This just in: Donald J. Trump claims he can predict major world events either before or after they do or do not happen.
In an absolutely insane interview with Time, Trump was asked about all the false claims he’s made on Twitter, in interviews, in speeches, and during press conferences.
His response?
Not everything has been false. In fact, some of the things he said that were false at the time became true eventually.
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“I predicted a lot of things, Michael,” Trump said. “Some things that came to you a little bit later … What am I going to tell you? I tend to be right. I’m an instinctual person, I happen to be a person that knows how life works.”
Let’s take a brief look at some of the things Trump claims to have “predicted” in the interview, shall we?
First, he says he predicted the non-existent terrorist attack in Sweden:
Sweden. I make the statement, everyone goes crazy. The next day they have a massive riot and death and problems.
(For the record, a few days after Trump’s comment there was a small riot, but nobody died.)
He also says he predicted the FBI would find some sort of scandal involving Huma Abdein, Anthony Weiner, and Hillary Clinton:
Huma and Anthony, you know, what I tweeted about that whole deal, and then it turned out he had it, all of Hillary’s email, on his thing.
(By “his thing,” we believe Trump is referring to Weiner’s laptop.)
Oh, and he says he predicted the U.K.’s withdrawal from the European Union:
Brexit. I was totally right about that! You were over there, I think, when I predicted that, right? The day before. … Brexit! I predicted Brexit! You remember that? The day before the event. I said, “No, Brexit is going to happen,” and everybody laughed, and Brexit happened. Many many things. They turn out to be right.
Also, the terrorist attack in Brussels:
Brussels, I said, Brussels is not Brussels. … Brussels is not what it used to be, very sad what has happened to Brussels. I was absolutely lambasted. A short time later they had the major attack in Brussels. One year ago today. Exactly one year ago today. And then people said, you know, Trump was right. What am I going to tell you? I tend to be right!
As well as Bernie Sanders’ defeat in the primaries:
What I said. Look I said, Donna Brazile had information. And she had information on Hillary’s debate questions! I said, “Why didn’t Hillary apologize?” Donna Brazile just admitted that that was right. I said the election was rigged against Bernie. A lot of people agree with that one. A lot of people hated the statement when I made it.
And what about those three million undocumented immigrants he claims voted in the 2016 election?
Well, I think I will be proved right about that, too. … I have people say it was more than that. We will see after we have. But there will be. We are forming a committee. And we are going to do a study on it. A very serious problem.
(For the record: There is zero evidence of widespread illegal voting in the election.)
He also says he predicted he would win the election:
I said I was going to win the election. I won the election! In fact, I was number one the entire route, in the primaries, from the day I announced, I was number one. And the New York Times and CNN and all of them, they did these polls, which were extremely bad, and they turned out to be totally wrong. And my polls showed I was going to win. We thought we were going to win the night of the election.
(To be clear, Trump wasn’t exactly “number one” the “entire route.” He received 3 million less votes than Clinton in the popular vote.)
Trump’s final prediction? That he’s going to be on the cover of Time magazine more times than Richard Nixon was during his presidency:
I’m sure I’ll win. … Time magazine, which treats me horribly, but obviously I sell… Covers. Nobody’s had more covers.
“That’s the story,” Trump said, before abruptly ending the interview. “Hey look, in the mean time, I guess, I can’t be doing so badly, because I’m president, and you’re not. You know. Say hello to everybody, OK?”
Related: Time’s new cover is going to royally piss off Donald Trump
dwes09
So we are now into the final third of his first hundred days. He promised to transform government and do more than any other president in that time.
Here is a request for the trump toadys here.
List his actual accomplishments…only those that are not based on a desire to destroy existing important governmental agencies that have improved the lives of all Americans, and only those that support his specific promises (for example, his current budget proposal harms the specific people he said he was going to help more than past presidents, so his budget is out…besides it is not approved so is not an accomplishment).
As far as i can see most of what he has done is:
1. endanger long standing relationships with strong ally countries.
2. embarrass us by inappropriate behavior on the international stage.
3. demonstrate a lack of understanding of civics, the constitution, the law.
4. spend more time on the golf course and away from DC than any other modern president.
5. demonstrated a clear desire to have his family and himself profit from his current role.
6. increased the potential for corruption in DC through his appointments or people already corrupt or with clear conflicts of interest (deepening “the swamp”).
