If World Net Daily‘s lead fiction writer Joseph Farah is to be believed, GOProud will be barred from next year’s CPAC now that Al Cardenas is running the show. And just when Ann Coulter got everyone to clap about how she convinced the group to stop supporting gay rights.
Zach
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *breath intake* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
If it is indeed true, suck on that, you self-loathing Republican assholes. What, do they have to march you to the gallows now before you get they hate you, they hate everything about you, and they will never support your rights until you actually have them?
Cam
Look, i’m ALL for the day when gays can actually look at both parties, and make their voting choices based on something other than gay rights….but until the platform of the GOP isn’t basically about stripping away my right to exist they have given me zero options.
If GOProud wants to have any creidbility, they should stop trying to minimize or cover for the anti-gay bigots in the party, but rather do what Log Cabin USED to do when Patrick Guarino ran it. They would refuse to endorse any gop candidates that said or did anything that was anti-gay, that included Bush.
Not like the head of GOProud, or the current head of Log Cabin who actually endorsed the person running AGAINST the Congressman who introduced the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, or the guy right before him who lied about McCain’s anti-gay positions.
GOProud and Log Cabin today are just shills for the party, they are not gay groups, they are groups of republicans who just happen to be gay, and they are together because none of the other groups there will let them in.
christopher di spirito
I’m confused? I thought the Republican party was a “big tent” who accepted everyone? Isn’t that what the Coulter/Palin apologists keep posting here?
hf2hvit
@christopher di spirito: Yeah…and just like in the bible, christians don’t judge.
hf2hvit
Those GOProud queens will probably lose their press on nails trying to scratch their way in…”PLEASE LET ME IN BECAUSE I LOVE WHEN YOU HATE ME!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Andrew
Say whatever you want. This WOULDN’T happen at a Democratic Convention.
Shannon1981
Please let it be true! Maybe then these ‘gay Republicans’ will see how ridiculous they are. THEY DON’T WANT YOU, Chris Barron, Dan Choi, Matt Hissey! Just being who and what you are means you will NEVER be a part of their group. EVER. Maybe if CPAC bans them they’ll understand that they need to come over to the right side, and no, I don’t mean right wing.
mikeincleveland
@christopher di spirito:
Actually, it’s what GOProud said too….
They thought that their “Don’t act gay and they’ll accept us…” Trojan Horse strategy was going to work (again- if this WND news piece is EVEN true…they’re NOTORIOUS for just making propaganda press releases for the GOP)…
And while trying to carry out this battle plan, only ended up pissing off any of those independent gays who would have given them a chance.
Instead their entire “platform” on their website was just a reworked Tea Party-Lite laundry list, discreetly hiding the actual names of gay causes under the rug of “states rights” and “freedom for all Americans”…all dog whistle political lines that Right Wingers (not Conservatives, they’re an entirely different, more reasonable group) fall for…
Sadly, what it (still) comes down to is the basic fact that the Tea Party crowd are the new Moral Majority and the GOP is sucking their wallets dry (once again, like they did with the Religious Right) for the campaign cash and then laugh behind closed doors at their stupidity and gullibility.
Glenn Beck is causing the Tea Party to look really bad.
Once that group collapses under it’s own lunacy getting the media air time, the GOP are gonna be stuck having alienated even more minorities and independents than they did before and nominating Romney (Mr. Venture Capitalist 2003) won’t even save their butts in 2012.
David Ehrenstein
The only “Big Tent” is the one Barron and company are looking for in the nearest pair of pants.
Gigi
Barron had a meltdown on Signorile’s show today. Check it out on The Gist. Priceless!
tjr101
Boo hoo, no invitation to next year’s Klan rally!
Marc
Seriously, the silence from Queerty’s resident GOP clod squad is deafening. Are you guys all out getting married to women now so they’ll let you back into the house?
Steve
The damage is already done. The Republican part is having a serious conversation about whether gay people should have equal rights, and about what the phrase “equal rights” actually means.
Even within the conservative religious movement, that conversation is started and those questions are being asked and discussed.
