The motive for last week’s murder of nine African-Americans attending a Bible study in their church was racism. (This is inarguable, unless you’re a Republican running for the presidential nomination.)
The alleged shooter, Dylann Roof, left one survivor unharmed so that she could tell the world that Roof said “you’ve raped our women, and you are taking over the country … I have to do what I have to do” before executing his victims.
Roof even left a manifesto, citing his conversion to the cause of white supremacy, thanks to the ravings of a group called the Council of Conservative Citizens.
If you think that the world of white supremacy is confined to racism, you are wrong. It traffics deeply in virulent homophobia as well.
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The Council of Conservative Citizens’ statement of principles proclaims the traditional family “the basic unit of human society” and condemns “homosexuality and other perversions.” Such luminaries as Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council have happily appeared before the CCC to give speeches. Mike Huckabee taped a video message for the group in 1993, which was “extremely well received.”
CCC and like-minded groups have been among the loudest opponents of marriage equality in the South. At a protest outside the headquarters of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which has labeled CCC a hate group, CCC members proclaimed that the Founding Fathers would never have accepted same-sex marriage.
Brad Griffin, a CCC board member, told the Montgomery (AL) Advertiser, that marriage equality was a “novelty. The idea that it is against their constitutional rights, I just don’t think it is true. I don’t think it holds water,” Griffin said.
In fact, a lot of the opposition to marriage equality relies upon many of the same arguments that Confederate leaders used leading up to secession. Chief among these is nullification, in which states can choose not to follow federal laws. That’s the argument being used by religious right leaders who seek to disobey a favorable Supreme Court ruling on marriage equality.
At the same time, the right invariably casts itself as Dred Scott, the slave whose quest for freedom the U.S. Supreme Court denied in 1857, and equates marriage equality to slavery. Not surprisingly, the preponderance of folks happy to toss around this claim so lightly are white. Chief among them is Mike Huckabee–the same Mike Huckabee of the well-received speech to the CCC.
The link between racism and homophobia can’t really comes as a surprise to anyone. But in the wake of the Charleston tragedy, it’s worth remembering that what affects one group affects all of us.
Hatred believes in equal opportunity.
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SeeingAll
The New Black Panthers are total homophobes too. Maybe anybody fixated on race is ? I’m not familiar enough with the other supremacist groups.
Dev.C
These are people who don’t understand the deference between Facts and their opinion. They are going to hold on to their opinion no matter how illogical and baseless it maybe because they know nothing but their own privilege.
Yahoo just put out this great 30 minute Doc. about the government targeting and hunting homosexual men in the 1950’s insisting they were communist spies and ruining their working and social lives, by painting them as pariahs and traitors.
The government also deemed homosexuals as mentally ill and sexual deviants who should be watched and kept separate and apart from the rest of society.
After watching this documentary I started thinking about the fact that stonewall happened next and we brought in the age of gay revolution right along with the aftermath of civil rights. Not long after that the AIDS epidemic strikes and government with conjunction of the media paint gays as soul carriers of the deadly disease and once again are social pariahs.
Now that people seem to be wiser, conservatives are the only ones waving their battle flag against minorities like blacks and gays, insisting that blacks are race baiting and that gays are destroying marriage and together we want the destruction of the country(white America).
In this modern era Conservative have slowly become the pariahs of society and they aren’t handling the tables being turned well, at all. My concern is wether they will join the new world peacefully or follow this little white terrorist lead and fight political fire with their firearms!
Kangol
Very good to see that Queerty is finally making this link. Another interlinked system of oppression is patriarchy-and-misogyny.
Hatred of women, LGBTIQs (including internalized homophobia), and racism and white supremacy often go hand in hand.
SeeingAll
@Kangol: True. The attacker in NYC DID call them “white faggots” when he swung the chair. And it’s not the first time that’s happened in NYC. And some African-American ministers have even claimed gays are a white man’s plot to destroy the black family. So…yup…often haters are multiple-haters.
Kieran
Sadly, we must point out the virulent link between black churches and homophobia as well. Perhaps it isn’t part of Political Correctness Group Think, but to do otherwise is hypocritical.
Captain Obvious
@SeeingAll: For the 9000th time, the man wasn’t black, he was gay himself(with photos of his boyfriend online), and clearly something was said probably r@cist to set him off. It was not a homophobic attack hence no hate crime charges.
