He’s been invited, but Barack Obama doesn’t have any firm plans to attend the National Equality March on Oct. 11. But on Oct. 10? At HRC’s annual dinner? He’ll be there.
Say what?
Obama and HRC have a long history together — particularly for a man who’s been in office so briefly.
HRC chief Joe Solmonese boasts about having the White House’s ear, which has led him to treacherous territory before. He’s made demands of Obama one moment, while falling into bed with him and his lack of action the next. You can expect much of the same on Saturday night: Obama will cheer us on, re-up his support for our civil rights, but make no firm declaration about legislation that matters most to us.
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But how else to show he’s a fierce advocate than by attending HRC’s fancy gala Saturday night and addressing the crowd? Ben Smith reports “organizers wouldn’t discuss the details of Obama’s planned speech, but gay groups don’t seem to expect a major announcement, but rather an incremental one. Obama could give a date for signing hate crimes legislation — Matthew Shepard’s mother will be among the speakers — or he could come out against a marriage ban in Maine, which gay leaders have been pressing him to do.”
Obama has set the bar so law in his commitment to gay rights, we’re just surprised he’s showing up. Anything else is gravy.
Thomas Johnson
YAY! Go HRC!
Cam
He is showing up. HRC no doubt promised that no questions would be asked and they would ensure that the audience was told to applaud enthusiasticly no matter what is said. Therefore there won’t be any promises. Merely some platitutes and a few statements like “And if we work together, one day things will be different then they are now.” with no specifics.
Wayne
Sadly, this is all about Joe Solmonese trying to throw some cover to Obama despite Obama’s absolute failure to commit to accomplishing any of his promises to the LGBT community. Obama wants to hang with the Black-tie and cocktails set, while the grass roots movement of LGBT people will be marching to demand equality at the NEM. That does not interest Obama. His silence on the matter has been deafening. No Surprise. But at the very least, his appearance at HRC right before the march, shows that in some way or another he has begun to feel the heat from many LGBT people who feel betrayed (and have been letting their elective leaders know just how unhappy they are).
This is just another attempt at damage control.
Fitz
Well, it is already the HRC- so it’s somewhere between a group rim job and preaching to the choir. I am sure he will put on a good performance. He is good at saying things.
wondermann
Be happy that he is speaking to HRC and be patient. We don’t know what he’s going to say. So wait until he has spoken. Good grief.
Fitz
@wondermann:
FUCK patience.
InExile
Just another stall tactic AGAIN! He will be vague just like he was during the primary, a trend that he has continued mixed with silence on our issues since he was sworn in. I expect just more talk with no action and no concrete promises. Prior to the election “he” was the change which turned into “you” are the change after.
Maybe someone will ask him why he removed the repeal of DOMA from his website. I know, wishful thinking, they will all clap with admiration that he even bothered to address the gays. Disgusting.
Mike
Fuck patience. The Democrats have totally fucked things up for themselves and they will lose solid control of the gov’t during the midterms. The time for actions and Obama’s support is NOW. They have caved on Healthcare. They have funded abstinence-only education to the tune of 50 million. They haven’t done anything for the environment.
Fuck patience. Fuck the Obama apologists. Fuck the Democrats. It’s time to demand action NOW!
Cam
@No. 5 · wondermann
You said ….
Be happy that he is speaking to HRC and be patient.
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Why would I be happy that he is speaking to HRC? HRC has done nothing but interfere in Marriage cases for years and now try to give cover to a president that isn’t moving on any of our issues. I think it says a lot that when the group was formed they specifically left gay, lesbian etc…. out of their name. I recently had the wife of a straight friend tell me, when I questioned HRC’s wasting their time partnering to assist Planned Parenthood with something..”Well why shouldn’t they?” I said because overall birth control wasn’t a gay issue and Planned Parenthood was huge, many times the size of HRC” and she said “Well it isn’t called the gay rights campaign, it’s called the “Human rights Campaign” so why would I think they would be focused on gay rights? I turned to the other gay people at the table and said “She doesn’t know it but she just said a mouthful.”
