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Gay The New Black?

Tyra Banks Invites Homophobes to Ridicule Themselves on National TV

Is gay the new black? We’ve discussed it endlessly on this website. And we’ll be doing more of it! But now Tyra Banks’ producers managed to book enough guests to package the debate into a 60-minute show. We’ve heard from what seems like every side: a civil right struggle is a civil right struggle is a civil right struggle; saying the two are the same minimizes the importance of the black struggle; debating the difference and arguing one is more significant than the other harms both fights; what about people who are gay and black?; shouldn’t blacks support the gay civil rights issue because not only blacks demanded equal rights for people of color?; and of course, Can’t we all just get along?

For the record, we think NAACP Chairman Julian Bond said it best.

You’ll have to skip to halfway into the third segment below to actually see where the “race” element comes into play on this episode, though the most worthwhile part of this otherwise tame show appears in Clip 4.

It’s just too bad the guest Tyra booked to argue “gay is not the new black” was Sandy Rios, president of the Culture Campaign (which “exists to help church and para-church organizations reenlist believers into the culture war one believer at a time“), who prefaces her argument with “you can stop being gay, you cannot stop being black” and goes on to recommend celibacy over having gay sex. (Cue 2:30.) Because the entire “is gay the new black” debate falls apart RIGHT THERE. At least base your argument on the differences in the struggles, and whether gays today are as persecuted as blacks during Jim Crow.

Just cue to 6:15 to watch an audience member school Ms. Rios: “How dare you just hate me like that? You are not a Christian.”

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On:           May 8, 2009
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  • 234 Comments
    • stevenelliot
      stevenelliot

      Ugh I need a life. Why cant I make easy money arguing irrelevant points about why a group of people should be discriminated against for no apparent reason. It seems all you have to do is start a non profit with the words “freedom”or “American” or “family”
      and boom your a bigoted millionaire working on K Street before sundown.

      You know this country is a sick place when there R think tanks making money by sitting around figuring out how to keep queers in the closet.

      The time for talking is over. I think the queers need to fight like hell! And be bitches from hell!

      The nerve of the white cunt in segment 4 saying being gay is a choice. She knows its not. But she makes a hell of a lot more money by saying it is.

      This fucking fuzzy science the righties love like Intelligent Ddesign and queer “choice”. They can shove it all up their abstinence only asses!

      And straight blacks er. African Americans, They make me sick too. You know why?. They dont want anyone to take away their precious word “civil rights”. Their fucking precious moment in history. They dont want any other minority to be a minority because Theyre the only group that can ask for their rights!
      African American’s are playing right into Whitey’s hand by not helping gay people.

      May 8, 2009 at 3:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Namaste 85
      Namaste 85

      you know, when I listen to the people on that 4th clip who oppose gay rights and gay marriage, and listen to the hate and ignorance that they spewed over the course of that 10 minutes, I have nothing but extreme love and compassion for them.I say this because i know, not think, but know that human beings at the core want to minimize suffering and maximize happiness and in order to do that and change the world and the minds and hearts of the ignorant and the bigots of the world, we must want the same thing for a perfect stranger and our enemies as we want for ourselves. Because we want the best of life, to have love, understanding, compassion, joy, equality and peace, we have to want that for every individual in the world because thats the only way to tear down the wall of hate. When someone is against you they want you to fight back with the same level of hate and ignorance to justify their position against you, but we must not take that bait.

      The true definition of Compassion is to have understanding where there is a lack of understanding. Those people dont understand what it is like to be gay so we have to accept and understand that with our compassion because if we become hateful and petty and angry and do and say harmful things in retaliation, are we no different from them? we must set ourselves apart because hate, ignorance, and bigotry is the fire and our understanding of them not understanding is the water that will soon extinguish that flame. Jesus the Christ said forgive them father for they know not what they do. The gay rights opposition at the core, don’t know what they are saying or doing. We have to understand that they have these beliefs and opinions because they don’t know better. But with our love and peaceful fight for equality the gay community with get all that it deserves the same way black people did.

      I do believe gay is the new black and they cant see that not because it isnt true but because the choose not to see it. And I forgive them for their ignorance because with Obama’s help or not, change is on the way. The gay rights movement is in its instar process, the same process a caterpillar goes through in its cocoon before it emerges as a large beautiful butterfly. There is no need to worry or even argue with those people because justice will prevail because thats just the way the universe is set up to work.

      May 8, 2009 at 4:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      …you cannot stop being black

      Obviously Ms. Rios has never heard of the “paper bag test”:

      http://tinyurl.com/yrkdm3

      May 8, 2009 at 4:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      Is gay the new black?

      When groups of white people try to use you to get what they want and then toss you aside like trash you can then say you’re the new black.

      When you get followed around a store for your skin color you can say you’re the new black.

      When you’re un-welcomed or even asked to leave an establishment by white gay men you can say you’re the new black.

      When white gay men call you nigger because someone who happens to be black said fag you can say you’re the new black.

      When people make you feel ugly on a daily basis because you aren’t white you can say you’re the new black.

      When a gay blog starts to go out of it’s way to make a ridiculous amount of topics about your skin color you can say you’re the new black.

      May 8, 2009 at 4:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      Zzzzzz…

      May 8, 2009 at 4:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D-Sun
      D-Sun

      I’d like to thank people like Sandy Rios. They’ve done more to help advance gay rights in this country than people like Joe Solomnese ever have.

      Keep up the good work, guys.

      May 8, 2009 at 5:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MAXWELL
      MAXWELL

      @Lex: Thank you sir!

      May 8, 2009 at 5:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SteamPunk
      SteamPunk

      @Lex:

      We have a Black commander-in-chief now, so I guess Black is the actually new White.

      I suppose Gay can’t truly be the new Black until we have a Gay president :)

      May 8, 2009 at 5:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      Black won’t be the new white until we’re the majority and controlling “old money” aka never.

      May 8, 2009 at 5:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fitc
      fitc

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s): ditto ….

      May 8, 2009 at 5:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Brandon
      Brandon

      I dont understand why the gay community feels the need to compare itself to blacks and the black struggle. Why do we get so offended when blacks tell us that its not the same. As a gay man and a black man I am completely aware that the my black experience is completely separate from the my gay experience. And you know what? That isn’t a BAD thing.

      R we as gay people so unsure of ourselves and how to fight for our rights nowadays that we have to latch on to another group’s history, another groups trials and tribulations, another groups precious experience in order to convince ourselves and the world that our fight has legitimacy.

      Why are we determined to wrap ourselves up in the mantle of black civil rights as if that legacy is our own to use in order to further our own agendas. When black people fought for their rights did they compare themselves to say the, “Women Suffragettes” who came b/f them? Did they claim that black peoples rights were the “new” women’s rights? No. And I might add that we didn’t see an outpouring of support from the mostly white women suffragette movement when it came time to desegregate schools. Where were their picket signs then? They obviously didn’t view the black plight as being the same as their plight.

      And that’s b/c it wasn’t. The women’s right struggle is completely different from the black rights struggle, which is completely different from the Native-American’s rights struggle which is completely different from the Hispanic struggle, which is completely different from the Gay rights struggle.

      Black are still struggling. Our fight is not over so how would u expect the black community to just step aside and agree that “Gay is the new Black”. That would make no more sense than women stepping aside and saying “Black is the new Woman”. Woman are still unequal in this country making .75 cents for every $ a man makes so their fight is not done either.

      We as a gay people have a rich history of contributing to society in amazing ways. Our fingerprints are on every corner of the globe from Alexander the Great to Andy Warhol and everything in between. We fought @ Stonewall, we survived concentrations camps, we refused to be silent during the Aids crisis. We have been present and accepted in many cultures across the world b/f the rise of Abrahamic religions, so we have always had a place in communities contrary to what the fundies want the world to believe. Lets use our own stories and our own history to further our cause rather than alienating another group by laying claim to theirs. Gay isn’t the new anything. Gay isn’t new at all. It has always been and has the right to be.

      May 8, 2009 at 6:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tavdy79
      tavdy79

      I do not think the question is whether or not gay is the “new black”, but whether or not gay is the only “new black”.

      May 8, 2009 at 6:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sparkle obama
      sparkle obama

      thanks lex – tell it!
      these fakers are tired & it ain’t working!
      it must be exhausting to fake it 24 hrs a day.
      ps
      sam harris is the bomb!
      he is respectful & positive.
      denials to the contrary, i know perez hilton speaks for many of these gays up in here with his bratty approach.
      sam harris has class and he can speak for me!

      May 8, 2009 at 6:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chris
      Chris

      Man, Tyra’s getting deep these days! It’s so ironic how these religious fanatics lack empathy.

      May 8, 2009 at 6:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • KLH
      KLH

      @John Santos: 2 words: Michael Jackson

      May 8, 2009 at 6:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sparkle obama
      sparkle obama

      @SteamPunk:

      darling, i have a mall in las vegas i’d like to sell you.

      May 8, 2009 at 6:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AlwaysGay
      AlwaysGay

      I resent the comparison to blacks or any other ethnic group. Gay people’s struggle is unique. We have been oppressed all over the globe for thousands of years by heterosexuals who at the same time are our family. There are few instances where gay people could actually live their life freely past or present.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Lex:

      When groups of white people try to use you to get what they want and then toss you aside like trash you can then say you’re the new black.

      They already do that to the LGBTQ community.

      When you get followed around a store for your skin color you can say you’re the new black.

      We get followed around the streets and harassed because we might dare hold hands in public, or be too femme.

      When you’re un-welcomed or even asked to leave an establishment by white gay men you can say you’re the new black.

      What about being asked to leave black establishments because one is gay? Like, say churches?

      When white gay men call you nigger because someone who happens to be black said fag you can say you’re the new black.

      What about black gay men on the down low calling white men faggots? What about rappers rapping about killing faggots and winning Grammys? What about mainstream media justifying anti-gay slurs.

      When people make you feel ugly on a daily basis because you aren’t white you can say you’re the new black.

      We’re made to feel ugly not because of our skin, but because of sexuality.

      When a gay blog starts to go out of it’s way to make a ridiculous amount of topics about your skin color you can say you’re the new black.

      What about when black blogs–Pam’s House Blend for example–blame all the black communities problems on white gays?

      Lex, you’re 18 percent of the American population. Your actors are paid tens of millions of dollars and win Oscars. Your singers sell out stadiums and win Grammys. Your athletes get massive contracts and endorsement deals. Black actors portray black characters on every network on TV. You have affirmative actions; fair housing programs; and are covered by the Federal gov’t when it comes to hate crimes.

      Name one out gay athlete who has a Nike endorsement. Name one out gay rapper who is idolized on MTV. Name one out gay actor who has won an Oscar for a leading man role. How often have excellent gay roles gone to straight actors?

      Please check your victim-hood at the door.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Namaste 85
      Namaste 85

      @Lex: thats rediculous. the “new black” reference as it applies to being gay has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with CIVIL RIGHTS. obviously people arent doing those kinds of things to gay people, after all its 2009 and there are many laws against it. No one is saying the gay/black struggle equates on that level, it comparison is being made on the right to equality as it applies to being who you were born into being. to trivialize it on the level of the way black people were treated during the early civil rights movement is despicable and disrespectful to black people because thats not what “gay is the new black” is about.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Matthew Rettenmund
      Matthew Rettenmund

      Regarding gay vs. black, I think it’s a shame that some members of the black community take it as a “we’re as bad off as you” kind of argument, when really I think it’s less about that than it is about discrimination is discrimination and black is the best example because our country institutionalized racism forever and ever. Instead of trying to one-up black suffering, I feel like gays who use that example are instead just very sympathetic to that cause. You could just as easily compare it to anti-Semitism or misogyny, but racism against blacks is the most obvious (and therefore the most egregious) example.

      White gays (or anyone) who use that parallel need to use it respectfully.

      But when a black person like the church lady in this video says “you haven’t been hung from trees,” that reveals a shocking ignorance on the behalf of that part of the black community that is proudly homophobic—no way have as many gays died as blacks just for who they are, but isn’t it crazy to think they honestly don’t have any level of awareness of the many murders and maimings and beating that really have taken place?

      May 8, 2009 at 7:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Namaste 85
      Namaste 85

      @John Santos: I second that. Atleast someone else sees whats really going on.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chris
      Chris

      @John Santos:

      Couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m glad someone else had the energy to type it all out. ;-)

      May 8, 2009 at 7:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • stevenelliot
      stevenelliot

      Trust me black bigotry is as often seen against latinos as it is gays. Blacks want to be the ONLY recognized “special” minority.

      Pisses me off.

      “Don’t tread on my special rights territory”

      I really used to feel a bond with African Americans until prop 8. Now I just feel nothing.

      The god that they go to church to worship kept them in shackles for centuries. Thats the same god that wont set us free. But They cant see that corellation.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vernonvanderbilt
      vernonvanderbilt

      @John Santos: Co-sign.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @stevenelliot:

      “The god that they go to church to worship kept them in shackles for centuries. Thats the same god that wont set us free. But They cant see that corellation.”

      I completely agree with this part of your argument.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alejandro
      alejandro

      lex and john santos both have compelling arguments. i believe they’re both right. we’re both hated. differently so, but we are. we shouldnt be arguing on who is hated on more..
      its about being treated equaly.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • stevenelliot
      stevenelliot

      Im sorry I must refrase
      Blacks REFUSE to see a corellation, not cant see.

      One more thing. Lets harken back to 1960 when gays were off the civil rights radar. Religious vitriol was spewed from the pupit against blacks= pasages from the bible.

      Back then it was the tower of babel. man was dispersed and given different languages and skin color because god wanted the races separate.

      Back then it was abraham owed slaves so it was ok

      Blacks and gays share a common enemy, bigots quoting the bible

      they refuse to see this, WHY?

      Im oversimplyfying for space but you get my drift?

      May 8, 2009 at 7:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @John Santos:

      Wrong answer about Pams House Blend. She has archives and archives and archives on black homophobes who stir up gay hate in the black community.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @stevenelliot:

      You are exactly right about this.

      Over on another blog, one black homophobe even tried to rationlize slavery. I kindly sent to her the phrase in the Bible that specifically not only condone slavery but instructs the slave on how to think of and treat the master. It was sad that she…I will say she refused to see the correlation.

      But…

      There are also many blacks who do see the correlation. Including myself. Of course.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @John Santos: Who are all these actors and athletes that are “mine”? I’m not an actor nor am I an athlete, what do I have to do with them?

      My point is there’s no comparison between being gay and being black.

      @stevenelliot: That’s a bunch of crap. “Black bigotry”? Since when are only black people bigots?

      I guess black people are the majority in the US and the only ones voting against gay marriage.

      May 8, 2009 at 8:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • stevenelliot
      stevenelliot

      @Lex: Black people are not the only bigots, yes you are correct. Plenty of white, homosexual bigots also.

      But that has very little to do with what I said

      May 8, 2009 at 8:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @stevenelliot:

      Do you mean that white people don’t have the luxury to hide their bigotry under the cover of the color of their skin and and accusations of racism when someone points it out to them? (“I can’t possibly be homophobic and discriminated, I’m black?”)

      If that’s what you are saying, I agree with you.

      May 8, 2009 at 8:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: What luxury? I’ve seen nothing but post after post full of negativity towards black people and how am I a black gay male supposed to feel while reading it?

      What black people do you see on this site being homophobic?

      Is homophobia being thrown in the faces of white people based on the color of their skin?

      I have yet to see anyone saying “The White Community is homophobic.”, “White people are homophobic.”, “Europeans are so homophobic.”. No one is attacking white people based on the color of their skin and yes I personally do feel attacked by many of these articles that are only based on brown skin and homophobia.

      May 8, 2009 at 8:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      Poor choice of words, my apologizes.

      But-and this is strictly my opinion-and I am African American- conversations do very often turn into the Oppression Olympics. I feel personally attacked too but do you feel as personally attacked when African Americans are homophobic and hurl the “f” word at you or use the excuse that I am black and I believe in the Bible so I can’t possibly be homophobic because I am following God’s word OR I am black so I can’t discriminate?

      I have had that card pulled on me more times than I can count.

      And some portions of “the white community” can be extremely homophobic. After all, the Bridgeport section in Chicago isn’t a very…uh, accepted place to be gay. Or Black, for that matter.

      Just the same some portions…OK, many portions of “the black community’ (I hate that word, by the way) can be virulently homophobic too. But it has to be conditioned for other factors.

      My philosophy is any black gay person needs to call out the homophobia in black communities as much (if not more) than racist gays in the gay community are called out, that’s all.

      May 8, 2009 at 9:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • stevenelliot
      stevenelliot

      @Chitown Kev: wel yes and no.

      Two victims of the same bully should be friends.
      The enemy of my enemy is my friend

      Why is this not so with blacks and gays???

      I agree that gay blacks should call out homophobia, but the heterosexual black community I believe thinks that gayness is a “white” disease. Latinos have this same mind-set.

      There are so many more ‘out’ white people than the other races, no wonder they think its a white disease.

      BTW that nut case who runs Iran said homosexuality was a “disorder of the west” saying there were no homosexuals in Iran.

      May 8, 2009 at 9:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @stevenelliot:

      Yeah, I don’t get why “gays” and “blacks” are not friends, even though they have been in the past. After all, the dominant culture would like nothing better than to kill us both, quite frankly.

      It would be nice that instead of posting all of this race baiting bullshit that the queerty editors cull together some of the comments from this and the other threads and just have a conversation abt. race. Just among us gays.

      And Steven, can you break down Latino for me? Because that can include some extremely varied culture. Dominicans and Puerto Ricans, for example, get along well with blacks a lot of times and I’ve lived in predominately Puerto Rican communities before. No one gave me any problems.

      Immagrant Latino cultures on the other hand…there are major issues…

      May 8, 2009 at 9:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: I would be the first to stand up and say that someone is wrong for using F**, but for example in the case of Mike Epps people started using N***** right off the bat. I ended up siding with Epps.