@Kieran: What a silly comment. The link is between church and homophobia. Stop trying to make it a black thing. Many churches still preach homosexuality as a sin, not just black churches.
And black people are not leaving their black neighborhoods to invade gay white areas and preach hatred. That’s white people from white churches going to gay areas both white and black and mixed to preach hatred. So stop with the bashing of black people and scapegoating of black people at every opportunity.
Considering I grew up in a black church that didn’t preach anti-gay anything and never said a bad word against gay people, has many openly gay members, and gay church board members YOU need to stop being r@cist talking about something you know nothing about.
Black women and gay men have been thick as thieves forever. It was everyone else slow to the party. Stop making it seem like white people are oh so open to gay people and everyone else, especially black people, hate gay people.
Many white women try to treat gay men like pets or minions. Black women treat gay men like equals.
Keep preaching your untrue hatred of black people about how everyone is so homophobic when they’re not. Are there black homophobes? YES! Just like every other ethnicity has plenty of homophobes.
It’s not a black thing, it’s a human thing. Handle it correctly or sit down and shut up. You’re not helping. Every time someone like you starts this r@cist ranting about “black homophobia” you lose support, you lose ears, and you segregate supporters. Shut up.
AtticusBennett
the link between right-leaning self-hating gay men and racism, too.
Kieran
@Captain Obvious: We cannot afford to be blind to black homophobia. It has to be addressed. It has to be discussed. It has to be condemned. There is a big difference being openly gay at your average white Episcopalian church and being openly gay at your average black Baptist church that see gay people as unrepetant sinners.
SeeingAll
@Captain Obvious: I don’t think discussing black homophobia (and don’t pretend it’s not a huge problem, from the holy ones to gangsta rap) can be equated to preaching hate against black people. That’s really a stretch. We all know there are some gay-supportive black individuals and groups. We’re just talking percentages, and the way some gays try to hide from it because of political correctness.
Bob LaBlah
Folks, the way these groups look at it is simply: gays can not reproduce. They see themselves as outnumbered, culture (whatever the hell that is suppose to mean here in America) under attack and now, with the entry of another man of color for the presidency, Bobby “the knucklehead” Jindal, a sure sign that they are being ruled by “them”. They see gays as an embarrassment because they do not follow “traditional” values by getting married and starting a family by the time they are twenty-five, gender be damned. Gender as in m/f, not us gays.
To make a long story short, it is going to get only worse because it is obvious these people can not look at reason in regards to their symbol, that damn Confederate flag, being a banner showing their ignorance than their “heritage”. The Confederate generals of the south went to the same military academy, West Point, as their northern counterparts. The first thing you learn is always know the strength and ability to SUSTAIN war of your enemy. Had that rule been followed, the south would have never went to war because it was obvious they had already lost it before it began.
They knew they were going to war with an enemy that could sustain loss of men, equipment and territory but still be able to regroup/replace and come back. The south could not (and did not) afford such a luxury. But on Bubbah marched with his master. Yes, his master because the only thing those soldiers amounted to was the same thing they wanted to keep enslaved. Only they too were blinded by the “light”.
Here is the most ironic thing about that damn war: the man who would have succeeded President Jefferson Davis was a jew named Judah P. Benjamin. Yes folks, talk about irony but the vice-president of the Confederate States of America was a jew, one of the very things they, the supremacist, claim to despise. What does that tell you about Bubbah and his flag/heritage bull shit?
billeetee
But the Homopobes will stress to you that it is their right and goal to ‘stigmatize the LGBT People’ because God Tells Them To. It’s WHAT HE wants! Don’t believe me? Ask Them. They’ll Tell You!
And besides, all those White Supremists enjoy so much gathering in the woods for ‘bonding and fellowship’. And of course there’s nothing gay about that. Besides, look at them? Can you imagine any gay foolish enough to ‘want one of them’? They’re REAL MEN…RED BLOODED AND FULL OF…uh…uh…Oh Yeah..MANHOOD!
Saint Law
@SeeingAll: Why don’t you shut up? You’ve nothing new to say and you use the most turgid prose in which to say it.
Saint Law
Black people can be homophobic 2!!! Who’d have thunk it!!!