Cam
In case you haven’t seen it, SNL kind of nailed it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZFBozWg8E
Jon
More pandering from our “fierce advocate” to an audience who will lap up the fundraising rhetoric for another 20 years.
adamblast
As another poster said elsewhere, he’s coming to another black tie fundraiser to offer his favorite dessert–Pie in the Sky.
ATLguy
Wow, curious how many of the critical folks on here, or elsewhere, have met with or can name your elected officials? Lots of folks happy complaining, but few are willing to do something. Wish some of this energy was directed at the opposition. Someday, our community is going to need to figure out a way to be more constructive in directing their efforts.
Cam
@No. 13 · ATLguy
Wow, curious how many of the critical folks on here, or elsewhere, have met with or can name your elected officials? Lots of folks happy complaining, but few are willing to do something. Wish some of this energy was directed at the opposition.
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Really? Funny, I went to fundraisers for Obama, have in the past been to events in DC held by HRC, I am politically active, know all my reps etc…. What I wonder is, why would you assume that our complaints come from being uninformed? Did it ever occure to you that the fact that we are well informed and see what is going on is WHY we are complaining?
And just who is our opposition? HRC directly tried to interfere with the Marriage cases in MA., and other states. For years they have said not to worry about things like DADT and Marriage, but they would take care of ENDA, something that the majority of the country supports, yet for 10 years they haven’t even been able to move THAT, Obama has said specifically he believes Marriage is between a man and woman, yet promised that DOMA and DADT would be taken care of. There are now solid majorities in both houses and the Pentagon Publication, put out by the military and overseen by the Joint Cheifs has even said that DADT is a worthless policy that there was no proof in the contention that gays were bad for unit coheasion, and yet silence from the White House and Congress on that bombshell….so again, tell me just who is on our side and who is the opposition?
AlwaysGay
People at the dinner need to press him on marriage in Maine. Ask him about marriage equality in Maine. Don’t let him go until he gives an answer.
Vote NO on Question 1 in Maine.
http://tinyurl.com/l4hru8
alicia banks
what???
why???
who chose him???
so he can tell more lies or ignore more of his betrayals and broken promises in gay faces???
this is akin to inviting rish limbaugh to a naacp dinner
or
don imus to a black hair show!!!
4 what???
shame!!!
alicia banks
OUTLOOK
InExile
This man has shown 0 yes ZERO LEADERSHIP on our issues and everything else quite frankly. I am surprised he has the audacity to show his face in a room full of equality supporters. What a disappointment this man has been!
SFGuy
Myth: HRC no doubt promised that no questions would be asked.
Truth: It’s a keynote address, not a question and answer period.
Myth: HRC will ensure that the audience applaud enthusiasticly no matter what is said.
Truth: With 3,200 people in the audience…enough said.
Myth: Obama could give a date for signing hate crimes legislation.
Truth: Obama said he wants to sign the Matthew Shepard Act. Congress has to get the legislation on his desk. Congress writes the bills. The President signs the bills.
Myth: “And if we work together, one day things will be different then they are now.” with no specifics.
Truth: “And if we work together, one day things will be different then they are now.” with specifics. Our community is much to blame for our own inaction and complacency. The right-wing consistently outnumber us in calling, mailing, emailing, visiting their elected representatives than members of the LGBT community. Even when organizations provide phone numbers, form letters, etc., to make it easy for people to contact their Congressmembers, a majority of people couldn’t be bothered to lift a finger.
Myth: HRC has done nothing but interfere in Marriage cases for years.
Truth: If HRC didn’t defeat the Federal Marriage Amendment three times during a Republican Presidency and Congress, the states wouldn’t even be talking marriage now. HRC has helped numerous states in winning marriage, domestic partnerships, and civil unions. New Hampshire’s Freedom to Marry Coalition, who will have marriage equality on January 1st, said it wouldn’t have been possible without HRC’s involvement.
Myth: “He could come out against a marriage ban in Maine, which gay leaders have been pressing him to do.”
