Oh how kind of the incoming Obama administration to listen to the concerns of the wee gay community. Having pandered to the gay community during his entire campaign, the president-elect appears ready to actually hear what we have to say. Over a week ago, “gay activists met with members of President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team last week in a two-hour session focused on policy issues and presidential appointments,” reports Southern Voice. Of course, this was before Obama selected Pastor Rick Warren to say a prayer at his inauguration.
“Rea Carey, executive director of the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force, said transition team officials were attentive during the meeting and very appreciative of the clarity of recommended policy changes. ‘They were taking notes, they were listening, they were responding, they were asking questions, they were a very, very engaged transition team and that bodes well for our community moving forward,’ she said.
“About 60 people attended the Dec. 10 meeting, including transition leaders such as John Podesta, co-chair of Obama’s transition team; Jim Messina, who is in charge of Obama’s personnel decisions; Mike Strautmanis, director of public liaison and intergovernmental affairs; Melanie Barnes, whom Obama tapped to become the White House’s domestic policy director; and Parag Mehta, the transition team’s liaison for minority groups, according to activists.
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“Carey said activists also told transition officials that the gay community is interested in being part of the major issues of the day, including the economic crisis or health care reform.
“Activists made it clear that the gay community wants to be “part of creating solutions to these problems” and asked transition officials to make sure that “LGBT people are not left behind when these discussions are taking place,” Carey said.
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“Solmonese said his role at the meeting was to discuss non-legislative changes that Obama’s administration could make to improve the lives of gay and transgender Americans.
“He said he presented the transition team an 80-page document of proposed changes.”
joe
I begrudgingly voted for President Pinnochio. I can’t say Hillary would have been the one to make change, but I didn’t fear it’s delay.
ggreen
John Cloud at Time magazine today: “Obama has proven himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot.†Brilliant view from under the bus.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0%2C8599%2C1867664%2C00.html
andy
Thank you for the tip about the John Cloud article. In back of my mind I know all along he wasn’t going to help us, but I thought McCain would have been worse, maybe I was wrong and Obama is really just as bad for us? I don’t know, but Obama does come off as a very polite reasonable sounding bigot! I’m depressed now. Won’t anybody who isn’t gay stand up for us?
ggreen
I think the thing I am most disappointed about is that Obama thinks my life and civil rights are a “social issue†that can be not only taken away but also voted on and marginalized by others.
Michael W.
@ggreen: I assume you’re pro-life, then?
You sound like a wingnut arguing against abortion rights.
All the “rights” we have as American citizens are words written on pieces of paper. Courts across the nation from the SCOTUS on down make decisions about those rights all the time. Take a good look at shit like the Patriot Act and see that yes, your life and civil rights can not only be taken away but voted on and marginalized by others.
audiored
@andy: I visit dailykos frequently, and I believe the answer is basically no. I guess I’m not really shocked at the casual bigotry of straight liberals. But, it adds to the anger.
It is the condescension that LGBT concerns are treated to. If gays get upset and make demands the response is that we are driving ‘allies’ away by our behavior. (As if they don’t really value human rights. Human rights are only for those people they like and aren’t offended by.) If actions of a favored politician are called out and condemned, we are told we are throwing a hissy fit and being hysterical.
The most common is that symbolic acts like rewarding and giving a platform and legitimacy to filthy bigots like Warren or McClurkin isn’t really that important because no one cares or pays attention to stuff like that. And it is just symbolic after all. Something that even comes from some gays. I certainly don’t understand that. Almost everyone I know takes note of these things to one degree or another.
Unfortunately we are tiny minority and are dependent on flaky and unreliable allies.
Ed
I’m so glad they took notes!
ChicagoJimmy
I’m still waiting for Obama to invite some flaming queen who fought hard for gay marriage in California. If he’s all about gathering people around him he doesn’t agree with, then the person I described should fit right in.
Wayne
“Obama has proven himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot.†John Cloud Time Magazine.
That pretty much sums it up!
