“I would love to use more [black men], but unfortunately, Black models are not that open to appearing in adult gay films. It of course has a lot to do with the rampant homophobia in the African-American community, and models are just scared of being in productions.” —Porn star and producer Michael Lucas, whose movies are more diverse than many, on why they aren’t more diverse. Rod McCullom calls this bullshit.
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Jeremy Feist
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Aw hells no, I am not going anywhere NEAR this one. All I’m gonna say is, it would be nice to see more racial diversity. I am in no way qualified to talk about this. *Backs away slowly out of the room*
blake
Utter bullsh@t. The gay porn biz has been highly segregated for years. Look at how until recently movies were billed as interracial or specialized in having blacks top whites, fulfilling some fetish–like in Mapplethorpe’s works.
Matthew Rush, light-skinned biracial man, is credited as the first major “black” porn star.
The “gay community” is just a microcosm of the greater society.
Denzel Washington has been a major star for the last 20 years but has rarely ever been paired with a white leading lady. Julie Roberts complained years ago that the love relationship between her character and Denzel’s had been cut from the Pelican Brief.
Instead, Washington and other African-American stars are paired typically with black or more likely mixed-race, light-skinned African-American women, Latinas, or Asians. Will Smith’s recent pairing with Charlize Theron was a first for him having a white leading lady.
During Whoopee Goldberg’s hey day, she was repeatedly told by white film execs that white male audiences found her ugly. Therefore, her characters were de-sexualized. The irony, of course, is that Goldberg’s real life lovers, including the father of her daughter along with the actors Ted Danson and Frank Langella were white men. Goldberg did star in two films with white male lovers, “Corrina, Corrina” and a film with Ted Danson.
Halle Berry and Rosario Dawson are the biggest actresses of African ancestry today. Berry’s love interests have typically been black and Hispanic. Recently, that has shifted in her films, first with Billy Bob Thorton.
Dawson is coded as racially nebulous Hispanic and has had more white male love interests, similar to Jessica Alba (who typically plays Latina or light-skinned/mixed-race black as she did in Honey).
Another immigrant
Well, I read Rod McCullom’s post, I visited a website of one of the porn studios he mentioned in NY. Frankly, most of the guys, whose pictures I saw posted on the site (Enrique Cruz), don’t cut it in terms of the body types that Michael Lucas has in his productions. At least the ones in the “pictures” section. I mean penis length is ok, but Lucas’ productions usually feature men with more muscular bodies than EC. (Once again pictures section)
As for the comment that McCullom makes about homophobia in Russia, it is really out of place. Lucas lives in the US, here and now, I believe he is an American citizen. He speaks English quite well. Not to mention that Lucas was responding to a question specifically about black “actors” in his films.
Another Immigrant
As for racism in general in the gay porn industry, I’d have to agree with Blake – I mean as much as you can “intellectualize” about porn… I find it problematic that most of the gay porn still plays off the idea that black men are seen as big rough tops only… it has this feel of racism, not really the negative racism per se, but more the sexualization of the black men that simultaneously dehumanizes them, takes away their other facets of being. But maybe that’s the problem with porn in general.
Robbie
Porn is just like the average bar scene. The majority, ie whites, just aren’t into blacks and Asians as a whole, so they end up segregating. You get a few token minorities here and there, and a few that will be into them. But that’s it. There’s plenty of blacks and Asians in porn, but in their OWN porn for their own people. Michael Lucas just knows what his audience (and perhaps himself) wants and sticks to that.
Until gays themselves get over racial boundaries, and why they are attracted to certain races, the porn scene will stay segregated. And that’s a whole bigger issue itself, and unfortunately its not even restricted to us homos.
rick
seems like there are a lot of men of color in porn to me. they have their own brand name studios and an avid following. i am a big fan of the new “thug” porn. men of color not on the down low but being gay gay gay. it is the new trend and i expect it to go further mainstream than it has already started to.
Chitown Kev
@Robbie:
I am not going to comment on this too much but relatively speaking, Lucas has quite few men of color in his porn flicks, and, for the most part, they don’t conform to stereotypes.
It’s like what someone said earlier, it seems moreso that he’s looking for a body type.
Qjersey
No Michael, perhaps they don’t want to work for you!
Raging Stallion features well built black guys in their films
Nick
I find most porn boring, but I do enjoy Papithugz and DawgPound, and Michael Lucas’s “Audition” videos.
Michael Lucas
Hi guys:
I answered a number of comments on Rod2.0’s blog, which I’m copying below. I’d also like to add that companies like Big City only use Black and Latino models. I, on the other hand, feature interracial scenes. I have hundreds of models of different races applying, and have to choose maybe one out of every ten applicants that fit the “Lucas Man” profile (fit, muscular, handsome, regardless of race).
Studios like Big City target a certain niche. But if you’re going to accuse me of being racist because I can’t fill all my scenes with one type of person, then please be sure to label the other producers as such as well.
Here are the comments for your reading pleasure. You can also read it on LucasBlog.com I think I’ve answered all of your questions and accusations:
Dear guys:
This is Michael Lucas. First, I really would like to thank you for acknowledging my efforts in including Black and Latino models in my films. I always have and always will.
I never make comments on blogs, but I feel this is a very important issue and I don’t want to be misrepresented or misunderstood. Let me respond to some of you who posted here.
@Luther: I’m very much aware of Russian homophobia. I’m a native, and trust me, Eastern European homophobia and black homophobia are on the same level. Of course, you’re right in saying that homophobia exists in many nations, particularly in Eastern bloc countries like Poland and Western European countries like Spain and France. Let’s not even discuss the Middle East, where gays are jailed and often publicly executed.