Truth: He could do a lot of things, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he should. Obama is taking a beating on every front. His political capital is eroding because of a fractured Democratic party, and especially because of Blue Dog Democrats. Congress can’t even get legislation passed. There is no filibuster-proof Senate. That’s the political reality. To expect the President to endorse, rally, voice his support for every important matter to everyone of his constituents, is political suicide. The Olympics bid is a good case in point. Just because he voices his support, doesn’t necessarily mean it will go his way, which ultimately weakens him more and more. Until Congress has the votes and they take action, I’m not sure why the President is being single-handedly blamed for all our woes.
OhYeah
Obama had to do SOMETHING with the Equallity March on DC this weekend, but this is really lame, just giving a speech to a bunch of his Barney Frank-style ass-kissers.
Fitz
Obama is being singled out for a few good reasons, and a few dumb ones. I live in CA, and before the election, we got robo-calls featuring Obama’s voice telling us that he feels “marriage is between a man in a woman…. because G_d is in the mix”. Of course we knew that his voice was used without endorsement– but he did nothing to decry it. He helped pass Prop 8 though allowing this. He usurped the progressive allies that we have. In the middle of 2.5 wars, he won’t even issue a stop-loss order for the military. (and, yes… he does have the authority to do that). For as long as I have been voting in this country, (some 27 years) the democrats have been using the tired “we are better for you than the GOP”, and it has gotten stupid. I don’t think anyone reasonable expected him to fix the woes of our world- but he has been useless and taken us for granted.
And the point about political capital is ABSURD. No one has had more energy behind them than this guy.. the erosion of support comes from him putting us off and trying to punt to the right. I have never seen people more hopeful and energized than during his campaign, and seldom seen such burn-out, anger, and hurt.
Chitown Kev
(sigh!)
for both Obama and his gay enablers at HRC.
SteamPunk
Even if President Obama speaks up, there will be practically no major news outlet covering it – aside from gay websites and liberal blogs. Yes, he’s speaking to the choir.
Why don’t we demand major news outlets cover the speech? It seems that the most important thing he can do, other than overturn the hideous Federal acts, is speak up for us publicly. He’s doing that, but the gay media is just letting the opportunity to use the most powerful figure in the country as a mascot slip by us.
B
Fitz said, “Obama is being singled out for a few good reasons, and a few dumb ones. I live in CA, and before the election, we got robo-calls featuring Obama’s voice telling us that he feels “marriage is between a man in a woman…. because G_d is in the mix”. Of course we knew that his voice was used without endorsement– but he did nothing to decry it.”
This happened a week or so before the election – the “Yes on Eight” liars took Obama’s statements out of context and pretended that he favored Proposition Eight when in fact he opposed it publicly. At that point, Obama’s campaign was up to its eyeballs in trying to make sure that “swing states” would swing in the right direction, and there was simply no time for a distraction. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Yes on Eight lies were a Republican dirty trick designed to try to bait Obama into turning the election into a vote on same-sex marriage that would not go in his favor in the more socially conservative states where he had to win in order to win the election.
Jon
can you say “Obamapologist”?
B
Jon wrote, “can you say “Obamapologist”?” Can you say political realist?
Jon
@B: can you say oxymoron?
aaron
All the HRC does is fundraise to support the salaries of a few high priced hookers, Solomonese among them.
schlukitz
Obama has set the bar so law in his commitment to gay rights, we’re just surprised he’s showing up.
Um…shouldn’t that read “Obama set the bar so low in his commitment to gay rights, we’re just surprised he’s showing up.”
Swimmer - Chicago
Sorry – Obama owes us more than some nice dinner speech….He should be at the march on Sunday. I love Obama but he has sure let me down.
B
Jon wrote, “@B: can you say oxymoron?” It costs over 1 billion dollars to run a presidential election. Do you think anyone spending that sort of money is going to risk throwing it down the tube by not keeping his/her eye on the ball during the last week of the campaign? If you think that is plausible, I have a bridge for sale, a bargain at half the price.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/23/barack-obama-john-mccain-fundraising
Welcome to the real world in all its disgusting glory.
Chitown Kev
Wow. All of this sounds so…familiar…
You’d be surprised by how LITTLE I had to change in this portion of a speech given…awhile ago.