Avery Alvarez
Challenge the unearned, undeserved privilege of straight, white, heterosexual christian men, and of course they react the “moral” way – they threaten violence and murder.
It truly is degrading for them to simply have to treat women and minorities as equals, because the consider themselves America’s Übermenschen (or True American Patriots, as they brand themselves), the top of the social food chain, the unquestionable leaders. Once again, I want to remind you, they DID NOT do anything to deserve this, or earn it. They believe it’s their birthright as white, male, heterosexual “god-fearing” Americans.
It’s the same with the Russian neonazis, claiming to be fighting for morals and values, and the future of Russia, when they’re really just fighting to secure their privilege and entitlement.
IB4 someone says that derails the convo again and starts talking about black people, yes any skin tone/sex/orientation/religion can be homophobic. Everyone knows it. But this article is about white supremacy and homophobia.
hamoboy
I wish queerty would talk about the virulent link between the white gay media and white supremacy. And I like how so many commenters here zoomed in on black people’s homophobia, completely giving white homophobes a pass. I guess it’s not so bad when it comes from a white person, because reasons.
Captain Obvious
@Kieran: @SeeingAll: You both should consider joining the kkk you’ll fit right in…. Aside from being fags. Have fun whining and crying about black people you’ve never met and are never around.
connorlarkin19
@Captain Obvious: Cursory list of black homophobe preachers & friends: Sen Rev Reuben Diaz, Bishops Eddie Long and Jackson, Jakes(son busted in Kiest Park by cop saying he wasn’t a ‘fag’), Rev Bernice King, Creflo Dollar, Louis Farrakah et al.
According to black Columnist Bill Maxwell2011.. Several studies and polls show that homophobia is a major part of African-American culture, enabled by religious and political nonsense and emotional and intellectual immaturity. Based on everything I have read, we are, in fact, the nation’s most homophobic population. One striking example of our contempt for gay people came in 2008, when California passed Proposition 8, which constitutionally outlawed same-sex marriage in that state. A whopping 70 percent of blacks voted for the measure, compared to 53 percent of Hispanic voters, 49 percent of white voters and 49 percent of Asian voters. In other states where gay rights issues are put to the vote, a majority of blacks con
SportGuy
@hamoboy: Yes there seems to be a lot of over lap with white supremacist and white gays that people like to try and ignore.
SeeingAll
@Captain Obvious: Isn’t that the Saved By the Bell kid ?
Captain Obvious
@connorlarkin19: That’s cute, you think you can sum up all black people with “facts” as if you’re at a zoo exhibit. Not r@cist at all.
Blacks are your enemy. Your tears are delicious.
darian
@connorlarkin19: For everyone of those black homophobes you just listed I could list at least 3 white ones who’ve done/said worse, and I wouldn’t have to go further than queerty to do it. Are there black homophobes…. Of coarse. As it stands this country doesn’t hold them anywhere near the standard of their white counter parts…..of coarse not.
That is where alot of the problems in this country come from. Whenever we bring up bad people then everyone’s equal but when we talk about good people that seems to be squarely reserved for white males. The subliminal white supremacy of the nation is stunning.
SeeingAll
@darian: What are you talking about ? Gays are so politically-correct that half the attacks in NYC on gays by people of color won’t even get MENTIONED on gay blogs. Look at the New Black Panthers, who want Muslim Sharia Law against gays. They actually went to N.C. to threaten the lives of the falsely-accused white students (during the Duke lacrosse case), especially against the half-Jewish defendent, and white gays joined in !! Because there were rumors one of the falsely-accused had called a guy “gay” in D.C. during a fight. Again, these were white gays, from N.C. and some from NYC, joining a black extremist group who want gays killed, against other whites. That’s how politically-correct, to a psychotic extent, the average white gay is. Yet you complain gays are into white supremacy ?? All white gays talk about is that hip term “white privilege.” (And I’ll provide links to all that if you want).
Captain Obvious
@darian: Sad part is the larger gay population seems more blatantly r@cist at times than the larger American population so there’s a lot of anti-black rhetoric flying around while crying about the homophobia funded by rich white men who own mega churches and big businesses. makes no logical sense until you realize that there real complaint is that they feel as if they’re being put on the same level as blacks when they want to feel better than everyone else too like their straight counterparts.