Counter these observations with actual activity on Trump’s part, actual news or actual facts, as opposed to “what if’s”, “it could be’s”, or references to Obama’s or any of the Clinton’s apocryphal activities (so “trump has been hampered by Obama’s wiretaps”, or “what about Hillary’s emails” do not constitute response). If you cannot, accept the crown of buffoon. We will laugh at you, not with you, as we already do.
Giancarlo85
Instinctive he claims?
Pretty crappy instinct from what I can see. Of course, the republican gay trolls on here will defend his horrendous start. He has accomplished much of nothing, besides damaging relations with other countries and undermine the institutions of this country.
This will all catch up with this amateur administration through an impeachment and potentially some indictments later. Mr. bannon in particular will probably do years of hard time.
1EqualityUSA
He is sure of his psychic abilities because the Russians gave him the scoop, duh. This con man is nuts. The Republicans will never live this down. This is a job for Nick Danger, Third Eye.
dwes09
That should be “and what makes it at all controversial is that he claims Obama is personally behind it. “
mhoffman953
And he’s somewhat right regarding surveillance, more to come on it though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG1iwnylUq4
dwes09
No, not right at all. Absolutely no implication that Obama ordered it. You are such a tool it is tragic.
“INCIDENTALLY collected information about individuals involved in the Trump campaign” (LATER IT WAS RESTATED UNDER QUESTIONING AS ‘POSSIBLY COLLECTED’). “It was all obtained legally.” Nothing really to see here, regressives need to move on to actually look at the corruption of trump and his appointees as well as the huge personal spending of tax monies on his family.
Why do heterosexual like you come here to spout crap in support of an administration so clearly corrupt and with an agenda that will further impoverish the shrinking middle class?
Most people here have greater critical faculties than you could ever muster, even if your life depended on it (as many of ours do straight boy).
Giancarlo85
Mhofftool… Citing some quack on YouTube. Hey dude, even FBI director Comey said Trump was a complete total liar.
You know what your problem is? You are just as much of a liar as your orange hero.
mhoffman953
@dwes09 I’m not straight, not sure why you keep alleging this. I think you think you’re putting me down or something.
Besides, I specifically said “somewhat right”. It makes you wonder what is meant by “incidental” and why was the surveillance done in the first place. Was this ethical surveillance? I never said Obama ordered it, but one could question was he briefed on it since he received daily intelligence briefings. Why are American citizens being entangled in “incidental” surveillance and of all American citizens it happens to be individuals involved in the Trump campaign. Who were the individuals? The chairman of the intelligence committee says that there were no connections to Russia in the surveillance and that there was day-to-day monitoring involved.
But as I also stated, more to come on it
Giancarlo85
Lol. You putz. If there was a court ordered FISA warrant on his campaign done by the independent Department of Justice you should be more worried than excited. That type of scandal could land Trump behind bars.
You want to know why Comey is so quiet right now? They are building a major case that will start with the first dominoes. A FISA warrant could bring down Trump and everyone around him.
Giancarlo85
And what the hell does a YouTube video prove? YouTube is not a source!
Giancarlo85
By the way, there is highly evident connections to Russia with Manafort and several others. Quit your bullshit!
dwes09
You say:
“And he’s somewhat right regarding surveillance,”
The entirety of his allegation, and what makes it at all controversial is that he Obama is personally behind it. So he is not right at all, though there has certainly been huge amounts of spin such that those not too canny might think him “somewhat right”
As for “incidental”, what that means is very obvious. Intelligence on members of the Trump transition team, or those associated with them MAY have been collected as a result of other investigations going on, either related to Russian connections or not.
As for why I refer to you as straight: you are so prone to dissembel in support of a right wing agenda that there is no reason to accept anything you sat as based in fact. Just as is is quite likely that a few of the other regressives here are lying about their race and orientation, the same can be said about you. Your agenda seems anti-lgbt, pro corporate wealth, pro oligarchy and corruption on the right, anti ethics. Why should anything you post be taken at face value?
mhoffman953
@dwes09 The chairman of the intelligence community said the surveillance and information collection was not in connection to Russians or surveillance on Russian officials. It appears that potentially someone from the past administration (whether in the NSA, CIA, or another intelligence organization) was purposefully using the guise of collecting surveillance regarding foreign government officials to monitor Trump campaign officials without reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing or probable cause AND then leaking the identities of those private citizens to other intelligence officials. Under US law, the identities of private US citizens are to be kept anonymous if any incidental information regarding foreign intelligence is collected. I’m just saying that I would like to have more information regarding this topic such as the nature of the communications, who was involved, who conducted the surveillance, was there probable cause, and who ordered the surveillance.