“Let us examine briefly some of the tricky strategy used by liberals to harness and exploit the political energies of the gays. The crooked politicians in Washington, D.C., purposely make a big noise over the proposed civil rights legislation. By blowing up the civil rights issue they skillfully add false importance to the gay civil rights “leaders.” Once the image of these gay civil rights “leaders” has been blown up way beyond its proper proportion, these same gay civil rights “leaders” are then used by liberals to influence and control the gay voters, all for the benefit of the politicians who pose as liberals, who pose as friends of the gays.
The conservatives aren’t friends of the gays either, but they at least don’t try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the gays always aware of where he stands with them. But the liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the gays but pretend that they are smiling. The liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the gays, and as the gays run from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox.
The job of the gay civil rights leader is to make the gays forget that the wolf and the fox both belong to the (same) family. Both are canines; and no matter which one of them the gays places his trust in, he never ends up in the White House, but always in the dog house.
The liberals control the gays and the gay vote by controlling the gay civil rights leaders. As long as they control the gay civil rights leaders, they can also control and contain the gay’s struggle, and they can control the gay’s so-called revolt. The gay “revolution” is controlled by these foxy liberals, by the government itself.”
Boy, I’m gonna get in trouble for this…
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
Red, red wine?
Wild Gift
More words. Words are not action!
Sapphocrat
I know what he’ll promise: invisible ponies for all!
P.S. to CAM: Thanks for the SNL vid link: It says it all (even though the actor, whoever he is, is a horrible BO impressionist — hell, I can do better!). Totally spot-on… unfortunately.
@Me
So, is the March cancelled. I know 400,000 people are coming, but Obama is back. We don’t need to march, do we?
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
Omigosh, Obama stepped down as President because he is so unpopular with Democrats and can’t possibly win a second term without GAY Money or Hollywood support? No really, the March is still revved to Go Go GO!
Get on the Bus, not under it!
naghanenu
Im sorry to say but you people whine a lot…too much.
The problem is not Obama and his support or lack thereof,…the problem is he represents a large majority of the ‘so called gay rights activists’ ive met.
Sure such people ‘sympathise’ with you, hell they even cry when they see a ‘Matthew Shepard special’. They want DADT repealed, they want you to be able to adopt kids and to get the same rights as married people but guess what when it comes to taking a stand ….they almost always run behind conservatives and call your ‘lifestyle’ disgusting and redeemable..praise Jesus!
This is the harsh reality folks. These are the people you should also avoid. At least the anti gay people are upfront about it. There is nothing scarier than the anti gay but gay loving straight person…those are the ones that made Prop 8 HAPPEN
HelenofPeel
Obama has been a huge disappointment for me. He basically “folds” his hand, even though he is holding all the cards, at the slightest sign of displeasure from the opposition.
His need to be liked by all is his Achilles’ heel. He will fold like a cheap card trick when under pressure. With his need to be liked and accepted, bluffing him is easy, even when he’s holding all the cards.
Bill Perdue
This is more important than the Easter egg roll and the medals and even his statement that that he’ll defend us fiercely all rolled up together.
Or, it’s just more patronizing bs from Democrats who seem to think that an occasional speech will make up for our two year experience with Obama the Bigot in Chief and his refusal to take the lead in repealing DADT and DOMA because, doncha just know it, there’s another election in a year, and then in three years, and then again… Democrats have opposed the MoW since it’s inception because they know that whatever else it might be, it’ll be an anti-Obama rally, and a big one.
The reaction to Obama’s announcement proves that you can fool some of the people all the time. We call them Democrats and Republicans.
We need a constitutional amendment tying our whole agenda together and the guts to insist that the Democrats support it or quit pretending. And if not we need a nationwide Rainbow Party, a left wing LGBT party that can help other victims of the Democrat swamp come out into the daylight, out of their closets and into the clean air and light of political independence.
Robert, NYC
Expect NOTHING before 2012, absolutely NOTHING. Conveniently for Obama and the democrats the economy and health care reform take precedence. Delay = failure. Do any of us really believe DADT will be repealed before he leaves the White House in 2012? I don’t. We have the wrong people leading us, apologists and ass-kissing grovelers. Time for a new direction, find a national gay leader, unite all LGBT organizations under one umbrella and go for the jugular. No more political correctness. Garner the support of unions and straight progressive allies and demand the change he’s never delivered on or else, kiss our votes goodbye. Never let them take us for granted any more. Time for the gloves to come off.