      I’m my own person first, black second, gay takes a backseat. If I see someone being racist gay goes out the window and I’m more pissed about the racism which is also directed at me before the gay slur which could have been aimed at anyone in general.

      I’m not as affected by gay slurs as I am by racial ones. The history and pain of one is far greater than the other. People have called me a F** since middle-school and it’s never bothered me. They didn’t even know I was gay they were just trying to belittle me and it didn’t work.

      I can’t look at all gay people as being my family so F** just doesn’t have the power or hurt that N***** does.

      I’m usually on board against homophobia until I see racism thrown around AND(this is what really gets me) the continual ignoring of white homophobia. Recently it’s been black this and black that. Just like there are more white gay people in America than anyone else, there are more white bigots in America than anyone else, that just comes with being the majority. It drives me crazy that people can go on and on about blacks as if we’re the majority.

      Black people don’t even make up 50% of the country’s population. Even if every straight black person in the country was for gay marriage it wouldn’t be enough to sway the vote. So why the focus on blacks?

      Are white people exempt from homophobia because they don’t know what it’s like to be discriminated against?

      Furthermore no white gays seem to care about racism or even speak out about it when they see it. So why should I be up in arms about the word F** when I have other things to be concerned about first?

      Gay Marriage could be allowed in all 50 states and I’d still be living with racism. White gays would be living in bliss and we black gays would still be dealing with racism from all sides.

      I’ll give support when I feel I’m getting support. I won’t help those who refuse to help me or even acknowledge my presence unless they want or need something.

      May 8, 2009 at 10:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      “Furthermore no white gays seem to care about racism or even speak out about it when they see it. So why should I be up in arms about the word F** when I have other things to be concerned about first?”

      NO white gays, Lex? Really. Thanks for just stereotyping every white gay in America. That is just so wrong and it needs to be called out.

      or maybe the only white gays you know are in the blog world.

      And would every white gay person be living “in bliss?” As you should know, discrimination does not stop with the passage of civil rights laws.

      Those statements of yours are complete bullshit, Lex.

      May 8, 2009 at 10:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      And I don’t think “white homophobia” is “ignored” either. I didn’t see any protests in front of African American churches in California after the passage of Proposition 8. I saw protests in front of Mormon temples, Catholic churches, and Saddleback. All “white churches.”

      Just because it’s not called “white homophobia” doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s not recognized as such even if it’s not labeled as such.

      May 8, 2009 at 10:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Lex:

      Who are all these actors and athletes that are “mine”? I’m not an actor nor am I an athlete, what do I have to do with them?

      Your people; your race; your ethno-centric peer group. Is that clear enough?

      My point is there’s no comparison between being gay and being black.

      If you can’t see the comparison, then you’re blinded by your own bigotry.

      Tell me, when was the last time a black person was lynched for being black? When was the last time a gay person was lynched for being gay?

      You’re right, Lex, there is no comparison between black and gay–we are the oppressed and you, along with every other race, have become our oppressors.

      I appreciate that you have decided you are black first and gay second, however, why should we take your cries for rage against racism when you have admitted you will not rage against anti-gay slurs?

      May 8, 2009 at 11:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Lex:

      I’ll give support when I feel I’m getting support. I won’t help those who refuse to help me or even acknowledge my presence unless they want or need something.

      And I refuse to give you support, when you put strings on supporting others. Gays busted their asses during the Civil Rights era. Have you forgotten about that. Did you even know about that? Your entire argument, Lex, comes down to, “What have you done for me lately?” It’s apparent that we will never be able to do enough to satisfy some members of the queer community.

      You’re welcome to disown us, Lex. Let’s see how much love you get from Jesse Jackson.

      May 8, 2009 at 11:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • stevenelliot
      stevenelliot

      @Chitown Kev: I guess I am refering to central american latino immigrants.

      I live in southern california so that usually refers (here) to central americans

      May 9, 2009 at 12:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chris_Yes that one
      Chris_Yes that one

      Ms Santos,

      Very good that you see so much HATE with Blacks. But no one else. Which goes to show YOUR agenda. That you don’t like Blacks. But hey that’s your choice and I personally don’t give a FLYING FUCK.

      Both sides have issue with each other.

      SO WHAT at this point!

      May 9, 2009 at 1:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @John Santos: How can I disown people who never included me in their group to begin with?

      May 9, 2009 at 2:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: No, they’re people in real life. People who won’t so much as respond back when spoken to, act as if I’m lost when I walk into “their” area, and call me closeted for not speaking in a high pitched squeal.

      I guess if you fit into the mold you can ignore the things that go on no matter what color your skin is.

      It’s not bullshit just because you don’t experience it.

      May 9, 2009 at 2:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SteveMD2
      SteveMD2

      @Brandon:

      the Real connection between the gay and black communities is that the same people who gave us slavery and segregation are the same white christian fundamentalists who, now that we have really totally trashed them with Pres. Obama’s election, are focusing their hatred “in the name of God”, on another group.

      Why – because their religion is really so totally corrupt that the only way they can gain adherents is to have someone to hate.

      Little different in degree that another scene in the 1920s and 1930’s in Germany, where a hate filled Catholic, in a society poisoned against the Jews by a millenia of Catholic church hatred, elected the man who gave us WWII, and 50 million deaths.

      And the only real difference, IMHO, between the black and the gay experience, is that by hiding who they are, every day, watching every word – try that for a while and see how it relaxes you – gays can avoid much of the same hatred and denigration that Blacks suffered here, also in the name of God, and per the bible of the white southern and independent ‘(anything but) christian churches.

      May 9, 2009 at 3:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SteveMD2
      SteveMD2

      Why are some of our black citizens opposed to gay equality?

      1. Having finally ended much of the overt hatred and segregation under which they suffered for so long, It is easy to understand how many Black people would be opposed to joining with another despised group. Human nature, but it really is a wrong decision.

      2. Gay people have historically been considered sissies. Black people = especially men – had their manhood denied, as expressed in the hate word “boy”. Same result as #1 above. And if you think gay men are sissies, sorry but you are missing something big time. They cover the range of machoism, jsut like any other group

      3. Black churches – the only thing and place where Black people had any dignity also for so long, tend to be conservative. It is natural reaction of people who have little, and are more desperate to keep what they have, then look forward to gaining what is rightfully theirs in terms of an equal place in society.

      Homophobia in the black community is also whipped up by the very same people and their descendants who gave us slavery and segregation, part of a divide an conquer strategy so if they can destroy gay political power (it is much too late for that fortunately) they can go back to rebuilding the KKK etc.

      Please, never forget that you have to ask whether the homophobic hands who reach out to you really want to destroy another group, so they can then turn their attention on our black populaiton.

      After the civil war, there was progress for blacks. But as the KKK grew, and the southern white churches regained power, by 1900, they had in much of the country poisoned the white populace and re-instituted “almost slavery” called segregation.

      And those same religious perverts dream of re-instituting it again. Just go look at any of the conservative blogs, and how they call President Obama a fascist, socialist, etc etc, and you should be able to understand that blacks are next, and a fundamental alliance is needed against these neo-nazi right wing republicans. An alliance of all oood people, including the gays.

      May 9, 2009 at 4:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @Lex:

      Wow at this thread…

      As for the rest, you said it best Lex.

      The unbound racism of John Santos, and the apologist rhetoric of the “queerty house negro”, are just sad.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      NO white gays is what you said, Lex. You called me on my statement and I agreed. Don’t think I am going to agree with you simply because you’re black. That is not my experience AT ALL. You didn’t say many or even most. You said NO white gay.

      @afrolito:

      Bitch you need to stop.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @John Santos:

      1) For the record the last lynching that occured, I believe, was in 1975 in Georgia. But for youto use lynching to compare the treatment of blacks and gays, john, is bullshit. And pretty sad.
      Just because there are laws on the books does not mean that discrimination stops or even that it has died down to a measureable extent. It’s simply in the batcave.

      2) The fact that you live in California actually explains much of your view on black-Latino relations (and your racism). Relations between Puerto Ricans and blacks…very different.

      @Lex:
      I never said that I don’t experience it. I said NO white gays is a pretty storng and stereotyped stement. I know people on this blog (and other blogs), white gay men, who work against racism.

      http://powells.com/biblio/17-9780896084742-0

      You might want to read this book too. This is one white gay person that exists that has worked against racisim. There are others if you are willing to open your eyes just a bit.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Lex:

      How can I disown people who never included me in their group to begin with?

      How can we work with a people who never included us in their group to begin with?

      May 9, 2009 at 9:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Chitown Kev:

      1) For the record the last lynching that occured, I believe, was in 1975 in Georgia.

      And the last lynching of gay people was in:

      June 18, 2004, police in Montego Bay are reported to have stood by and watched a crowd lynch a Gay man to death (Victor Jarett)

      Arthur “J.R.” Warren was murdered in Grant Town, W.Va., in the early hours of July 4…Warren, a 26-year-old African American gay man who lived with disabilities, was brutally beaten and kicked to death by white youths. The killers threw Warren’s body into the trunk of a car and drove about a mile outside of town. They dropped his body in the middle of the road and repeatedly drove over him to make the lynching look like a hit-and-run accident.

      In June of 1998, a sadistic murder of a middle-aged black man from Jasper, Texas, rekindled memories of lynching practices from the blood stained American past. James Byrd, Jr., 49, was beaten savagely to the point of unconsciousness, chained to the back of a pickup truck by his neck, and dragged for miles over rural roads outside the town of Jasper. It is believed that Byrd survived through most of this experience, that is, until he was decapitated.

      LONDON, July 21 – Two gay teenagers were publicly executed in Iran on 19 July 2005 for the ‘crime’ of homosexuality. The youths were hanged in Edalat (Justice) Square in the city of Mashhad, in north east Iran. They were sentenced to death by Court No. 19.

      But for you to use lynching to compare the treatment of blacks and gays, john, is bullshit. And pretty sad.

      As shown above, lynching of gays is common. What’s sad is your ignorance of it.

      Just because there are laws on the books does not mean that discrimination stops or even that it has died down to a measureable extent. It’s simply in the batcave.

      Are you saying that gays are not discriminated against? How many politicians argue that blacks deserve fewer rights than whites? How many politicians are fighting to stop inter-racial marriages? How many politicians campaign on limiting the freedoms of black people? For decades black Americans have been raised to believe they are the only minority and only victims of discrimination, that they are enraged that there are a new group of down-trodden players on the stage.

      The day I see a gay rapper rapping about killings straights and then get a Grammy for their work, and an Hollywood movie about their life, I’ll agree that we have come a long way.

      2) The fact that you live in California actually explains much of your view on black-Latino relations (and your racism). Relations between Puerto Ricans and blacks…very different.

      Who says I live in California? I live in Canada now, used to live in Boston.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      The unbound racism of John Santos, and the apologist rhetoric of the “queerty house negro”, are just sad.

      For your edification, afrolito, I’m a light brown skinned of Brazilian descent. I’ve been called beaner, wetback, spic and nigger. Don’t call me a racist, when all these black posters are being racist towards whites and anti-gay towards gays.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Chris_Yes that one:

      Very good that you see so much HATE with Blacks. But no one else. Which goes to show YOUR agenda. That you don’t like Blacks.

      If you had bothered to read my comment you have seen this in comment number 40:

      You’re right, Lex, there is no comparison between black and gay–we are the oppressed and you, along with every other race, have become our oppressors.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @John Santos:

      1) My apologies that was Steve Elliot that lives in California.

      2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

      My bad. I thought that simply the hanging and the ripping off of the balls and the dick was “lynching.” At least as I understood it.

      3. Bitch, please. When have I ever said that gays are not discriminated against? In fact, any gay person that thinks discrimination will stop simply because there are laws on the books is a fool.

      And I am a black American and I wasn’t raised to believe any of what you suggest.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @John Santos:

      And as far as me (and I will speak for myself) and my tolerance of anti-gay slurs and homophobia, I’ll personally give you the phone numbers of someof my homophobic family members. You can also tell them thT I said hello, since I haven’t spoken to them recently.

      John, you are just as bad as Lex.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • omghi2u
      omghi2u

      @Lex:
      @afrolito:

      I love both of you so much. The blatant racism here is crazy.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • shelby84
      shelby84

      @Brandon: Damn… that was beautiful

      May 9, 2009 at 11:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “For your edification, afrolito, I’m a light brown skinned of Brazilian descent. I’ve been called beaner, wetback, spic and nigger. Don’t call me a racist, when all these black posters are being racist towards whites and anti-gay towards gays.”

      I call major bullshit on that. You are a racist, and it drips from every one of yur foul posts in this topic. Your charge that their is racism towards whites is beyond ridiculous and insulting. You can’t even hide your agenda with logic and reason.

      May 9, 2009 at 12:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kid A
      Kid A

      @afrolito: For you to say that there is no racism toward whites is equally ridiculous. Do you honestly think that whites have a monopoly on racism?

      May 9, 2009 at 12:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chris_Yes that one
      Chris_Yes that one

      @ KID A

      I don’t believe they have a monopoly on it. But how did this all start????

      I’m sure you have the answer……

      May 9, 2009 at 1:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @Kid A:

      Racism is about holding and wielding ssytemic power.

      There are plenty of black people who dislike white people, but they don’t have the power to do anything about it. White people have ZERO history in this country (past or present) of being discriminiated against, dehumanized, brutilized, enslaved, or fetishized by black people.

      So no, my statement was not ridiculous, but yours failed the stress test for REALITY.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      When the woman on the clip claimed ‘you haven’t been lynched for being gay'(or words to that effect) the picture of Matthew Shephard immediately jumped into my mind.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      @afrolito: White people have ZERO history in this country (past or present) of being discriminiated against, dehumanized, brutilized, enslaved, or fetishized by black people.

      Unless, of course, you’re a Jew from Hymietown – Rev. J. Jackson

      May 9, 2009 at 1:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      whoops my bad, that was religious discrimination on his part.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @edgyguy1426:

      Oh puleeze…is that really the best you could come up with? Black people have never had a damn thing to do with the oppression of jews here or anywhere else. We never gassed them, deported them, or discrimiated against them. On the other hand, many of them participated in the enslavement of african people, as slaveholders in this country. FACT.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @edgyguy1426:

      No, it was ethnic, too. It’s not so simple disambiguating judaism from its ethnic and yes, even racial classifications given the history of antisemitism in the twentieth century.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      @afrolito: We never gassed them, deported them, or discrimiated against them.

      I would never dispute your last statement.
      “But is that the best you could come up with..” You said never and I gave you 1. I thought one disproved the ‘never’ arguement.

      May 9, 2009 at 2:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alicia banks
      alicia banks

      i really hated this show!!!

      the gaybashers slew the gays!…

      see more:
      http://aliciabanks.blogspot.com/

      peace
      ab

      May 9, 2009 at 2:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @edgyguy1426:

      “”But is that the best you could come up with..” You said never and I gave you 1. I thought one disproved the ‘never’ arguement.”

      You came up with nothing. One black man refering to jews as “hymies” or New York “hymie town” is not a pogram or sytematic assault on jews. Try again.

      May 9, 2009 at 2:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      but as to the original point, I do NOT think gay is the new black. Apples and oranges. Totally.

      May 9, 2009 at 2:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @edgyguy1426:

      You linking to a now debunked story from last november, does nothing to make your bogus case.

      May 9, 2009 at 2:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • The Milkman
      The Milkman

      With all this bitching and moaning about who wins the title of “Most Oppressed”, perhaps we can agree on at least a few things:

      Some whites are bigots. Some are not.

      Some blacks are bigots. Some are not.

      Some hispanics are bigots. Some are not.

      Some asians are bigots. Some are not.

      Some minority groups were enslaved in the United States 150 years ago. Some were not.

      There’s not much that we as a society can do about those things now. The abomination of slavery/Jim Crow and the bravery of the 1960s civil rights movement are, to one extent or another, our collective shame and shared triumph as Americans. What we can do is agree that most minority groups face discrimination, hatred, injustice, oppression, marginalization, dehumanization, inequality, and violence. These problems manifest themselves in different ways depending on the groups involved, but the core issues are similar.

      SteveMD2, in his insightful comment regarding the black church, makes a good point when he says that people who have little tend to want to safeguard what they have rather than risk their hard-earned gains by supporting others in their struggle. Of course, the Gosel of Luke tells us, through the parable of the widow’s mite, that the truly honorable thing to do is to be willing to sacrifice to help others who are struggling. But the chasm lying between those who are “Christians” and those who are “Christ-like” has always been vast, regardless of racial or cultural heritage. I just think that it’s important to point out these kinds of shortfalls when attempting to explain (if not quite rationalize) the role of the church in perpetuating unfair treatment of minorities.

      Brandon, in his beautiful post, summed it up perfectly. Gay isn’t the new anything… it isn’t new at all. It isn’t bad. It isn’t good, either. It’s just a normal variant of the human species, no more or less desirable than any other trait. Those who rail against GLBT equality are railing against a fundamental societal change that has already happened. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle. Those who live with the crushing fear that what little they have will be taken away somehow by the extension of equal civil and human rights to GLBT folks will, in the fullness of time, come to realize that their anxiety was baseless at best and harmful to society at worst. Until then, we must be vigilant in our slow, incremental progress toward equality. And we must work together, even if we disagree on some of the details.

      The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.

      May 9, 2009 at 2:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @The Milkman:

      Some minority groups were enslaved in the United States 150 years ago. Some were not.

      Only one racial group was enslaved in this country, and they were AFRICAN. I wasn’t aware that the bottom of slave ships were filled with other human cargo.

      Anyone of any ethnicity can be bigoted, but whites as a group hold the reigns of power, and by default ALL WHITES benefit from WHITE PRIVILEGE, by default. FACT.

      Black people are not holding gays down or oppressing them, regardless of the homophobic rhetoric often found in the black church, and gay white men constantly using that as a reason to express their own racism is becoming tiresome. It also excuses white homophobia, which is far more dangerous and powerful. Blacks make up barely a quarter of the population in this country, whereas whites are the overwhelming majority, yet we apparently hold the keys to the emancipation of gays everywhere. Who knew?