It’s sick and sad. Especially when you listen to how proud they supposedly are of being gay yet still carry a supremacist attitude instead of trying to embrace and join in with other minority groups. Just look at the fact that there are separate gay prides based on skin color and ethnicity when there should only be one for all.
And of course it’s all the fault of blacks because reasons.
SeeingAll
@Captain Obvious: Ho hum. That’s just because gays restore houses and neighborhoods and feel like blacks turn everthing into…..Detroit, I guess.
Captain Obvious
@SeeingAll: Spoken like a true kkk member.
SeeingAll
@Captain Obvious: You should change that pic to Screech.
connorlarkin19
@darian: You have my sympathy. Countervailing is REJECTED in logic and argumentation as denial, lack of rigorous reasoning and bias confirmation. Are you smarter than a 5th Grade debater?
darian
@SeeingAll: Your comment seems to imply that all gays in gay bashings are white. The subliminal white supremacy I was talking about. As I stated earlier we can play the numbers game if you want to, but keep in mind whites are the majority. The fact that you put quotation marks around white privilege shows your ignorance on race in general.
darian
@connorlarkin19: Oh well look who dusted off their thesaurus. I don’t need your sympathy I’m good over here. And encase you missed it at what point did I countervail anything? In fact I rejected countervailing by not taking the time to make that list though, though you clearly did.
Arcamenel
White supremacy hurts gay people but the more that it’s becoming accepted the more white supremacy ends up being beneficial to white gays.
Kieran
Pretty damn pathetic that we’ve got black faggots in here defending the homophobia of black churches. You black “sissies” bear the brunt of the hatred and disgust that is generated by these religious homophobes in black communities. Why on earth would you be looking to make excuses for this problem? We all know it exists. And all this obfuscation and babble about “white privilege” isn’t going to make it go away. Addressing it, condemning it, and fighting it will.
darian
@Kieran: I know you of all people aren’t trying to hold a mirror to anybody miss log cabin queen. You haven’t said one damn thing about white supremacist or Republicans. Hoes who live in rented glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
darian
@Kieran: And the next time you have a problem with anything I SAID you should address it to me.
Masc Pride
I’m going to bite the bullet and agree with Captain Obvious (this once). Some of you guys are using defense of your sexuality to justify your own bigotry. I’ve never been to any black churches, but I don’t see how overzealous Christians of other races are any different (Westboro, anyone?).
Also, you will never find any people that are more generally hateful than country club members (usually 100 percent white). It’s a lovely combo of pretty open and virulent homophobia, Islamophobia, misogyny (even the female members), r-cism and classism (and pretty much any other -ism and -phobia you can think of). Some of these folks make Westboro look compassionate.
Bob LaBlah
I won’t address this to anyone in particular but I will say that it covers nearly all of you. If you all stop to think just for a minute why the very root of “feelings” or animosities black/white gay men in America have toward each other are apparent is staring you right in the face. Go back to the day you entered kindergarten and ask yourself how many children of color (and yes, black gay men, white is a color too) were in your class. Starting from there go all the way up till you graduated from high school and add how many people of a different race or culture passed thru your class/school. From there you will see why feelings of neglect, loneliness in/on the job/work force are more present in some than others.
It is surprising how many people don’t know there are areas of the country where kids actually graduate valedictorian from their local high school but still do not qualify for universities. Four years of high school but you got no advanced math/science courses? How can one compete in a work force with that type upbringing? And last but not least how is it the fault of those who did come up in a multicultural society/setting that do well in all environments that there is a segment that is/has been robbed of a future?
SeeingAll
@darian: No way ! In NYC the majority of black gaybashers’ victims are black gays. Like with other crimes (usually intra-racial). I don’t know for certain, but I bet it’s the same for other cities. I’ve always felt bad for black gays having to go through that stuff all the time in their own neighborhoods (generally-speaking) when I can go to any white (generally) mall in the NYC suburbs and see teenage boys walk hand–in-hand now if they want to.
SeeingAll
@Masc Pride: You’ve never been to any black churches. There you go. Even in NYC there’s one in Harlem who openly espouses stoning-to-death for gays and lesbians. (Country clubs haven’t had the most hateful people since….probably the 1950s).
SeeingAll
(Obama’s church in Chicago is pretty gay-supportive, though, so I won’t claim every single black church is homophobic).
