“There might be a time where I identify as trans. I don’t know what this looks like for me. There might be a time where I identify as non-binary and gender nonconforming my entire life. Or maybe there’s a period of time when I get older that I identify as a woman, I don’t know what that looks like, but for me, in this moment right now, this is how I identify. And I have a feeling that it’s not going to ever go back to one way or the other, but I just, it’s about keeping it open and free and just I’m a very fluid person, and so that goes with how I express myself as well.”–Nonbinary singer Demi Lovato speaking about their gender journey to Just Jared.
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Demi Lovato says they may identify as trans some day
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Hdtex
…….And one day I may identify as a pink male unicorn. She totally miscalculated our interest in her psychological confusion.
oscarjames
You don’t say!!! Needless to say, I wait with bated breath, sitting on pins and needles, anticipating what your next move will be!
GlobeTrotter
And this is exactly the problem with identity politics – the insinuation that gender and identity are fluid choices subject to our mood makes a mockery out of individual who truly suffer from dysphoric disorders.
Just a few days ago I was talking to one of my friends who runs a summer camp for kids 8 to 18. He called me from the camp one night completely exasperated with this year’s batch of kids and their various “identities”. It’s been getting progressively worse every year, but this year fully one-third of the kids claim to have some form of gender identity that doesn’t match their observable biological sex. All of this is causing chaos among the camp counselors who have to be keeping lists of the various gender pronouns and sexualities in order not to offend anyone. And surprisingly, it’s mostly the girls that are affected, he said.
Back when I was a teenager, one of the major reasons for going to camp was to hook-up. Well, there’s no hooking up going on anymore, my friend said. The boys are terrified because they don’t know how to talk to or approach the girls, who now have a myriad of gender pronouns and sexualities, that no one seems to understand.
Most of these kids come from upper middle-class families, which led my friend to conclude that this is a problem of overly-permissive parents not providing enough boundaries and guidance for their children. These kids are so impressionable that they buy into everything they see on TV or read on the internet, but with no parental guidance, they flirt with whatever brings them maximum satisfaction at that particular moment.
I’m so thankful I was raised in an era of common-sense by no-nonsense parents!
Hank31
One third seems very high, assuming it is a run-of-the-mill summer camp. If it is a “themed” camp, for example, with a focus on social justice or feminism, then that might explain it.
A more heartbreaking example can be found in summer camps originally set up for gay and lesbian kids. These camps began to show up only around 15 years ago or so, in the :US and Canada. Today, these camps are nearly 100% trans camps, and nearly all the campers are girls who “identify” as boys. The LGB kids are displaced, even thought the camps were created for them with LGB money. There’s a report on YT about one of the Canadian camps, founded by a gay man (who had thought about how much a summer camp would have helped him as a youth). The guy says that when it started, it was all gay kids and now it is 98% trans.
GlobeTrotter
It’s a dance camp run by a straight ally of the gay community. The kids are mostly straight and come from upper-class to rich families who are happy to have somewhere to “park” their kids for a few weeks each summer. This friend of mine’s a very close ally of the gay community, but even he thinks this gender identity thing has gone way too far. The girls at the camp are outrageous, he says, dressing like boys and identifying with a string of gender pronouns. The head counselor just cracked under the pressure and quit last week. These kids are totally rudderless and get no guidance at home. They tell their parents what they identify as, who then turn around and indulge them in their fantasies. The sad thing is, these kids are our future!
ciasteczek
Luckely in Europe where I live, we still use common-sense, and all this “Im non-binary today, but tomorrow moon phases will change and i may be trans” nonsense doesnt exist here.