The chairman of the surveillance community has said the information presented to him was troubling and concerning regarding the surveillance, hence his reason for informing the press and even the White House.
The house oversight committee is supposed to oversea this type of surveillance to make sure it doesn’t overstep the bounds of being unethical or politically motivated. We shall see how this transpires
@Giancarlo85 When you say I’m “Citing some quack on YouTube”, he’s your state representative from California and the chairman of the intelligence community. I thought you said California ALWAYS gets it right yesterday?
Giancarlo85
California doesn’t always get it right. We still have some scumbag losers. Darrell Issa the perpetual liar is one.
Somebody was monitoring them without probable cause or without a warrant? Prove it, a-hole.
There was certainly probable cause to get a FISA warrant. I would have got one on Manafort if I was in charge of the DOJ.
Explain to me all the extensive ties to Russian oligarchs and organized crime that Trump campaign officials had. And also Russian intelligence. You don’t think that’s probable cause?
You are a lying idiot.
Giancarlo85
Lol Devin Nunes. You are a bigger fool than I thought. Darrell Issa is a loser, but Nunes is a Trump surrogate who will lie his ass off.
You are full of sh*t. Nunes himself needs to be investigated.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 What’s with the hostility by calling me an “a-hole”? I thought the comments box says, “avoid personal attacks on your fellow commenters”. I think we can have intelligent discourse without name calling. You sound really upset
Giancarlo85
You are a very serious disgusting liar who is deflecting blame from this highly corrupt administration. Tell your republicans not to talk with people who have wiretapping warrants against them.
Your insults are far more grave and your ideas highly wrong and damaging. Everything you say is a lie.
Realitycheck
If Don really were to believe he can predict the future, then, we would know for sure he has schizophrenia.
Symptom Checker LOL
Schizophrenia a mental disorder characterized by:
1) Delusions, which are false, fixed beliefs that are held regardless of contradictory evidence. (Obama was not American and he tapped his phone) Check!
2) Disorganized thinking. A person may switch very quickly from one topic to another or provide answers that are completely unrelated. – (Obama wire tap follow by Schwarzenegger …by the way Merkel and I have something in common…) Check!!
3) Mood disorder (In bursts of rage often tweets in early morning, wild rages in white house and possibly hitting his wives) Check!
4) Depression (need to continue to campaigning to cheer himself up) Check!
5) Believe of posses supernatural abilities or ESP powers, (he knows what WE don’t LOL) Check!!!
Symptom Checker LOL this second one fits better, but doesn’t negate the first,
a combination of the two is possible.
Narcissistic personality disorder a mental condition characterized by:
1) Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance. Check!
2) Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it. Check and Check!!
3) Exaggerating your achievements and talents. Check!
4) Requiring constant admiration. Check!
5) Having a sense of entitlement. Check!
6) Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations. Check!
7) Taking advantage of others to get what you want. Check!
8) Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner. Check!
Giancarlo85
Could he predict his failure today with his Don’t care non health care bill? Failure! Some deal maker. He couldn’t even corral his own party.
And we got hoffyboy spouting off bullsh*t about surveillance. President Obama never ordered any kind independently and could not in any capacity request a warrant of any kind.
Many republicans even agree that the wiretapping claim was a lie. There was no wiretapping or surveillance on Trump or campaign. That does not negate the fact that there is a highly active investigation gathering key pieces of evidence against him and his campaign. Manafort will be the first to fall and land behind bars.
Yes more is to come and you won’t like it, hoffyboy. How about the part where Trump was violating RICO laws by laundering money through his businesses for Russian oligarchs and organized crime?
And Obama will be laughing at you and other fools for ever backing this clown.