@derek: You’re right. Racism is rampant in the White community. I know it very well from the emails I get saying I’m using too many Black and Latin models. But the Black community is as racist towards the White community. Trust me, I do understand the root of Black racism, which is the revolting American history of slavery and segregation. But please don’t forget that America is far less racist than Europe. I feel perfectly authorized to compare the two since I’ve lived in Europe and the U.S. Europe doesn’t have the “political correctness” we have in America. Try to find one European country where people would elect a Black president.
@Anderson: You probably don’t know anything about me, if you’re saying I’ve ignored the massive problems in Russia and Eastern Europe. I’ve talked about it on LucasBlog.com and in many published articles all the time.
@Carlos and Mark: You’re accusing me of not knowing anything about homophobia in the Black community because I’m not an African-American. Look, I don’t have to be African-American to talk about homophobia within the community, just like you don’t have to be Russian to discuss homophobia there or among white Americans, etc. I’m well aware about Black homophobia from the African-American models I talk to, whether they come for an interview and change their mind because they’re afraid of being recognized. I also know about this from listening to rap, watching the media, and feel free to name another well-know, out African-American celebrity except for RuPaul. I also know about it from the recent vote on Proposition 8. Seventy percent of the black community voted for Prop 8. I also have lots of black friends who are drag queens. They tell me that the overwhelming majority of insults (and even physical attacks) come from black men.
So please don’t tell me that I don’t have knowledge on the issue. I’m not a scholar, but I have my eyes and ears and I do work with a lot of black men, from the models in my films to co-workers in my office, to the many friends I’ve made.
@Danny Rivera (and I guess Kevin, who I think meant to say anti-gay sentiments of Russian people): Again, I’m more than aware of the homophobia in Russia, and I’ve definitely noticed the homophobic mayor of Moscow sending riot police against the Gay Pride parade, and there are many more outrageous incidents that I’m aware of between Russian authorities and gay Russians. I’ve written a lot about it. Just check my blog. I recently flew to St. Petersberg with filmmaker John Cameron Mitchell to protest the censorship of the first Gay and Lesbian Film Festival there. And believe me, it was quite a dangerous affair. Now wouldn’t you think I left Russia and brought my family here for the exact reason of homophobia, anti-semitism, racism, and hatred towards anyone who is different? I know about it first hand. I grew up being hated. I’ve written profusely about it. I’ve made speeches on college campuses. So don’t tell me to get more information on a topic I’m already very well educated on.
Right now I’m in the middle of a production where as always I’m using a lot of Black talent. But I will try to find more time and write an article on LucasBlog.com on this issue. Guys, you’re more than welcome to comment on what I have to say there. I welcome your criticism and all of your comments will be published, unless you’re disrespectful and insulting like some comments on this blog.
Sincerely,
Michael Lucas
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@Qjersey:
Not really.
They feature like 1 or 2 black guys who are always the rough/bad/aggressor..
YAWN.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@Nick:
Thugz bore me….
Over that when I turned 22 a few years ago…
rick
@John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s): and that is why i like big city video. those men are GAY! and hot.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@Chitown Kev:
Exactly.
Love him or hate him, thats true. Also people it’s a business…I thought it was pretty daring for Lucas to do this to be fair….
rick
@Michael Lucas: Mr. Lucas, why are porn stars all so damn short?
Nick
@John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):
Well good for you, I suppose.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@Nick:
Guess so, just be who you are…I just don’t like fakes and I think a lot of these guys are..it’s all too caricturistic BUT when it’s done well..like ANY contemporary cultural image…it’s really attractive..
@rick:
They are all gay??
I’m checking out more of the site now…I was watching some other stuff, think it was Tigers stuff and not ONCE did I see a kiss…or an erotic touch…
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@rick:
Yep, Hot!
jake
Uh, oh, black white black white black white, asian, latino, black, white, black, white, queerty, blah blah, over it, dumb dumb
sparkle obama
i just want to point out that not wanting to be recognized appearing in a gay porn does not mean you are “homophobic”.
Black people have something called “home training”.
often Black gay people are less willing than “white” gay people to isolate Ourselves from Our communities by rejecting Our churches & institutions & defining Ourselves as separate from Our families.
i’m not saying it’s better or worse – i’m just saying.
ps
modern porn with its false top/bottom, thug/twink gay/straight stereotypes is tacky, trashy, boring & sad.
give me ruven avfnador, bruce of los angeles, peter berlin and the work of james bidgood
RainaWeather
Consudering that the porn in question is made in the United States of America (you know the rest)
sparkle obama
ps
i never want to see another closeup of a red, hemmohroided (sp?) butthole AS LONG AS I LIVE!
alan brickman
brianbodine is hot hopefully he make makes morning goods…
Chitown Kev
“Seventy percent of the black community voted for Prop 8.”
This is factually incorrect. Even if you allow for the 70% number Propisition 8 was not a nationwide referendum, it ONLY took place in the state of California, nowhere else.
I see the 58% or the 70% quoted all the time but all to often (and everyone is guilty of it) publishers and blogs leave off that fact that Proposition 8 was a California ballot initiative and not a nationwide referendum.
getreal
@Chitown Kev: Also when you take into account the elderly (who in most counties were the majority of blacks who voted) voted virtually identically to white christians,republicans, and hispanics it stops just being a problem of black voters as the guilty party in the passage of prop 8. When you look at the many conservative counties like the Fresno area where white voters voted over 70% yes on prop 8. When you take senior citizens and christians out of the mix blacks voted no on Prop 8 at the same rates as the general population.I on the other hand am a black christian who voted no on Prop 8 and am working to help repeal it.