To ask the question, is to answer it. There really is only one answer. When religious leaders start asking themselves how they should minister to those people, they have already recognized those people as human beings, and made the decision _to_ minister to those people.
ryan
I hope this is true, but honesty, WND is far from a credible source.
Brian Miller
People celebrating failure to influence both major parties are rather short-sighted. While I don’t kid myself in believing the GOP is some bastion of tolerance, the experience in Britain, Canada and other places shows that without a strong base of pro-gay people in both parties, equal rights under the law never happen.
Certainly, relying on the Democrats exclusively for 20 years has delivered nothing.
We need a political system where parties compete for our support, not one where we’re a wholly-owned subsidiary of one of the parties.
hf2hvit
@Brian Miller: ”
Certainly, relying on the Democrats exclusively for 20 years has delivered nothing.”
NOTHING??? You must be only 20 years old. NOTHING?? REALLY??? Guess you don’t get out much
SouthSideShorty
Wow, such venomous, childlike behavior from my “progressive” gay brethren. Until you practice what you preach in the field of tolerance, how in the hell can you ever expect to gain respect from those whose religion has turned them against you?
Soupy
how in the hell can you ever expect to gain respect from those whose religion has turned them against you?
Huh? Like we are going to teach them that their religion is wrong? Woo them away from their preacher?
OrchidIslander
@Brian Miller: “Certainly, relying on the Democrats exclusively for 20 years has delivered nothing.
We need a political system where parties compete for our support, not one where we’re a wholly-owned subsidiary of one of the parties.”
Not true regarding the Democrats; and you should know better.
I’m all for parties competing for our support. It would be great to leverage the two parties against each other for our votes and in return, some real progress concerning our goals. But, seriously, Republicans aren’t interested in us. If all that family and traditional values posturing hasn’t convinced you, the lopsided Congressional votes on repealing DADT really should have helped you get a clue. So, please explain what catalyst should be employed which would generate any genuine Republican desire in us – other than the one where they fervently wish that we would all go away.
OrchidIslander
@SouthSideShorty: “how in the hell can you ever expect to gain respect from those whose religion has turned them against you?”
The faulty logic in your premise is obvious. Who in the hell said that we want to gain their respect, or that we even give a flying frig about their respect? Respect from them we do not need.
They can keep their religion and have at it. We are not going to change people and their religious beliefs.
What we are talking about are civil rights. Rights guaranteed because all men are created equally and have the right to life, liberty and the other thing. Laws that should not have religion or religious beliefs imposed or affixed upon them.
We are not lapdogs that need to appease, or attempt to gain respect from, something as subjective, unproven and discriminatory laden as religion.
BeachBuddy
@hf2hvit: Actually, the Democrats have done laughably little for gays in the last 20 years. What do you count? Clinton’s DADT policy? You’re going to say you liked that? And how about your fantasy pres, Obama? Yeah, he’s reeeeeal keen on advancing the platform of gays (when he’s not busy being disgusted by us). So what, exactly, have the Dems done? Oh yeah, I forgot: Our friend in congress, Barney frank, who has . . . hmmmm, I guess all he’s done is promote the notion that gay men run brothels out of their homes and grow pot in the backyard. Go Barney!
Marc
@SouthSideShorty:
Did you not just get the memo from CPAC, you nitwit? THEY DON’T WANT YOU, YOU’LL NEVER CONVINCE THEM TO WANT YOU. There’s no dialogue to be had.
@Brian Miller:
“Certainly, relying on the Democrats exclusively for 20 years has delivered nothing.”
Yes it has. Seriously, there is no factual basis to a claim like this.
I don’t know how many times it needs to be said, screamed, repeated – you cannot convince the Republicans to like you. They don’t like you. The majority within the GOP would imprison you if they could, and the vast, vast majority would never accord you any rights whatsoever. I have no intention of being tolerant towards people who would throw me to the lions.