NickC
The Obama transition team is having scores of meetings like this with every type of interest group in Washington DC. I know because I just took part in a transition team meeting for customers of the postal service.
If anything, the fact they had just one meeting to cover all gay organizations is another indication of how much they’ve pushed our concerns to the back burner. The meeting I participated in was one of at least a dozen meetings with different interest groups concerned about postal issues.
I am one of those supporters of Obama who is now thoroughly disenchanted. First Obama backed off from trying to end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell–until the military reaches a “consensus” to do so. Now he’s got an anti-gay bigot opening the inauguration.
So don’t be fooled when Obama’s people throw us an occasional bone by pretending to listen to gay concerns. You’ll find that the bone always lands right under the bus.
Michael W.
@NickC: Please tell us some of the other “interest groups” who were able to score multiple meetings with the Obama Transition Team. They only had one with Jewish groups yesterday and I don’t see or hear the Jews bitching about how that means Obama cares any less about them.
ChicagoJimmy
@andy:
Here’s a pretty good piece from a straight guy on HuffPo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/not-another-word-on-gay-m_b_152282.html
It’s satire, but he makes a good point.
Leland Frances
The Jews aren’t bitching? Maybe that’s because Obama never invited Osama bin Laden to give a prayer at his inauguration. There are physical terrorists and there are verbal terrorists and the end result is the same: dead people. But gays aren’t people to Obama, we’re “issues.”
Some are saying that his invitation to the pro gay Rev. Joseph Lowery balances it all out. Few of those are likely to have actually met Lowery as I have. I hosted him many yrs. ago for an anti Vietnam War event. He IS a rare, eloquent, loving, Christ-like man, and the fact that Obama’s invitation to Warren ALSO signals to people that O thinks he is Lowery’s equal in every way is yet another OBSCENITY. Warren isn’t worthy of wiping Lowery’s ass. But there they’ll both be, bookends to Obama’s blind arrogance.
Lowery’s words from so long ago about warmongers have rung in my ears everytime I’ve heard a hatemonger, and they fit PERFECTLY for WARREN:
“Their lying tongues strut through the earth.”
Check out the recent “the invitation is a slap in the face” comments by Shepard Fairey, the STRAIGHT artist who turned Obama’s mediocre, gangly visage into an international icon of something greater than all of us “gets it” but his subject is still groping in the dark. Or rather is NOT even trying to understand. He simply took his moldy, jejune justification for inviting/not disinviting Donnie “Gays Are Trying to Kill Our Children” McClurkin to a gospel and grits show in South Carolina, crossed out Donnie’s name and wrote in Warren’s to attempt to disguise the neo-Nazi elephant in the middle of the biggest room a billion+ people will be peering into January 20th as someone no more morally repugnant than a bad case of halitosis.
Barack Obama is not about Change; he is about defending the status quo that we are not living and DYING people but “issues” that it’s peachy keen to disagree about. We interupt this oh so polite debate to bring you the funeral of the next Matthew Shepard, Lawrence King, or Gwen Araujo.
Repeat: Obama would never have invited any preacher, no matter how big his following, who had equated blacks, Jews, Asians, Latinos, fill-in-the blank EXCEPT FOR GAYS with child molestors and had been one of the gang leaders in an election to take away blacks’, et al.’s, civil rights.
And those springing to Obama’s defense with the idea that it’s not really that serious, blah blah blah are like a wife beater saying to his bleeding, broken spouse, “What the fuck are you whining about? I didn’t kill you did I?”
GET OFF YOUR STOMACHS! STOP BENDING OVER, PULL OBAMA’S DRY DICK OUT OF YOUR ASSES, AND STAND UP GAY! BOYCOTT THE INAUGURATION. DEMAND A REFUND OF ANY DONATIONS YOU MADE TO HIS CAMPAIGN.
Barack Obama has fallen victim to the worst disease any potential leader can: BELIEVING his own hype. He is not a part of the solution. He is a part of the problem.
seitan-on-a-stick
O’Bummer, should picked Hillary!