      May 9, 2009 at 2:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @afrolito:

      small disagreement to an otherwise fine post here, afrolito.

      some black people are holding gays down. They are the gays that also happen to be black. and for the most part black gays refuse to speak out about it.

      May 9, 2009 at 2:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @Chitown Kev:

      I’m black, and no one is holding me down. Homophobia is very real in every community. There is nothing peculiar or extra stinging about homophobia, so why the obsessive need to spaek about to the exclusion of all other groups?? Why not remove blacks from the planet completely, so a golde age of gay acceptance can be ushered in? Sadly you and I won’t be here to bask in the glow of love.

      May 9, 2009 at 3:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      @Chitown Kev: Well, not the only ones if you saw the John Stewart show post re: Marion Barry

      May 9, 2009 at 3:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      Can we get back to the main tyra question, because this is becoming a viscious circle with no conclusion- the jews were enslaved in Egypt, blacks were enslaved in America and oppressed today, gays are oppressed by religious groups.. to argue who has been oppressed more or enslaved longer is veering off the path of whether the Advocate was right in declaring Gay the new Black

      May 9, 2009 at 3:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • The Milkman
      The Milkman

      @Afrolito

      Again, there’s nothing anyone can do about the horrific injustices of the past, other than to work diligently to ensure that it never happens again, and to work to fulfull America’s promise of equal justice under the law. No, we’re not there yet. But we have to work toward that goal together.

      Bigotry is not only tiresome, it is utterly unacceptable. It doesn’t matter what color the bigot is… the stench is the same.

      Gay is not the new black. Nothing is the new black. But to ignore the commonalities between the two struggles deprives both communities of strong and committed allies.

      May 9, 2009 at 3:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @edgyguy1426:

      DO NOT get me started on Marion Barry, please.

      @afrolito:

      No one is holding me down either. And I would love to take some people to some “ethnic white” communities like Bridgeport in Chicago, maybe Hamtramack in Michigan. Or Poland or Russia or even Italy.

      May 9, 2009 at 3:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Rick
      Rick

      @alejandro:

      VERY TRUE

      May 9, 2009 at 3:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      @Chitown Kev: Don’t get ME started on Bridgeport (ugh!)

      May 9, 2009 at 3:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D.C.
      D.C.

      I wrote a pretty lengthy post and then a virus (too much porn viewing) froze the computer. So instead of repeating myself, I’ll just direct everyone here to the best posts . If one conflicts with the other it is because there are some posts I completely agree with and others I agree with overall but have one or two disagreements with.

      1. @Brandon:

      2. @Matthew Rettenmund:

      3. @Lex:

      4. @SteveMD2:

      5. @Chitown Kev:

      6. @The Milkman:

      7. @afrolito:

      And although I referred to and recommended Lex’s and Afrolito’s posts, I think they, along with (especially) John Santos and StevenElliot are being idiots on this thread. I say “being idiots on this thread” because sometimes Afrolito can be insightful but I think he misses the mark here and terribly. It isn’t about being black first and gay second, its about whether you’re willing to allow ANYONE deny you the human dignity you deserve just because you share one genotype/phenotype with them. The enemy of your enemy will never be your friend.

      May 9, 2009 at 4:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @D.C.:

      Childish namecalling is so gradeschool. Perhaps you’re the one missing the mark, since nowhere in anything i’ve written, have I given a pass to ANYONE denying people their human dignity.

      May 9, 2009 at 4:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      I call major bullshit on that. You are a racist, and it drips from every one of yur foul posts in this topic. Your charge that their is racism towards whites is beyond ridiculous and insulting. You can’t even hide your agenda with logic and reason.

      Afrolito, your standard reply to every post about racism–and the ones you erroneously believe are about race–is to accuse white gays of being racists towards all black Americans.

      Blacks have spent decades being told they are the only minority–by white liberals; by politicians; by your churches; and from each other.

      Yet no other group in America has had more advantages HANDED to them. You have the Civil Rights Act; Affirmative Action; race quotas in education and employment; fair housing laws; protection from the federal government with hate crimes.

      And you have SQUANDERED those opportunities. All you’ve got to show for the last 50 years is rappers talking about bitches and ho’s; the Crips and Bloods; fatherless families, single parent families and unmarried mothers of multiple children with multiple men; The Wayans Brothers; and Down Low culture.

      You have been able to get away with laziness; ignorance; violence; bigotry; sexism; and crime like no other group in the free world.

      Excuse me for thinking that gay men are far smarter than the average American male. Forgive me for thinking that as a black queer you’d be able to stride three separate worlds–straight, black, and queer–and have a insight that no one other of us could ever hope to posses. Forgive me for foolishly believing that posters in your similar situation would be able to bring thoughts and opinions to these types of debates that are far superior than those presented by others.

      You’ve fallen into Jesse Jackson; Johnny Cochran; Rev. Al Sharpton territory with your reply to me. You’re just like every other angry black man in America, who blames all his ills on the evil blond haired blue eyed devil. Except, this person isn’t blond haired, or blue eyed.

      I didn’t make you black, I didn’t make you gay and I didn’t own your ancestors. You want to see me as the enemy? Fine. But having me–and people like me–for enemies is your down fall. Because when gays like me start coming of age; and we take our personal wealth and start using it to hire lobbyists and lawyers to barnstorm the US gov’t to get the changes we want; don’t be surprised if you’re not welcomed to the after party. Because nothing will change–you’ll still be complaining that black people are working in the kitchen, that the white waiter didn’t want to suck your dick in the men’s room, and that there weren’t enough black faces at the head table. You’ll never change and I certainly can’t help you with that.

      You can’t even hide your agenda with logic and reason.

      You’ve never provided a shred of evidence to back up your claims, afrolito. Your replies are the very antithesis of logic and reason.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      You came up with nothing. One black man refering to jews as “hymies” or New York “hymie town” is not a pogram or sytematic assault on jews. Try again.

      Rev. Louis Farrakhan

      The Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan recently likened the plight of black Americans to that of the Palestinians, noting blacks “were in the same position.” Farrakhan also exaggerates the Jewish role in slavery, and once called Hitler a “great man” and Judaism a “gutter religion.”

      Rev. Al Sharpton:

      Jackson’s acolyte, Al Sharpton, once referred to Jews as “diamond merchants.” In 1991, Sharpton turned the death of a black child in a traffic accident in Brooklyn, involving a Hasidic Jew, into a racial incident. Sharpton led 400 protesters through the Jewish section of Crown Heights. There were four nights of rock- and bottle-throwing, and a young Talmudic scholar was surrounded by a mob shouting, “Kill the Jew,” and was stabbed to death.

      And black anti-semitism is not new:

      Few people ever heard of Liberator, a monthly magazine aimed at black nationalists, until Writer James Baldwin and Actor Ossie Davis gave it some recent notoriety. Both resigned from the staff with a blast at Editor Daniel Watts. “I think it is immoral,” said Baldwin, “to blame Harlem on the Jew.” Said Davis: “This is where I get off.”

      Ever since it was founded in 1960, Liberator has been building up to antiSemitism. From white-baiting, it passed to the baiting of moderate Negroes and finally to Jew-baiting. Jewish merchants exploit Harlem Negroes, screams Liberator; Jewish liberals have sold out the civil-rights movement.

      What have Jews done for black people?

      Fact: Jews helped to fund Booker T. Washington’s Tuskegee Institute. Washington asked Julius Rosenwald – a Jewish trustee of Tuskegee – to help, not only with higher education, but also with Southern black elementary schools. Rosenwald funded the building of 5,300 black schools across the South.

      Fact: The black monthly magazine Emerge asked people to assess the following statements: Do blacks complain about racism? Do blacks stick to themselves? Do blacks prefer welfare? Are blacks less ambitious, too loud and pushy, not as hardworking, not as honest, have too much power in the U.S.? In every case, Jews were the least likely of any group to answer “true” to those statements. Jews showed less racism toward blacks than any other group.

      Fact: In 1984-85 and 1991, Israel airlifted 20,000 black Ethiopian Jews from persecution and famine in Africa.

      Fact: During the 1960s, many white Northerners worked as “freedom fighters,” risking their lives to come to the South and encourage blacks to vote. In 1964, of those whites who went to Mississippi to register blacks to vote, three-quarters were Jews.

      Fact: Unlike any other group in America, as Jews become more affluent they do not leave the allegedly “pro-minority” Democratic Party and defect to the “pro-wealthy” Republicans. So despite the growing wealth of Jews and the high-tax policies of Democrats, Jews remain in the party out of a sense of empathy, sensitivity and compassion for those less fortunate.

      Fact: Jack Greenberg, a Jewish lawyer, was an important legal strategist in helping the NAACP in Thurgood Marshall’s Brown v. Board of Education case, which struck down the doctrine of separate but equal. (When Greenberg tried to teach a civil rights course at Harvard, students protested, arguing a black man should teach the course!)

      Fact: 30 percent of Muslims in America today are black, some embracing the religion in order to reject “Western Civilization, culture and religion.” Many blacks also give their kids Arabic-sounding names. But most blacks don’t know that Arab slavers brought more slaves to South America and to the Middle East than European slavers brought to North America. In “Conquests and Cultures,” Thomas Sowell writes, “By the time the Europeans discovered the Western Hemisphere at the end of the 15th century, Muslim merchants already dominated the slave trade in West Africa, as they did in East Africa and North Africa. The Islamic jihads of the 18th and 19th centuries created new Muslim states in West Africa, which in turn promoted enslavement on a larger scale. Altogether, between 1650 and 1850, at least 5 million slaves were shipped from West Africa alone.” And while slavery ended in the West, says Sowell, “In some Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East, slavery lasted even longer. Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, and Sudan continued to hold slaves on past the middle of the 20th century.”

      Fact: When Sidney Poitier accepted his honorary award from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, he rattled off a list of persons who stuck their necks out for his career, many of whom were Jews.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @John Santos: Thanks for being the poster-boy for White Gay Racism. You should write a book so I can pass it around to those who don’t get just how nasty and racist some ‘people’ are.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @John Santos:

      Uh, I don’t think that black Americans had whatever civil rights that they have “handed to them.” That’s bullshit and it’s racist and you know that John…

      And you are of Brazilian descent? Were you born there? Because there is a hellyfying amount of racism in Brazil.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      And you still bring nothing to the table beyond your own racism.

      You have countered NOTHING i’ve said…

      May 9, 2009 at 5:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Some minority groups were enslaved in the United States 150 years ago. Some were not.

      All people who enslaved were able to marry. All homosexuals were not.

      Only one racial group was enslaved in this country, and they were AFRICAN. I wasn’t aware that the bottom of slave ships were filled with other human cargo.

      Two racial groups sold people into slavery–the white Colonists and African tribes. But only one group continues to sell slaves today. Care to guess which one, afrolito?

      Slavery in Africa continues today. Slavery existed in Africa before the arrival of Europeans – as did a slave trade that exported millions of sub-Saharan Africans to North Africa, the Middle East, and the Persian Gulf.

      In Niger, where the practice of slavery was outlawed in 2003, a study found that almost 8% of the population are still slaves.

      Sudan has seen a resurgence of slavery since 1983, associated with the Second Sudanese Civil War.

      IRIN (Integrated Regional Information Networks) of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports children being sold to Arab herdsmen in Chad.

      Anyone of any ethnicity can be bigoted, but whites as a group hold the reigns of power, and by default ALL WHITES benefit from WHITE PRIVILEGE, by default. FACT.

      First off, provide links to these facts you keep writing about.

      Secondly, I have met black people who are millionaires and white people who live in abject poverty. Who is benefiting from white privilege in those situations, afrolito?

      Black people are not holding gays down or oppressing them,

      Regardless of who is to blame, the African-American community (and black communities around the world) does have an issue — a deep rooted and as yet very much unresolved one – with homosexuality that needs to be addressed.

      Discussions about homosexuality within the black community still often revolve around homophobic attitudes, often couched in and absolved by references to religion and the Bible. We often hear, from young and old, about sin and Sodom and Gomorrah in conversations about homosexuality. Using religion is a good way for people uncomfortable with homosexuality to shut down discussion: after all, how do you argue with the Bible? Preaching the Bible is fine, but it does nothing to address the very pressing issues that our black lesbian and gay community members face.

      Our issue with homosexuality is also partly about our own struggles and conflicts over black masculinity and femininity. Whilst black people often complain about the images of black men and women that have been forced upon us and perpetuated through the media, we also struggle with our own ideas about what it means to be a black man or woman. Unfortunately, there is little room for homosexuality within any such discussions.

      “No homo,” a phrase popularized by rappers is one example of the issues surrounding black masculinity. Expressions of emotion or intimacy (particularly between two men), according to the “no homo” rule, is gay and therefore bad and it should be made known that said expression carries no homosexual connotations, hence the use of the phrase “no homo.”

      When intimacy and expression are equated in black popular culture, with being gay which is openly and unequivocally equated with being bad, what message does that send not only to gay black men and women about how they are viewed but to heterosexual men and women about how they express themselves?

      regardless of the homophobic rhetoric often found in the black church, and gay white men constantly using that as a reason to express their own racism is becoming tiresome.

      As has perpetual black victim-hood.

      It also excuses white homophobia, which is far more dangerous and powerful.

      Previous research found that African Americans have more negative attitudes toward homosexuality than their White counterparts. Education is associated with greater tolerance of homosexuals. Using 2004 General Social Survey data, the study examines whether race and education influence attitudes toward homosexuality. The results show that White Americans are more educated, tolerant of homosexuality, and willing to grant homosexual civil liberties than their African American counterparts. Both White and African Americans with higher educational attainments tend to more tolerant of homosexuality and more willing to grant homosexual civil liberties than the less educated. The results of the linear regression analyses suggest that both race and education have independent and significant effects on attitudes toward homosexuality in general. When it comes to attitudes toward homosexual civil liberties, two-step regression analyses show that the differences between White and African Americans are due to differences in levels of educational attainment.

      Blacks make up barely a quarter of the population in this country, whereas whites are the overwhelming majority, yet we apparently hold the keys to the emancipation of gays everywhere. Who knew?

      It’s not so much that “straight” men of Morehouse are uncomfortable with the gay lifestyle, but more so because it is constantly and quite robustly thrown in their face. Does being a gay man include adopting the traits of a woman? Because if that’s the case, there’s a more fitting school, and it’s called Spelman College.

      I’m all for being who you are. If you like women, go on and date women. If you like men, be my guest and date men. But if you are born a man, you should be just that–a man. If I have to look twice to tell if I’m looking at a man or woman on an all-male campus, then something is tragically wrong.

      At this rate, Morehouse College may find itself in a difficult situation. What happens if and when one of our gay Morehouse brothers decides to go the next step and undergo a sex-change operation, and is then physically considered to be a woman? Does Morehouse have the right to ask that student to leave?

      Now of course such a process is not likely to succeed, however something must be done before Morehouse College, an all “male” Black institution, becomes something quite the opposite in the years to come.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @afrolito:

      You really are a one trick pony. WHenever you’ve been painted into a corner, you pull the race card. That’s the height of your debate acumen. You homophobe.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @TANK: And you’re a child.

      Nice job calling gay people who won’t back your racist views homophobes.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “You have been able to get away with laziness; ignorance; violence; bigotry; sexism; and crime like no other group in the free world.”

      That right there said it all about you and your hateful racism. You have revealed your true face, and it’s pretty ugly.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @TANK:

      “You really are a one trick pony. WHenever you’ve been painted into a corner, you pull the race card. That’s the height of your debate acumen. You homophobe.”

      Being called a homophobe by one of the resident racists is beyond rich.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @afrolito:

      Everyone is, apparently, a racist who is against homophobia according to you. LOL! Because after all, you think that gay rights are stupid…

      I think you’re a moron.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Lex:

      Thanks for being the poster-boy for White Gay Racism.

      And thank you for defending black homophobia. Next time a friend denies that black voters had any influence on the passing of Prop 8, I’ll just direct them to this post. if black queers are this anti-gay, just imagine how anti-gay black straights are.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Lex:

      And you’re without argument. Just empty accusations.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Chitown Kev:

      That’s bullshit and it’s racist and you know that John…

      Yes, yes. Everything is racist. Black olives in cans are racist. Devil’s food cake is racist. Asphalt is racist.

      And you are of Brazilian descent? Were you born there?

      My parents were, came to the US while my mother was pregnant and I was born in America.

      Because there is a hellyfying amount of racism in Brazil.

      Yes, much more than most black Americans could ever experience, nor handle.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      That right there said it all about you and your hateful racism. You have revealed your true face, and it’s pretty ugly.

      Disprove what I wrote, afrolito.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      And you still bring nothing to the table beyond your own racism. You have countered NOTHING i’ve said…

      What a pathetic reply! All you’ve proven is that you refuse to read anyone’s replies to your comments. Weak. I’ve destroyed your opinions and proven you wrong with facts. Accept it and learn from it, afrolito.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JustBinMe
      JustBinMe

      There are differences people! Please, don’t let your desire for gay rights equality blind you into thinking there aren’t! We all want equality, every minority of every type!

      Blacks could not hide the fact that they were black! Blacks were beated, raped, killed etc, just because of their skin color and the fact that they were alive! Not only were entire black families killed, but babies were often murdered!

      A black person can’t say to himself “from this day forward, I am going to live as a white man so I do not have to suffer the injustice of inequality, bigotry, racism etc”…

      It was society as a whole that oppressed black americans and still do to this day, simply because of their skin color. Women are oppressed every day, simply for their gender. And so on!

      We have to learn to fight the good fight based on our own merits, not by clinging to the coat tail of another minority!

      When you are black, you are black first, before anything else because of this.