Josh
Please explain why any of this is important? We (LGBT) have zero chance of getting anything past the Senate. 75% of our Senators are very clearly against us. That makes all this b.s. a huge waste of time and money.
Cam
No. 18 · SFGuy said …..
Myth: HRC no doubt promised that no questions would be asked.
Truth: It’s a keynote address, not a question and answer period.
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That isn’t a myth, I said “No doubt HRC promised him that there would be no questions…i.e. the only way he would show up was if he didn’t have to answer any.
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Myth: Obama could give a date for signing hate crimes legislation.
Truth: Obama said he wants to sign the Matthew Shepard Act. Congress has to get the legislation on his desk. Congress writes the bills. The President signs the bills.
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You mean the legislation that punishes people for crimes that they would already have been punished for? The legislation that HRC has spent ten years working on, all the while preventing and avoiding working on legislation that would actually change the lives of gays in this country? So a law that will make no difference (i.e. somebody murders a lesbian, they go to jail with or without the Matthew Sheppard Act.) and for that they have stalled and stymied DOMA and DADT which are federal discriminatory laws that force gays to be second class citizens.
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Myth: “And if we work together, one day things will be different then they are now.” with no specifics.
Truth: “And if we work together, one day things will be different then they are now.” with specifics……..
So it is our fault that we are discriminated against, I guess that in the Middle East it is the fault of women that they can’t drive or leave the house alone without being beaten by the religeous police. Those damn lazy women, how DARE they force people to discriminate against them!
We can work hard against the Right Wing…then again, people filed cases years ago to fight for Marriage and hear came HRC asking them to drop the cases…so how exactly do we fight against our own organizations? Additionally,
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HRC has helped numerous states in winning marriage, domestic partnerships, and civil unions.
Really? They bitched about the earelier cases, making noises that pushing like that would hurt gay rights, they were obviously wrong in MA. only after it became clear to them that this is the way the issues and gay folks opinions were coming down did they change. the Baehr v. Miike (originally entitled Baehr v. Lewin) case in Hawaii, they didn’t help those plaintiff’s, or the plaintiff’s in the MA. case which gave us our first state with gay marraige. They’ve always been about ENDA and Hate Crimes, even though they are a federal lobbying group and we have two federal laws on the books DOMA and DADT. Even then when ENDA came out they wanted to throw the Transgenders under the bus because just like before, we shouldn’t be pushy gays, and should sit quietly and wait to be handed our rights…with the transgendered, they were afraid that straights would go “Ick” so they knocked them out of the bill. The community split and the bill went down the toilet. Better to push a full bill and fail nobly then to piss of your constituency because of your need to be liked by everybody and fail through complete disorganization. HRC is terrified of doing anything to make their lives less comfortable, and with Solomase making nearly $300,000 a year I guess I can understand him not wanting to rock the boat.
Josh
I think this means we’re supposed to give HRC some more money. We’ve already given HRC +$300 million, but our “equality” costs at least $500 million. Just another $200 million and we’ll keep “working on it.” Thanks Joe.
HRC in 2020: Well, sorry to inform you, but the price for equality has jumped up to $700 million. Send more money and we’ll keep “working on it.”
In 29 years of HRC there has been very little change in the will of the Congress. About 70% are still strongly against us. Money will never change that – only we can do that by electing less-religious politicians.
Cam
No. 44 · Josh
I think this means we’re supposed to give HRC some more money. We’ve already given HRC +$300 million, but our “equality” costs at least $500 million. Just another $200 million and we’ll keep “working on it.” Thanks Joe.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
schlukitz
@ No. 43: Cam.
Solmonese, who ranked second in the salary survey, received a total compensation package of $338,400 in 2008.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2009/03/blade-reveals-salaries-for-heads-of.html
Earthlingdave
That’s it, Queerty, continue to villify the most pro-gay president in the history of the country.
I’m not saying be patient, as one should not have to wait for equality, but patience or not, it’s still a process. I will give him one term to start to make significant progress on gay issues, but I refuse to demonize him after less than one year in office. We shall see, and then we can vote accordingly.
