Neil Young has made national headlines since he decided last week to pull his music from Spotify. The move was prompted by the streamer continually giving podcaster Joe Rogan a platform to spread misinformation about Covid-19, and has led to several other artists following suit.
In the midst of the fallout, an old interview has resurfaced in which the famed musician used homophobic language while crassly discussing the HIV/AIDS epidemic.
In an interview with Melody Maker in 1985, Young said, “You go to a supermarket, and you see a f—ggot behind the f—kin’ cash register; you don’t want him to handle your potatoes.”
The quote is only slightly better with the full context, which many critics are leaving out of the discussion. Still, none of it ages well.
“It’s true!” Young continued. “It’s paranoid but that’s the way it is–even though it’s not just gay people, they’re taking the rap. There’s a lotta religious people, of course, who feel that this is God’s work. God’s saying, y’know, no more buttf*cking or we’re gonna getcha. I don’t know what it is. It’s natural, that’s one thing about it. It’s a living organism or virus, whatever it is. I hope they find something to stop it. It’s worse than the Killer Bees.”
The comments have sparked a whole new debate online, with supporters arguing Young has clearly evolved in the 37 years since the interview.
“Attitudes change,” wrote one commenter. “The country was WAY different in the 80’s. People were led to believe that AIDS was a gay disease. And, our elected leaders and mass media echoed that message. Gay men were seen as pariahs.
“I am a gay man who has lived through the 80’s and can say that he probably said this out of ignorance, an ignorance that was prevalent at the time.”
“1985 was a long time ago,” wrote another. “I’m guessing he has more info now, and has learned better. Plus, at that time, many folks still thought you could get HIV from someone through touch (and other now proven to be falsehoods).”
Others weren’t so quick to brush it off. “It wasn’t ‘mainstream’ to call people ‘f’ words in interviews in the 80’s,” argued another commenter. “Musicians didn’t talk like that. SOME comedians did but never to make fun of AIDS and people dying. What Young said was considered totally f*cked up even back then.”
“He was 40 years old at the time he made that comment, and hasn’t apologized for it since,” another wrote.
Young’s song “Philadelphia” — from the 1993 Jonathan Demme film of the same title that tells the story of how a lawyer fired for having AIDS attempts to vindicate himself in court — received an Academy Award nomination and Young performed the song during the Oscars ceremony in 1994.
In his 2002 biography of Neil Young, Shakey, Jimmy McDonough writes “I had found out that Young was planning on donating the proceeds from the ‘Philadelphia’ track to the Gay Men’s Health Crisis center. He acknowledged it was true but didn’t seem anxious to publicize the fact. I got the feeling there were other chartable acts I didn’t know about. ‘I’m not trying to score any social points,’ he said.”
Bosch
We have people right here on Queerty calling us “phags” in 2022. That seems like a bigger problem.
Kangol2
Yep and Queerty lets those slurs, which are clearly not affirming, repurposed uses of such words, stand, but then this site has also let people post the n-word without any editorial input, so are you surprised?
Ronbo
There is a good chance that the person using hateful, disrespectful language came here because of a childish attitude, fear or hate. I’m not sure if love is going to heal them; but, I’m certain that generating more hate isn’t going to turn them.
Remember that the majority of the pubic didn’t support our marriage equality when we burst past the censors that were keeping us in the closet. The public wasn’t fully on board – and yet we didn’t hate them because they weren’t 100% with us. We gave people the option of joining us… and they did.
Hope springs eternal. Wallowing in fear and hate isn’t the answer.
leo1008
Gay people are facing real enemies and genuine dangers right here in 2022 (both in the USA and also – to a greater extent in many places – around the world). We should welcome allies whenever and wherever we get them. Young’s comments from the 1980s are, at this point in time, inconsequential.
Sometimes there are, indeed, severe injustices that demand apologies years or decades later (in fact, the country as a whole would do well to apologize to all gay people for the initial response to the AIDs epidemic). But Young’s comments do not rise to that level, and we potentially harm ourselves if we seek to ostracize anyone who ever spoke a stray comment. Look at the course of their evolution instead, and judge their life and character development as a whole. People like Young and Sean Penn, in that light, appear to be formidable allies, and as such it would be a foolish example of “cancel culture” to try and punish them.
Young’s comments from the 80s (which he may very well not remember) and Penn’s recent comments (something about men who are now afraid to be masculine?) just aren’t important in the bigger scheme of things. Little annoyances come and go, don’t get distracted by them as the struggle continues.
nunya
“Young’s comments from the 1980s are, at this point in time, inconsequential.“ Bet if he was someone you didn’t like you wouldn’t be so charitable.