Chitown Kev
@getreal:
and I don’t want to make this a a Prop 8 debate right now but… (I’m doing it anyway)
I am just going to crunch the damn numbers myself. I believe the LA Times reported in late August 2008 that in the 2004 elections, in 6 of the 10 states where the gay marriage ban passed, blacks voted for same-sex marriage bans at a lower percentage than whites.
And I wrote on Lucas’ blog and Rod 2.0 already, the Proposition 8 vote took place ONLY in California, not anywhere else, that’s my point. Lucas and all these blogs have repeated that figure as if it were a national referendum, you hear it in the MSM all the fucking time, “The black community voted 70% for Proposition 8.” The Prop 8 vote took place in California, NOWHERE ELSE. It was not a national referendum on black voters views on same-sex marriage. That is the way it is being portrayed and it is RACIST.
I understand that in California it was with the potent irony that they voted to take away an existing inalienable right (a first) and that it coincided with the election of the nation’s first African-American President (who was catty about the whole issue). I’m getting ready to send some money to the Courage Campaign just in case things don’t shake out right but…
CAN Y’ALL KEEP Y’ALL CALIFORNIA ISSUES IN CALIFORNIA, PLEASE?
Chitown Kev
“To guess how someone will vote on gay marriage, find out their age, gender, party affiliation and how often they go to church. Compared with these factors, race has a much smaller, more complex effect. In the most comprehensive study to date of black-white differences in attitudes toward homosexuality, Gregory B. Lewis of Georgia State University combined data from 31 national surveys conducted between 1973 and 2000. His study, published in Public Opinion Quarterly, concluded that “blacks appear to be more likely than whites both to see homosexuality as wrong and to favor gay-rights laws.”
“It is possible that California’s African Americans this year, like those in Georgia four years ago, will vote for Proposition 8 in larger numbers than whites. But there is also reason to think that, as in six other states four years ago, the opposite might occur in the Golden State.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stewart14-2008aug14,0,7258583.story
But fuck it (that will come later…LOL) people will bwlieve what they want to believe.
GranDiva
@Robbie:
Are you kidding me?
We went through this about twenty years ago, before Essex Hemphill died.
Porn — gay and straight — is made by and for white men, who are its principal consumers. If you see an all-black gay porn video, four out of five times it’s neither made by nor marketed to black gay men. Thug trade porn is intended for dinge queens. Asian twink porn is intended for rice queens. I find it difficult to believe that there are that many black men who are interested in seeing themselves depicted in the ways that commercialized niche porn presents them, particularly because it makes the white men who buy this stuff expect the stereotypes that this kind of porn reinforces in every black man they come across.
I think that the primary concern is — and always has been — that porn is not about people, it’s about fantasies, fascinations, kinks and objectifications. This situation is a lot like network television, if you think about it. Everyone is looking for themselves, for representation in what they see of the world around them, and in the case of porn some sort of equal objectification. The question in the porn industry, then, becomes one of what porn consumers will pay to see, just like any other product, and porn is a business like any other. There’s no point in creating product where there is no customer base, and the market here is overwhelmingly white men who have $35-60 to drop on a porn DVD. If a production company can sell videos of a pale, skinny white guy getting a train run on him by some 20 huge-hung Mandingo clones, then that’s how the black guys are going to be represented in the videos, and if that’s how some black men want to see themselves portrayed, that’s an incidental bonus to the producers.
At the same time, there is something to what Michael Lucas says, inasmuch as he can’t hire black models if none apply. (However, he does need to go back and look at the California demographic breakouts on Prop 8 before he restates that 70% figure again.) Lucas’s company certainly isn’t the only one that is perfectly willing to work with men of color when they audition, but ultimately, they can’t use people they don’t have.
getreal
@Chitown Kev: I was answering an incorrect stat quote and I volunteer for the courage campaign so i am so happy to hear you will be sending them money. When someone perpetuates a stereotype or myth about the prop 8 vote I do feel the need to take issue.
getreal
I’m confused why are people complaining about lack of diversity when Micheal Lucas has had black actors in all his recent productions and apparently hires more black models than most porn producers. This has nothing to do with Prop 8 so if anyone here wants to post more bogus stats I work for the campaign to repeal Prop 8 and I will correct you.
Chitown Kev
@getreal:
Michael Lucas posted this figure here, on his blog, and over at Rod’s place. I mean, he’s a cool producer and…can you say Chad Hunt?…but…
I can’t help it guys, I edited textbooks for a year and a half but that one error I see often and I’ve noticed it many times. It is not only factua;lly incorrect, but it propogates a judgment on black people throughout the United State that’s unjust, unfair, and wrong.
getreal
@Chitown Kev: I agree
Mister C
Another Racist Ranting session brought to you by Queerty! 🙁
Chitown Kev
@Mister C:
No ranting here, just a factual correction.
Mister C
I’m not talking about you Kev, The post in general is……..
afrolito
@getreal:
Do you watch a lot of gay porn? I’m curious as to why you as “straight christian black woman” feel you have anything of value to add to this, or most of the topics on this site for that matter.
As far as Michael Lucas is concerned, he’s full of shit. Most of what he says is to feed his own ego, and get publicity. As someone said above, porn is largely made for and targeted to white gay men. People of color are set aside to fill a niche, or fullfill fantasies. I will give some credit to Michael Lucas, for featuring more diversity in his productions than most. He still has plenty of room for growth before he gets a medal.
afewthoughts
HERE ARE MY OPINIONS: Any ethnic variety of white man appeals to me whether they come from Italy, Egypt, Australia, Sweden or Brazil. I love white men! I love the way they look and act.