Daniel
I say they have until January 2010 after which the gay community sits out of the 2010 elections – i.e. provides no volunteers, no donations, and no votes. Remember this is a congress of politicians who have passed anti-gay legislation into law repeatedly (they reauthorized the anti-gay Solomon Amendment with the Democrats in control). It is not some neutral body. It is a body that has pro-actively violated the human rights of millions of Americans.
Brian
The gay inactivists and Obama love to wine and dine each other, praise each other. The HRC is enamored both with Obama and their own Washington celebrity. PUT DOWN THE WINE GLASSES and start making demands of democratic politicians. Democrats created DOMA and DADT and won’t repeal them — a simple, easy thing to do. They won’t protect gay vets or do anything else, because the all of the gay elites don’t demand them to. These lazy elitists love their insider status, and have been thoroughly blinded by it thinking they are “working with the president.” SOBER UP.
Mr. President, if you and your democratic friends don’t repeal DOMA and DADT by next year’s elections, all the gays are going to STAY HOME.
Cam
No. 47 ·Earthlingdave said…
That’s it, Queerty, continue to villify the most pro-gay president in the history of the country.
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I don’t have any proof that he is pro-gay. If I see 2 young children kicking and tortoring a yelping puppy and I walk right on by because “I’ve got too much on my plate”, I can say all I want that I’m against kicking dogs…but actions speak louder than words and my actions just said, “I can’t be bothered to stop people from kicking puppies.”
Brian
Politicians only make money when there is “disagreement.” No disagreement, no money. If the solve the LGBT issue, where will they get money? They have an incentive to keep the disagreement going – as long as possible.
The LGBT Community versus the Religious crowd raises a lot of money. Therefore, politicians won’t solve it. Every contribution we make to fight “politically” is wasted.
Our battle should be about changing minds – one-on-one, with our friends, neighbors, co-workers and anyone else that will listen. That’s the only thing that will work. Having faith in politics is no match for having faith in our fellow citizens.
Instead of giving HRC another $100, take some friends to dinner and spread the word – “we’re Not Wrong.” We can trust other human beings much more than politicians.
alicia banks
shame!!!
Like millions of other wise gays who refuse to be political doormats for Obama, I am absolutely appalled that the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) has chosen to invite him to tell homosexuals more lies. It is akin to inviting Don Imus to speak at a black hair show. It is as painfully awkward as inviting Tony Dungy to speak at a PFLAG convention. It is as senseless as inviting Donnie McClurkin to host one of his suicidal “workshops”, which teach gay men to be abusive down-low adulterers, to speak at a Black Gay Pride rally. It is as vulgar as choosing Rick Warren to pastor a gay wedding.
see:
OPEN LETTER TO EARL OFARI HUTCHINSON:
OBAMA IS A FRENEMY TO GAYS – PRETENDING THAT HE IS A “FRIEND” IS MASOCHISTIC, ARROGANTLY IGNORANT, AND JUST PLAIN POLITICALLY SUICIDAL!
at
OUTLOOK
schlukitz
@ Brian, Cam and Alicia:
Co-sign! Perfect analogies.
When we blow-off all of the superfluous, excess bullshit, rhetoric and verbiage, what we are left with is what is actually coming down.
And if we are incapable of understanding or acknowledging those facts, then we are no better than the classic three monkeys.
Hear no evil. See no evil. Speak no evil.
Doh!
schlukitz
@Alicia Post No. 52:
Umm…While I am, for the most part, in agreement with you about Obama being a possible wolf in sheep’s clothing with respect to the LGBT community, What does an “Open Letter to Earl Ofari Hutchinson” have to do with the speech Mr. Obama will give before the HRC tonight?
QL Dallas
If you want real results you need to get in their faces and make demands. We are not letting Obama off the hook. Tonight we will get what we came to DC for – our Rights.
To all of you that think we can “negotiate” our rights – grow some balls. We’re not asking for anything, or even discussing it – WE DEMAND. WE WIN.
alicia banks
54:
read the letter
it actually LISTS every political pimp slap upon gays by obama…to date
including this HRC fiasco
fyi
alicia banks
eloquent fury