      I find it hard to stomache, that we all want our voices heard and yet we try to stifle the voices of others, simply because the words and thoughts expressed are different from our own.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @John Santos:

      “black queers” (with an invisble but understood “all” in front of that). Gee, thanks John.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “All people who enslaved were able to marry. All homosexuals were not.”

      WRONG

      Slave marriages were NOT legally recognized by any state in this country.

      “Two racial groups sold people into slavery–the white Colonists and African tribes. But only one group continues to sell slaves today. Care to guess which one, afrolito?”

      I said only africans were enslaved in this country. FACT
      Africans and muslims trading in slaves on the african continent has NOTHING to do with slavery in the americas past or present. Try again.

      “First off, provide links to these facts you keep writing about.

      Secondly, I have met black people who are millionaires and white people who live in abject poverty. Who is benefiting from white privilege in those situations, afrolito?”

      WHITE PRIVILEGE IS A FACT. Just because you have met black millionaires and poor whites, doesn’t negate that FACT. It’s a proven historical, and socio-scientific reality, studied and discussed for decades. Since you seem to love wikipedia, look it up for yourself. There are PLENTY of books on the subject.

      As for the rest, you continue to be full of shit. Blacks are no more virulently homophobic than any other group, and you, and your racist brethren on this site, can scream it from the top of your lungs, and it still won’t be true. All I read in your posts are the racist ramblings of a moron, who can’t see his ass from a hole in the ground. FACT

      May 9, 2009 at 6:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Lex:

      You should write a book so I can pass it around to those who don’t get just how nasty and racist some ‘people’ are.

      “Books are like kryptonite to a n*gger!”
      –Chris Rock

      Now am I racist for providing a quote from a black comedian complaining about how too many black Americans are proud of being ignorant?

      May 9, 2009 at 6:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “Disprove what I wrote, afrolito.”

      I already proved you were a racist….with your enthusiastic help of course.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @John Santos:

      With this quote by Chris Rock, you are getting a little warmer. You are still frigid, but warmer.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @afrolito: Don’t even pay him any attention.

      He ignored the fact that the slave trade is also going on in both Europe and Asia. He only wants to focus on people with brown skin as an excuse to hurl racism.

      Everything racists are claiming black people are doing worldwide is also being done by everyone of every other skin tone worldwide.

      Whites are still slave trading. Asians are still slave trading. Blacks are still slave trading.

      Whites have homophobes. Asians have homophobes. Blacks have homophobes.

      In parts of Europe and Asia gays are killed just for being gay. Just like in parts of Africa gays are killed just for being gay.

      What’s the focus of all this commentary on? Blacks. Why? Excuse for racism.

      Will they attack the whites in America who are in power to gain their civil rights? No, because they don’t look different from themselves. So nothing will change. Easier to attack those who look different and live on a different continent than to attack someone who looks like your mother or father.

      Hypocritical white gay racists who want to cry about withheld rights but won’t do what they have to do get them.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Slave marriages were NOT legally recognized by any state in this country.

      But they were able to jump the broom. And when Jim Crow laws came into effect, former slaves were permitted to marry in church. Now, haw many homosexuals were permitted to marry? First FAIL.

      I said only africans were enslaved in this country. FACT

      Nope. You wrote:

      Some minority groups were enslaved in the United States 150 years ago. Some were not.

      You said nothing about Africans, afrolito. Second FAIL.

      Africans and muslims trading in slaves on the african continent has NOTHING to do with slavery in the americas past or present. Try again.

      And I pointed out that even though white American ended slavery centuries ago, black Africans continue the tradition they started centuries ago. Third FAIL.

      WHITE PRIVILEGE IS A FACT.

      PROVE IT! See, I can shout too.

      Just because you have met black millionaires and poor whites, doesn’t negate that FACT.

      And just because you have met gay racists doesn’t make all gays racist.

      It’s a proven historical, and socio-scientific reality, studied and discussed for decades.

      Provide evidence to back up your points. Otherwise these are just your opinions, afrolito. Fourth FAIL.

      Since you seem to love wikipedia, look it up for yourself. There are PLENTY of books on the subject.

      Show your work, afrolito, just as I did mine.

      As for the rest, you continue to be full of shit.

      Pathetic reply from a bitter, small man.

      Blacks are no more virulently homophobic than any other group, and you, and your racist brethren on this site, can scream it from the top of your lungs, and it still won’t be true.

      Disprove what I wrote, afrolito.

      All I read in your posts are the racist ramblings of a moron, who can’t see his ass from a hole in the ground. FACT

      And all I see is a man so wrapped up in his own victim-hood,. he can’t see the bad that his race is perpetuating against each other, so much as others. Fifth FAIL.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: He’s not getting warm to a damned thing.

      Chris Rock knew he could appeal to white racists with his so called humor, then once he had enough money he backed off. Do you see him making racist ‘humor’ now? Only when he wants more money.

      Everybody Hates Chris is nothing like his previous racist background. He just played racist whites for fools and laughed his happy ass all the way to the bank.

      I personally can’t stand Chris Rock and think he’s a sellout, but he did what he had to to get that dollar, I’ll respect that much.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      I already proved you were a racist….with your enthusiastic help of course.

      And I’ve proven you’re intolerant. The difference is, one of these things is not like the other.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:
      Oh, he’s getting to something, Lex.

      Much of the underclass in the African American community doe not appreciate or value education, period. And if a kid values education and a love of book learning then there is the possibility of getting pelted with “You act so white” slurs.

      Been there and done that one.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Lex:

      What’s the focus of all this commentary on? Blacks. Why? Excuse for racism.

      The focus is this blog post, Lex. It was turned into a race war, where none existed.

      Hypocritical white gay racists who want to cry about withheld rights but won’t do what they have to do get them.

      How can we, when–by your own admission–so many minorities are working against us?

      Whites have homophobes. Asians have homophobes. Blacks have homophobes.

      In parts of Europe and Asia gays are killed just for being gay. Just like in parts of Africa gays are killed just for being gay.

      Don’t forget who worked quietly in the back ground so you could have your civil rights–hymies; honkies, queers and bitches.

      Of all the harangues you’ve posted here, Lex, this is by far your only intelligent post and one worth reading.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      See, I really don’t respect Chris Rock with getting his money on with white racists in that way. Even if in this particular instance of that quote, there is more than a grain of truth to it.

      Tyler Perry, ditto.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “Some minority groups were enslaved in the United States 150 years ago. Some were not.

      You said nothing about Africans, afrolito. Second FAIL.”

      Actually, I never said that hon. If you actually read what I said, you would have seen I was quoting someone earlier. Scroll back and read it again slowly. I said AFRICANS were the only group enslaved in this country. FACT

      EPIC FAIL FOR YOU john.

      “And I pointed out that even though white American ended slavery centuries ago, black Africans continue the tradition they started centuries ago. Third FAIL.”

      Slavery didn’t end centuries ago. FAIL….and when it did, it took a war to do it. FACT
      You claim to be brazillian, so you must know it continued in your country up to almost the 20th century. FACT

      And you’re still full of shit. Everything I wrote are facts that have been documented, written about, and discussed for decades. Facts that are part of the historical and cultural canon.

      You haven’t written anything to disprove, because it’s all nonsense based on your own racist world view. FACT

      The only bitterness spewed here is coming from you, and it’s increasingly clear that you’re the little man being eaten alive by racism. Sucks to be you.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Lex:

      Chris Rock knew he could appeal to white racists with his so called humor, then once he had enough money he backed off. Do you see him making racist ‘humor’ now? Only when he wants more money.

      You’ve officially gone off ’round the bend, Lex. Don’t bump your head on the way back.

      Christ, it feels like I’m entering in the Bizarro World every time I respond to one of the comments on this particular post.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: There are white kids like that too. Why do they get a pass? There are hispanic kids like that, as well as asian. Why are a few bad apples the face of blacks but no one else?

      That’s the reality for anyone living in terrible conditions. Have you seen the schools they’re given? They don’t even have books let alone learning materials. Why would they have an active interest in learning when they’re not given the funding to learn? Outdated information in a book that’s falling apart and has to be passed around the class isn’t exactly captivating to anyone.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @John Santos: Whatever you say, kiddo. Sounds like you’re having fun playing pretend on the internet.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @Lex:

      There’s no pretending he’s stupid and racist. There’s no doubt about that.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      I said AFRICANS were the only group enslaved in this country. FACT

      Yes and you claimed it was at the hands of Jews. I demonstrated that was patently false.

      and when it did, it took a war to do it. FACT

      Started by a white man and fought by white menDo you even know who John Brown is?

      You claim to be brazillian, so you must know it continued in your country up to almost the 20th century. FACT

      Yes, just as it continues today in many other countries, including Africa.

      And you’re still full of shit. Everything I wrote are facts that have been documented, written about, and discussed for decades. Facts that are part of the historical and cultural canon.

      Provide them.

      You haven’t written anything to disprove, because it’s all nonsense based on your own racist world view. FACT

      The lazy way out of backing up your opinions, Afrolito.

      The only bitterness spewed here is coming from you, and it’s increasingly clear that you’re the little man being eaten alive by racism.

      Considering the staggeringly incoherent and rage filled comments you’ve been leaving, Afrolito, if anyone is being consumed by their hate it’s you.

      Sucks to be you.

      Really? I thought I was the recipient of white privilege, which according to you is the fountain from which all who don’t pass your color test drink from.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      There’s no pretending he’s stupid and racist. There’s no doubt about that.

      So says an anti-gay, anti-white bigot who refuses to back up his opinions with facts.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      Of course there are. But white kids don’t get hit with anti-white slurs, either. And not every African American kid lives in or goes to school in terrible conditions, either.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      I said AFRICANS were the only group enslaved in this country. FACT

      Are you sure?

      Alexander Stewart was herded off the Gildart in July of 1747, bound with chains. Stewart was pushed onto the auction block in Wecomica, St Mary’s County, Maryland. Doctor Stewart and his brother William were attending the auction, aware of Alexander being on that slave ship coming from Liverpool England. Doctor Stewart and William were residents of Annapolis and brothers to David of Ballachalun in Montieth, Scotland. The two brothers paid nine pound six shillings sterling to Mr. Benedict Callvert of Annapolis for the purchase of Alexander. He was a slave. Alexander tells of the other 88 Scots sold into slavery that day in “THE LYON IN MOURNING”.

      Jeremiah Howell was a lifetime-indentured servant by his uncle in Lewis County, Virginia in the early 1700’s. His son, Jeremiah, won his freedom by fighting in the Revolution. There were hundreds of thousands of Scots sold into slavery during Colonial America. White slavery to the American Colonies occurred as early as 1630 in Scotland.

      When White servitude is acknowledged as having existed in America, it is almost always termed as temporary “indentured servitude” or part of the convict trade, which, after the Revolution of 1776, centered on Australia instead of America. The “convicts” transported to America under the 1723 Waltham Act, perhaps numbered 100,000.

      The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master’s silver and china and then taking their place in colonial high society, were a minuscule fraction of the great unsung hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.

      Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America’s first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.

      Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands. Free Black property owners strutted the streets of northern and southern American cities while White slaves were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Sorry, Afrolito, I forgot to add:

      FACT and FAIL.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @John Santos:
      Question.

      How do you make afrolito out to be anti-gay? Granted, he has POV’s which I disagree with but I think that calling him anti-gay is a bit of a stretch.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “Yes and you claimed it was at the hands of Jews. I demonstrated that was patently false. ”

      I never said that anywhere in this topic. I said there were jews who were slaveholders, and that’s an absolute historical FACT. Nowhere did I say they were solely responsible. Now you’re just making shit up. FACT

      I know who John Brown is…do you really?

      As for the rest…

      I already provided you with all the tools you need for research, but judging from your intractible stupidity, I doubt it’ll be much help. Wikipedia can only take you so far. I suggest a good library, or enrollment in college. I really loved my stint at Bard.

      LMAO at me being incoherent and full of rage, when it’s been you john, in your zeal to dissect my every word, has resorted to just making shit up to bolster your weak arguments.

      Yeah it does suck to be you…..drowning in all that emasculation, and mis-directed hate.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: I didn’t live in terrible conditions, but I did go through a large amount of racist teachers out in Virginia from grade school through high school.

      One of my teachers senior year was the worst. He even went as far as to give the white children my password to the system’s login so they could attempt to get me in trouble. Things we did on the system were logged you see.

      So even if you don’t live in downright shitty conditions there’s the chance you’ll still run into much of the same. I hated school and I’ve been living in middle-class territory all of my life.

      I never ran into some odd amount of black children doing what you’re saying, either. Like I said every group had bad apples. There were just as many white children breaking rules, not doing work, or overall disrupting classes or being nasty as black.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Chitown Kev:

      How do you make afrolito out to be anti-gay?

      Black people are not holding gays down or oppressing them, regardless of the homophobic rhetoric often found in the black church, and gay white men constantly using that as a reason to express their own racism is becoming tiresome.

      It’s apparent that for Afrolito, and Lex, black comes first, gay comes a distant second.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      Hon, indentured servitude in colonial america and the enslavement of africans in the americas are not the same. I think even in your own epic stupidity, don’t believe that one.

      Should I break down the the vast differences for you??

      You continue to FAIL miserably, except in exhibiting your own lack of historical knowledge and blinding racism. FACT

      LMFAO!

      May 9, 2009 at 7:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos: @John Santos:

      “It’s apparent that for Afrolito, and Lex, black comes first, gay comes a distant second.”

      Is that really apparent? Is that the crux of your entire argument here?
      Who are you to define how I, or anyone else defines themselves?

      May 9, 2009 at 7:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      I never said that anywhere in this topic. I said there were jews who were slaveholders, and that’s an absolute historical FACT.

      You wrote:

      On the other hand, many of them participated in the enslavement of african people, as slaveholders in this country.

      You can try to qualify it all you want, Afrolito, but you accused Jews of being responsible for American slavery, while ignoring that fact that African tribes sold those very slaves to the white Colonists.

      I know who John Brown is…do you really?

      Yes.

      I already provided you with all the tools you need for research,

      You’ve provided nothing but your unsubstantiated opinion.

      Wikipedia can only take you so far.

      I have all the links to the facts I’ve provided available for you. Word Press won’t allow me to post more than one link in each reply.

      I suggest a good library, or enrollment in college. I really loved my stint at Bard.

      That you were permitted to graduate while demonstrating such poor debating skills, lack of evidence to back up your ideas and a wholly weak thought process speaks volumes about America’s post secondary schools.

      LMAO at me being incoherent and full of rage,

      Afrolito, crazy people don’t think they’re crazy; while accusing those around them of insanity. Read your comments again and look at the frothing hatred you spew at any and all.

      when it’s been you john, in your zeal to dissect my every word, has resorted to just making shit up to bolster your weak arguments.

      I’ve provided facts to counter your ridiculous and often times absurd opinions and ideas. You have provided nothing but amusement.

      Yeah it does suck to be you…..drowning in all that emasculation, and mis-directed hate.

      If one needs to remind others that one is a man, Afrolito, then one is not. Share that bit of wisdom with your “peeps”.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nickadoo
      Nickadoo

      I want to live in a world of equality where both racists and homophobes are viewed as the assholes they are, regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      I’m from Detroit and went to private and magnet schools much of my life. Predominantly black schools, actually. The hell that I would catch would be from my neighborhood(s) as opposed to at school.

      At my schools there was little ot no racism. But…folks (black and white) didn’t think one second about throwing class privlege in your face, with an occasional bit of homophobia. And white and black kids caught that.

      @John Santos:
      I think my response to that statement is above but let me restate it: I make no distinction between the two categories. And while I think that some black people have, on the whole, done very little to white gay men, the injustices perpatrated by “the black community” on black gay people (when they acknowledge that we exist at all) is tremendous.

      And many black gay people have refused to speak out about it. Then when white gay people choose to speak out about it they are accused of being racist. Which may be true in a lot cases.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Nickadoo:

      yep.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      I’m not denying that I said jews participated in slavery in America. THEY DID….IT’S AN HISTORICAL FACT THAT THERE WERE JEWISH SLAVEHOLDERS IN THIS COUNTRY. Exactly what part of that is difficult for you to comprehend??

      When all of your other combacks have failed, you come back to that one…even when you clearly are incapable of getting it.

      My opinions are hardly “unsubstantiated”. Unlike you, I don’t have to rely on wikipedia, and the “cut and paste” option to present FACTS.

      Like I said, you’ve presented nothing here today, beyond your own racism and ignorance. For that i’m thankful, since for me, it’s been a fun ride watching you self destruct.

      LMFAO!

      May 9, 2009 at 7:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Hon, indentured servitude in colonial america and the enslavement of africans in the americas are not the same.

      Read the comment again, you disingenuous clod. It’s been quite clear that you don’t even take the time–nor courtesy–to read the replies that others post to your comments. That shows how childish and unthinking you are. Rather than taking the time to read through a reply, you glance over it and formulate your reply, without giving the poster the courtesy of examining their comment. I will repeat:

      The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master’s silver and china and then taking their place in colonial high society, were a minuscule fraction of the great unsung hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.

      Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America’s first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.

      You’re so wrapped up in perpetuating the black man’s burden, that you will ignore and dismiss the facts put before you, Afrolito.

      I think even in your own epic stupidity, don’t believe that one.

      Read the comment again, Afrolito and then try–desperately–to deny the truth.

      Should I break down the the vast differences for you??

      I’ll explain the similarities for you:

      Alexander Stewart was herded off the Gildart in July of 1747, bound with chains.

      Stewart was pushed onto the auction block

      aware of Alexander being on that slave ship

      The two brothers paid nine pound six shillings sterling…for the purchase of Alexander.

      He was a slave.

      You continue to FAIL miserably, except in exhibiting your own lack of historical knowledge and blinding racism. FACT

      And readers only need to read your posts to see how absolutely useless you are in defending your indefensible opinions, Afrolito. No need for me to point that out to you, or anyone.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Who are you to define how I, or anyone else defines themselves?

      Your words define you, Afrolito.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      Once again….