East Asian men have never aroused me, some are good-looking though. A couple black men have attracted me but it’s very very rare. Black men tend to be very pushy, very aggressive and completely lacking in romance.
getreal
@afrolito: I like to the read the articles on Lossip (I’m not latin) Jossip (I’m not jewish) I read a lot of website and I comment when I have an opinion. I happened upon this site when I was doing research on Prop 8 (im working on the repeal campaign) it has interesting articles and pictures of hot guys. As a recent article on jossip showed the so-called christian states consumed the most porn and i find nothing wrong wth porn myself. As a black person matters of diversity interest me. Anyone is allowed to read and comment on this website.If you don’t feel I have anything of value don’t read my posts I rarely read yours I try to avoid the people who are daily picking fights with people.
getreal
@afewthoughts: And FYI a lot of straight girls ogle morning goods every day.
afrolito
@getreal:
So I was right…You don’t have anything of value to add to this or most of the topics you pollute on this site, with your weirdly passive aggressive nonsense.
A progressive christian black woman interested in gay porn and hot guys?…uh huh.
Btw, since you rarely read my posts, how exactly would you know if I was picking fights on a daily basis? Your mask of bullshit is slipping a little.
getreal
I never said I was interested in gay porn. I commented on this thread because people were bringing up prop 8. If think straight girls don’t like hot guys maybe you don’t know what straight is. Yes i avoid your posts you are always taking issue with people and acting as if you speak for every black person on this site newflash you don’t. And I don’t wear a mask.
getreal
Just like there are progressive straight women there are closed minded gay men. Look in the mirror to see an example
getreal
@afrolito: I stopped reading your posts when I realized they are all the same angry black man picking fights with white posters BS. I think you are full of sH*t at least I have a different perspective all you ever do is play the race card and i could go to many threads and find posts of yours to back up my opinion. If you don’t think straight people deserve to be here that is your problem and it shows how stupid you are. So if you think that straight people are so different than gay people that we don’t like porn and pictures of hot guys you should get out more. Little afro
afrolito
@getreal:
If you aren’t interested in gay porn, then why click on the thread in the first place? The title and topic have absolutely nothing to do with prop 8….and why is a straight christian black woman so interested in prop 8 in the first place? We all need allies, but you and your posts give me the creeps in a bad way. You most certainly do where a mask. Of course I know that straight girls like hot guys…I never said they didn’t. However, I do find it strange, that a “straight christian black woman” would post at a site like queerty on a daily basis, just to ogle hot guys, and obsess over prop 8. I’ve read your posts, and your passive aggressive homophobic agenda is loud and clear dear.
As far as me speaking for black people, I never said I did. You certainly don’t either. I speak for myself as a gay person of color, on a site dedicated to the homosexual agenda. I know why i’m here, but why exactly are you here?
getreal
@afrolito: Pathetic
getreal
@afrolito: I’m not obsessed with Prop 8 I’m the child of two parents who raised me on stories of the civil right movement and like the many white people who got on buses and went south to help I am help my community (i live in west hollywood) by working on the repeal prop 8 campaign. This past Nov.4th they wrote discrimination into my states constituiton so yeah that BOTHERS me
afrolito
@getreal:
Me playing the race card? Now I know you’re a fraud with an agenda. As far as me being angry…lmao! I’m a lot of different things, but typically angry is not one of them.
You on the other hand, have just let the mask slip dow a little further! This will be a fun ride, watching you reveal your true agenda. Aha!
getreal
I’m not an “ally” I think that is stupid as an American the 2nd class citizenship of any group of people will always matter to me. I also read bossip and i don’t try to run white people who post there off.
getreal
Gay equality isn’t just a gay issue it is a justice issue for EVERY American and if my posts give you the creeps don’t read them. Your posts embarrass me they are stereotypical angry black man attacking white people if they in any way disagree with you.
afrolito
@getreal:
Yeah yeah yeah…I think we all know your bio of being raised by two liberal parents, and how you live in West Hollywood….
Excellent talking points, but no sale.
I’m really loving how you’ve decided to read my posts though. That’s progress for ya!
getreal
@afrolito: Agenda whatever dude I don’t know why you feel i have to prove anything to you. If you want to think straight women are cold virgins that don’t like to look at cock or that all black christians hate gays and if they don’t and support marriage quality they have an agenda that’s your bag. I’ve never read anything you wrote that was interesting most of it is pedestrian an critical so if you don’t like that there are straight people here ignore us. I’ll go right back to ignoring you.
getreal
@afrolito: Who gives a shit what you believe. I could say I don’t believe you are a black person at all. It is a stupid argument. Maybe you are a fraud why else would you question my race>
John in CA
It is essentially correct that porn, regardless of whom is in it, is made with a white male “gaze” in mind. Even in pornography where there’s a bunch of stereotypically ghetto black men having sex, it is clear that they’re only acting that way to arouse the white man who’s masturbating to it.
The needs of the performers doesn’t really matter. Everything is designed around the customer’s view of the world. And lets be honest, the customer is usually a white male. That means lots of “jungle fever” fantasies of black men as aggressive beasts, asian men as submissive slaves, latino men as angry thugs, and so forth.
On an intellectual and rational level, I don’t think the white guys who watch this stuff take it that seriously. But at some primal level, when they’re in the privacy of their own house and have turned off the political correctness switch, these are the images they’re instinctively drawn to. So, while it isn’t a premeditated and malicious sort of racism, there’s little doubt that there is a racial element to it.
