned is because of simple BIGOTRY .. and the ick factor which are not good reasons.
keith douglas warren
Is education a requirement for being Governor in Hawaii? or, as in so many other places, does it simply require ‘feelings?’
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
A twice divorced miserable vile pandering lowlife disturbing looking reprehensive hate spewing cunt who is simply trolling for teabagger votes……………..
tjr101
This woman is a classic idiot!
Paschal
@Tom in Lazybrook: She must be stoned as commanded by the Old Testamnet. Technically, by divorcing and re-marrying, she has commited adultery. Go ask a priest if you don’t believe me. She must be an ”à la carte” Christian, i.e., a hypocrite.
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
@Paschal: Excellent term “ala carte Christian” Pretty much describe every single rightwing lunatic vile spewing Gay hater.
Just like those who memorize Levitius from the book of fairy tales, the bible yet fail to heed to some other fun thingies in the bible like if your son talks back to your, you need to kill him, or if your wife is not a virgin on her wedding night you need to stab her………..
Paschal
@PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS: …or that slavery is okay but a woman teaching men (I wonder how the teacher unions feel about this one), wearing clothes of two different cloths, cutting the hair at the corners of one’s head, a woman now covering herself from her wrists to her ankles (all the Qu’ran says is that women should dress modestly)…
I can’t take credit for the term ””à la carte” Christian”. The term ””à la carte” Catholic” is very common in Ireland.
Timothy
Paschal,
She’s not an “a la carte Christian”.
Linda Lingle is Jewish.
Paschal
@Timothy: Pardon my ignorance. An ”à la carte” Jew then. Thankfully she does not represent the many Jews who fight for gay rights, etc.
Dan
She’s Jewish, and according to Jewish-Christian-and-Islamic mythology, all the children of Adam and Eve married each other, so these 3 religions are based on incestuous marriages. It is really gross as the basis for a religion. Then the God that created them curses Adam and Eve and eventually wipes out all but 8 of their descendents. Talk about a ridiculous basis for any religion. Adam and Eve were evil according to the bible, they were cursed and damned by their creator, yet rightwingers hold them up as examples of virtue – it is preposterous.
edgyguy1426
Lookyloo: I agree. How can we be discriminated against and then turn around and do the same thing to others?
gilber
it seems that god has no problem with incest when he provoked it two times,first the sons and daughter of adam and eve and second the sons and daughters of noa and his wife, plus the poor animals as wells having to commit not only incest but also bestiality and pseudohomosexuality.
Talkpit
Well since homosexuality is a CHOICE and its Fact you can’t escape (otherwise explain all the people on say Myspace who list sexual orientation as “Not Sure” or “Undecided” and former homosexuals who Changed their minds and went straight again I know you’ll claim bi-sexual but thats cop out excuse), then she did the right thing, unless you want to try and claim “born that way” then explain how come your “born that way” is different from a pedofile who uses the exact same arguement as being “born that way” or a brother and sster who want to marry each other being “born that way” what makes yours different? Next thing you know someone’s going to say Harvey Milk was a role model even though he had a 14 yr old lover when he was 30 (yep meets defination of a pedofile) only difference between Roman Polanski and Harvey Milk was the sex of the Child they has sex with..
Yaaa Governor of Hawaii for saying No to Homosexual Choice and its wanting of Special Privledges
Paschal
@Talkpit: Using Myspace as ”evidence” in any argument is pathetic. Many peopel aren’t sure of their sexual orientation. It takes time to know exactly who and what you are. Explain to me why people would choose to be discriinated against. Would you decide to fall in love with someone just so you wouldn’t be allowed to marry him/her? Would you decide to be the victim of a hate crime? Would you decide …, etc.?
People shouldn’t suffer if their immutable characteristic and behaviour does no harm. Paedophiles, and people who aren’t paedophiles yet still abuse children, who act on their paedophilia cause devastating and disgusting harm to children. The effects of child sexual abuse include depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, propensity to further victimization in adulthood, and physical injury to the child, among other problems. Gay people, on the other hand, just have sex with someone of the same sex. The harm occurs when other people act in a prejudiced way towards gay people.
Maria
Don’t blame republicans for this, that woman is just a bigoted idiot.