Hillary 2016!
Raphael
Jews aren’t bitching because Obama didn’t include any anti-semites in his inauguration.
Rock
I gave $100 to Obama.
I want it back now!
John Smith
Abraham Lincoln was a very polite, reasonable-sounding bigot. He didn’t like black people or believe they should have equal rights; but he freed the slaves.
Jason
Guys… did Obama ever make any promises to our community during the campaign? ANY? No. So he’s not breaking any either.
He doesn’t care about this issue and never did. Drop it. The Prop 8 defeat proves that America is not interested in a dialogue with us and are not about to be anytime soon.
MCnNYC
@ Raphel….what do you call someone…a pastor Rick in particular who has said (as reported in the WSJ no less)
That a Jew who has not accepted Christ is going to Hell?
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@John Smith:
🙁
ggreen
From Kerry Eleveld today at the Advocate: “I can still hear our friends in South Carolina saying, “We told you so,†but absent even a smidge of glee. After “ex-gay” gospel singer Donnie McClurkin’s homophobic comments came to light, Barack Obama told me in an interview that McClurkin was “not vetted to the extent that people were aware of his attitudes with respect to gay and lesbians, LGBT issues — at least not vetted as well as I would have liked to see.†LGBT activists in S.C. hoped that McClurkin would be bumped from the campaign’s gospel tour lineup, but short of that, they at the very least wanted some conciliatory note to be sounded by then-candidate Obama. They are still waiting. Beyond expressing his disappointment in the vetting process, President-elect Obama never signaled any hint of regret about the debacle.â€
http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid68730.asp
RichardR
Alito, Roberts, Scalia, Thomas. Had he no qualifications, no experience, no brains, no vision, at the end of the day, that’s why I voted for Barack Obama. I’m now worried that even there, he might let us down. And by us, I mean not only LGBT folks. It’s really so disheartening.
michael
When Obama won the Democratic nomination I told my husband that America was in for the second half of the great lesson it has been given since Bush became president.
That lesson is that opposites are not necessarily opposite. Obama is just a different color (no pun intended) of the same bullshit we have experienced the past 8 years. He has been equally as insulting to gay people as Bush was. Oh yeah, a few choice words such as the one the night he was elected gave false hope, but I knew it was crap. His actions show what he is truly about and he has repeatedly paraded some of the worst bigots in this country in front of our face. And remember, he voted for Fisa. He has no problem with trampling on the civil rights of Americans just as Bush did. America just voted in a new mask to hide behind. A mask that says we are a tolerant inclusive nation, but it is a mask. The United States is not going to go up, it has not finished going down yet. It is a spiritually and morally bankrupt nation and this is reflect in its economic bankruptcy which has only just begun.
Chapeau
Solmonese is simply amazing … 80 PAGES !!!??
Here I can sum it up with less than 1.
EQUALITY.
SIMPLY EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW.
AND IT IS WAY PAST TIME
IN AMERICA.
F — our LBGT *activist* are useless as tits on a boar!
Ben
Queerty you are getting boring with all this drama about nothing. Stop being catty and let us know when he actually starts working on the legislations. He’s not even President yet. This sounds like a fucked up reality tv show watching party…
Bruno
Jerry Brown’s up for re-election in 2010 and he’s put that on the line by working to overturn prop 8. Gavin Newsom has staked his whole career in the battle for our rights. Obama needs to grow a set.
Charles J. Mueller
@Michael W.:
> I don’t see or hear the Jews bitching”
They didn’t just have their civil-rights ripped away from them.
We did.
Any more stoopit comments?
Charles J. Mueller
@Michael W.:
From this source: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1039304.html
“When the new Congress debuts in January 2009, a record 45 Jews will take the oath of office: 32 in the House of Representatives and – regardless of the outcome in the still-contested Minnesota election – 13 Jews in the Senate.”
Isreal also has the full financial and military support of the US.
With that kind of representation and support, can you give me one good reason why they should bitch?
Do your homework. Your ignorance is embarrassing to the LGBT community.