Marc
@BeachBuddy:
Almost every ballot measure across the country that has advanced gay rights – from marriage, to civil unions, to benefit supports, to domestic partnership regimes – has been at the initiation of the Democrats. Traditionally blue states are also generally the only ones any statewide measures have a chance at passing in.
So what’s your brilliant plan? Suck up to the party that’s been responsible for every gay rights setback, ever?
SouthSideShorty
@Marc: Your comment, “I have no intention of being tolerant towards people who would throw me to the lions,” speaks volumes. They won’t tolerate you, you won’t tolerate them, which leads to nothing but intolerance. They don’t like you because they hide behind their religion, and you don’t like them because they don’t like you, and so on. Until someone takes the higher moral ground, we’re in a stalemate, folks. Why don’t you try being proactive instead of just angry all the time? You might find yourself making some headway. Just a thought.
Marc
@SouthSideShorty:
Your dumbass cohort just tried being proactive. Guess what? They got zero headway and got told to fuck off, gay rights ARE INCONSISTENT WITH CONSERVATIVE VALUES. How many times do you have to be smacked around before you realize you’re getting NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING out of it?
Soupy
Gay republicans are masochists. They like to be bitch slapped and ordered to their knees.
Cam
@SouthSideShorty: said..
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Wow, such venomous, childlike behavior from my “progressive” gay brethren. Until you practice what you preach in the field of tolerance, how in the hell can you ever expect to gain respect from those whose religion has turned them against you?
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1. So once again you come in here with no solutions, but just an attack on gays for being intolerant.
2. I don’t want or need their respoect just like they don’t want or need mine. What I demand is that whether or not they respect me, I exist and they need to get out of my way.
3. If somebody punches me in the face and I push them back, I”M not the one being intolerant. So they try to take away our rights, we get annoyed by that, but according to you we are the intolerant ones…nice try.
scott ny'er
@Gigi: the link for the meltdown on signorile’s show. It’s interesting.
http://www.signorile.com/2011/02/goprouds-chris-barron-melts-down.html
ryan
Southsideshorty, you don’t seem to know what the word “tolerate ” means. Hint: it doesn’t mean respect or even like. Gay people are not intolerant of the religious right. We acknowledge their right to exist, get married, serve in the military, and be free of discrimination in housing or career placement. The religious right does not return the favor. No one seeks the respect or approval of those we don’t respect ourselves. That’s an absurd notion that flies in the face of human nature. The idea that the religious right would abandon their beliefs if we get down on our knees and beg them to is ridiculous. We demand only tolerance, the same tolerance we already give them.
justiceontherocks
the Log Cabin and Goproud folks are pitted against the Religious Right for the hearts and minds of the Republican party on “social issues.” We all know who is going to win that battle every time.
That said, people concerned about gay civil rights issues who dogmatically align themselves with either major party make a huge mistake. As long as the Democrats take your votes for granted, you’ll get slow incremental “progress” at best.
Soupy
Well said Ryan. But there is no sense in trying to reason with Willow Palin. She’s here to stay.
SouthSideShorty
@justiceontherocks: Very, very well put. Which is why GOProud and GayPatriot, et al, exist in the first place: to show the world that we’re not all the stereotype that our society paints us. But this bickering has got to quit; it adds absolutely nothing to the dialogue and will never solve anything.
Drake
@justiceontherocks:
I’ll take progress on the gay agenda any day over a republican hard kick in the balls, like CPAC gave the GOProudlings. The GOProudlings are opposed to the gay rights agenda anyway, they are more focused on gun rights, capital gains taxes, the deficit, etc. They leave the hard work of gay civil rights to others.
Democrats got us the repeal of Don’t ask, don’t tell, same sex marriage statutes in several states and in DC, as well as many dozens of human rights statutes all over the USA that protect us in housing, in some cases jobs. Gays have gotten protections in schools and universities. Democrats have appointed openly gay and lesbian judges and other political office holders.
