A recent Advocate cover told us that "gay is the new black". I beg to differ. These days, this particular gay is feeling more like the new kike wop spic nigger greaseball. Let's use our words correctly.

Well until we see this updated language, who knows what it will entail?

Let's hope for the best. If gay members are excluded from the church then maybe Saddleback is about to open its doors to everyone.

How interesting…

All of the specifics of Scripture have been replaced with "the Bible is clear". And magically, Biblical history has been rewritten into sexuality within the confines of a committed relationship and marriage.

I wish these religious folk would actually READ their Bible some time before they try and tell me what it says.

And I challenge them to find me five Biblical heros - just five - that had a "traditional Biblical marriage" in the way in which their church defines it.

What does it say on Erol's T-shirt in the picture?

*cuddles homo*

*runs away screaming when camera goes away*

That guy really gives me the heebie-jeebies. (Warren, not Sarabi.)

I'm not a

Gardener ( s ?)

I just Like

- I suspect it says men after that, which would make the orange-yellowy thing an orange

thus

I'm not a
Gardener
I just Like Men

@Frank H: "I'm Not a Gardener, I Just Like Hos."

I really don't believe that explanation. It is obvious (based on the comments Warren made about bloggers) that this situation is making his head spin more than he wants to admit.

I think the removal of the anti-gay comments were genuine and now he is trying to be defiant.

Keep the pressure up. I like the fact that Warren is now stewing in the mess he made.

Erol, c'mon, at what lengths would you go to find a nice bear?

Christianity = The Belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Segregationists often use a strangle hold on others, so they keep control.

This is just another segregationist preacher who looks too hungry for his own good, in 2008. Christian bullies in America were just as fervant in their support of slavery using these same text as these guys use homophobia for fund raising while creating their segregated communities today. Still never quite talking about their sexuality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ar4upjfWI

I SAY WE ALL CRASH THEIR SUNDAY CHURCH SERVICE DECKED IN RAINBOW GEAR, AND THROW AN END OF THE YEAR PRIDE FEST!!!!!!

The bible has been interpreted so many times, over such a long period of time, by so many different people, that at times, its accuracy must be called into question… or, more importantly — the accuracy of this interpretation (not just THIS interpretation, but ANY interpretation). At one point, the term now translated as "gays" was used to condemn the practice of having male temple prostitutes… Martin Luther (the Preacher, not the Civil Rights leader) interpreted it to mean that masturbation was a sin (seriously, look up "Malakoi Arsenokoitai").

That being said, I think that everybody is entitled to believe as they wish… I, personally, believe that bigotry in the name of religion is a major driving factor in the perpetual denigration of society… but then again, I'm just a fag….

Warren is getting a lot of good publicity for himself out of this. Now he's been chosen as the keynote speaker at the Ebenezer Baptist Church (Atlanta) event for Martin Luther King celebrations.

I guess Warren does indeed have gay friends. But that cringing smile and close fisted hug even for a photo op. Who puts his arm around you that way? Message to Warren: gay isn't contagious. How much you wanna bet he didn't ask for hand sanitizer as soon as he hopped into his limo?

"I'm not a gardner, I just like hos." (hoes)
From Crooked Monkey Tees
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/.....785815.jpg

I guess Warren does indeed have gay friends. But that cringing smile and close fisted hug even for a photo op. Who puts his arm around you that way? Message to Warren: gay isn't contagious. How much you wanna bet he didn't ask for hand sanitizer as soon as he hopped into his limo?

"I'm not a gardner, I just like hos." (hoes)
From Crooked Monkey Tees
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/.....785815.jpg

The LORD himself spoke thes words to me on 12/24/08 at 3:45am,it's the Church position to win the Lost at any Cost, give the facts read and pray for understanding He is the Same God of Genesis 18:17-21. You see Pastor Rick, President Elect, and to all of the Sodomites and Gomorrah Gay Communties, you can do all the endorsing and rage attacks that you want, Once God send his Angels and THE power of his Word out it's going down, here and throughout Creation you will not ever have to worry about any type of rights what so ever, Once you get to the message in Gen19 it will all be salt and sulfur, don't get mad, get delivered and surrender your All to the Savior, this also includes those of an Reprobate Mind,whoever said the words pro-choice must have never been Born-Again, according to Romans 1-:19-27. The only rights we have is living in His Righteousnes and Love, trust not in the arm of flesh and whose heart departeth from the LORD;Jeremiah 17:5

No he didn't, EVANGELIST STALLIONS. Now get back in the lion ring, pronto!!! Or take your meds. The choice is yours.

@ Evangelist Stallings –

Forget "born again"… try GROWING THE HELL UP!

Isn't GLUTTONY one of the seven deadly sins?

Better put down that turkey drumstick and hit the gym, Ricky!

That shirt is available at http://www.crookedmonkey.com
/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=37

Its a pretty awesome shirt

@Ken: Thank you for providing the best summary of christianity I've ever heard. LMAO!