Haitiana4Obama
I believe every citizen has the right to address their government when feeling slighted, but I also think we are sometimes too quick to react. To everything there is a season, and while I admit it is a bold move by Barack Obama, I also feel as though there is more to this then meets the eye. If we are to change, first we must understand the problem before us in order to create a plan to promote such change. I feel that by including Rick Warren, President-Elect Obama is asserting his right to govern as he see’s fit, while keeping in mind that he has to serve all of America.
I think that many homosexuals as a whole are hurt because Warren was very successful in campaigning for the passage of Prop. 8 (which I have mixed feelings about), and in selecting him, President-Elect Obama has opened up a few wounds which haven’t begun to fully heal. Was it a callus decision or a cunning one? Time is the only one which will tell…but I do know and believe that Obama has many challenges ahead and having the support of everyone is important in achieving the goals he’s set before him. I am 100% certain of is that this presidency will be unlike anything before its time, and we have an obligation to not try and stir fire among the ashes, as this country is indeed off-course and unity is the only way to reshape the USA.
Also I am not saying anyone else is not justified in feeling hurt, but simply try and question the motives behind this pick. Do you think someone as smart and careful as President-Elect Obama would simply pick Warren without thought to the reaction, and without a bigger plan? I highly doubt he did so simply to appease the conservatives…there is a storm brewing a revolutionary one that I believe will bring equal rights to all. But trust and believe that there must be a certain calm before the storm. Obama has yet to take office, and look how many threats the man is facing against his life…he has no choice but to appear the centrist, but I believe he is really for the people and will indeed govern by the people.
Please remember the promise President-Elect Obama make on Election Day,”to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn…I will be your president, too.” Givehim a chance to be America’s president, and not just the Democrats/Liberals/Disgusted Republicans president, but all of the United States!
SLOKev6
Below is a letter I wrote to Obama at his transition team web site. I’m wondering if the so-called HRC deadlines for O to get LGBT agenda items passed is enough… I’m dubious about these items getting through, and it doesn’t really account for the symbolic gut-punch of the Warren choice… I’m thinking that everyone at the inauguration AND everyone at home stand and turn their backs to Warren while either saying a quiet prayer to themselves or observing a simple moment of silence… Let the President-elect know that this is what will happen if Warren isn’t dis-invited…
***
President-Elect:
I’m a heterosexual white male with two kids. My wife and I donated hundreds of dollars to the campaign from the git-go in 2007, and we’re not rich. I have — until now — believed in you. In fact, November 4th was one of the great nights of my life. But today I’m deeply offended by the choice of the bigoted Rick Warren as your choice to provide the invocation at the inauguration. His stance on gay marriage and, indeed, gayness itself is not simply retrograde but despicably undemocratic.
One question: Would you have dared choose a minister who said blacks and whites could not marry? Or Jews and non-Jews? No, I think not.
I can heartily go along with what is often called centrist choices and appointments. I’m a deficit hawk myself, and I approve of virtually everything you’ve done thus far in the transition. But now, with this slap in the face of those seeking equality everywhere, you have begun to corrode the hope you had stirred in me and millions of others…
The rights of all people should be advocated and protected. Rick Warren is an advocate of exclusivity and sexual polarization. I had thought you would not highlight his kind of ugly narrow-mindedness.
I hope you will reconsider this deeply mistaken choice.
Charles J. Mueller
@Haitiana4Obama:
SLOKev6, I am one of those millions of gay people who are, indeed, hurt and dismayed by President-Elect Obama’s choice of Rick Warren, an outspoken and unapologetic homophobe to deliver the Invocation at his Inauguration.
Like you, I have tried to look at the opposite side of that coin in the hope that Mr. Obama does have some plan of action in mind that called for his reaching out to Dr. Warren other than paying homage to those members of the religious right who voted for him.
I just wanted you to know that I thought your composition was eloquent, moving and thought-provoking. Your closing line was an absolute gem that brought a lump to my throat and a tear to my eye. What an elegant vision for the America that we seem to have lost somwhere along the way.