Yes, incremental is not as fast as I would like, but it is incrementally better almost every week now. The republicans want to turn the clock back, often on religious grounds, to the day when gays had to be in the closet, quivering in fear of discovery, less we get fired, gay-bashed, or worse.
justiceontherocks
@SouthSideShorty: The democrats are quick to forget that it was the suit filed by the Log Cabin Republicans that pushed Gates off the fence on DADT and made “repeal” possible. Without gates support and campaigning, it would not have gotten done.
On the other hand, the Republicans often give themselves too much credit for “fiscal conservatism.” The Bush adventure in Iraq contributed greatly to our debt.
Conservatism traditionally meant that government’s rights end where my nose begins. The social conservatives seem to think that government exists only to rule on how others should conduct their personal lives.
justiceontherocks
@Drake: You write as if your only choices are allegiance to Dems or allegiance to Repubs. Those are not your only choices.
SouthSideShorty
@Drake: What a ridiculous statement, that GOProud is opposed to the gay rights agenda. It renders your entire post irrelevant. We’re not opposed, we just don’t see same-sex marriage as the most pressing issue facing our nation. Sure, Dan and Stan can get married, but when Dan dies in a terrorist attack, then Stan is left an unhappy widower who agonizes over having given his vote to the Democrat who felt terrorism wasn’t an approppriate issue to condemn. Best not to presume the intentions of others, else you come across as the know-it-all who knows nothing.
tjr101
@SouthSideShorty: “Dan dies in a terrorist attack, then Stan is left an unhappy widower who agonizes over having given his vote to the Democrat who felt terrorism wasn’t an approppriate issue to condemn.”
The last foreign born terrorist attack on the US mainland happened under Bush and a Republican administration. Stan still has to worry about losing Dan to terrorist under Republicans. Your argument falls flat!
Soupy
You sound like Phyllis Schlafly, who set back feminism 100 years.
Shannon1981
I personally think Dan Savage was right when he said GOProud is a bunch of gay quislings and useful idiots for window dressing the Republicans….when the party itself is really very anti gay at its core. Look at how many of those hateful groups the GOP aligns itself with boycotted CPAC just because GOProud was allowed to attend. And obviously the party cares more about those groups and their agendas than they do about civil rights, or we wouldn’t be speculating about their dropping GOProud, and, furthermore, Cardenas has all but said GOProud is dead in the water with the GOP and with CPAC. He said something to the effect that it will be difficult to continue the relationship.
Sorry, Rethuglican’ts, your argument is invalid. That party is bigoted at its core. That isn’t to say every person in the party is a bigot- far from it. But the BS morals and values social platform, the groups associated with the GOP, and a whole host of other things points to the party itself being bigoted. Hell, even Chris Barron had an outburst and said it about Cleta Mitchell. Get a clue. Gay people and Republicans don’t belong together.
Soupy
The problem is that every repugnican has to kowtow and appeal to the bigots out there. The bigots are a major voting block for them.
Jeffree
@justiceontherocks: (#34) To amplify your great points, the Conservative movement seems to have lost its focus on fiscal & econ. issues. The list of CPAC panel topics seems to have skimmed past the issues of job growth and unemployment.
Also, the “ole days” when gay/ lesbian conservatives tried to encourage & develop social moderates within the R party seem gone, and the only way for “us” to fit in is to join them in their homophobia. Kinda sad.
Queer Supremacist
There’s one solution to this:
Genocide.
That’s right.
I am calling for every Christian in America to either turn apostate or be sent to a death camp.
Marc
@justiceontherocks:
“The democrats are quick to forget that it was the suit filed by the Log Cabin Republicans that pushed Gates off the fence on DADT and made “repeal” possible. Without gates support and campaigning, it would not have gotten done.”
That is not what happened at all.
Seriously, do you guys honestly think you can make stories up and everyone will believe them? The lawsuit was peripheral, maybe even ephemeral, to what actually unfolded. I’m happy it succeeded, but it had practically nothing to do with the actual repeal.
You’re currently one step away from Bill O’Reilly with nonsense like that.
Marc
@SouthSideShorty:
“Sure, Dan and Stan can get married, but when Dan dies in a terrorist attack, then Stan is left an unhappy widower who agonizes over having given his vote to the Democrat who felt terrorism wasn’t an approppriate issue to condemn.”