LumpyPillows
My feelings may be fluid. My choices may change. My gender does not. I may be a fem boy today, a unicorn tomorrow, and a rough top in a leather harness with the right partner, but I’m still a boy. This fluid gender stuff is nonsense – it may be how you feel, and your feelings are yours to indulge, but it is not your gender. It undermines people with real gender issues, specifically transgender people; it makes a mockery of trans people in the final analysis by saying their fixation with a specific gender identity is outdate an wrong. This is unworkable in any real-world scenario (read the story) for anyone who has ever had to really deal with it – most supporters of this nonsense have not lived with it, and support it based on their feelings. It is utter, self-indulgent nonsense. No, as a liberal, I do not have to embrace every hairbrained idea some college teaching assistant comes up with while pontificating at a Starbucks with her MacBook and a stale scone.
Openminded
She confuses me when she says she probably will never be one singular sex again yet claims trans may be in her future. Does the meaning of trans not indicate that you are changing from one thing to another? I’ve assumed that transfolk transition to become either male or female, not something fluid in between.
Wicked Dickie
There’s your hero.
BoomerMyles
I think Demi us making a mockery out of people with real gender dystopia issues.
She’s basically basing her gender identity on whether that day of the week has a “r” in it or not.
inbama
Gender dystopia? LOL.
That’s not the name of the disorder, however that’s a great description as to where Gender Ideology has taken us.
jackscott
Demi is a hot mess!
Ouranos
She will say anything to stay relevant
PerhapsYesNoMaybe
Translation: attention whore will do whatever in a given moment to stay in the public eye. Many celebrities are insufferable narcissists.
dhmonarch89
I hate having to learn to read again- I read ‘they’ and I think plural, I’m wondering who they are…then- oh, right, it’s a singular person now. I hate the world today!
bsg1967
She’s just offensive
Openminded
I’m thinking “they” be stoned today. Maybe once “they” sober up, they will know who they are.
skeldare
Someone’s off their meds
Hank31
It just blows my mind that self-appointed gay leaders in the late 1990s tied us to this insanity, and that we let them get away with it.
Pistolo
Until 2019 Demi led a career wherein they were a massive beneficiary of the heteronorm and gendered pageantry as well as a toxic relationship with fame. I can’t unsee that, I can’t just ignore my intuition on the matter, and I’m not going to pretend like the majority doesn’t sometimes just appropriate things when they get bored with being so mainstream. How do you explain things like “blue-eyed soul”? We see it all the time, is it possible that’s just what’s going on here? Or should I just take everything at face value even if it dilutes these terms and sweeps people to the side potentially by enabling this?
I do think gender is bulls—, every queer person is in some way seriously inhibited by gender norms. It frustrates me someone could possibly just perform this contention to get some kind of edge and I’m starting to see that happen.
M K
I certain hope “they” are both paying taxes. If they are being recognized at not an individual is a right then it comes with responsibilities.
As for Demi, this seems mostly about staying in the conversation and being relevant. That publicist need to earn their fees.
inbama
It’s not my business to criticize how or what she identifies.
It is my business that people who need to be working out their identity problems on a psychiatrist’s couch have been permitted to force the use of the Singular They and 30 absurd neo-pronouns on the rest of us.
lakawak
Yeah…that’s how it works. Some day. MAYBE!
My guess is, when Demi has a new album coming out will be the time to do it.
Bonuscheque
she is so so so incredibly annoying. make HER go away.
Bromancer7
:headdesk:
I just can’t anymore with this nonsense. She needs intense therapy, not new pronouns.
ryepie2222
Man, she’s annoying. She’s a mess. GET MORE HELP.
Heywood Jablowme
They is so fluid, they is dripping all over the place!
ShiningSex
“THEY” are a bore.
One day “trans”?
The bitch don’t know now? Sounds like BS
GreekKeys
As the world waits with bated breath.
frankcar1965
I may identify as Kubla Khan some day, but that doesn’t make me that.
dhmonarch89
see you at the Pleasure Dome, Kubla!
ScottOnEarth
Demi has got to be the absolute BIGGEST narcissist on the planet and someone I could never take seriously. She is so completely flighty and shallow that she says anything to get attention but nothing she says ever makes any sense. I don’t care what they identify as but they really need to just focus on being authentic for once.
stephen_25
She’s a drug addict? And people want her to be a role model for the rainbow alphabet army?
No thanks.