Tim
We have two “Christians”, Warren and Obama. This proves that Christians, in general, even the good, liberal ones, will stab you in the back every time. They ALL hate us at some level, conscious or not.
Who’s worse, Warren or Obama. I submit that Obama is far worse. At least Warren is up front, he’ll smile as he shoves the knife in your rib cage and makes no bones about it. Obama on the other hand, he promises you the world first, tells you he’ll be your best friend and then USES you to get something important accomplished for HIM. Then, he turns around and stabs you in the back once he has what he wants and needs. And, while he’s doing it, he tells you that he’s still your good friend. Warren is honest and up front with his hate. Obama is a snake in the grass. It really tells you what kind of person we will have as our next “President”. Be assured, the new boss is the same as the old boss. We all got fooled again.
Charles J. Mueller
@SLOKev6:
SLOKev6, Please forgive my mix-up in names in the above post directed at Hatiana4Obama. I am a 72 year old man and my eyesight is not what it once was.
I am deeply touched and moved by your letter to President-Elec Obama, especially since it came from the heart and mind of a heterosexual married male with two children.
That you contributed so heavily to Mr. Obama’s campaign despite not being rich says a great deal about you and your desire to see an America that is free of bigotry, hatred and discrimination.
Thank you for sharing your letter to the President-Elect and your showing of support for the LGBT community. It means a lot to all of us.
You are to be congratulated, Sir, and have my deepest respect and admiration.
May you and our family enjoy a very Happy Holiday Season and a New Year filled with love, health and happiness.
Charles J. Mueller
@Charles J. Mueller:
And my sincerely apologies to you Hatiana4Obama for addressing you incorrectly.
My best wishes to you also for a very Happy Holiday Season and a love, health, happiness filled New Year.
Richard Kaplan
Can’t we enjoy being gay without the scrutiny of national attention.I mean really would it be as much fun being gay if everything we did was legitimate and there were no longer any taboos left to be violated.
Robert, NYC
If Obama were truly and genuinely interested in our equality, he should have chosen Rev. Joseph Lowery as the primary officiant. So much for inclusiveness. Instead, he chose bigotry over decency, speaks volumes about the company he keeps even though he claims he doesn’t agree with everything Warren and his ilk say. I wonder how Jews or African Americans would have reacted if he’d picked a former KKK member cum preacher or anti-semite such as Fred Phelps? Of course, he would never have done that. Once again, we’re thrown under the bus for convenience’ sake, we are indeed the last bastion of legal discrimination emanating from cultist (religious) traditions of which Obama and others are a part and promote. He’s not about change, its people like him who are the problem, who have no guts to take a stand and go the extra mile. He’s no Dennis Kucinich, no Russ Feingold, no Nancy Pelosi, three prominent democrats who publicly declared their support of same-sex marriage. Obama is a coward, just like the Clintons who prefer to kowtow to the religious cultist base than stand by us. I regret spending a lot of my hard earned money on Obama’s campaign and regret that I pulled the lever to elect him. NO MORE! Back to the Greens for me, the party of full equality.
chuck
@Richard Kaplan:
How’s the air quality in your closet?
Denton Ellis
I find this all too confusing.I am going to take a couple of valiums and forget all about it.
Robert, NYC
SLOKEv6, thank you so much for your beautiful letter to Obama and thank you and your family for your support of the LGBT community. It is deeply appreciated. Wishing you much love, health and happiness this holiday season and in the coming years.
Robert
Michael W.
@Charles J. Mueller: “They didn’t just have their civil-rights ripped away from them.
We did.”
Because there’s absolutely NO homosexual Jewish people, right Chucky?
Note to Chucky Mueller: the gay community consists of more than drunken Irishmen.
MadProfessah
@Robert
Actually Obama did pick Rev Lowery as the chief officiant. Warren is doing the Invocation but Lowery is doing the Benediction. It’s my understanding the latter is considered more important.
There are no (out) homosexuals or Jews in Obama’s cabinet, by the way.