      There is a vast difference between indentured servitude and the enslavement of africans in the americas. Of course anyone with a pedestrian knowledge of american history (5th graders), could imeediately spout off the social, historical, economic, cultural, and racial differences.

      I guess the wikipedia entry left out all of that important stuff.

      Yeah….you continue to FAIL miserably in your mindless retorts.

      LMFAO!

      May 9, 2009 at 7:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “Your words define you, Afrolito.”

      They certainly do..

      Mine = coherent
      yours = not so much….but rather revelatory in their racism.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      I’m not denying that I said jews participated in slavery in America. THEY DID….IT’S AN HISTORICAL FACT THAT THERE WERE JEWISH SLAVEHOLDERS IN THIS COUNTRY. Exactly what part of that is difficult for you to comprehend??

      You can try to spin your anti-Semitism all you want, Afrolito. In trying to down play Jesse Jackson’s anti-Semetic remark, you painted Jews as being monstrous slave runners.

      When all of your other combacks have failed, you come back to that one…even when you clearly are incapable of getting it.

      My comments have done a fine job of correcting your ignorant ideas and providing facts in place of your opinions.

      My opinions are hardly “unsubstantiated”.

      You haven’t provided one fact to back up your opinions.

      Unlike you, I don’t have to rely on wikipedia, and the “cut and paste” option to present FACTS.

      If you used Wiki, that would at least be a refreshing change from what you’re using now to back up your arguments–which is nothing.

      Like I said, you’ve presented nothing here today,

      Nothing but facts. I understand you have no idea what those are, but hopefully you can learn. That you keep replying demonstrates that you want to learn and I’m more than happy to oblige you.

      beyond your own racism and ignorance.

      That means very little coming from you, Afrolito.

      “To be cursed by the devil, is to be truly blessed.”

      For that i’m thankful, since for me, it’s been a fun ride watching you self destruct.

      You’re coming apart at the seams, Afrolito. It’s sad to watch, but I hope you’ll eventually come around and realize that you are living a life of emotional futility.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      There is a vast difference between indentured servitude and the enslavement of africans in the americas.

      And once again, Afrolito:

      The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master’s silver and china and then taking their place in colonial high society, were a minuscule fraction of the great unsung hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.

      Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America’s first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.

      Of course anyone with a pedestrian knowledge of american history (5th graders), could imeediately spout off the social, historical, economic, cultural, and racial differences.

      Alexander Stewart was herded off the Gildart in July of 1747, bound with chains.

      Stewart was pushed onto the auction block

      aware of Alexander being on that slave ship

      The two brothers paid nine pound six shillings sterling…for the purchase of Alexander.

      He was a slave.

      You can try desperately to down play it all you want, Afrolito, but Africans were not the first slaves in America.

      I guess the wikipedia entry left out all of that important stuff.

      Your child-like wonder is delightful, Afrolito!

      Yeah….you continue to FAIL miserably in your mindless retorts.

      Great come back, Afrolito. What would that get you in college–C, C+?

      May 9, 2009 at 7:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      They certainly do..

      Mine = coherent
      yours = not so much….but rather revelatory in their racism.

      I don’t think coherent means what you think it means, as you apply it to your comments.

      As far as my being racist, that means little coming from the man who sees whites in every wood pile.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      There were jewish slaveholers. FACT
      How acknowledging that FACT, as anti-semitic is just your way of shutting down the discussion, since it’s not going your way. Unfortunately for you, that doesn’t work on me. Nice try, but as usual, it’s an EPIC FAIL for your wasted effort.

      If anyone is coming apart at the seams it’s clearly you, and everyone reading your diatribes can see it….except you of course.

      Like I said, you’ve brought NOTHING today, beyond your own twisted idiocy, and racism.

      Seriously, it’s really been fun to read.

      LMFAO!

      May 9, 2009 at 7:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JustBinMe
      JustBinMe

      @John Santos: “But they were able to jump the broom”

      The LGBT community have always had the ability to aquire and sell property, we’ve always had the ability to walk down the street without any harm (verbal or physical), we’ve always been able to sit anywhere we wanted, attend school, enter into public office, eat where we wanted and to make a fair living, etc…

      Our number one priority right now, is marriage equality…That is what we are fighting for! Somehow, in your little quote above, you managed to minimize the importance of that same right, for an entire race of people!!! You too, are able to “jump the broom,” are you happy with that????

      The blacks were fighting for their FREEDOM as a whole, not just a small segment of what we deem freedom!

      May 9, 2009 at 8:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @JustBinMe: Thank you so much! Amazing post. Very well said.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      There were jewish slaveholers. FACT

      And Jesse Jackson is anti-Semetic. Fact. Yet you downplayed his anti-Semitism by branding Jews as slave traders. Jews were slaves too, sunshine. But that is another in the history of slavery you choose to ignore.

      How acknowledging that FACT, as anti-semitic is just your way of shutting down the discussion, since it’s not going your way.

      The debate wasn’t going your way when you blamed slavery on the JOOOS, in order to protect Jesse Jackson.

      Unfortunately for you, that doesn’t work on me. Nice try, but as usual, it’s an EPIC FAIL for your wasted effort.

      And accusing all and sundry of being racist is your method for taking any debate off onto a tangent based on race.

      If anyone is coming apart at the seams it’s clearly you, and everyone reading your diatribes can see it….except you of course.

      You have a tenuous grip on reality, Afrolito.

      Like I said, you’ve brought NOTHING today, beyond your own twisted idiocy, and racism.

      I’ve given you the best possible education you could imagine–and it cost your parents nothing.

      Seriously, it’s really been fun to read.

      I’m happy I was able to enlighten you, Afrolito. Hopefully you’ll stop seeing anyone who fails your particular paper bag test as the enemy.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      LMFAO! @ you actually reaching back thousands of years to bring up jewish enslavement in Egypt!

      As far as Jesse goes, I never excused his “alleged” anti-semitism, and i’ll give you a thousand bucks if you can find where I did. Tick tock…FAIL

      Whether he is or not, is of no concern to me, as he has ZERO power, and doesn’t speak for me just because we share a common ancestry. CHECK

      By all means continue to give all of us the gift that keeps on giving. LMFAO!

      May 9, 2009 at 8:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @JustBinMe:

      The LGBT community have always had the ability to aquire and sell property, we’ve always had the ability to walk down the street without any harm (verbal or physical), we’ve always been able to sit anywhere we wanted, attend school, enter into public office, eat where we wanted and to make a fair living, etc

      We were able to do all these things while living closeted, anonymous lives, often times in loveless marriages. Do you really believe we were free from violence? Do you really think queers have, “always had the ability” to do anything?

      Our freedom did not come to us overnight; it was not given to us by kind hearted straights. We fought for everything we have, with people battling us from all sides–including our own families. That you would downplay the amount of work our predecessors did to get us where are today is stupid.

      Our number one priority right now, is marriage equality…That is what we are fighting for!

      What? Have you been living under a rock? If you believe that our only fight right now is marriage then you have no business in this debate. Why don’t you go to Iraq and see what our lives were like 200 years ago.

      Somehow, in your little quote above, you managed to minimize the importance of that same right, for an entire race of people!!! You too, are able to “jump the broom,” are you happy with that????

      Slaves were able to jump the broom; they had the support of their families and friends. Queers had NOTHING. We could not marry, we could not BE homosexuals. That was the point of that comment; for everything that slaves did not have they had one thing that many of us, in 2009, do not have–the ability to marry the people they loved.

      The blacks were fighting for their FREEDOM as a whole, not just a small segment of what we deem freedom!

      Do you really believe that queers were free up until about 30 years ago? What history have you been reading? Name one point in history where queers had the middling freedoms we have today. No one owned queers, but we were NOT free. We were a disease; a plight; something to be exorcised of.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      I hope this is entertaining to you, John, because you realize that you’re not going to convince unthinking fundamentalists (and that’s primarily what I”m against: fundamentalism of any kind) like afrolito and lex who think it’s perfectly acceptable to not think or reflect and just label their opponnents racists, cheapening and trivializing a serious problem by wrongfully applying it.

      You’ve already got afrolito (and I think lex is afrolito, tbh) saying that gay rights are stupid, and anyone who dares criticize any person of color for any belief they hold a racist… It’s gotten to the point where one wonders if there’s any coherence at all to their understanding of social power and, more specifically, racism.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @TANK: We’re most definitely the same person. Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is the same person.

      Paranoid little boy. We’re hiding under your bed and in your closet. We’ll get you when you go to sleep.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Lex:

      You’ve got the mind of an infant. I know you can’t appreciate the irony.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      actually reaching back thousands of years to bring up jewish enslavement in Egypt!

      Oh, that’s right, Afrolito, I forgot African slaves are the only slaves that ever did, or ever will matter. Every other human being who has ever been enslaved is a pale–get it?–comparison to African slaves

      As far as Jesse goes, I never excused his “alleged” anti-semitism,

      Rev. Jesse Jackson referred to Jews as “Hymies” and to New York City as “Hymietown” in January 1984 during a conversation with a black Washington Post reporter, Milton Coleman. Jackson had assumed the references would not be printed because of his racial bond with Coleman, but several weeks later Coleman permitted the slurs to be included far down in an article by another Post reporter on Jackson’s rocky relations with American Jews.

      Oh those pesky facts always coming back to bite you on your ass. Damn them!

      and i’ll give you a thousand bucks if you can find where I did. Tick tock…FAIL

      Spelling errors and all:

      No. 69 · afrolito

      @edgyguy1426:

      “But is that the best you could come up with..” You said never and I gave you 1. I thought one disproved the ‘never’ arguement.”

      You came up with nothing. One black man refering to jews as “hymies” or New York “hymie town” is not a pogram or sytematic assault on jews. Try again.

      I could make a joke about your “tick tock” comment and CP time, but I’ll let it pass. You’re clearly humorless.

      Whether he is or not, is of no concern to me, as he has ZERO power, and doesn’t speak for me just because we share a common ancestry. CHECK

      So why did you defend him and lash out at Jews? You and he seem to share one thing in common–a predilection to blame all your woes on the JOOOOOOSS.

      By all means continue to give all of us the gift that keeps on giving. LMFAO!

      It’s cute when you’re cornered and lash out!

      May 9, 2009 at 8:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @TANK: Wow, I know you didn’t just really follow up with “I know you are, but what am I?”. Oh my God, thanks for the laugh. You really are out of material, kiddo.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Lex:

      It’s true, though…you’ve got the mind of a small child. You call people names who disagree with you…but, that’s all you do. You don’t address what they say. It’s ad hominem.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @TANK:

      I hope this is entertaining to you, John,

      Actually, TANK, it isn’t. It’s really like a train wreck, in that no one knows how it came to be, but here we all are starring at the wreckage.

      because you realize that you’re not going to convince unthinking fundamentalists (and that’s primarily what I”m against: fundamentalism of any kind) like afrolito and lex who think it’s perfectly acceptable to not think or reflect and just label their opponnents racists, cheapening and trivializing a serious problem by wrongfully applying it.

      I know. But the moment I stop responding to their ignorance and stupidity, they have won. I could be doing anything more interesting with my time than responding to them, but the moment we stop, they have won.

      It’s gotten to the point where one wonders if there’s any coherence at all to their understanding of social power and, more specifically, racism.

      Doubtful. Like I’ve already written, they were raised to believe they are the only down-trodden people in America. And when some new group comes along who might be bad off, they are attacked. That’s what Pro 8 was all about–minorities uniting to disenfranchise another minority, to keep their own minority status as the status quo.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @TANK: The laughs just keep on coming. You should do stand up this is great.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “So why did you defend him and lash out at Jews? You and he seem to share one thing in common–a predilection to blame all your woes on the JOOOOOOSS.”

      Where did I lash out at the joooos?? LMFAO at the idiocy of that one! I guess mentioning the fact that they were slaveholders is your definition of “lashing out”.

      And Jesse’s “alleged” anti-semitism is just that “alleged”.

      You haven’t corned anyone sweetie….except yourself. All of your EPIC FAILS and BOGUS FACTS have been dismissed, and the only thing you have left is Jesse Jackson and the jewish plight in ancient Egypt.

      LMFAO!

      May 9, 2009 at 8:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Lex:

      QED

      May 9, 2009 at 9:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      jEsse jackson was, and perhaps is still…an antisemitic pig. Al Sharpton (who at least is usually on the right side of things despite his mistakes…and is intelligent and funny) is ten times more palatable in just about every way. He’s smarter than jackson, and he’s more ethical in his public commitments to equality.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @TANK: You seem pretty lonely.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Lex:

      QED. Thank you for playing along.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Where did I lash out at the joooos??

      …discrimiated against them. On the other hand, many of them participated in the enslavement of african people, as slaveholders in this country.

      I disproved all of those points, Afrolito. Blacks have discriminated against Jews, and I provided the evidence. You lashed out at Jews by tarnishing them Jews as slave traders.

      LMFAO at the idiocy of that one! I guess mentioning the fact that they were slaveholders is your definition of “lashing out”.

      When it is followed after the defense of a black reverend who used ant-Semetic slurs; yes.

      And Jesse’s “alleged” anti-semitism is just that “alleged”.

      Proven with facts. I appreciate that you have no idea what a fact is, but if you read my comments, you’ll see what they are and how they are used to transform an opinion into a proven fact. Try it sometime and maybe your opinions will be taken as more than just childish rantings of an underdeveloped mind.

      You haven’t corned anyone sweetie….

      You’re getting tired, Afrolito! I’d say you were slipping, but you landed on your ass 100 comments ago :)

      All of your EPIC FAILS and BOGUS FACTS have been dismissed, and the only thing you have left is Jesse Jackson and the jewish plight in ancient Egypt.

      I’d make a comment about you needing two others with their hands over their ears and mouth to complete the well known trio that you are so clearly a part of, but you might misconstrue that analogy and consider it racist.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      I saw let them win, john. I’m done responding to them. It’s a hollow victory that would only appeal to idiots…and those without character.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      I’d make a comment about you needing two others with their hands over their ears and mouth to complete the well known trio that you are so clearly a part of, but you might misconstrue that analogy and consider it racist.

      HA HA HA

      May 9, 2009 at 9:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @TANK:

      Al Sharpton…is ten times more palatable in just about every way. He’s smarter than jackson, and he’s more ethical in his public commitments to equality.

      Very true! Watching, (hearing?) him speak is wonderful. I wish we had a queer Al Sharpton.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @John Santos:

      Well, he’s extremely gay friendly.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @TANK:

      I saw let them win, john. I’m done responding to them. It’s a hollow victory that would only appeal to idiots…and those without character.

      Yeah, I know what you mean. You know what they say about arguing on the internet being like the Special Olympics :)

      May 9, 2009 at 9:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @TANK:

      I guess we have Perez Hilton, what with the Carrie Prejean fiasco, but too many queers hate him.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @TANK:

      Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton…boy (and how did this thread get on this subject)? LOL

      I’ll take Sharpton over Jesse anyday of the week. It seems as if their careers went in 2 different direction. Jesses in the 1980’s I liked, lately not so much.

      That Tawana Brawley stuff of Sharpton’s was CRAZY and he can be a bit of a buffoon but he’s an awfully deep buffoon. On sexuality and other matters as well.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “I disproved all of those points, Afrolito. Blacks have discriminated against Jews, and I provided the evidence. You lashed out at Jews by tarnishing them Jews as slave traders.”

      You proved NOTHING sweetie. Here are the facts again…jews were involved in the slave trade, and were slaveholders in the americas. FACT

      You calling Jesse Jackson an anti-semite for calling jews “hymies”, is ZERO evidence that the millions of black people in america, and across the globe are discriminatory against jews. Jesse Jackson speaks for Jesse Jackson, and is representative on no one but himself. You do realize that painting all blacks as anti-semitic based on his comments is stereotyping an entire group of people right?? Kind of like how you get upset when white racism is called out. Hypocrite much??

      And i’m still laughing my ass off at you going all the way back to ancient egypt to find evidence of blacks holding jews in bondage. Never mind the fact that Egypt periodically goes in and out of africa in the minds of western academia. LMAO!

      Continue on though….it’s touching how you and the other resident troll racist are bonding over your shared delusions and ignorance. I guess it’s love at first sight…or is it?

      I seem to recall you claiming to be “brown”, and often called “wetback”. Perhaps Tank canmake an exception for you?

      LMFAO!

      May 9, 2009 at 9:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @afrolito:

      Ok, now even MY former Senator (and President of us all) has spoken out against anti-Semitism in black communities. Now as to whether blacks are, by and large, discriminatory in such a way to affect the livelihoods of Jews is another question.

      The Jewish-black relationship, though, is very, very, very complicated.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      You proved NOTHING sweetie.

      I’ve disproved every one of your absurd comments, Afrolito.

      Here are the facts again…jews were involved in the slave trade, and were slaveholders in the americas. FACT

      And how does something done by people during a dark part of American history negate the fact that Jesse Jackson is anti-Semetic and the black community has a history of anti-Semitism?

      You calling Jesse Jackson an anti-semite for calling jews “hymies”, is ZERO evidence that the millions of black people in america, and across the globe are discriminatory against jews.

      Once more down the rabbit hole, Afrolito:

      Rev. Louis Farrakhan

      The Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan recently likened the plight of black Americans to that of the Palestinians, noting blacks “were in the same position.” Farrakhan also exaggerates the Jewish role in slavery, and once called Hitler a “great man” and Judaism a “gutter religion.”

      And black anti-semitism is not new:

      Few people ever heard of Liberator, a monthly magazine aimed at black nationalists, until Writer James Baldwin and Actor Ossie Davis gave it some recent notoriety. Both resigned from the staff with a blast at Editor Daniel Watts. “I think it is immoral,” said Baldwin, “to blame Harlem on the Jew.” Said Davis: “This is where I get off.”

      Ever since it was founded in 1960, Liberator has been building up to antiSemitism. From white-baiting, it passed to the baiting of moderate Negroes and finally to Jew-baiting. Jewish merchants exploit Harlem Negroes, screams Liberator; Jewish liberals have sold out the civil-rights movement.