Masc Pride
@SeeingAll: I haven’t been to any black churches, but I’ve been to country clubs plenty of times. My family belongs to one, and all the various forms of bigotry I mentioned are alive and well even today. It’s pretty acceptable to be anti-any-and-everything. Guarantee you a lot of them wouldn’t step in to stop that Harlem congregation from stoning gays to death, and of course Westboro would only be so happy to pitch in and help. Your argument is totally flawed.
SeeingAll
@Masc Pride: And…you keep going back to those country clubs.
Franklin
@SeeingAll: What was that you were saying about black gay bashings again?
http://www.towleroad.com/2015/06/skinny-jeans/
SeeingAll
@Franklin: Whoa ! You’re right. A white man attacked. I take back every single conclusion I’ve come to over the years regarding all my experiences with race and homophobia. How could I have been so blind ?? And I’ll stop saying Indians always win the Spelling Bee too.
Blackceo
I’m just sitting back eating popcorn because I knew it wouldn’t take more than the first few comments to somehow turn an article about White supremacy and homophobia into a fucking shit show that blamed Black people. No one is saying homophobia doesn’t exist in the Black community, but don’t make it seem like we have a monopoly on it. The ignorance….I CANNOT!!!!
SeeingAll
@Blackceo: But since Queerty writers try to promote that white people hold the monopoly on homophobia and every other evil (and have promoted that ever since Andrew Belonsky was running things here), sometimes we just have to correct them.
Cam
@SeeingAll: I see you decided to troll this post too. You were on the other post attacking people for condeming Ian Reisner and saying he did nothing wrong, by donating to Ted Cruz, and here you are trying to derail a legitimate discussion on the group that the Charleston shooter claimed membership in and their hatred of gays.
You right wing trolls should really try to be less obvious when you hit this site and you wouldn’t be caught this quickly.
As for your first post, of COURSE a right wing troll would look at 9 black people being shot by a ra-cist and use it as an excuse to attack black people. See what I mean, you guys are too obvious.
Calebspapi
A few things, that I’m sure will be pulled down by Queerty. This is an article about white racism. So many came out to show just how pervasive it is in gay white men by their deflection onto black churches. So, let’s look at that. Black Americans who do follow those church teachings learned them from white people. The same white people who spew hate and venue while claiming victimhood. It has been white churches leading the charge but don’t forget providing money to their cause. Anyone that has visited a black church knows that they are not raising money to give to Republicans to fight equality. That would be the catholic, white southern baptist, Mormon and others.
Calebspapi
No person of color is claiming homophobia does not exist in our communities, as we, not white boys, are the most likely victims but that does not absolve white people of their raci$m. From politicians, florists, bakers, court clerks and average people, it is whites that are fighting against our equality at every turn. Not one credible politician of color, member of the black caucus, governor or mayor apposed us. Just the white ones.
tdh1980
When I saw that two of the first four comments on this story belonged to SeeingAll, I knew that this thread was going to become the $h!t show it’s turned out to be. The fact that it’s so easy for some of you to make even one example of “black homophobia” proof of an intrinsic failing of the entire race while simultaneously writing off people like Dylann Roof anomalies shows me that white supremacy is not reserved for the most extremely virulent of white r@cists. Then again that’s part of your privilege, even as gay men — to decide who’s good and bad and which narratives are true and false, emboldened by hundreds of years of being told both explicitly and tacitly how much better you are than everyone else. I’ll just sit here like Kermit and continue to sip my tea.
Calebspapi
Finally, it is the negative reaction, and deafening silence from white boys on this site, including calling people “black faggots” that is most telling. This is the face of modern white raci#m. They cannot handle the truth.So, they lie. Big deal a crazy black preacher says crazy shit. What he did not do was kill someone. But also gays of color have been protesting his actions since he began. We fight our demons, whites praise theirs.
And Prop 8 being the fault of people of color is another lie. We don’t have the numbers of eligible voters, who turn out, to make such a shift. That was white Mormons and other white christians, and you know this.
Almost all crimes are intra racial. Whites are not the true victims of black homophobia. Other people of color are. But we are the major victims of white rac$m and homophobia. Your fear of the other is literally killing us.