"He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father." Proverbs 23:2 proclaims, "Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony."

@Michael W.: "I'm Not a Gardener, I Just Like Hos." Rick Warren will now go back to his followers and use this shirt as more evidence that — as he has always said — homosexuals are all just self-proclaimed promiscuous degenerates and therefore in need of repentance from their evil thoughts and deeds. Oy.

I don't know the entire background of Rick with his arm around this dude in the pic, why it was taken, the event surrounding it, but, Rick Warren has the right to believe whatever he truly believes…HOWEVER, if it is true he doesn't allow gays in his church, then when I look at this picture, it makes me want to hurl…it's that disgusting. What a phoney.

No wonder people are turned off by the church -

I mean seriously…how can anyone NOT be allowed in a church…for ANY reason!?!?!? What the hell is the premise of 'the church' then? IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!! *banging head on desk in frustration*

C'mon, TINA, don't be so ignorant of christianity. Anyone can attend church, but only people who align themselves within "biblical" principles can apply for membership. Church means a body of people who believe in Jesus as Saviour and Lord and seek to follow his example in their lives as scattered throughout the New Testament. I used to be a born again believer, so I obviously disagree with the bible's anti-gay teaching , though I do pick and choose as to what holds true for me because many things are so ridiculous, harsh, offensive,inconsistent, contradicting, etc. Only god really knows what we believe, I guess.

:-D I should clarify….I am currently in seminary (started at the age of 40) and actually just recently entered the 'discernment' stage of becoming a 'sister'. It is my goal to make the sisterhood 'cool'. First thing we need to do…CHANGE THE NUN OUTFIT! GAWD!

I'm thinkin' jeans, tank top, hoodie and flip flops…seriously….much more approachable…unless you're in Minnesota in January…then you can have boots and a hat. :-D

TINA, really?! What kind of seminary? What theological, denominational backgroud?

Bethel Seminary in St. Paul, MN. http://seminary.bethel.edu.

The seminary is baptist. I'm not much of a 'church' person myself and don't really 'belong' to any specific church currently (I feel 'belonging' to a church is to restrictive for me). I'm totally more of a 'go out and do' rather than sit and listen. I found two churches out in San Diego that I really dug, but as time went by I'm all like 'okay…this is great to hear and such, but WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING!?!??!" So…I just went off on my own and 'did'.:)

I started seminary basically to learn about the bible as I am someone who didn't know squat about it going into this and found it very hard to learn about in the church (even small groups and such). So, I started seminary basically just to learn about the bible, but after I graduate, I hope to go on and work on global poverty issues or something on that order (my background is finance).

It's actually a really exciting time for me right now as I am open to any and all possibilities that come my way :)

I should also note that I was baptized just 3 years ago this January at age 36. Well, RE-baptized…the baptism I had at 3 months of age really wasn't a decision that I had a say in, so I don't believe it 'counts' :)

Thank you Ken, #11. I was wondering how to explain this belief system to my space-alien friends.

As for the people telling us to shut up about all this nonsense. You first.

@Michael W.:

"maybe Saddleback is about to open its doors to everyone."

Like, this is a good thing? ;-)

Everyone seems to forget that the bible was written by men and the stories pieced together by men. These were the same men at the time that excluded woman, we're sleeping with prostitutes, we're taking money, land, and other wealth from everyone to become stronger and wealthier. The bible tells us that only one set of rules was written supposedly by God himself and that was the Ten Commandments. Correct me if I'm wrong, but homosexuality is not mentioned as a sin by God. The bible also states that it is a sin to kill another, yet christians openly support soldiers. It says not eat from the pig, but churches have ham dinners. It says you should not wear two different types of clothing, yet everyone does. Oh and the big one, its a sin to have incest, yet their belief is that is how we all came to exist.

For those who may be not be totally clear (Tina): according to the message from Pastor Tom at Saddleback, while homosexuals are not allowed to join as members of the church, they are however welcomed to attend the church ceremonies.

That's right, STEVE, so where's all the moral outrage from christians on their "sins"??! I'll tell you, they're full of lying, ignorant shit….and Jesus will spit them out of his mouth on that great day!

Well, isn't that so generous of them…"come…sit…but don't even THINK about becoming one of 'us'…we're SPECIAL!" *sarcasm*

That sort of thought makes me have bad high school flashbacks…PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE LET ME BE ONE OF THE 'COOL' KIDS!!!! *rolling eyes*

This would be reason 842 that although I'm in the process of giving my entire life to serving God, I am not a member of any church.

I'm a Christian. One of the most basic tenants of our religion is that we are ALL sinners. That includes hetro 'ol me, my LGBT friends sitting next to me in chruch, Rick Warren, EVERYBODY. If sinners can't joing thier church, it should become a museum!

AMEN!

high-five! *slap!*

:-D