      Jesse Jackson speaks for Jesse Jackson, and is representative on no one but himself.

      So why did you defend his anti-Semitism and malign Jews who have done plenty for black Americans:

      Fact: Jews helped to fund Booker T. Washington’s Tuskegee Institute. Washington asked Julius Rosenwald – a Jewish trustee of Tuskegee – to help, not only with higher education, but also with Southern black elementary schools. Rosenwald funded the building of 5,300 black schools across the South.

      Fact: The black monthly magazine Emerge asked people to assess the following statements: Do blacks complain about racism? Do blacks stick to themselves? Do blacks prefer welfare? Are blacks less ambitious, too loud and pushy, not as hardworking, not as honest, have too much power in the U.S.? In every case, Jews were the least likely of any group to answer “true” to those statements. Jews showed less racism toward blacks than any other group.

      Fact: In 1984-85 and 1991, Israel airlifted 20,000 black Ethiopian Jews from persecution and famine in Africa.

      Fact: During the 1960s, many white Northerners worked as “freedom fighters,” risking their lives to come to the South and encourage blacks to vote. In 1964, of those whites who went to Mississippi to register blacks to vote, three-quarters were Jews.

      Fact: Unlike any other group in America, as Jews become more affluent they do not leave the allegedly “pro-minority” Democratic Party and defect to the “pro-wealthy” Republicans. So despite the growing wealth of Jews and the high-tax policies of Democrats, Jews remain in the party out of a sense of empathy, sensitivity and compassion for those less fortunate.

      Fact: Jack Greenberg, a Jewish lawyer, was an important legal strategist in helping the NAACP in Thurgood Marshall’s Brown v. Board of Education case, which struck down the doctrine of separate but equal. (When Greenberg tried to teach a civil rights course at Harvard, students protested, arguing a black man should teach the course!)

      Fact: 30 percent of Muslims in America today are black, some embracing the religion in order to reject “Western Civilization, culture and religion.” Many blacks also give their kids Arabic-sounding names. But most blacks don’t know that Arab slavers brought more slaves to South America and to the Middle East than European slavers brought to North America. In “Conquests and Cultures,” Thomas Sowell writes, “By the time the Europeans discovered the Western Hemisphere at the end of the 15th century, Muslim merchants already dominated the slave trade in West Africa, as they did in East Africa and North Africa. The Islamic jihads of the 18th and 19th centuries created new Muslim states in West Africa, which in turn promoted enslavement on a larger scale. Altogether, between 1650 and 1850, at least 5 million slaves were shipped from West Africa alone.” And while slavery ended in the West, says Sowell, “In some Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East, slavery lasted even longer. Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, and Sudan continued to hold slaves on past the middle of the 20th century.”

      Fact: When Sidney Poitier accepted his honorary award from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, he rattled off a list of persons who stuck their necks out for his career, many of whom were Jews.

      You do realize that painting all blacks as anti-semitic based on his comments is stereotyping an entire group of people right??

      And you do realize that if something is widespread throughout an group of people, that more likely than not, there is a correlation.

      Kind of like how you get upset when white racism is called out. Hypocrite much??

      I provided facts to back up my statements. You? Nothing.

      And i’m still laughing my ass off at you going all the way back to ancient egypt to find evidence of blacks holding jews in bondage. Never mind the fact that Egypt periodically goes in and out of africa in the minds of western academia. LMAO!

      As I’ve already written:

      Oh, that’s right, Afrolito, I forgot African slaves are the only slaves that ever did, or ever will matter. Every other human being who has ever been enslaved is a pale–get it?–comparison to African slaves

      Continue on though….it’s touching how you and the other resident troll racist are bonding over your shared delusions and ignorance. I guess it’s love at first sight…or is it?

      I’m more than happy to keep posting relevant facts if it will educate you and bring you out of your hate for any and all that do not pass your version of the paper bag test.

      I seem to recall you claiming to be “brown”, and often called “wetback”. Perhaps Tank canmake an exception for you?

      You’ve stated that I “claimed” to be Brazilian. Now you’ve written that I’ve “claimed” to be brown. You’re brand of bigotry is the worst kind, Afrolito; no one is darker than your dark; no one has suffered more oppression than your oppression; not one’s suffering is equal to your suffering. If you ever want to get any where in life, Afrolito, you need to stop viewing other queers as the enemy.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “Louis Farrakhan”

      His anti-semitism is his own. He doesn’t speak for black people, but it’s interesting how you pull out statements from individual black people, and use your ridiculous racist logic to brand ALL BLACKS as anti-semitic. That only makes logical sense in the mind of a fool and a racist. Both of which you have proven to be time and again.

      “And you do realize that if something is widespread throughout an group of people, that more likely than not, there is a correlation.”

      So you’re finally admitting that whites are racist and gay whites as well? KUDOS!

      As far as you being “brown”, and often refered to as a “wetback”….those are YOUR WORDS hon….or have you forgotton?

      I guess I can add “self loathing” to your ignorant racism….and that’s extra pathetic and sad.

      Funny to read though. LMFAO!

      May 9, 2009 at 9:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @Chitown Kev:

      “Ok, now even MY former Senator (and President of us all) has spoken out against anti-Semitism in black communities. Now as to whether blacks are, by and large, discriminatory in such a way to affect the livelihoods of Jews is another question.

      The Jewish-black relationship, though, is very, very, very complicated.”

      I guess this is another instance of you being on the fence again huh??

      Did your former Senator (and President of us all) speak out against racism in jewish communities??

      As far as black anti-semitism, affecting the lives of jews…that would be a joke question right??

      There’s sitting on the fence, and then there’s sitting in the big house being deliberately obtuse.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JustBinMe
      JustBinMe

      @John Santos: IMHO whom I sleep with does not define who I am. I do not feel the need to categorize or place myself into your nice little box.

      I also happen to be able to see, that others have had it way worse than you or I could ever imagine because I am not a completely selfish little child.

      No one needs to know what or whom I do in the privacy of my own home, if I choose to let them in, I do so, knowing that not all would accept my way of life and I in turn accept that.

      Blacks never had this choice!

      If you can honestly say, you would rather have been a black slave rather than a gay closeted man…you are either FULL OF SHIT OR A COMPLETE FOOL!

      Nuff Said…thanks for playing!!

      May 9, 2009 at 10:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      His anti-semitism is his own. He doesn’t speak for black people,

      So why do so many black people follow him and his words?

      So you’re finally admitting that whites are racist and gay whites as well? KUDOS!

      …but it’s interesting how you pull out statements from individual WHITE people, and use your ridiculous racist logic to brand ALL WHITE GAYS as racist. That only makes logical sense in the mind of a fool and a racist. Both of which you have proven to be time and again.

      As far as you being “brown”, and often refered to as a “wetback”….those are YOUR WORDS hon….or have you forgotton?

      It saddens me that you continually present yourself as an oaf. It doesn’t surprise me, but it does sadden me. No, I haven’t forgotten, cupcake. My comment:

      You’ve stated that I “claimed” to be Brazilian. Now you’ve written that I’ve “claimed” to be brown.

      You’ve implied, with the statements that I “claimed” to be Brazilian and brown, that I’m lying. No one has questioned your blackness, Afrolito. And I’ll reiterate:

      You’re brand of bigotry is the worst kind, Afrolito; no one is darker than your dark; no one has suffered more oppression than your oppression; not one’s suffering is equal to your suffering.

      I guess I can add “self loathing” to your ignorant racism….and that’s extra pathetic and sad.

      If only you were bright enough to see how great a fool you are Afrolito.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @JustBinMe:

      IMHO whom I sleep with does not define who I am. I do not feel the need to categorize or place myself into your nice little box.

      That is a popular refrain used by those desperate to assimilate. Not “fit in,” but become homogeneous and alike. That’s nothing to be proud of.

      I also happen to be able to see, that others have had it way worse than you or I could ever imagine because I am not a completely selfish little child.

      But you are infantile in your world view. As you wrote, others have “had” it worse than us. We still have it pretty bad. Just go to Iran and see for yourself.

      No one needs to know what or whom I do in the privacy of my own home, if I choose to let them in, I do so, knowing that not all would accept my way of life and I in turn accept that.

      Slaves used to have a word for folks like you.

      Blacks never had this choice!

      So there pain is more tangible than ours, because they’re visible minorities? Absurd.

      If you can honestly say, you would rather have been a black slave rather than a gay closeted man…you are either FULL OF SHIT OR A COMPLETE FOOL!

      If you can honestly say you’d rather be a femme queer in a black ghetto, or a black thug in a suburban neighborhood, then you are either FULL OF SHIT OR A COMPLETE FOOL!

      Nuff Said…thanks for playing!!

      Get to bed, child, the adults are talking.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “So why do so many black people follow him and his words?”

      Really? I don’t, and neither does anyone I know.

      Unlike you, I don’t have to pull statements from individual white people to prove that racism exists….it does, and no one seems to be denying that except you and your little friend Tank.

      And you still haven’t denied your statements about being “brown” and often called a “wetback”. Hmmm…

      The only fool is you, and a self loathing one is the saddest kind.

      Poor little John…always striving for acceptance, but never quite getting it.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @afrolito:

      LOL. Hence you see part of the reason why Barack Obama was never all that popular in the African American community in Chicago…

      And it wasn’t a joke question or anything, I didn’t put a question mark behind that. Inflammatory rhetoric at times, yes, but nothing that I could usefully describe as discrimination. I’ve left a few houses when the anti-Semitism started flying, though.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @Chitown Kev:

      “Hence you see part of the reason why Barack Obama was never all that popular in the African American community in Chicago…”

      I love and support the man, but I have a feeling he’ll be re-evaluating a lot of things before it’s all said and done. The man has barely warmed his seat in the Oval office, and already the backlash is starting.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @Chitown Kev:

      “I’ve left a few houses when the anti-Semitism started flying, though.”

      Did you leave a few homes when the racism started flying?

      May 9, 2009 at 10:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @afrolito:

      Ah, Barack Obama…

      We haven’t even gotten to the African American backlash that will occur. He is simply not one of these old school civil rights type “race men.”

      May 9, 2009 at 10:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      I don’t, and neither does anyone I know.

      You and your friends sit around discussing Louis Farrakhan often enough to formulate an opinion on him? Is that before or after you blame whitey for Sickle Cell Anemia?

      Unlike you, I don’t have to pull statements from individual white people to prove that racism exists

      No, you just imagine it does and WOO!–there it is. Like I wrote, honkies in the wood pile.

      and no one seems to be denying that except you and your little friend Tank.

      And no one seems to be asserting that except you and Lex. I guess we’re at a stalemate.

      And you still haven’t denied your statements about being “brown” and often called a “wetback”. Hmmm…

      Why would I deny them? You however, accused me of lying about my ethnicity and skin color, while no one here has been insulting, or ignorant by doing that to you.

      So again:

      You’re brand of bigotry is the worst kind, Afrolito; no one is darker than your dark; no one has suffered more oppression than your oppression; not one’s suffering is equal to your suffering.

      The only fool is you, and a self loathing one is the saddest kind.

      One merely has to read your comments here to see who is filled with self-loathing; and self-pity. I’ve read paragraphs from you pointing out all the perceived wrong doings at the hands of white queers. I have yet to see any pride in your background, or race. You’re projecting onto others that which you are, Afrolito.

      Poor little John…always striving for acceptance, but never quite getting it.

      That’s rich coming from Queerty’s own Jesse Jackson.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @afrolito:

      I wouldn’t go into a home like that. So, no, it’s never been necessary.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “You and your friends sit around discussing Louis Farrakhan often enough to formulate an opinion on him? Is that before or after you blame whitey for Sickle Cell Anemia?”

      Are you insane? Seriously? Where did I say my friends and I sit around talking about Louis Farrakhan? I said I don’t follow him, and neither does anyone I know. You’re seriously becoming unglued.

      Racism is very real and exists. There is absolutely no one here denying that, but you and you and your little friend. Are you seriously stating it doesn’t exist outside of my feverish imagination? You’ve officially jumped the shark into absurdity.

      I never denied your ethnicity….i’m just pointing out the pathetic absurdity of a “brown” man often called a “wetback” spewing ignorant racism, and defending the very system designed to hold him back. The one not expressing any pride in his background is you little john….a wannabe who never will be.

      So sad for you.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @Chitown Kev:

      Well, expressing it amongst each other, behind your back, is probably much more biting anyway.

      May 9, 2009 at 10:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Are you insane? Seriously? Where did I say my friends and I sit around talking about Louis Farrakhan? I said I don’t follow him, and neither does anyone I know.

      As I wrote, Afrolito, you’re humorless.

      You’re seriously becoming unglued.

      Read your paragraph above and try to prove the sentence that precedes this one.

      Racism is very real and exists. There is absolutely no one here denying that, but you and you and your little friend.

      And the only posters portraying rampant racism within the queer community is you and Lex.

      Are you seriously stating it doesn’t exist outside of my feverish imagination? You’ve officially jumped the shark into absurdity.

      Are you seriously stating that racism exists within the queer community to the extent that you would have us believe? Seventy percent of black Californians voted to strip queers of marriage equality. What exactly did queers vote to take away from blacks?

      I never denied your ethnicity….

      Yes you did. You wrote that I “claimed” to be Brazilian; and that I “claimed” to have been called racial slurs. That is the height or ignorance, Afrolito.

      i’m just pointing out the pathetic absurdity of a “brown” man often called a “wetback” spewing ignorant racism, and defending the very system designed to hold him back.

      Putting the word brown in scare quotes is pathetic, Afrolito. And I find it absurd that a man who denounces racism, would partake of racism when it comes to white queers.

      The one not expressing any pride in his background is you little john….

      I’ve stated that I’m from a Brazilian background; I’ve talked about my parents. You however are a faceless troll, Afrolito. No one knows what you are, except pissed off at white queers.

      a wannabe who never will be.

      So I’m a wannabe because I’m brown and not black? Your ignorance and arrogance is boundless, Afrolito.

      So sad for you.

      And so pathetic for you, hater.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “Are you seriously stating that racism exists within the queer community to the extent that you would have us believe? Seventy percent of black Californians voted to strip queers of marriage equality. What exactly did queers vote to take away from blacks?”

      Yeah, me and Lex are the only two gay people of color claiming racism in the gay community. You really are a deluded piece of work.

      Aha!…..more BOGUS FACTS! That 70% number has been debunked ages ago, and you and your racist brethren continue to cling to the fantasy that blacks singlehandedly are responsible for the passage of prop 8. Facts be damned. So what exactly did blacks take away from queers??

      So are you a “white queer” or “brown” and often called “wetback”? Which is John? You seem to be all over the map. Whether you are brazillian or not is pointless, since you can never prove it anyway. Is it really so hard to be who you are? Whatever that is?

      You’re a wannabe because you’ll never be white hon. That must be devastating for you.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Yeah, me and Lex are the only two gay people of color claiming racism in the gay community. You really are a deluded piece of work.

      I don’t see anyone else on your parade float of hate.

      So what exactly did blacks take away from queers???

      Marriage equality. The same equality whites fought for them in the sixties, even though 90% of American voters opposed that equality.

      So are you a “white queer” or “brown” and often called “wetback”? Which is John?

      I’ll type slowly because I know that’s how you read, Afrolito–your beef is with white queers; you claimed white queers are racists towards blacks; you claim blacks are not biased towards queers; I pointed out you’re wrong on both counts. So because I pointed that out, you’re now claiming I’m white? Are your off your meds?

      You’ve been caught in the racism you denounce and now you’re trying to spin your way out of it. You just hate, Afrolito, you don’t know any other way to be.

      You seem to be all over the map.

      Your map flew out the window 150 posts ago, Afrolito.

      Whether you are brazillian or not is pointless, since you can never prove it anyway.

      And you want proof, don’t you? You want to hold that paper bag up to my face; run that comb through my hair; flash a light on my head and look at my profile on the wall. You’ve become everything you denounce, Afrolito. Your hate has become your only refuge.

      Is it really so hard to be who you are? Whatever that is?

      According to you, yes. According to you I’m the subject of rampant racism at the hands of angry white queers. That I’m not, enrages you. And just to be clear, I wasn’t called a wetback by a white queer.

      You’re a wannabe because you’ll never be white hon. That must be devastating for you

      People obsess about what they can never have, Afrolito. Again, you’re projecting. There is only one person here who wishes he was white. You obsess with white culture; what whites say, what they think about you and other blacks. You’re like those anti-gay religious zealots who know everything about gay sex, but claim to not like gays.

      I’m proud of my mulatto skin. I’m proud of my course black hair and brown eyes. I’m proud of the blood that runs through my veins. I haven’t heard anything prideful coming from you, Afrolito–just rage. You’re not proud of being black; queer; a man; nothing. You’re only proud of your hate and the accusations you can level at others.

      My boyfriend got home from work and we’re going to watch SNL, eat some pizza and go to bed and make love.

      You can remain alone in your hovel and spew your hate across the internet. I thought you were interesting to bat around, but it’s apparent you’re a sad, little man. You are nothing because you have nothing, Afrolito.

      Welcome to your future, Afrolito:

      No one listens to me in this place! I’m going to end up like my uncle Lewis; sitting in a rusted out Buick, no teeth, just TALKING!”
      –Steve Harvey

      My TV getting warm and my pizza’s getting cold. Enjoy your isolation, Afrolito.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JustBinMe
      JustBinMe

      @JustBinMe: I was speaking of the struggle for freedom vs the struggle for the right be officially married in a same sex relationship.

      You however, want to try and bring up everything else that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. who’s wife are you? That’s what bitches do in a fight!

      You are so fuckjing clueless and arrogant! No matter what your pansy ass wants to admit, you don’t have to be a pansy ass! A black man doesn’t have to be a thug! But both, are choices some make!

      I have a little bit of advice for you..If enough people tell you you’re a jackass, you might want to check and see if you have a tail!

