Could Jim McGreevey be the gay Dick Cheney? New Jersey’s Star-Ledger reported Monday that the former Governor and/or his staff inappropriately disposed of emails, which are meant to be archived.
The destruction came to light during into an investigation into discriminatory politics during McGreevey’s reign. Elizabeth Wong formerly of the higher Education Student Assistance Authority director Elizabeth Wong alleges that the administration mistreated her because she’s Asian. Lawyers looking into the case hit a road block when they attempted to get correspondence regarding Wong.
Multiple insiders say McGreevey made quite a habit of deleting messages:
Sources who worked for McGreevey said they believe that, in the earliest days of his administration, the computer system was set for what they termed an “aggressive” purging schedule. The setting was designed to limit how many documents would have to be turned over to reporters seeking information under the Open Public Records Act that took effect shortly after McGreevey became governor.
McGreevey has acknowledged destroying documents, but just things that “were not important”. Oh, okay…
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M Shane
I find it perverse and simple-minded to liken Jim McGreevey to a Nazi Like Cheney. Anyone who would lacks any sense of perspective regarding values.
Cheney is a criminal and should be put in jail.
On the other hand, too my knowledge, McGreevey did nothing that was antigay; he suffered the consequences of his own failure to come out, at an earlier date which at my last reading is not a crime in itself-only against oneself.
I hold with ‘outing’ antigay hypocrits in government, but I can’t see why he is the subject of so much flack , unless you are jealous of him, for which there seems to be little reason. I don’t think he deserves to be rejected by his own.
M Shane
p.s. Any matters which Cheny would hide have to do with crimes of grave inhumanity and deception related serious offenses of state.
If Mc Greevey his sexuality that is hardly in the same category
tommy
I guess be against gay marriage doesn’t count as anti-gay?
As for suffered the consequences of not coming out, what a load? he stayed in the closet because he thought he could gain more power. The only reason he came out was so he could get a pass on being a corrupt politician who put his fuckbuddy in charge of the homeland security department.
Until he was caught he did not give damn about “his own”.
M Shane
By no means is everyone who doesn’t care to copy heterosexual lifestyles anti-gay. That’s a strange idea that is driven by assimilationists like A. Sullivan.
I hate to read into other peoples motives. I know that I could certainly have had a great deal of social, economic advancement had I not chosen to come out. A lot of people don’t really know how to get through life and be out and I think it is painful.
Coming out is very difficult for some people, and is painful for a lot of people. I try not to jump to conclusions or put myself in other peoples shoes.
Certainly it’s wrong to put him in the same category as Cheney or Hitler.
tommy
Assimilationist? First off I could barely pronounce the word. He went out of his way to deny gay couples the same choices and rights as straight couples.
Am i aping straights when i want to marry my partner of 11 years that’s fine with me. Does that make me a traitor to the gay community? Well fine I guess i ain’t the type to jump from bed to bed and live a peter pan existence.
M Shane
Tommy , I can’t take the time or space to expain to you what most people familiar with gay libration knows, but: It’s one thing to say that you want to have the same rights as married herterosexual couples and another to say that you want to be married like them(the institution). An assimilationist wants to be as much like straight people as possible just forthe sake of conformity nooyt forthe sake of equal rights. I don’t know McGreevey’s history on civil unions or alternative programs, so I can’t say how he stands on equality. That is not the same as marriage necessarily.
Leo
“By no means is everyone who doesn’t care to copy heterosexual lifestyles anti-gay. That’s a strange idea that is driven by assimilationists like A. Sullivan.”
Did you read that back to yourself before posting? Could you produce a quote from Sullivan where he asserts that gay people who don’t share his enthusiasm for same-sex marriage were being anti-gay?
And what does any of this have to do with Mc Greevey’s track record of, poor judgement, evasion and shady behavior?
Mc Greevey was a closet case wracked by Catholic guilt. His objection to marriage rights was not driven by gay liberation theory it was a cynical political move to appease certain constituents and deflect attention from the rumors that had always swirled around him.
He certainly had no problem with the institution of marriage when he was parading his enormously pregnant beard around NJ during his last election.
He certainly seems happy with the marriage like arrangement he has settled into with his wealthy banker husband.
When traditional institutions and arrangements work to his advantage he’s quite alright with them.
M Shane
Andrew Sullivan very explicitly has laid claim to proposing that the end to gay liberation laid in Marriage: that’s Catholic guilt. His whole program is generated around the rejection of more activist positions which propose a more complex notion of gay emotional needs and political aspirations than would be consistent with marriage alone. I didn’t state that he said explicitlty that peole who didn’t agree with him were anti-gay, that is clearly implied however in his assertions that any gay liberation would be unnecessary if we just behaved like heterosexuals and had Marriages. He has one essay in which he claims to have “brought an end’ to gay liberation: in our becoming assimilated to heterosexual values. He is the person with overabundant Catholic persuasion
His politics is, on the whole, far more right wing than I have any tolerance for. He is a good writer. I was raised with my own share of
destructive Catholic respecability, and I would guess that if he was impervious to the effects of that, he would be a very exceptional person.
I have difficulty believing that he is all as sociopathic as people make him out to be, but that is possible.
Leo
“I didn’t state that he said explicitlty that peole who didn’t agree with him were anti-gay,”
You certainly implied it.
“that is clearly implied however in his assertions that any gay liberation would be unnecessary if we just behaved like heterosexuals and had Marriages.”
No it doesn’t. It implies that he doesn’t agree with a broader liberationist agenda,(a view by no means unique to him) but it doesn’t follow that he thinks gay-liberationists are being anti-gay which is what you implied.
M Shane
Given a strict analyis , no! He goes beyond disagreeing with a broader liberationist agenda to the point of pretty directly stating that their position is irrelivant vis a vis his “elightened” position, (which isn’t anti-gay) but certainly self-righteously dismissive. He certainly did effect a whole movement of people who were destructive to a broader
agenda. This is responsible for our subsequent lack of community and many peoples’ single issue focus.
Lucas
“The destruction came to light during into an investigation into discriminatory politics during McGreevey’s reign. Elizabeth Wong formerly of the higher Education Student Assistance Authority director Elizabeth Wong alleges that the administration mistreated her because she’s Asian.”
No offense, because I love you guys to death, but did you even bother to proof this?