Prax07
So Young said something not great 40 years ago. At least he wasn’t pushing conspiracy theories or outright lies where not smart people listening and taking it as truth could get themselves or others close to them sick or killed. Rogan and those doing what he does should be deplatformed, demonetized, and shown modern intelligent society won’t tolerate it.
Ronbo
Some here aren’t old enough to remember that censorship kept the LGBTQ community quietly in the closet. Now they are hugging the exact same ignorance.
Please quote Rogan, not your fears and anxiety. Remember, he did 12+ interviews with people promoting vaccines AND he admitted that he was wrong – seeking out actual facts in the SAME interview.
I’m not certain; but, I think you want to censor him for interviewing people who were cancelled BECAUSE listing the vaccine side-effects. So now we need to be censored because stupid people could misuse factual information?
I suspect that Prax07 has eaten a tide pod or two.
Kangol2
Ronbo, rather than utter vague statements about “censorship” of the LGBTQ community, can you be more specific? Do you mean oppressive mainstream government and private corporate censorship of LGBTQ material, art, etc., that was at times prosecuted over the last several hundred years? Do you mean particular individuals whose voices and work were suppressed? Please be more specific. You do realize that that is quite different from public criticism of a very rich White man, Joe Rogan, who has a national and international platform, via a private Swedish corporation, to spew disinformation, right?
Bosch
@Ronbo ” because stupid people could misuse factual information?”
I saw you call Dr Malone’s statements an ‘inconvenient truth’. Now you call it ‘factual information’. Too lazy to look up his sources?
You’re one of the stupid people you keep describing.
Ronbo
Kangol, you’ve identified the censorship. Now please quote where you insist that Rogan “spew(s) disinformation”.
//crickets//
Interviewing a leading mRNA scientist who was censured for presenting side-effects isn’t exactly spewing misinformation. Side-effects are discussed with all medications and vaccinations. Have you not heard a pharma warning “side effects include death, dizziness, etc,,,?
We truly live in a silly time when we have to put a warning label on tide pods to keep stupid people from eating them.
And please post Rogan’s quotation where he “spews disinformation”. And, please, please stay away from tide pods – you might think they are candy.
Bosch
FFS Ronbo, he MADE UP STATISTICS.
Making things up doesn’t make them true. I don’t understand how you distrust 99.99% of the world’s virologists, and then this one comes along and says exactly what you want to hear so you defend him tooth and nail. Never mind, I understand completely.
ScottOnEarth
There is plenty of homophobia in the present day, so I don’t understand the need to look back almost 40 years about a terrible comment someone made. He has likely evolved quite a bit and the last paragraph in this article speak volumes.
SamB
Finally a bit of research but I still think the writer got most of it through the comments on these stories. Because Young now serves a purpose the comments on here are that he “evolved” and it was “40 years ago”.
When is it ok to forgive and forget and when isn’t it? He was led to believe what he did because what the media was pushing… does this sound familiar?
Bosch
Like how certain media are pushing anti-vaxx conspiracies? Yeah you’re right.
SamB
Bosch: Truly hilarious. Let’s see if we’ll get an article about Joni Mitchell’s blackface.
Bosch
Joni Mitchell dressing as a black man 40 years ago bothers you huh? What about Rogan calling black people “apes” ten years ago? That seems a bit more relevant.
SamB
Bosch: He never said that but you don’t know how to read so I’m not shocked. PLEASE stop arguing a point by deflecting. If the best argument you can make is “Well someone else did too” then it’s not a good argument.
Cam
@SamB
So let’s analyze this. You defend horrifically bigoted Republicans who try to pass laws against LGBTQ people, but you are outraged by something a person who hasn’t attacked us since then said decades ago. Hmmmm
Ohhhh, right! It’s because you support right wing, Anti-LGBTQ people and just troll to defend them.
Ronbo
Cam, be accurate. DADT and DOMA were both pushed passed and signed by Bill Clinton.
Ronbo
To the youngsters out here, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell removed service members rights to the First Amendment and was passed and signed by Clinton. It increased the numbers of GLBTQ service members being thrown out of the military and denied retirement benefits.
The Defense of Marriage Act, was signed by Bill Clinton after years and years of Hillary Clinton saying, “Marriage will always be between one man and one woman”. Hillary later evolved into the position that we are ‘separate but equal’ with domestic partnerships. After the nation moved to our side, Hillary accepted marriage equality right – before her run for the presidency.
Cam
@Ronbo
LOL!!!!! Oh wow, the trolling has gotten SO bad. So let’s see, I posted about Neil young and so the troll switched screenames to come in and rant about Bill CLinton?
Sweetie, not only is your trolling pathetic, but you have the straight/Republican troll obsession with the Clintons.
I know I’ve asked before, but could you please tell your manager at the troll farm to spend the money and hire smarter trolls? You are just embarrassing yourself at this point.