      Your opinion is not truth to anyone other than YOU! I would suggest you go back to The Gay Patriot, but they don’t like you forcing your opinion on their lives either!

      It’s unfortunate that you have so little going on in your little world, that the only thing you seem to be able to do is to try and direct how everyone should feel, act and think like you…sorry, last I checked.. you weren’t my momma or daddy…so back off bitch!

      Live your life the way you want, do your best not to fit in, do your best to piss off everyone around you in real life like you do in the cyber world, see how fucking far you get!

      You give the LGBT community a bad name! It’s better to have others believe you a fool, rather than to open your mouth and prove it!

      May 9, 2009 at 11:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “I don’t see anyone else on your parade float of hate.”

      I don’t see anyone defending your racist nonsense. Even Tank seems to have abandoned you. LMFAO!

      “Marriage equality. The same equality whites fought for them in the sixties, even though 90% of American voters opposed that equality.”

      Blacks took away marriage equality for gays? Really? I wasn’t aware gays ever had marriage equality in this country. The majority of whites did not fight for black civil rights in the 60’s. Some did, MOST DIDN’T. EPIC FAIL.

      “I’ll type slowly because I know that’s how you read, Afrolito–your beef is with white queers; you claimed white queers are racists towards blacks; you claim blacks are not biased towards queers; I pointed out you’re wrong on both counts. So because I pointed that out, you’re now claiming I’m white? Are your off your meds?”

      Is it time for your meds? I never said blacks were not homophobic, and you can’t point out anywhere I said such a thing. I have stated repeatedly that blacks are no more virulently homophobic than any other group. And I pointed out the racism in the gay community towards people of color, something 99% of the people on queerty would admit too. You seem to be the only one in the dark about that. It only makes sense to assume you were white, since what “mulatto” could be so deluded to think otherwise.

      Of course now that it’s clear you’re the stereotypical “tragic mulatto”…it all makes sense.

      “People obsess about what they can never have, Afrolito. Again, you’re projecting. There is only one person here who wishes he was white.”

      Pot meet the kettle, because you just described yourself.

      Anyone who describes himself as “mulatto” has self loathing issues for days. If that’s your idea of pride, then you’re way more twisted than I could have possibly imagined.

      Have fun watching SNL with the “boyfried”, and don’t let the pizza get cold.

      Your feverish post today have revealed a lot of ugliness about you, and it’s been so fun getting under your skin and watching you squirm.

      I love taking on racists.

      May 10, 2009 at 12:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Buddy
      Buddy

      @afrolito: I said AFRICANS were the only group enslaved in this country. FACT

      Sorry, Native American Aboriginals were also enslaved in America. California natives were enslaved until 1867 in fact.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      Wow! After reading all 185 of these comments, my neck feels like I have just completed watching a tennis match at Wimbledon. Someone pass the Sloane’s Liniment, please? lol

      May 10, 2009 at 1:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      I don’t see anyone defending your racist nonsense. Even Tank seems to have abandoned you. LMFAO!

      And where has Lex gone? Did you put it to bed?

      Blacks took away marriage equality for gays? Really?

      Yes.

      I wasn’t aware gays ever had marriage equality in this country.

      They did in California until the majority of black voters took away that right.

      The majority of whites did not fight for black civil rights in the 60’s. Some did, MOST DIDN’T. EPIC FAIL.

      But many did. Many more whites fought for black equality then, than blacks are fighting for queer equality today. How many whites were beaten and died helping black people in the 60’s? How many black people are beaten, or killed helping queers today? None. You got yours, screw everybody else. Right Afrolito?.

      Is it time for your meds? I never said blacks were not homophobic, and you can’t point out anywhere I said such a thing. I have stated repeatedly that blacks are no more virulently homophobic than any other group.

      And whites are no more racist than any other group. But in your deluded imagination, whites in general–and queer whites in particular–are rabidly racist towards blacks. Just because some white gay man didn’t want to suck your black cock, doesn’t make all of them bigots.

      And I pointed out the racism in the gay community towards people of color, something 99% of the people on queerty would admit too.

      Please show me where 99% or Queerty readers would admit to that. Show me where 99% of the readers on THIS post would agree with you, Afrolito. More of your ridiculous opinions disguised as facts.

      You seem to be the only one in the dark about that. It only makes sense to assume you were white, since what “mulatto” could be so deluded to think otherwise.

      One who lives in reality. Maybe if you ventured outside of your ghetto, you’d see the real world. Maybe if you didn’t approach every white queer with your obvious hate, you’d be treated better. Maybe if you didn’t think black people are superior to whites, you wouldn’t be accused of racism.

      Your obsession with whiteness is pathetic, Afrolito. I’m not sure who convinced you that white skin is the end all and be all, but that was an injustice. That you believed them is ignorance.

      Of course now that it’s clear you’re the stereotypical “tragic mulatto”…it all makes sense.

      So now you’re racist against mixed people? You are a lovely little bigot. Like I already wrote about you, Afrolito:

      You’re brand of bigotry is the worst kind, Afrolito; no one is darker than your dark; no one has suffered more oppression than your oppression; not one’s suffering is equal to your suffering.

      I’m proud of my brown father AND my white mother. You seem to have nothing but bile, even towards your own family. You are the prime example of the anti-gay attitudes running rampant through the black community, that you have no pride in yourself. You were taught to feel you are inferior because of your skin and your sexuality. Who ever did this to you is a monster.

      Pot meet the kettle, because you just described yourself.

      I have seen no pride in you, Afrolito. That you hate yourself is common among people and can be helped with the obvious medical treatment you need. That you hate others can be fixed as well and much easier than fixing the mental issues you have.

      Anyone who describes himself as “mulatto” has self loathing issues for days.

      And anyone who describes themselves as a nigga has self-esteem issues. Yet that is what black do day in and day out–you rap about it, make movies about it, write books about it. If you can take back nigger, we can take back queer; I can take back mulatto. I’m not ashamed, nor afraid of my history, Afrolito. What are you so terrified about?

      If that’s your idea of pride, then you’re way more twisted than I could have possibly imagined.

      I’m not very PC, Afrolito and I’m certainly not afraid of words. They only have the power we give them. Perhaps if you weren’t so obsessed with pointing out perceived wrongs, you could actually change the world.

      I’m sorry, Afrolito, not all of us can be “strong, black men,” who hide behind an anonymous nic-names and name call. Power to the people!

      Have fun watching SNL with the “boyfried”, and don’t let the pizza get cold.

      Oh I did! Did you have fun alone and pathetic in your tragic hate?

      Your feverish post today have revealed a lot of ugliness about you,

      And yours have proven that no matter how far people of color in America come, it will never be enough to bring you out of the tragic despair that is of your own making. No one has owned you for a long time, Afrolito, least of all white queers. Well, except for me–I’ve owned you massively, punk!

      Get over yourself.

      and it’s been so fun getting under your skin and watching you squirm.

      And it’s been fun watching you contort yourself into a more disgusting caricature of a man than you normally are!

      I love taking on racists.

      Please let me know when you take one on, I’d love to watch!

      It’s a new day, let’s see what you got, little man.

      May 10, 2009 at 9:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Of course now that it’s clear you’re the stereotypical “tragic mulatto”…it all makes sense.

      Here’s some more tragic mulattoes, Afrolito:

      http://boards.mulatto.org/post?id=1344694

      Read the board messages, Afrolito, maybe you’ll learn what pride is and finally get some in yourself.

      We’re here, we’re mulatto, get used to it!

      May 10, 2009 at 10:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      Here’s an even better link for an angry brown queer!

      http://angrybrownbutch.com/

      May 10, 2009 at 10:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ANTONIO
      ANTONIO

      @John Santos: HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING BLACK FOLK LIVE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. RNC CHAIR IS BLACK. TALK SHOW TV IS DOMINATED BY BLACKS. LETS NOT EVEN GO TO SPORTS, MUSIC. IT MUST KILL YOU. BUT SAY IT WITH ME. A N WORD IS THE PRESIDENT OF USA. SO, I SUGGEST YOU CHOCK ON A D**CK IF YOU CANT HANDLE IT

      May 10, 2009 at 10:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • zack
      zack

      @John Santos: what’s the problem honey? why so mean to black people. because they have big dicks and you have a small pink one? ooooh dont worry, you have more money right, you are more book smart. right? so why not go buy your self gay marriage and stop begging a black man (obama)to help you achieve gay marriage. You said it your self, you are more educated, more rich, less ignorant etc. so, buy yourself some happiness including marriage. Go get a reaaaaaaaally dark tan hon.

      May 10, 2009 at 10:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • scott ny'er
      scott ny'er

      after watching clip 4, man am I SICK of hearing about the Bible. Not everyone subscribes to this “religion”. And thus, it should not be forced upon me. Separation of church and state is accurate and applies here.

      I cannot read the back and forth of you guys… so I’m not commenting there.

      May 10, 2009 at 11:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Suzzie
      Suzzie

      WELL WELL WELL, it always boils to a cat fight between blacks and white gay men. I cant stand either group, both too demanding. we get it blacks hate gays and white gay men are racists. You guys are EVEN. what exactly do you want fro each other. It’s like blacks and gays are involved in this passionate love/hate affair with each other. The rest of us are sick of watching it. You hate each other, NEXT. too bad for gays coz .blacks are in power everywhere now, no wonder they want to be the new black!

      May 10, 2009 at 11:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • chuck
      chuck

      @zack: Hahaha. small pink one, ha. dude you are funny, but not all pink ones are small. mines pretty thick! and i’ve had too many thick black meat up my you know what to share santos views. peace.

      May 10, 2009 at 11:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DANCUN
      DANCUN

      OK QUEERTY. WE GET IT. MOST BLACKS ARE HOMOPHOBIC AND MOST GAY MALES ARE RACIST. WE GET IT. STOP WITH THE INCITING ARTICLES. THIS USED TO BE MY BEST WEBSITE, NOW IT IS JUST CREEPY.

      May 10, 2009 at 11:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ceazer
      ceazer

      @ANTONIO: i ONLY HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU SIR. THANK YOU!

      May 10, 2009 at 12:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @ANTONIO:

      @zack:

      @Suzzie:

      @ceazer:

      @DANCUN:

      Creating fake personalities to agree with you is creepy, Afrolito. Just how many faces do you have, Eve?

      May 10, 2009 at 12:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      @Suzzie: Thanks for that. It was turning into one great pissing match.

      May 10, 2009 at 12:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      @DANCUN: Where is the incitement in the article? It simply posed a question and posted the clips. They could post a clip about fashion and given enough time unfortunately it would devolve into this mess, but that’s free speech for ya.

      May 10, 2009 at 12:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bubba
      Bubba

      Machiavellian conservatives have been pitting blacks against gay as if civil rights are a zero-sum game. Manipulating people over civil rights is evil. And as a black gay man, this manipulation takes the cake. Stop the madness conservatives!

      May 10, 2009 at 2:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      Wow! at all the fresh racist bile spewing from the “tragic self loathing mulatto”. LMFAO!

      You really sealed the deal and buried yourself with your last series of racist rants. I’m soooo glad you’ve given people more reasons to see you for the vile pathetic racist creature you really are.

      “I’m proud of my brown father AND my white mother.”

      Quote of the year from the “tragic racist mulatto”!
      They certainly raised you with tons of self esteem. A real “tragic racist mulatto” role model.

      Your hate is so palpable, you can’t even contain it. The incoherent hate in each of your posts only reflect the mirror of your own foul soul. Unfortunately you’re either too stupid or batshit insane to even see it….everyone else does though.

      Thanks for waking up so early this morning to continue playing anew. I guess the “boyfriend” wasn’t compelling enough to keep you from a topic you claimed to be leaving last night. LMFAO!

      Yep….I reaaaally got under your skin, and touched a raw nerve!
      You hate me so much, you’re running around this site paranoid that I have multiple screen names! LMFAO!

      I would truly feel sorry for you, if you were’nt such a “tragic, self loathing racist mulatto”. As it is, i’m just enjoying your self destruction in each racist post.

      *grabs popcorn*….

      May 10, 2009 at 2:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Bubba: Why should conservatives stop when it seems to work so well? Dumb black folks and dumb gay folks allow it to happen (sigh!)

      May 10, 2009 at 3:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Wow! at all the fresh racist bile spewing from the “tragic self loathing mulatto”. LMFAO!

      This coming from the “man” who was raised to believe that white skin is better than black skin–and believed it! Ignorant.

      You really sealed the deal and buried yourself with your last series of racist rants.

      And you’ve proven continually that you do not tolerate any skin color but your own. You hates whites, mixed, Jews. You’re the David Duke of Queerty.

      I’m soooo glad you’ve given people more reasons to see you for the vile pathetic racist creature you really are.

      And I’m glad you’ve given white queers more reasons to reach out to black queers and work even harder to bridge the divide. People like you want a race war between queers of all colors because it makes you feel like you have actually accomplished something in the queer community. But rather, you are just a a parasite feeding off the good work of every other person in the community.

      Quote of the year from the “tragic racist mulatto”!
      They certainly raised you with tons of self esteem. A real “tragic racist mulatto” role model.

      My parents raised me to be proud of the skin that each of my parents have. Your family raised you to believe white-is-right and you foolishly have. You’re so ashamed of yourself, that you lash out at anyone who fails your paper bag test.

      Your hate is so palpable, you can’t even contain it.

      My pride is what is palpable. Your rage at not having been born white is causing you to lash out at any and all races that you believe are superior.

      The incoherent hate in each of your posts only reflect the mirror of your own foul soul.

      This coming from the “man” who praises whites as having a privilege in society, while dismissing brown skinned people..

      Unfortunately you’re either too stupid or batshit insane to even see it….everyone else does though.

      All your other identities, Afrolito/Lex?

      Thanks for waking up so early this morning to continue playing anew.

      Are you just getting out of bed now? You’re not doing a good job of smashing stereotypes that racists have of people of color.

      I guess the “boyfriend” wasn’t compelling enough to keep you from a topic you claimed to be leaving last night. LMFAO!

      Where did I say I was leaving? I had a reason to leave. You slavishly hung around hoping someone–anyone–would talk with you. You need to get laid and quick!

      Yep….I reaaaally got under your skin, and touched a raw nerve!

      The only thing you touched was yourself, because no man will have you, your hate is so overwhelming.

      You hate me so much, you’re running around this site paranoid that I have multiple screen names! LMFAO!

      I’m not the only person to notice.

      I would truly feel sorry for you, if you were’nt such a “tragic, self loathing racist mulatto”.

      Your race-baiting won’t work. I know you’re proud of being Queerty’s Je$$e Jackson, but I’m not ashamed of being mulatto. You can’t the same about being black.

      As it is, i’m just enjoying your self destruction in each racist post.

      Wipe your keyboard down, Afrolito, it’s covered in cum and spit. I’ll keep posting so you can have some more fantasies to masturbate over :)

      *grabs popcorn*….

      Don’t you mean fried chicken and watermelon?

      May 10, 2009 at 3:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JustBinMe
      JustBinMe

      It’s amazing how much gay bashing occurs on this site and not always by the straights…***Sigh*** Yet another dick measuring contest!!

      I hope you all have a wonderful day!

      May 10, 2009 at 4:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “This coming from the “man” who was raised to believe that white skin is better than black skin–and believed it! Ignorant.”

      Never said anything like that here. More made up racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto” LMFAO!

      “And you’ve proven continually that you do not tolerate any skin color but your own. You hates whites, mixed, Jews. You’re the David Duke of Queerty.”

      Never expressed any such thing here. More made up racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      “This coming from the “man” who praises whites as having a privilege in society, while dismissing brown skinned people..”

      Never expressed that either. More made up racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      “All your other identities, Afrolito/Lex?”

      The paranoia continues. Not him, and he’s not me. More made up racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      “Where did I say I was leaving? I had a reason to leave. You slavishly hung around hoping someone–anyone–would talk with you. You need to get laid and quick!”

      You can’t even remember your own words! Lol! You left to watch a show with the “boyfriend”, went to bed seething with rage for me, woke up, and ran over to this site to continue your losing war of words! I was getting laid, and never thought of you once, however you were clearly thinking of me bright and early this morning. LMFAO!

      “The only thing you touched was yourself, because no man will have you, your hate is so overwhelming.”

      Unlike you and your fantasy “boyfriend”, mine is very real, and we touched plenty last night and this morning. You on the other hand only have hate, which got you up early this morning to start a fresh day of racial attacks. LMFAO!

      “I’m not the only person to notice.”
      Who else? Your racist alter Tank? LMFAO!

      “Your race-baiting won’t work. I know you’re proud of being Queerty’s Je$$e Jackson, but I’m not ashamed of being mulatto. You can’t the same about being black. ”

      Not ashamed of being a “tragic racist mulatto”? LMFAO!

      “Wipe your keyboard down, Afrolito, it’s covered in cum and spit. I’ll keep posting so you can have some more fantasies to masturbate over :)”

      Nah….having been destroyed and called out 150 posts ago, you’re now in full meltdown mode. You have nothing more to bring beyond your own hateful self loathing and racism. Your insanity is now out of control. LMFAO!

      “Don’t you mean fried chicken and watermelon?”

      I’m vegan darling, but it’s understandable how a “tragic racist mulatto”, might think otherwise..

      I’ll continue with the popcorn, and you can whip up a plate of rice and beans. LMFAO!

      May 10, 2009 at 4:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Never said anything like that here. More made up racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto” LMFAO!

      Anyone of any ethnicity can be bigoted, but whites as a group hold the reigns of power, and by default ALL WHITES benefit from WHITE PRIVILEGE, by default. FACT.

      WHITE PRIVILEGE IS A FACT. Just because you have met black millionaires and poor whites, doesn’t negate that FACT.

      You claim whites are superior, and then dismiss successful black people. You’re a racial caricature, Afrolito.