I’m not sure if there’s a solution to this. Or if we even need a solution. Not all race related issues can be wiped clean with the magic “education” wand. Perhaps this is just one of those few areas where we should leave it alone. We probably already know way too much about certain people’s – um, thought process – as it is.
getreal
And I’m not one of these white guilt people who will back down from you. If you are one of the 5 black people in america who were raised by conservatives sucks to be you.
afrolito
@getreal:
Are you now the white person i’m attacking for disagreeing with me?? I thought you were the straight christian black woman interested in hot guys?
The only person trying to run anyone off is you. It’s so painfully obvious that i’ve hit a serious nerve by outing you. Right now your posts read like a caged animal fearing for it’s life. It’s a super entertaining read!
getreal
Well I’m straight so i can’t be outed the only one who got outed is you. You are so closed minded you actually believe that there are not black women who believe in equality. You have outed yourself as a closed minded person with a dark worldview
afrolito
@getreal:
Oh you most certainly care about what I believe…otherwise you would have addressed me once, and moved on. Right now you’re in hyper defence mode, and your bullshit meter is off the charts! Since you have no valid comeback, you’ve resorted to outright lying, which is even weirder, since these posts can be read by anyone unedited. Not once did I ever say women were “cold virgins uninterested in sex”. The only chick i’ve been addressing here is you, the one who describes herself as a “straight christian black woman interested in hot guys”. Remember her? After reading your last post, I might add CRAZY to the description as well.
getreal
I was at Camp Courage activist training (for repealing Prop 8) and half of the instructors trainers there were straight. There is a large number of people who worked on Obama’s campaign here in California who are now working on Prop 8 the only agenda we have is social justice. There is no room for you in the equality movement if you think straight people or christian people aren’t equal to you and don’t have a right to have an opinion and a right to protest unjust laws. You are a joke
Oh and I said I’m not some white guilt person who is going to back down. I didn’t say anything about being white myself. Poor thing aren’t there any white gays for you to pick on tonight.
getreal
@afrolito: You are weird what about being straight black or christian stops me from thinking Micheal Lucas is hot? You don’t even make sense. I’m a black woman you don’t scare me like you scare they white guys on the site. I will go toe to toe to someone who brings foolishness and bitchassness to me.
getreal
@afrolito: We can do this all night you aren’t backing me down.
getreal
If you really don’t believe I’m black (this is the most absurd conversation in history) give me your name and I can contact you on facebook. This is ridiculous.
afrolito
@getreal:
Once again, I never said anywhere that straight christain people are not equal. Of course you know that, but in your usual passive aggressive bait/switch agenda, the truth is subjective. The only joke is on you, since you have managed to reveal exactly who you are in a manner of mere minutes with each of your posts.
By no means should you back down. Watching you paint yourself into a corner is super fun!
getreal
@afrolito: Well I guess you went to another thread to start another stupid arguement with another poster. What a douchebag Afrolito or should i say Vivian because I think your mask is slipping and you are really not a black man but a woman so I’ll call you Vivian it is as good a name as any.
getreal
@afrolito: The only one who has painted himself into a corner is you. You are pestering a poster because she is a straight black christian. I still can’t figure out what part of that bothers you so much the straight or the christian? You are acting like a weirdo this site doesn’t belong to you it belongs to the owner and anyone who believes LGBT and equality matter has a right to read and comment.
afrolito
@getreal:
Where did I say you weren’t black?? INSANE most definitely.
As far as me giving you my name to contact me through facebook…..uh are you serious?? I have no desire to open the door to your form of crazy. LMFAO!
getreal
It is interesting a gay man of color would be wasting so much time on a straight woman. Aren’t there better things you could be doing? Like canvassing, phone banking, organizing. Helping put an end to the down low problem in the black community and the homophobia that helps keep it going? No you are going to argue with a straight woman who feels passionate about equality. Great use of time douchebag.
afrolito
@getreal:
Uh Vivian? I have no idea who she is, but you need to GETREAL.
CRAZY…
getreal
Great I have no interest in your brand of crazy so stop posting at me you sound like and idiot.. A gay black man pestering a straight black woman. Nice
getreal
@afrolito: Yes you are crazy you don’t seem unable to understand metaphor or analogy. I’ll make it really simple since you called into question my race i called into question your sex and then called you vivian to make a point. I get it you are not very bright i’ll try to keep it VERY simple.
afrolito
@getreal:
Uh…who’s arguing? You’re the one pathetically trying to keep it together, and failing miserably. Name calling, and outright lying are not really the things one traditionally associates with a “straight black christian woman”….uless she was full of shit from the start of course. Lol
getreal
Well I may not be what people traditionally think of as a christian black woman but so what. Are you the teeth sucking swishy you go girl stereotype traditionally expected of black men in our community? Probably not maybe you should stop thinking in stereotypes and wake up to the reality that we are a diverse community.
getreal
Crab mentality
afrolito
@getreal:
Unlike you, I haven’t told any lies here. The only thing I set out to call attention too, is your SUPREME BS, which has worked out better than I could have possibly imagined.
Thanks for playing along…
getreal
@afrolito: Try to keep it together? That’s funny I was born black and female it is not something that can be held together it just is. How bad was your childhood that it seems incredible to you that there are black people raised in progressive two parent homes?
getreal
I’ve never told a lie here
getreal
I am a straight black christian who believes in equal rights for ALL americans that’s how I was raised I’m not sure why you are so threatened by that but your anger has much more to do with you than my outspokenness.
afrolito
@getreal:
More lying….
Exactly where did I say it was incredible that you were raised in a progressive two parent home??
Free answer….NOWHERE.