The only thing that sets most gay whites from straights is the sex. Look at profiles on line, “just a preference”, white gays posing with nazi/confederate flags, white gay skin heads, getting into bars while black/brown, non representation within non profits and the media, almost zero coverage on websites like this one. Yes, white people have a ras#m problem. The question is what are you going to do about it, besides cry, lie and deny?
But I guess I would be defensive too, if all of my misdeeds had come home to roost.
1EqualityUSA
I wish we could get past our molecules. Inanimate objects move at our behest.
Cam
@tdh1980: said…
“”When I saw that two of the first four comments on this story belonged to SeeingAll, I knew that this thread was going to become the $h!t show it’s turned out to be. “”
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The right wing trolls desperately want to be first on stories like these so they can derail the conversation.
Calebspapi
@Cam: it is the silence from other whites that I find unsettling. And yes, I would like people of color to chime in, with facts, to defend against such comments. If we can return to the topic, the SC shooter was known to search the Internet and found similar whites who posted lies, half truths and other garbage about blacks. How many white gays do you believe are being influenced from the evil posted on Queerty? Either we fight and stop them today, here and now, or fight them for a life time.
SeeingAll
Awwww……..sorry, I don’t live in a p.c. fantasy world. I live in reality, where in Brooklyn a float during the West Indies day parade actually had a singer performing a song about killing gays. Repeat : a public parade with a singer espousing the killings of gays and lesbians. We only know about it because that (white) politico goofball was there singing along. (He didn’t understand what was being said). That’s the real world, not the Queerty blog world (where that incident was never mentioned). There’s not a single thing I wrote that can’t be verified by other (legit) sources, and that’s what infuriates you all. When…instead of being mad at me, you should be seeking answers to the problems (which hurt black gays more than anyone).
SeeingAll
And…choose any statement of mine and ask for links…we can start right now.
Captain Obvious
Funny how on the day we just won national marriage EQUALITY this dickhead SeeingNothing is still here preaching hatred of black people for his pathetic little agenda. Also if you’ve ever interacted with his alt accounts before you’ll recognize his posting style right away. He must have no life.
Anyway, we won, and I’m over this race talk. There are major issues in the gay community to work on but derailed conversations like this help no one and that’s all this little troll wanted in the first place. He’s probably not even gay. Keeping gay people segregated keeps us from getting our act together from working towards the same goals that much faster as well as creating a positive blended image for the rest of the nation to see.
The last place race should matter is in the gay community considering gay people come in all colors and both genders. It’s time to grow up. Even little kids know how to play nicely with people who don’t look exactly like them.
Calebspapi
@SeeingAll: first, stop making it seem as if you care about black people. No one is disputing homophobia. ..except you. In the real world whites are working to keep gays from full equality. White politicians are at the forefront, whites are funding it. Yet you are butt hurt over a song. But where we’re you when a white lawyer in California tried a ballot initiative to kill all gays and sentence anyone who speaks of equality to 10 years prison. You are picking up pebbles, when bricks are being thrown at us.
And let it be known that a BLACK MAN, as President, was the first to support gay rights, put 2 gay supportive Justices on the Supreme court and assured, even someone like you, the right to marry the person of their choice. But white people are freaking out and ready to continue fighting. Just ask NOM, Focus on the family, Americans for justice…All white groups who have POWER. Those issues you mention, though hurtful, are no where what whites accomplish on a daily basis. Including exporting hatred to Uganda.
SeeingAll
Why are you yelling at me ? Blacks are the bigger homophobes, percentage-wise. Deal with the real problem. The same goes for Andrew Belonsky and Queerty. Now…which links do you want ? To back up ANY statement I made here.
SeeingAll
@Calebspapi: I love Obama. Voted for him. And I think he was genuinely happy about the Supreme Court decision. That contradicts nothing I pointed out. //////Uganda ? (OR anywhere else in south-of-Sahara Africa). Black Supremacists say there was no homosexuality in Africa until the white man brought it there from Europe.
SeeingAll
@Calebspapi: Oh yeah. Is it a coincidence that the whitest states in the U.S. were the first to legalize same-sex marriage ?
Calebspapi
@SeeingAll: I was going to let you wallow in your personal issues until you talked about white states. We are done. You have shown your true colors for all the non believers. White states? Really.