I’m sorry, but which President made it his mission to get out of the country that had absolutely nothing to do with the September 11 attacks? Which President has given the go-ahead on mass assassinations of Taliban, al-Qaeda, and Islamist leaders? Which President actually (however wrongly) wants to engage in the countries that terrorists actually use as bases of operations and training camps? Oh yeah, the fucking Democrat who is in office right fucking now.
And how the fuck does condemning terrorism actually stop terrorism?
Fucking dunce.
“But this bickering has got to quit; it adds absolutely nothing to the dialogue and will never solve anything.”
You and your ilk have done NOTHING but constantly telegraph how much you hate liberals and other gay people. And now that you’re starting to get that the GOP won’t let you be the good little House Gay, you come around whining about we shouldn’t bicker? Go fuck yourself.
SouthSideShorty
@Marc: Jesus, dude, you need to seek treatment for your anger issues. Seriously.
However, the hilarious statement that Obama is tougher on terrorism than the Right is something only the most extreme Leftist would buy. Obama, tough? On anything? Nyuck-nyuck-nyuck. Now, hit me with all of your pent-up rage. Can’t wait.
justiceontherocks
@Marc: That is exactly what happened. You can deny it all you want, but that’s how it went down.
Suggestion for you, given your gullibility – if someone offers to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge, ask to see the deed first.
Zach
@justiceontherocks:
No, it is not what happened, nitwit. Look at the timeline, look at when the leaders actually met and when we know it was discussed. Plugging your ears and ‘na na na, Democrats can’t do anything’ doesn’t work.
@SouthSideShorty:
I’m sorry, when did anyone in the Right ever combat terrorism? What actions do you attribute their tough-on-terrorism stance to? The Right ignored Afghanistan for seven years and then promoted a war that destabilised the Middle East and increased the likelihood of terrorist attacks.
Going back to your stupid little parable about the gay couple – they’re far more likely to be killed in a car crash then they are by terrorists, so really you should be voting for the party that supports higher automobile standards, aggressively combats drunk driving, and works to make highways safer.
And I was angry when Barron was taunting liberals while partying in Doug Manchester’s hotel. These days, I’m celebrating how thoroughly discredited GoProud and gay Republicans have become, and I take great pleasure in reiterating your monumental stupidity.
justiceontherocks
@Zach: You are as dumb as a box of rocks. Your blind allegiance to a political party has gotten you . . . nowhere.
Ryan
Justice,
It has already been explained to you why you’re wrong. Either that, or you don’t know what the word “nowhere” means. Gay people like myself and Zach, our “blind” allegiance to the Democratic hasn’t gotten us nowhere. It’s gotten us the ability to serve openly in the military (don’t forget that if Go-not that-Proud had gotten their way and McCain had been elected, DADT repeal would never have happened) it’s gotten us the ability to marry in five states with another a couple more on the way, it’s gotten us the ability to at least have civil unions in about half a dozen other states, and it’s gotten us the Matthew Shepherd Act. All these things were possible primarily (and in a few cases, exclusively) because of Democrats.
Just as the notion that Republicans are somehow better at counter-terrorism is absurd on its face and has literally no evidence to support it (hello, 9/11!) , so too is the notion that Democrats aren’t interested in gay rights.
P.S. Calling someone “dumber than a box of rocks” isn’t a very good counter-argument, and sort of exposes your own brain power as lacking.
justiceontherocks
@Ryan: The explanation was “that’s not how it happened.” That’s no explanation at all. That’s the same as “take my word for it.” Sorry, but with adults, that just doesn’t cut it.
The facts are that Gates moved on DADT when he and his counsel became convinced that the suits challenging the policy were likely to prevail and that he’d be better off striking a deal. I hope you aren’t seriously trying to rewrite history and claim that “repeal” such as it is, had a prayer without Gates’ support.
Are Democrats better than Republicans on gay rights? Yes. Are they a lot better? No.