1EqualityUSA
G85, They are paid to comment. I don’t even read their b.s. –Alistair Wiseman is MHoff and is connected to Breitbart. I caught that back when he was going to bat for Ted Cruz in a way most fierce. He ended is blather in this thread with, “More to come on it” How would an ordinary commenter know that there was more to come? Breitbartefacts are being dug up on Queerty. Ancient Aliens.
mhoffman953
LOL I don’t even like Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is slimy and lied about his wife being a “baker” when she was an exec at Goldman Sachs. Plus I’m not that Alistair person. Why is is hard to conceive that someone might think differently from you? You can’t conceive that such a thing is possible? No one is paying me to comment either. I’m curious as to where you’re hearing that Breitbart is allegedly paying people to comment about stuff online. I think you’re confused with Correct the Record which was hired by the Clinton campaign – it now goes by the name Share Blue
Giancarlo85
And hoffy is still yapping about Hillary. Hillary is Mother Teresa compared to Trump. She was cozy with corporations… But Trump is sniffing corporate ass. Perpetual brownnoser!
Bob LaBlah
Now this fool has predicted a win vote tomorrow. He has ordered a vote tomorrow on his doomed health care plan. If this health plan passes what it means is less money to help people pay for drugs they already can’t afford. This vote and what it means should have taken precedent over this foolishness. People where are your minds and priorities? I mean really, who gives a shit about some damn predictions when your friends that you’ve loved and known for years may have it even rougher than they already have? This does include funding for those in SRO’s across the country. The passing of that bill is going to be a nuclear explosion in the gay community. But no one says anything about it.
Giancarlo85
It will fail again to even get a vote because everything this man has tried is a failure thus far.
How about trying Hillary lmao? Turns out Trump is the one that could be indicted.
natekerchel
He is not schizophrenic but he is a narcissistic sociopath and displays delusional behaviour like many of his followers. Schizophrenia is a mental illness that can be treated using medication. What trump has is a personality disorder – which cant be treated. The claims to be in some way ‘psychic’ fits in with internalised image of himself as the most clever, infallible person in the world. Whatever he says and does has ‘God’s approval’ says the equally deranged Pat Robertson, and Trump believes this of course. Like all narcissists he is a bully – yet more evidence when he threatened the Congressman that he was ‘coming to get you’. The delay to the vote on the healthcare issue will have been a blow to his ego as he continued to insist it will pass on Thursday and this did not happen. How come he got that prediction wrong?
Mhoffman – yet again you try to defend the indefensible. There is NO evidence that trump was wiretapped by anyone, much less the former President. He is not ‘somewhat right’. The FBI director explained very clearly and carefully that information about people connected to the trump campaign may have been incidentally collected. This is a normal situation in the world of the security services as they go about their business. What is reality is that Flynn broke the law, lied about it and then had to resign. Sessions – well that particular episode is not yet over. The former campaign manager Manafort is up to his neck in collusion and perhaps more serious criminal issues with the Russians. And we are expected to believe that the control freak trump knew nothing of any of these things. I really don’t understand you mhoffman – why do you persist in the delusion that trump is anything more than a vile racist, homophobe, misogynist, peddlar of hate and a politically illegitimate election stealer?
KaiserVonScheiss
Trump never cited a specific event in Sweden. He was referring to the condition of Sweden as a whole. Sweden is effectively the rape capital of Europe because of all the migrants they let in.
But Trump has said some stupid things. That is obvious.
Giancarlo85
Bullshit. And your claim about Sweden is also bullshit.
DCguy
Except that’s a lie. He gave a specific time frame.
Oh, and for ANY Trump troll including this new Screename of Mo Bro & Hoffman, Sweden isn’t the rape capital, what Sweden does is report and PROSECUTE rape. For example, if somebody in a U.S. office walked by a woman’s desk once a week for a year and rubbed her breasts against her will, it would probably not be criminally prosecuted. Sweden would list that as 52 separate incidents of possible sexual battery.
So I love it that right wingers and fake Log Cabin Trolls try to say Sweden is a rape capital, no geniuses, Sweden has a very feminist bend to its rape laws so it is the WORST example for them to use if they are trying to make the U.S. sound safe.
Giancarlo85
Straight boy hoffy believes Devin Nunes.. Are you kidding me? Nunes is a conspiracy theorist.
There is nothing to those accusations, but I hope a judge did sign off on FISA warrant on Manafort. Manafort is likely the one to face a federal grand jury first. Read and weep, you lying little boy.
Nunes lmao. Like Issa, one we are still trying to get rid of in elections. Applegate nearly defeated Issa when Issa used to win by 20-30%. Next time Issa and Nunes will be out.