It’s sad how you can’t keep track of your bullshit. It’s a great read though!
getreal
@afrolito: Sorry you are so jealous that some of us were raised in two parents homes. You did say that you said my background was bullshit.
getreal
@afrolito: I’m noticing you won’t answer the question. Why are so threatened by the idea of a progressive black woman raised by liberal parents what am I supposed to be a homophobic single mother? You think in stereotypes it’s pathetic. No home training.
getreal
@afrolito: The only bullshitter is you the fact is (not to air dirty laundry) but like most black folks from the hood you can’t stand to hear about the life you missed out on by not being born in the burbs.
afrolito
@getreal:
I said you had a great bio, with excellent talking points. Of course you know that, since you could just scroll up and read it like everyone else. But the truth has nothing to do with your agenda, which is patently obvious to everyone right now.
Why exactly would I be jealous your two parent home? Are you stereotyping me as a the child of sinlge mother in the ghetto? OMG! …how christian and progressive of you.
Btw, I come from a two parent middle class home, just like you supposedly do. Try again. Lol
getreal
Now I get the angle why you started this fight yep my parents went to college and there were TWO of them. Haters sheesh.
getreal
@afrolito: I don’t believe you no sale. And I came from an uppermiddle class background.
getreal
Oh and it’s not a bio just my background. It is clear you came from a different background that is why you are so threatened by my background. So you were the person championing “traditional” stereotypes clearly you were speaking from experience.
getreal
I was wonder why you kept talking about an agenda, because you have one typical hood vs bougie.
afrolito
@getreal:
I love how your bullshit has no limits! Now i’m from the hood, and jealous that you come from the burbs?! LMFAO!
If ever there was any doubt to your duplicitous nature, that post alone seals the deal. You have solidified the fact that you’re INSANE, A LIAR, and SHAMELESS.
The only dirty laundry on show is yours. The new face of progressive is really the new face of CRAZY.
getreal
@afrolito: Whatever sounds like you have a lot of baggage. I’m here to talk about the current civil rights movement that why I’m here and what I want to talk about.
afrolito
@getreal:
UPPER MIDDLE CLASS background?!…Like PJ Harvey said “Uh huh yeah”.
This is amazing!…unable to tell the truth, and having nowhere else to hide, you’re now trying to silence me with class warfare? Really?? Sweetie that only works when you have actual ammunition to work with, which you don’t.
It’s a good effort, but ultimately pathetic and extremely revealing of you….the “straight christian black woman”.
The real you must be an even more incredible mess.
getreal
@afrolito: Whatever emotional baggage you want to unload about traditional roles of black women go over to Bossip there is a lot of discourse on that. If you want to obsess and chase me through these threads inventing things about me someone you have never met be my guest. It seems desperate, stalking and crazy.
getreal
@afrolito: Sorry daddy left. You probably wouldn’t be such an angry woman hating mess if he had stayed. Oh well some us get the breaks some of us don’t
getreal
You can get as ugly as you want. If you want to spend your time trying to run off straight people who are working for marriage equality be my guest. Invent any weird vendetta in your head that you want. I’m going to concentrate on the current civil rights movement.
getreal
I met people like you at Howard jealous my friends and I never let hood rats intimidate us. Just a little dirty on my shoulder, easy to brush off.
getreal
I don’t even believe there is an afrolito this sounds too much like bill perdue. But clearly from your reaction I hit a nerve. Clearly you are the bullshitter and you don’t like getting called out.
afrolito
@getreal:
Now my daddy left me? I’m a woman hating mess? I’m running off straight people?
Do you even read your own insanity before you hit the submit button? I’m guessing not. I also find it hilarious that you claim i’m chasing you, when you obsessively respond to each of my missives with 3 or 4 posts in a row. Having trouble keeping your thought (LIES) straight in one post? LMAO!
afrolito
@getreal:
Hood rats? Really?
Bill Perdue? Really?
LMFAO!
You have never met anyone like me…especially if you went to Howard. LMFAO!
Oh a nerve was most certainly hit, but it so clearly was yours hon! You know it, I know it, and now everyone here knows it too.
Fun times!
getreal
Obviously I hit the nail on the head. If you step to me with bs I will bring it. You seem like a mess and I’m going to go back to reading great articles and commenting when i have an opinion. On Queerty or Bossip or Lossip or anywhere else that I want. If it bugs you don’t read them. I’m not wasting anymore time on this it’s silly. I think you should ask yourself why you are so invested in my life or my opinions. As my memaw used to say “Go get you some business and stay out of mine”
afrolito
@getreal:
The only thing you brought was the INSANITY. It wasn’t even hard getting it out of you either….just a little nudge in the right direction, and mask shattered into a million little pieces.
Now you can go back to reading those great articles again…like you said multiple times during the course of this “discussion”.
LOL!
getreal
@afrolito: Well Freud would say the one crowing about the insanity of someone they have never met probably has a history of mental illness or instability themselves. I’m glad you are enjoying yourself! The whole mask illusion is a little weird i guess you must wear them literally or figuratively I don’t have to being a progressive black woman is enough for me I don’t need a mask. You seem to be project a lot of your issues on me but it’s funny. Keep it up if you don’t have anything better to do. Maybe daddy will come back. LOL
getreal
I guess you learn something new everyday who would have thought there were gay people of color so self-hating that they think straight blacks are incapable of being in favor of gay rights. So delusion that when they encounter a straight black person of faith they question their identity and actually try to run them off. Sad our community has so many challenges.
afrolito
@getreal:
You do remember calling me a hood rat, with no daddy, who was jealous of your upper middle class background right? All of this based on haing never met me in your life….are you following?