Whoever said that Obama didn’t promise the LGBT community anything needs to look up some old blog posts from 2007 and early 2008.
EVERY DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE endorsed
1) Employment Non-Discrimination Act (Obama endorsed trans-inclusive version)
2) Mathew Sheppard Hate Crimes Act
3) Permanent Partners Immigration Act
4) Early Treatment for HIV Act
5) Repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
6) Repealing Defense of Marriage Act
So don’t tell me that there was no difference between voting for Obama or McCain. That’s some stupid sh*t you are selling!
Nick
@SLOKev6:
Thank you! Great letter and it’s very nice to know that our community is truly diverse 😉
You’re kids are lucky to have such a groovy dad.
Nick
oops your not you’re fuck I hate that
Robert, NYC
@MadProfessah:
MadProfessah, I’m well aware that most democrats support all six measures you stated, so I don’t need any instruction thank you very much. What the Democrats “promise” to do (which they haven’t)is one thing, what they actually do quite another. You can bet that DADT will NOT be repealed before 2012. The only piece of legislation that may succeed is ENDA. During recessions/depressions/economic decline….church attendance rises…..we can expect more oppression from the religious cultists of every persuasion, make no mistake about that.
Another thing, in a secular society in which there is supposed to be separation of church and state (most evangelical cultists don’t believe there is)….why is a religious invocation or benediction necessary? I don’t know of any other western democracy that does this when a new leader is elected. Its absurd! Makes you wonder how Christmas day became a federal holiday, recognizing one cult over all others.
Mister C
I really hate to say this. It may offend some and others may understand.
But it is really sickening to hear how some folks on here and mostly Caucasian is really “lambasting” Obama it keeps bringing me back to the primaries whereas a lot of you were cleaning Hillary’s panty liner and calling him every name in the book along with racial epithets. Then when the reality hit that this Man was about to win. Some of you got on board and felt like well we have no choice. When actually you did.
Now it’s like well I voted for you now give me EVERYTHING. Did Bill give you everything HELL NO. But you all still love him and Hillary regardless! It’s very strange for me NOT to think that race does not play a part in your attitude about your demands to P.E Obama. Remember after Prop 8 it was us (Blacks) that took away your rights, Remember statements as such “I voted Obama and this is what you (Blacks) have done to me” VERY SAD.
I was definitely nerved at the option of Rick Warren as well. But it’s only a prayer. He is not swearing Obama in. And alot of you are meantioning Rev Lowery like he’s our MAN. How many of you have given to the SCLC? Now if some of you would protest our Gay Civil Rights organizations with these feelings as such when it comes to RACISM in our community then it would mean something to me. Because we’re not 1 only when it benefits a certain group.
But something tells me folks like things on a separatist basis. So if we cannot “really” get along why should these benefits come to the need of “some†in our community?
Just asking…
Remember,We cannot be at PEACE with others until we are at PEACE with ourselves AND WE’RE NOT!
Robert, NYC
@Mister C:
Mr. C….I didn’t like either Obama or Clinton. The only reason I voted for Obama was purely to get the republicans out of office, nothing more. No democratic president is going to get us what we want, not everything. Marriage equality definitely will NOT be one of them and that was made clear during his campaign. Let me ask you, how would you feel had Obama selected a racist or an anti-semite for the invocation? Do you really think that African Americans and Jews would let this go if they were to accept your premise that all Warren is doing is saying a prayer? Be careful when you paint every LGBT person with the same brush. I will tell you one thing though….if DADT isn’t repealed before 2012, Obama and every democrat can no longer take our votes for granted. We’re tired of being dumped on and have the rug pulled from under as at the last minute. We’re still the last bastion of legal discrimination, something which Warren is for along with a lot of republicans and some democrats. We would be naive to think otherwise. I see absolutely no reason why there has to be a religious component at an inauguration if we’re truly a secular state. I don’t know of any other western country that does this and why is it so necessary? None of us would be having this discussion if religion were left out of the equation altogether and more importantly, out of politics and confined to two places where it belongs, the home and the places of worship. In addition, a candidate’s religious beliefs should not be part of the criteria for running for public office, period. It is irrelevant and unnecessary and offensive to those who don’t believe in any cultist belief system.