Giancarlo85
Oh wow… Now I am hearing some of the communication was intercepted with a warrant. Meaning a judge signed off on it. This could be the end of this entire administration. Obama had nothing to do with it. A judge saw probable cause. Game over!!!!
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 Are you saying we shouldn’t believe our own intelligence committee? And that we shouldn’t believe the chairman of the intelligence committee? You said the other days that California “always gets it right”, now today you are changing your tune. The chairman of the intelligence committee did the public a great service by divulging the details of the information he is being presented, otherwise it may have been covered up.
Also, I’m gay, not straight. What’s with the attacks on people’s sexual orientation? I thought we aren’t supposed to be using someone’s orientation as a put down.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 Can you post the link to that information of where you are hearing there was intercepted communication with a warrant? That contradicts what James Comey testified to and it raises the question as to who petitioned the court
Giancarlo85
You are a lying sack of crap. The DOJ gets warrants. And it hasn’t been that Comey has been right about everything.
I never changed my tune. You are a scatterbrain who can’t actually discuss anything. You are making an incredibly serious allegation about Obama.
Nunes is a liar and a Trump surrogate. End of story.
Giancarlo85
What information? Nunes could be lying himself and is tied to the Trump administration. He took heat because he is lying to Trump. Believing an extremist republican? Typical of an idiot like you. Trump is going to wind up prison once this is all done. You better wait and see. It is about to get very scary for traitors like you.
Giancarlo85
By the way, California as a state does get it right. That is why republicans are kept at a minimum in the state legislature and our state functions better. Only democrats in charge state wide and a supermajority.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 Where are you hearing there was a warrant from a judge? You made that claim and I asked you to post a link. You continue to make that claim and haven’t posted a link with evidence showing there was a warrant from a judge. You’re also ignoring the fact that the “incidental surveillance” which was collected, unmasked the names of the Trump campaign members which were US civilians at the time and disseminated these names among the entire intelligence community – something which goes against policy from these agencies.
Then you keep saying Nunes is a liar but you go on to say things which back up his claims. You stated that there was surveillance of Trump and his campaign members but continue to say Nunes is lying, if he’s lying then there wouldn’t be surveillance.
Post the link as to where you say there was a warrant and of who.
CanadianGuy62
I know that this “ain’t” the New York Times, but that doesn’t preclude you from using proper grammar.
When referring to the vote differential, it is either 3,000,000 or three million (not 3 million). And, it is three million “fewer” votes, not “less” votes.
natekerchel
Any genuine search for the figures will show that Sweden in NOT ‘the rape capital of Europe’. That is a downright lie wheeled out in an effort to deflect from yet another trump gaffe about Sweden and terrorism. Yet the trump lovers on here repeat it time and again as if it were beyond dispute. I suggest you read this –
“Sexual offences” is a very broad term, which refers to a range of all sex-related crimes in Sweden.
Rape is one of the sexual offences, but other crimes such as paying for sex, sexual harassment, indecent exposure, sexual exploitation, molestation and trafficking are included in the numbers as well.
The figures peaked in 2014. The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Bra) says this rise is due to the changes to the legislation in 2013, which made it tougher.
Similar increases in the number of reported cases were seen in 2006, after new sex offence legislation came into force in April 2005.
Since then, Sweden has recorded every reported case of sexual violence separately.
That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events.
In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record.
Also, paying for sex became one of the crimes counted in the statistics.
During 2015, the year in which Sweden took the largest number of asylum seekers, the number of reported sex crimes and rapes actually decreased by 11% and 12% respectively compared with 2014 – 18,100 sex offences were reported to the police, of which 5,920 were classified as rape.
Preliminary figures for 2016 show a rise, bringing the latest figures close to 2014 values.
Susanne Lekengard says the rise of the number of sexual molestation cases in 2016 is due to a higher number of reported cases of sexual harassment amongst teenagers at summer music festivals.
Sweden does not publish the ethnicity or national background of perpetrators of any crime, including sexual offences.
What about rape in Malmo?
According to Bra, the number of reported rape cases in proportion to the population in the municipality of Malmo has not seen a sharp increase since the biggest group of refugees arrived.
Reported rapes per 100,000 inhabitants peaked in 2008, 2010 and 2011, and the figures were higher for those pre-refugee influx years than in 2015 and 2016.