If anyone has daddy issues, it’s clearly you, who can’t keep talking about how abbsent he was/is. Talk about projection issues.
Even Freud couldn’t fix the mess in your head!
Oh, and I love how you clearly want the last word, since you can’t stop responding…..even when you repeatedly claim you’re about to stop and get back to “serious issues”.
You’re so fucking wacked it’s not even funny! Lol
getreal
Things will get better if you work on that anger. Don’t worry it doesn’t have to be so hard.
afrolito
@getreal:
Seek help…it’s out there if you ask. Not sure if there’s adequate medication to unscramble the mess in your head, but it’s worth a shot.
getreal
Take your own advice. You are the one who apropos of nothing decided there was no such thing as a straight black chrisitan who supports gay rights. You seem delusional and very mad for some reason. It’s creepy.
afrolito
@getreal:
You calling anyone delusional just drips with delicious irony.
You’re definitely one of the nuttier characters i’ve encountered on the net, and that’s saying something.
getreal
Well if keep encountering nutty characters what is the common thread? You. Maybe you are the nutty one. I haven’t really encountered many nutty characters just a lot of very opinionated people some whom take these threads WAY too seriously. People who bring drama probably don’t have a lot going on in their own lives. So fantasize about all the nuts you “meet” on the internet if it makes you happy. If you find yourself meeting lots of nuts perhaps you are the nut. Pysch 101
afrolito
@getreal:
“Straight christian black women” who have a lot going on in their lives don’t post obsessively on gay sites. At least not any of the attractive, sane women I know. They’re out getting laid by men who are actually interested in them.
Your kind brings drama and craziness to gay sites….live from WEHO.
Reality 101
getreal
Go to the Ivy on a friday night lots of beautiful straight girls including Tyra Banks yes I and other people have seen her at the Abbey in west hollywood. So know lots of straight girls are on queerty half the girls I know who work for production companies check morning goods everyday. And everyone I know who is tied to a computer all day reads blogs goes on facebook and goes to websites. I like the golden girls too I guess you would say young black women shouldn’t like the golden girls. Living in LA anywhere straight men are straight women are there too and straight men and trans people it’s called diversity.Nice try though.
getreal
I’m also on ebay is a straight christian black woman not supposed to be checking ebay everyday. How about this maybe you as a black gay guy should make a list of what straight black women are allowed to read,like, wear, where we are supposed to go. LOL!!!! What a megalomanic. You are just 1 gay black man. Yu don’t get to decide what every straight black woman gets to do. So get a life then you wouldn’t be so obessed with mine. Pysch 101
afrolito
@getreal:
Thanks for proving my point.
The Ivy and the Abbey?? Really?
I’ve been to both places numerous times, and neither is a hetero pick up spot filled with straight couples. Is that where you go for your weekly rejection? Tyra is hanging out there looking for Mr right. What about you though?….is that the new hotspot for straight christian dating? Puhleeze! LMAO
Like I said….all the “attractive” women I know don’t spend their time posting OBSESSIVELY on gay sites. You’re that other sad/crazy kind I was talking about.
getreal
Never said pick up spot. But the ivy is a straight celeb hang out. Guess you just proved my point that you are full of it. Straight, gays and trans people hang out at the abbey. They have the most popular brunch in west hollywood. And no I have a boyfriend and I don’t need to troll bars to get laid men hit on wherever i go. You are funny though. Youve been to the Ivy and there are no straight couples it’s in beverly hills that’s who is there caught you ina lie you have never been there. Ha-ha
getreal
And Tyra has a boyfriend women don’t hang out at the Abbey looking for Mr. right people go with groups of people because the patio and the cabannas rock. I can tell you have never been there because famous celebrities go there all the time. Christina Agulera goes there all the time so does Paris Hilton so do a lot of hip people. Maybe you should read a fashion or US magazine sometime a lot of women think it is very cool to hang at the Abbey and tomorrow for brunch it will be a hugely mixed crowd. And if you are hanging out in bars waiting for Mr.Right that is so sad and funny at the same time.
getreal
BUSTED! Everyone in LA reading this can see this guy is a fraud he SAYS he has been to the Ivy but thought it was a gay bar. Match point. Afrolito just proved he is full of sh*t. I knew he or she would. Yawn I’m tired. What a b*llshit artist.
afrolito
@getreal:
Not really…I know the Ivy is a celeb hangout. I was refering to the Abbey, as you well know. Of course you’ll grab onto anything to make redeem your sanity in this thread…of course that’s way too late in the game.
And in any case….you certainly aren’t at either spot tonight, and i’m guessing your only acess is through the pages of queerty and Us weekly.
LOL
afrolito
@afrolito:
And if you have a boyfriend, then he must be as equally messed up, or a figment of your imagination. No real man could put up with your mess in the real world.
Is Mr imagination at the tip of your finger, or one click away?
LMAO
getreal
Well genius it’s 4:23 in the morning so the Abbey has been closed for two and a half hours but I was there for an event tuesday night and will be there with the girls for brunch sunday morning. I’m sorry the idea of having a boyfriend seems so inaccessible to you. don’t worry you’ll find him.
afrolito
@getreal:
The idea of you having a boyfriend is beyond laughable.
But i’m sure you and the “girls” will have an awesome sunday brunch comparing imaginary playdates. Aha!
getreal
I do have a boyfriend he is laughing his ass of as we speak at your inane posts. He called you a bitter lonely old queen and I had to tell him it is not okay to call LGBT people queens.
getreal
He’s learning
Chitown Kev
My goodness, I just wanted to post a slight correction to the article to correct a factual error and all this shit broke ouy.