Mister C
Robert NYC
I don’t paint ecery person with the same brush. But being that I am 42 and orginally born and raised in NYC…..NOT AN IMPORT if
Mister C
Robert NYC
I don’t paint every person with the same brush. But being that I am 42 and orginally born and raised in NYC NOT AN IMPORT if I may add to that. Discrimination in THIS COMMUNITY is nothing new and it still exist and I don’t hear or see many white LGBT’S speaking about it on here so if it happens and you know it and choose to ignore than you are a part of the problem and not the solution.
I don’t recall ever seeing any LGBT group fighting for African Americans, or ever speaking out on their behalf. Whenever a white LGBT person is killed it was known to make headlines…….(Matthew Shepherd,etc).
But if the person is other not much is given and once again that is a fact! And if Obama would have had put a KKK, or anti-semite up there yeah we would make our voices known. But all of this I’m tired and I’m fed up and he hasn’t made it into office is ridiculous. If this was Hillary Clinton. Some of you would be mad about and still would have paid it no mind and continue to love her IN SPITE OF. But now he’s not totally a caucasian person so it’s now like your ass is gone in 2012 or some would hope.
When you find a President who will sacrifice everything for this community you let me know. I don’t knw any regardless of party affiliation. The reality of it all is this unfortunately things take time to persuade the minds of people who oppose you and we ALL must work hard to achieve this and understand it all. Do you really think African Americans have arrived? There are few across this country who LOST their jobs because this Man won this election. And when you are employed in a “RIGHT TO WORK/AT WILL” State no reason has to be given. I know this happen for a fact. How many White LGBT’s or heterosexuals lost their job due to an Obama victory more than likely ZERO the key factor is simple YOUR WHITE.
I’m not telling anyone here to not be mad and voice their anger about Rick Warren I feel the same as everyone else nor am I calling every caucasian LGBT a racist neither. I’m happily partnered to one :). But the deal is this invocation has always been a part of the ceremony and will never change. He is not in the cabinet and will not be an advisor to him. But to write him (Obama)off before he got there. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM I still think some but not all folks anger is in embedded in race.
At this point I still say it needs to be a wait and see attitude and if he has done the community totally wrong in 4 years then I can see all the seething anger and would not support him further.
Robert, NYC
@Mister C:
“How many White LGBT’s or heterosexuals lost their job due to an Obama victory more than likely ZERO the key factor is simple YOUR WHITE.”
Conversely, seems like you have a bit of a problem with race….I don’t really care who you’re partnered with either.
As for a democrat not sticking his or her neck out for African American LGBT people and every other non-black LGBT person on the marriage equality issue for example, I can think of TWO that come to mind that you conveniently ignore. Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel!! They spoke for all LGBT people of every race and creed and they lost because of it! I could care less if Obama were black or white, actually he’s half white last time I checked. You can act as an apologist all you want, it was wrong, dead wrong.
What is the significance of your telling the rest of us that you’re born and raised in NYC, not an import, what are you implying exactly? Quite frankly, who cares?
Billie
This is not just about marriage equality, this is about basic respect. Rick Warren equates LGBT with pedophilia, and incest. He opposes women leaving their husbands because of marital abuse, he believes a non-believer should not be elected president.
Every time your PE Obama shows what a hypocrite and phony he is you drag out the racist card or bring up Hillary. That is not the point, blockhead Obamaphiles.
Obama’s actions are in direct contradiction to his message during the primaries. At that time he was for hope and change, allegedly a new deal for Americans, although he demonstrated on FISA that he would not stick to a principled stand on an important subject. He pretended to be inclusive. He’s just another lying politician who has discarded his supporters for greener pastures.
Hey black Obama-lovin’ apologists. You will soon see the the view from under the bus.