In addition, the reported rape figures were not higher in the Malmo municipality, compared with two other major urban municipalities in Sweden: the capital Stockholm and Gothenburg in the west.
Now that is factual information. So give up with the Swedish smokescreen.
natekerchel
mhoffman – if you want to prove something you say is correct then you need to provide some real evidence – something you always demand from others. Saying ‘it APPEARS that POTENTIALLY someone from the past administration….’ is not evidence of anything other than your wishful thinking. And if you think that we should automatically believe ANY government official or military person without question when they open their mouths then you should go back in live in the 1950’s when deference due to position was the order of the day.
I don’t know if trump is guilty or not in relation to collusion with the Russians. That’s why I don’t say he is. I suspect he might be – but that is just my opinion. I like to see hard evidence first. So should you before you present ‘appears’ and ‘potentially’ as your evidence. That is not evidence, Opinion and evidence are very different things.
What i know for sure he is guilty of is lying about being wiretapped by Obama, and a proven liar for a President is unacceptable. I also know for sure beyond any shadow of a doubt is that trump did not receive the votes of 74% of the Americans entitled to vote. So far we have this – he is a proven liar and a politically illegitimate ‘president’. Add other elements like racism, homophobia, and misogyny – not to mention allegations of sexual assault, though not yet proven – and we get a picture of a very unpleasant man who blatantly lies to get out of a difficult situation or to deflect from what he is doing in other areas. None of these things are ‘potentially’ or ‘appear to be’ – the evidence is right in front of your face.
Giancarlo85
The little prick is scared now. He is grasping at the straws. And Nunes shouldn’t be on any intelligence committee. He is a Trump surrogate. He was an avid Trump supporter.
Hoffy will believe whatever he can… He is a damn liar and not even a good one.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 You can tell when someone doesn’t have a good argument or is losing an argument when they resort to name calling and swearing. I’m definitely not scared of you haha. How old are you?
Giancarlo85
Nunes is a prolific Trump supporter. How can you expect someone like that to conduct an investigation? It is obvious he has a serious conflict of interest and must recuse himself. He told Trump a lie to peddle his delusions.
Hoffyboy.. Your accusations of Obama are disgusting. Obama did not order a wiretap or surveillance on any Trump campaign office, nor could he. Anything sought on Manafort and others was done so with probable cause, as Manafort is linked to corruption and organized crime. If I was in charge of the DOJ, I would have requested a FISA warrant myself on Manafort the individual. And several others. What the DOJ does is independent of the White House. At least with Obama. Sessions on the other hand…
Giancarlo85
Here is what could have happened: the Russian agents that called Trump campaign officials were the ones that were being monitored. They had warrants on several of these people… So if they called you and you had a conversation with them, the conservation is recorded.
That doesn’t mean anyone in the Trump campaign was monitored directly.
Time to put your thinking cap on little Hoffy.
natekerchel
Collateral damage I call it mhoffman. The trump miscreants were caught because the people they were colluding with were being monitored. We have yet to hear the worst about Manafort and Sessions of course. Even IF trump was not directly colluding with the Russians he is the leader – you may remember that, famously, Harry Truman had a sign on his desk which read ‘The Buck Stops Here’ . That also applies to trump. But he is a man without ethics or integrity. he will happily throw the minions under the bus to save his own neck – again, much like Nixon did.
Giancarlo85
This is almost what is being suggested. Trump campaign officials did in fact have contact with individuals who had warrants. Stupid. Really stupid.
I wonder what they found out… This could wind up being the cancer that destroys this presidency.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 When you say, “Here is what could have happened: the Russian agents that called Trump campaign officials were the ones that were being monitored. They had warrants on several of these people… So if they called you and you had a conversation with them, the conservation is recorded”, the intelligence committee says the surveillance collected wasn’t in regards to Russia, conversations with Russians, or the investigation into Russia. So, yes I already have my thinking cap on, I think you misplaced yours with a tinfoil cap.
Mo Bro
Reminds me of Obama’s claim that, as a result of his being elected, “the seas will stop rising and the globe will stop warming.”
Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaa
DCguy
Please provide a link that backs up your comment.
If you can’t, then admit you were lying, or in reality just simply an anti-lgbt bigot who sees their only job as to always try to divert attention away from any topic not favorable to GOP bigots.