SamB
Ronbo: If I were you I wouldn’t engage with Cam, he is unhinged and has nothing to offer other than name calling. He’ll never “get it”
Ronbo
Ronbo, you stupid, stupid man. If we tell the full truth, youngsters won’t understand that anti-LGBTQ bigotry pervaded all of society – Republicans and (mostly-fake) Democrats.
We broke open the doors with Stonewall-type visability, un-censored truths and building coalitions and alliances with others – AIDS was the common enemy. The cancel culture of attacking people and deliberately making enemies of those who were’nt 100% with us was not the standard.
We kept the enemies list basically to Anita Bryant and Ronald Reagan; with few hateful personal attacks and attempts to ‘cancel’ people and their careers. A cream pie in the face was about as evil as we got – and it worked wonders! As well as did Dan Choi’s visual chaining himself to the fence and sit-in at the House.
Few people come to the defense of bullying and hate. Our community changed the world with love, compassion and accepantance. Many people don’t remember that initially, the population didn’t support marriage equality – and yet we didn’t hate them because they weren’t 100% with us. We gave people the option of joining us… and they did.
Ronbo
Cam, calling names is not how you solve problems. The inconvenient truth is that these two BIG anti-gay laws came from Bill Clinton. It’s not trolling to correct your half-truth misinformation with the EXACT truth – including specific real examples.
Reality is as complex as the people who lived it. Try to think and allow others to think based upon the TRUTH.
Bosch
@Sam YOU are making fun of MY reading comprehension skills? That’s rich.
“He never said that but you don’t know how to read so I’m not shocked. ” It’s literally on video.
Bosch
Also, “PLEASE stop arguing a point by deflecting.” Responding with a contextually relevant fact is “deflecting”?
No honey, deflecting is responding to a Rogan story with “Neil Young is a homophobe and Joni Mitchell is a racist!”
SamB
Bosch: Nope, I responded to a story about Young & Mitchell leaving Spotify because of Rogan and I show you that they’re not people to look up to as leaders in any way. See what I did there? I did not deflect, I stated that they should not be looked at as examples of principled people and provided examples for my view. What I didn’t realize was that 40 years seems to be the official length of time where one’s past actions become irrelevant. That, I did not know.
Bosch
Ok now explain how my reply to your message was “deflecting”.
Just like with the Buttigieg story, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Rogan did something ACTUALLY racist, 30 years more recent than Joni Mitchell dressed as a black man, but that doesn’t bother you because you don’t really hate racism, you just hate liberals.
SamB
Bosch: Deflecting is when you change the subject of the argument. If you were defending yourself from murder charges would you say “Well THAT person killed TWO people!” Would that be a good defense?
Bosch
So when you commented about Joni Mitchell under a Rogan story, and I responded about Joni Mitchell and Rogan, that’s deflection?
In the same thread where you make fun of my reading comprehension…
Bosch
““Well THAT person killed TWO people!” ”
Is literally identical to “well Neil Young is a homophobe and Joni Mitchell is a racist!”
Not only do you suck at understanding what I write, you’re completely unaware of what YOU write.
SamB
Bossch: That’s not how it went down. I originally responded to articles stating Young & Mitchell will be pulling their songs off Spotify by saying that it doesn’t matter because the amount of money he brings in far outweighs what Young & Mitchell brought in. It was only later when people were praising the two singers as leaders and brave and people to be admired that I brought up their past.
Bosch
I just realized, you bringing up Joni Mitchell, after I commented about anti-vaxx conspiracies in the media, is also deflection.
SamB
Bosch: I don’t know what you’re referencing you’d have to show me, and again we’d have to see the whole discussion… maybe I was trying to bring you back into the discussion or maybe I did deflect. Where was this said?
Bosch
I’m so glad everyone gets to read this conversation.
Cam
@Ronbo
Translation: The right wing troll is desperately trying to deflect, why? Easy, because Republicans TODAY are trying to pass laws attacking LGBTQ people.
Sweetie, your troll game, as always, is sad and weak.
Toofie
Echoing what other people are saying here, this faux outrage over some comments 35-40 years ago when we have enemies NOW is ridiculous.
Fname Optional Lname
Oh they could have just typed “This just in………forty years ago”
BEARY FLINTSTONE
Time to move on Queerty. Must be a slow news day
nunya
I’m just here for the clawing and scratching. LOL. You catty queens are hilarious.
Terrycloth
I remember years ago Eric Clapton stood o stage and with hermon running through his body and alcohol filled his brain ,he blasted black Americans using the “N” word repeatedly..since he became sober from booze and drugs he has apologized and has worked with BB King in concert and made an album with him..Robert Cray, ,Keb MO, Natan East his bass player..bottom.line different times. When you know better, you do better