SeeingAll
@Calebspapi: Whitest states, yes. N.H., Maine, Iowa, MA, and Vermont…look it up (the population by race). Can’t hide from the facts, bro. Notice you don’t want any links. I guess you better scurry away.
darian
@SeeingAll: Why don’t you just take the initiative and post the damn links. I’m curious to know where the hell you got the idea blacks are the most homophobic by percentage from.
Kangol
@darian: I give you credit for engaging a gay white supremacist. I really do.
Meanwhile, our black president, Barack Obama, has done more to advance LGBTIQ rights and equality than any other president, all of them white, in US history.
At the same time, white GOP candidates Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, Mike Huckabee, Jeb! Bush, Rick Santorum, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, Lindsey Graham (who very well may be gay himself), etc., are on record promoting anti-gay legislation, and several of these people today openly attacked the SCOTUS’s historic decision in favor of LGBTIQ equality and same sex marriage.
Moreover, the Roman Catholic Church, the Mormon Church, the Southern Baptists, and various evangelical churches, have battled over and over, and continue to do so, to prevent LGBTIQ equality in the United States. No single black denomination has anywhere near the power these white-dominated organizations do in harming LGBTIQ people. That person who is debating you is willfully not admitting to this, because s/he wants the privilege and entitlement that comes with whiteness.
SeeingAll
@darian: Because there are too many points I made. Which one should I start with ?
SeeingAll
@Kangol: Good thing those black churches don’t have the power !!!! If they were the majority the U.S. would be Zimbabwe or Jamaica for gays and lesbians.
darian
@SeeingAll: How is it we are the most homophobic when we make up most of the gay population?
Source: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1989859
darian
@SeeingAll: I just gave you one. Dealers choice at this point. For the record I’m ready to laugh my ass off. I guarantee its gonna be from the early 2000’s or Wikipedia hahaha.
SeeingAll
@darian: Firstly, I should be laughing my head off if you believe that blacks, who make up 15 percent of the population, make up the majority of gays in the U.S.
darian
@SeeingAll: You realized you’ve just fucked your whole argument right? Why not just admit you don’t like backs and move the fuck on.
darian
@Kangol: Thank you for the support and your welcome. Only thing I’m seeing from this person and I use the term lightly is the need to distract from the conversation.
Cam
@SeeingAll:
I think we now know what BJMcFrisky’s new screename is.
Typical right wing troll, no matter the posting, twist blame so it’s the gays fault, or the blacks fault.
1EqualityUSA
The virulent link between white supremacy and homophobia? Both show a lack of empathy. The mindset behind it is separation, dividing, setting up the possibility of strife. It’s placing ego above reason and body above spirit, in that, its defiance is pronounced. The words that ensue, when one is spiritually unhealthy, are the dead giveaway, as they fly from the heart, swirled in utter fear and contempt. Do trouble-makers fear that they will be found out? Strife is the link, but what is the underlying motive? What does one hope to gain by sowing seeds of hate, fear, and separation. I see us all as water, their is no separation (really) mush as we’d like to think we are all individuals. We are all one, so why all the fuss? Some great conversations are taking place. With empathy, patience, dignity, and a genuine willingness to let our flesh take its seat, our exchanges will be productive. I want to be proud of these conversations. We need not turn on one another so fiercely. White supremacy is an illusion. Molecules are merely diodes, what we say to each other says more about us than anything, no matter the color. It’s like screaming at a phone, yelling at the plastic. The voice is forgotten.
SeeingAll
@1EqualityUSA: @Cam: Don’t know who B.J. McFrisky was, but if he protested against a singer from Jamaica at Brooklyn’s West Indies Day Parade singing about killing gays, then Friskey is cool with me.
SeeingAll
@SeeingAll: If I didn’t like blacks I’d admit it. Why not ? We’re just anonymous “names” here.
SeeingAll
@1EqualityUSA: Then how come all the higher I.Q.s seem to be where the molecules are floating around in Japan ?
SeeingAll
And how come the self-hating mick John Gallagher is hiding from making any defense of his pathetic article ?
1EqualityUSA
SeeingAll,
Some gifts are music, poetry, resounding spiritual depths, wrought by unimaginable pain. Everyone has capacity and we would do well to edify one another and look for these things. If you look for the best in people, you’ll be surrounded by only good people.
Bino
@Captain Obvious: I love you.