Hmmm, now what was the topic? Oh, that’s right, it was that batsh*t crazy Trump is trying to defend his constant lying by claiming that a few of them ended up being not too far off the mark after he told the lies.
Giancarlo85
Mobro is a bad liar. If you are going to make things up, at least make an attempt at being convincing.
Mo Bro
@DCguy:
@Giancarlo85:
For the record, I believe that both you ladies are certifiably insane, so there’s no need to reply to my comments or make requests of me—I won’t be responding to your craziness.
Good day.
Giancarlo85
Here is what Obama stood for when it comes to the environment. Cleaner oceans, clean air and cleaner water. You could drink water without fear of getting cancer for example.
Now that Trump is rolling back all protections, if you live in a red state you will be subject to corporations. You will live in a toxic waste dump. Look at West Virginia. One of the most catastrophic in the whole country environmentally.
I personally don’t want to live in a toxic waste dump with oil spills from stupidly thought out pipelines and such. Keystone was approved today… It is a useless and stupid idea.
Giancarlo85
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58d52fa4e4b02a2eaab2f665?
Nunes isn’t helping Trump out now lol. If Democrats go after Manafort this is about to get really ugly.
Giancarlo85
Nunes could be doing this to take the heat off him. He misled Trump and talked to him without informing his colleagues. He violated the separation of powers too. The committee is supposed to be independent of the President. Nunes himself could be removed and censured at this point.
natekerchel
I wonder why Mo Bro is so absurd with his claims. He knows for sure that almost everything he says is either a lie or designed to deflect attention from some trump nastiness by accusing others. Does he really believe that he is going to convince anyone on this site that he is right? I don’t believe he is that naive. I think the sole purpose of his being here is to attempt to ‘muddy the waters’ and try to sew doubt in some people’s minds – not to mention being downright nasty to people. He is different to most of the other troll lovers here – I think most of them actually do believe the lies and delusions emanating from the White House. But Mo Bro does not – he is very much in the mould of his political master – nasty, vicious, lying, homophobic sociopath. I say these things based on his behaviour on this site – not because I want to be nasty to him.
natekerchel
correction – trump lovers not troll lovers
1EqualityUSA
same difference
Mo Bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJfGx4G8tjo
Watch it and weep, Nate.
Then apologize.
Then go back to your meat pies.
ivanw222
@mhoffman953, you are correct in saying that there was surveillance that included legal wire taps on phone lines used to call Mr. Trump. However, it was run by the FBI and not the White House. Where you are wrong is thinking this would make it to the daily intelligence briefing. The FBI is well known for keeping their cards close to the chest, and what they were investigating wasn’t of interest to the White House. The information never would have gone that high up.
mhoffman953
@ivanw222 You are partially correct in some of what you said. The part which I will concede that COULD BE true is the part of the surveillance not making it into the daily intelligence briefing, only IF the information collected didn’t consist of a material importance, meaning nothing important was collected in the surveillance. I will also concede that we are now learning there were “wire taps” / “surveillance” / “information collection” (whatever your word of choice is) on communications of President Trump and his associates.
The part I disagree with you about is when you say it was run by the FBI. James Comey said there was nothing done by the FBI in that regard. If you are correct, then James Comey is lying (which wouldn’t be hard to believe).
We all need to know who collected the information, who ordered the information collection, and why was the information collected. But we all can agree that there was surveillance of communications.
natekerchel
mhoffman – No – there were no wiretaps on trump. There may have been wiretaps on people who were communicating with trump associates. You would have to ask what led to those people being wiretapped in the first place. Were their names just plucked out of thin air? No. There was good reason to suspect they were up to no good in some way. The fact that these these individuals were in contact with the trump campaign people rightly raises questions. Not only has this collateral damage netted Flynn and Sessions, the FBI at least seem to think that there is more to come. As far as I can see, the only people so far directly implicated in wrong-doing of some kind are all senior trump advisers. All the stuff about Obama and who leaked what is just an attempt to distract from the criminal activities perpetrated by trumps closest advisers.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel When you say, “There may have been wiretaps on people who were communicating with trump associates. You would have to ask what led to those people being wiretapped in the first place. Were their names just plucked out of thin air? No. There was good reason to suspect they were up to no good in some way”, you can’t make that assumption.
Perfect example is that in the past, the Obama administration wiretapped Angela Merkel’s communications. Is she “up to no good in some way”? They had to apologize for this one.