      Never expressed any such thing here. More made up racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      Blaming slavery on Jews; claiming that white queers are all racists. Making fun of my brown father and white mother. You’re a major bigot, Afrolito.

      Never expressed that either. More made up racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      WHITE PRIVILEGE IS A FACT. Just because you have met black millionaires and poor whites, doesn’t negate that FACT.

      The paranoia continues. Not him, and he’s not me. More made up racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      Of course you and he are the same, Afrolito. Every time you need someone to back up your racist garbage, Lex pops up and does so.

      You can’t even remember your own words! Lol! You left to watch a show with the “boyfriend”,

      Yeah? My boyfriend came home, we watched some TV, ate some food and went to bed. What don’t you understand about that?

      went to bed seething with rage for me, woke up, and ran over to this site to continue your losing war of words!

      Huh?

      No. 193 · John Santos
      Posted: May 10, 2009 at 9:26 am · @Reply · [Flag?]

      What do you mean I woke up and went running to this site?

      I was getting laid, and never thought of you once,

      So the teenage boy you met on Craigslist came over at midnight, pervert? Was that before or after you left a last desperate message on here hoping someone would talk with you so you wouldn’t have to go to bed and cry yourself to sleep?

      however you were clearly thinking of me bright and early this morning. LMFAO!

      I was thinking about giving you the opportunity to spread more racism and hate. I’m sad to see you acquiescence.

      Unlike you and your fantasy “boyfriend”, mine is very real, and we touched plenty last night and this morning.

      Is that when he had to get home before his mother and father realized he was out past his bed time, pervert?

      You on the other hand only have hate, which got you up early this morning to start a fresh day of racial attacks. LMFAO!

      I pitied you–late last night starring at your screen hoping someone would talk with you.

      Who else? Your racist alter Tank? LMFAO!

      TANK was on Queerty long before I was.

      Not ashamed of being a “tragic racist mulatto”? LMFAO!

      Not ashamed of my race. You on the other hand would be Queerty’s resident Michael Jackson if you had the money. You already have the Ephebophilia.

      Nah….having been destroyed and called out 150 posts ago, you’re now in full meltdown mode.

      You’ve mastered crazy talk. You haven’t mastered getting off one-liners though, and need to steal mine! How sad :(

      You have nothing more to bring beyond your own hateful self loathing and racism. Your insanity is now out of control. LMFAO!

      David Duke also believes everyone else is racist, while he as a member of the KKK. What hate group do you belong to, Afrolito?

      I’m vegan darling, but it’s understandable how a “tragic racist mulatto”, might think otherwise..

      Do you eat animal crackers?

      I’ll continue with the popcorn, and you can whip up a plate of rice and beans. LMFAO!

      I will and proudly so! You’re so ashamed of your race, that you won’t even eat your mother’s cooking. Haw sad for you.

      May 10, 2009 at 4:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “You claim whites are superior, and then dismiss successful black people. You’re a racial caricature, Afrolito.”

      Never claimed that anywhere here. So glad there’s no edit function. More racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      “Of course you and he are the same, Afrolito. Every time you need someone to back up your racist garbage, Lex pops up and does so.”

      Only in your fevered imagination. Ugh….where is he now? More racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      “Yeah? My boyfriend came home, we watched some TV, ate some food and went to bed. What don’t you understand about that?”

      There’s nothing to understand, since he doesn’t exist. LMFAO!

      “Huh?”

      Your words in this tipic reveal you. LMFAO!

      “So the teenage boy you met on Craigslist came over at midnight, pervert? Was that before or after you left a last desperate message on here hoping someone would talk with you so you wouldn’t have to go to bed and cry yourself to sleep?”

      Get better jokes hon. Being a “racist tragic mulatto” is funny enough, but still…LMFAO!

      “I pitied you–late last night starring at your screen hoping someone would talk with you.”

      So you were thinking about me after you claimed to be leaving the site to watch SNL with the “boyfriend”, and having a pizza?? Thanks for finally admitting the truth. It seems you were the one staring at the screen looking for my posts! LMFAO!….meanwhile I was getting laid in my very real boyfriends loving arms. CHECK MATE!

      “TANK was on Queerty long before I was.”

      That just means you created your alters on different days. DUH! LMFAO!

      “Not ashamed of my race. You on the other hand would be Queerty’s resident Michael Jackson if you had the money. You already have the Ephebophilia.”

      “Tragic mulatto” is a racial category now? LMFAO!

      “You’ve mastered crazy talk. You haven’t mastered getting off one-liners though, and need to steal mine! How sad :( ”

      Steal what? Your crazy is fun to read, but hardly infectious. As far as one-liners go, you have yet to hit any out of the ballpark. LMFAO!

      “David Duke also believes everyone else is racist, while he as a member of the KKK. What hate group do you belong to, Afrolito?”

      Hon, I don’t hate. I just call out the racists where I find them. I found you yesterday, and it’s been thrilling watching your hateful self-loathing rhetoric be revealed in your every post.

      “I will and proudly so! You’re so ashamed of your race, that you won’t even eat your mother’s cooking. Haw sad for you.”

      My mom is a vegan too darling. You continue to revel in your stereotypes of blacks, so once again you assume she was a fried chicken eating black woman with a love for watermelon. WRONG! LMFAO!

      So you go right ahead and enjoy your moms cooking. Kiss her on the cheek, and tell her what a wonderful job she did raising such a well rounded “tragic racist mulatto”. LMFAO!

      May 10, 2009 at 4:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @afrolito:

      Never claimed that anywhere here. So glad there’s no edit function. More racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      Anyone of any ethnicity can be bigoted, but whites as a group hold the reigns of power, and by default ALL WHITES benefit from WHITE PRIVILEGE, by default. FACT.

      WHITE PRIVILEGE IS A FACT. Just because you have met black millionaires and poor whites, doesn’t negate that FACT.

      You’re the only racist here, Afrolito. You not only claim whites are superior, but you denou8nce successful blacks. Sad.

      Only in your fevered imagination. Ugh….where is he now? More racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      You stopped posting Lex after TANK called you on it. You got caught and showed your hand by no loner posting under two names.

      There’s nothing to understand, since he doesn’t exist. LMFAO!

      Just because you are alone and sad as a result of your hate, doesn’t mean the rest og Queerty’s readers are alone.

      Your words in this tipic reveal you. LMFAO!

      You demonstrated what real hate is with your posts, Afrolito. David Duke would be proud of you.

      Get better jokes hon. Being a “racist tragic mulatto” is funny enough, but still…LMFAO!

      Being a degenerate Ephebophilic pervert is not funny, Afrolito. Please get some help for you disease.

      So you were thinking about me after you claimed to be leaving the site to watch SNL with the “boyfriend”, and having a pizza??

      Ha! You claimed to be well educated and you didn’t even understand that sentence. What kind of lousy schooling did your parents waste their hard earned money on?

      Thanks for finally admitting the truth. It seems you were the one staring at the screen looking for my posts!

      I turned off my computor lat night. You hung around until:

      No. 190 · afrolito
      Posted: May 10, 2009 at 12:01 am · @Reply · [Flag?]

      You were so desperate for anyone to talk to, you kept posting long after everyone else logged off. You’re like a petulant child desperate for attention, that you will act out looking for validation. Sad.

      LMFAO!….meanwhile I was getting laid in my very real boyfriends loving arms. CHECK MATE!

      Your “boyfriend” only appeared after I mentioned mine and logged off for the night. If you spent less time blaming white queers for all your problems, maybe you’d have a boyfriend.

      That just means you created your alters on different days. DUH! LMFAO!

      TANK was here months before I was. Lex appeared after you needed someone to back up your racist rants.

      “Tragic mulatto” is a racial category now? LMFAO!

      One quarter of the popuation is a minority?

      Steal what?

      No. 161 · John Santos
      You’re getting tired, Afrolito! I’d say you were slipping, but you landed on your ass 100 comments ago :)

      No. 188 · John Santos
      Your map flew out the window 150 posts ago, Afrolito.

      You’re so weak minded, you have to steal other people’s jokes to try and get a laugh.

      Your crazy is fun to read, but hardly infectious. As far as one-liners go, you have yet to hit any out of the ballpark. LMFAO!

      Stealing other people’s jokes is ok if you’re funny, Afrolito, but I don’t like the idea of a pervert using my bits to get over.

      Hon, I don’t hate.

      All you know is hate. Iit’s runs through your veins blending with your blood. Your heart pumps cold, black bile.

      I just call out the racists where I find them.

      Let me know when you find one.

      I found you yesterday, and it’s been thrilling watching your hateful self-loathing rhetoric be revealed in your every post.

      You invented one, yesterday. Ever since you’ve tried to down play your hate by accusing everyone else of being haters. Like I already told you, just because a white man didn’t want to suck your black cock, doesn’t make white queers racist.

      My mom is a vegan too darling.

      You’ve lied about everything else, why should anyone believe you?

      You continue to revel in your stereotypes of blacks, so once again you assume she was a fried chicken eating black woman with a love for watermelon. WRONG! LMFAO!

      What’s wrong with fried chicken and watermelon? Do you hate your race so much, that you even reject food? If you don’t like fried chicken and watermelon, then there’s something wrong with you, not me.

      So you go right ahead and enjoy your moms cooking.

      Why would my mother be doing my cooking? My mother is in Boston and as much as I’d like to be there, I’m not. I did however spend time with my partner’s mother and their family. A family of–OH MY GOD!– whites! And they accept me like part of their family. I cooked for my future mother-in-law because it’s her special day. What did you do for your mother, besides break her heart with your child lust and rejection of your race?

      Kiss her on the cheek, and tell her what a wonderful job she did raising such a well rounded “tragic racist mulatto”. LMFAO!

      If you go to visit your mother, please make sure she keeps your younger relations away from you. I know you have trouble controlling your sickening urges and she should help you and keep her grandkids safe from you.

      May 10, 2009 at 5:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • afrolito
      afrolito

      @John Santos:

      “You’re the only racist here, Afrolito. You not only claim whites are superior, but you denou8nce successful blacks. Sad.”

      You insanity is showing ever brighter. Never claimed any such thing. More racist drivel from the “tragic mulatto”. LMFAO!

      “You stopped posting Lex after TANK called you on it. You got caught and showed your hand by no loner posting under two names.”

      I’m still not lex, but you continue to be hilarious in your paranoia. It’s even funnier that you think your alter Tank called me out about it! LMFAO!

      “I turned off my computor lat night. You hung around until:”

      Really? I made two posts, one of which was in response to yourss.
      You on the other hand, woke up bright and early to carry on your one man race war. LMFAO!

      “Your “boyfriend” only appeared after I mentioned mine and logged off for the night. If you spent less time blaming white queers for all your problems, maybe you’d have a boyfriend.”

      Mine is very real. Yours exists only in your imagination….along with cold pizza and an SNL episode. How romantic! Of course Mr. Invisible wasn’t strong enough to keep your mind off of me at 9am this morning….LMFAO!

      “TANK was here months before I was. Lex appeared after you needed someone to back up your racist rants.”

      You created Tank months ago, and then came up with John Santos, the “tragic mulatto”. DUH…LMFAO!

      “One quarter of the popuation is a minority?”

      Really? There’s no such racial category in the United states….and certainly not “tragic mulatto”.LMFAO!

      “Steal what?”

      Oh puhleeze…LMFAO!

      “Stealing other people’s jokes is ok if you’re funny, Afrolito, but I don’t like the idea of a pervert using my bits to get over.”

      You don;t have jokes, but you’re definitely the punch-line. LMFAO!

      “Let me know when you find one.”

      Hi John Santos/Tank. I think we all know you by now though. LMFAO!

      “You invented one, yesterday. Ever since you’ve tried to down play your hate by accusing everyone else of being haters. Like I already told you, just because a white man didn’t want to suck your black cock, doesn’t make white queers racist.”

      Nah, I found you, and it’s been the gift that keeps on giving. LMFAO!

      “You’ve lied about everything else, why should anyone believe you? ”

      Her being a vegan shakes up your racist world view, so of course you can’t believe it. Whatever…LMFAO!

      “What’s wrong with fried chicken and watermelon? Do you hate your race so much, that you even reject food? If you don’t like fried chicken and watermelon, then there’s something wrong with you, not me.”

      There’s nothing wrong with fried chicken and watermelon. Of course your assumption that it’s “black food” only reveals your own distorted racist view of black people. Fried chicken and watermelon is eaten by EVERYONE. Thanks for further revealing your racism…..CHECK!

      “Why would my mother be doing my cooking? My mother is in Boston and as much as I’d like to be there, I’m not. I did however spend time with my partner’s mother and their family. A family of–OH MY GOD!– whites! And they accept me like part of their family. I cooked for my future mother-in-law because it’s her special day. What did you do for your mother, besides break her heart with your child lust and rejection of your race?”

      Aww…that’s so sweet. You invented a nice white family to go with your fantasy boyfriend. Claiming your mom was in Boston was a nice touch, but it’s still an unconvincing LIE. LMFAO!

      I’ll be having dinner with my mom in a bit actually. It’s a beautiful day here in New York, and I can’t wait to see her.

      Like I said, kiss your mom, and be sure to thank her for making you the “tragic racist mulatto” you are today. LMFAO!

      May 10, 2009 at 6:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      I’ll be having dinner with my mom in a bit actually. It’s a beautiful day here in New York, and I can’t wait to see her.

      Please ask your dear mother what she did wrong to raise a racist and a pedophile. Hopefully her mistakes can be lessons for future mothers, so that they may avoid raising a degenerate and bigot.

      May 10, 2009 at 6:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jason
      Jason

      “When you’re un-welcomed or even asked to leave an establishment by white gay men you can say you’re the new black.

      What about being asked to leave black establishments because one is gay? Like, say churches?”

      QFT LOLOL

      May 10, 2009 at 7:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Jason: People can see you’re gay just by looking at you?

      Maybe you should get the tattoo removed from your forehead.

      May 10, 2009 at 7:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      afrolito has a boyfriend? What grade is he in?

      May 10, 2009 at 7:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Prejudice is prejudice. Whether it’s practised against the concept of being black or the concept of being gay, it’s still prejudice.

      There’s no ranking when it comes to prejudice.

      May 10, 2009 at 8:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • J. Sam
      J. Sam

      Who the hell named Sam Harris the spokeswhore of gay rights?

      Sincere, but I wish they could’ve had people on there defending our cause that are a bit more articulate about this stuff

      May 10, 2009 at 9:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @J. Sam:

      you will show TYRA HER PROPER FUCKIN’ RESPECT!

      May 10, 2009 at 9:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @jason: Except your example was totally fake and I can tell you’ve either never been to a baptist church if you really believe that.

      Baptist churches have never told gays to leave, people with white skin to leave, or anything else.

      I’ve attended baptists churches all my life and still do. They’re the most loving people I know. So you can save it really.

      Plenty of black gay people attend the same baptist churches they grew up in with absolutely no problem. Unless you’re making out in the pews no one is going to say a word to you. Even then they’d probably just roll their eyes at you for acting a fool and being there for the wrong reason.

      There’s also a huge difference between being discriminated against by other gay people in a gay establishment and being discriminated by straight people in a straight establishment.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      Yeah, but it’s that Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell policy again. And the pastor could give a rat’s ass whether he’s denigrating anyone from the pulpit.

      Not saying that all baptist churches are like that but far too many are (let’s not even get into the Sanctified, Apostolic, AME churches).

      Don’t try and sell me or anyone else that, Lex. Ever. Or try dying of AIDS and see whether tyou’ll receive proper burial. Pleanty of stories about that too.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D.C
      D.C

      I wish Afrolito and John Santos would just disappear. They are both nuts/scumbags/racist/pissy.

      May 11, 2009 at 3:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: Where are these “too many”? Have you been to enough to say?

      I know mine isn’t like that. You’re stereotyping just like everyone else here.

      Claiming a massive majority of people with brown skin feel or act a certain way about homosexuality is stereotyping no matter how it’s spun.

      May 11, 2009 at 11:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:
      Did I state a massive majority of brown skin people? Or did I specify church people?

      http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Their-Own-Receive-Them-Not/Horace-L-Griffin/e/9780829815993/?itm=17

      Here’s one resource. I have read academic papers on the subject as well. And there’s my own personal interactions with those (gay and straight) in some African American denominations.

      Myself, I’m not religious and haven’t been to church on a regular basis in about 30 years.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: You replied to me and I was only speaking of black baptist churches.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      I don’t know, I think you have on rose colored glasses about all this love that black baptist churches have for it’s black gay people and vice versa. And do note that I said “far too many” not “most” and not “all.” And there are far too many black gay people who do put up with it.

      Just as seemingly many “white” gay people apparently did at New Life Church, I don’t draw a distinction there.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: I have rose colored glasses on?

      I never said there aren’t black bigots, but they aren’t in power, and they aren’t the majority. I could go to many places where there are no black people. Not that that would be doing myself any favors considering my skin is brown.

      White people are in power. Our civil rights are being withheld. White bigots are the problem. That’s been my point the entire time.

      There’s no point going on and on about black bigots because black bigots have no power in America. White bigots do.

      You could get every black bigot in the America to change their mind about homosexuality and guess what…our civil rights would still be withheld. Why? White bigots sway the vote. They voted to take our rights away.

      All the focus on blacks is just stupid.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      Uh, but there are “black bigots” who do have power in the context of “the black community.” That’s my point.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      @Chitown Kev: And? We’re talking civil rights.

      There are hispanic bigots who have power in the context of the “hispanic community”.

      There are whites bigots who do have power in the context of the “white community”.

      Etc, etc.

      The only community that holds any power is the white community. So what are you gaining by complaining about blacks? So you can go to a straight black club? A bar? What are black people specifically holding you back from doing?

      May 11, 2009 at 12:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Lex:

      When blacks gays and lesbians don’t speak out when bigoted African American politicians (very few of these, actually) and pastors presume to speak for “the black community” then that leaves the perception that black gays and lesbians either don’t care or quietly assent to what is being stipulated.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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