I apologize to Queerty for my part in this issue. That is all. I wasn’t trying to be a shit starter.
afrolito
@getreal:
Riiight….Your imaginary boyfriend called me a bitter lonely old queen? You can tell him aka “the voice in your head”, that i’m neither old or lonely….unless 25 is the new 60.
What a complete mess of a trainwreck you must be in person! LMAO
Nick
LMFAO @ this thread!
Charles J. Mueller
Getreal: “I try to avoid the people who are daily picking fights with people.”
Inch, by inch, by inch.
Charles J. Mueller
Getreal: “I’ll go right back to ignoring you.”
Inch, by inch, by inch.
getreal
This is funny just poking my head in because it is saturday not the time to be stuck on the computer. Back to the subject matter it seems that Micheal Lucas does promote diversity in his movies so I think we should all lay off him. If he says black models don’t want to do porn i’ll take his word for it I certainly haven’t been to an gay porn casting sessions and i would bet neither has anyone on here so let’s not look for intolerance everywhere there are enough genuine injustices let’s not start looking for them where they don’t exist.
getreal
Oh For anyone who lives in california and wants to help repeal prop 8 there are kick-off meetings all over the state go to COURAGE CAMPAIGN website. ALL ARE WELCOME. We are building across the board coalitions. It’s been fun gotta go. Toodles!!!!!!
Charles J. Mueller
@afrolito:
“Not once did I ever say women were “cold virgins uninterested in sex”
Doesn’t matter, afrolito. Get real has a history of putting words in people’s mouths.
She accused Bill Perdue of calling her a racist, despite the fact that he never once uttered the word.
What he, in fact called her, is a “christer” which is defined in the dictionary as a person who is of the Christian faith. She then shot back that calling someone a christer was the same thing as calling them a racist.
“Here”, she said “Let me subsitute the word racist for christer for you.”
She also likes to sling the word “pedophile” around a lot as well, and when the person she calls a pedophile triesto defend themselves, she plays the old “do you beat your wife often game to make them look like they are trying to hard to defend themselves and therefore, must be guilty as charged…by her, of course.
Getreal is a liar. Getreal is a charlaton. Getreal is an angry, straight lady who tells everyone who disagrees with her that she is going to ignore them…but doesn’t. She even lies about that. Instead, she comes back with three, four or more posts, one after the other, like diarrhea of the mouth.
She’s got a big mouth that never stops flapping and when anyone comes back at her, she accuses them of taking over the boards.
She’s an evil bitch, Afrolito. Watch your back, cuz she’ll stab you in it.
getreal
This will be my last post to Charles Mueller he is a bitter old man who is always fighting with someone. I have never called anyone a racist never not out loud not on a thread. He is lying. I don’t believe in calling people racist if someone really is racist ignore them pray for them don’t interact. That is how I was raised. There will never be and has never been a post where I said you are racist to anyone ever. Now Charles will post some drivel about what he inferred or what i must have meant but he will not find a post where i ever tell someone you are racist. I however could probably find 5 where he did. There is always irony when dealing with this sad bitter twisted lonely man. I just poked my head in it is a beautiful saturday so I’m going to go and get back in it some of us have lives. Feel free to stay here all night Charles complaining, crying , criticizing, and picking fights seething and bubbling in your own loneliness, confusion, and anger
Charles J. Mueller
@afrolito:
Keep feeding her enough line, and she will eventually accuse you of being an arsonist who burns down black neighborhoods. lol
Charles J. Mueller
@afrolito:
Getreal: “I don’t even believe there is an afrolito this sounds too much like bill perdue.”
We’re a trinity now. lol
Afrolito, Bill Purdue and Charles J. Mueller
Holy smoke!
Charles J. Mueller
@getreal:
“I however could probably find 5 where he did.”
But did she provide any proof of her allegation?
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
It was Bill Purdue that you accused of being a racist. You put the words in his mouth with your christer=racist substitutions. Lying bitch.
Innuendo. Allegations. Aspersions. Implication. Insinuation. Intimation. All the tools of lying, unethical, dishonorable, unscrupulous fake and character assassin.
Inch, by inch, by inch.
Charles J. Mueller
@getreal:
“This will be my last post to Charles Mueller”
Liar. Liar. Pants on fire!
She keeps threatening me that she is not going to post to me anymore.
But, does she keep her word?
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Another inch added to the nose.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@getreal:
Y’know…
As much as I find this thread extra-ordinary…we NEED engaging debate…
Hope you don’t give up and I say this only because you care to answer back with dialogue…whether I agree with you or not…
I don’t care if you are the straightest blue woman! I’d rather you’re style them some flippant right wing idealogue who got us in this fucking financial mess…
Chitown Kev
Seriously, THIS thread needs to be archived. A Queerty’s finest bitch fest (no offense intended to Afrolito and getreal. I am laughing so hard I am crying! Amazing daggers!
Cee
I do not believe that Michael Lucas is racist. His casting is very diverse. I’d watch his videos before I watch a Chi Chi LaRue or Falcon video. The African American community is very homophobic. Anyone who says otherwise is either a bold faced liar, in denial, or do not know what they are talking about. I agree with Michael Lucas that a lot of black men are not that open to appearing in porn, but a lot of men in general are not that open to appearing in porn. You have to take into consideration that there are millions more white people than African Americans in the United States. So of course you are going to get a bigger turn out of gay white models in porn than African Americans. Also think about the type of models Michael Lucas casts in his videos. There is not an abundance of that type in the African American community and the ones that are that type aren’t usually those that want to do gay porn.