Trump’s rash decision to disallow transgender people from serving in the military is the result of funding for his Mexican border wall being threatened.
A Politico report suggests House Republicans planned to pass a spending bill that included the cash necessary to build his proposed and much-ballyhooed wall, but an internal disagreement over trans troops put the future of that bill on shaky ground.
According to insiders, members of the House GOP were afraid they wouldn’t get enough votes because, as Politico reports, “defense hawks wanted a ban on Pentagon-funded sex reassignment operations — something GOP leaders wouldn’t give them.”
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So they turned to Trump, who instantly fired out a tweet announcing the ban; a last ditch effort to save the House proposal, which was packed with campaign promises and teetering towards defeat.
The news comes from several congressional and White House sources.
Quipped one aide: “This is like someone told the White House to light a candle on the table and the WH set the whole table on fire.”
h/t: Towleroad
DCguy
Yeah, the 5 times draft dodger wants to attack loyal troops serving the country.
Of course Trump’s base will cheer, because they LOVE bigotry and couldn’t care less about bravery or America.
Brody
I cheer not because I “love bigotry,” I cheer because political correctness has no place in the military. It’s not a social experiment, it’s the U.S. military, for crying out loud.
Roan
Brody… did you serve?
Brody
Roan —
I did, 1981 – 87, U.S. Army.
Franklin
Some of these some excuses were used when Truman integrated the armed forces, and used to justify DADT. The more things change.
Danny595
Agree 100% with you Brody! And thanks for your service. My dad served a little bit after you left. I love him and all our vets so much. It’s wrong to force the military to hire people who show up with special medical needs and who impose special administrative burdens on the military. “Transgender” service is in no way comparable to LGB service.
Roan
Great, brody, I served as well. 1984-1994. Now please prove that a transgender person is detrimental to the mission.
Brody
Roan –
Read this vet’s comments from yesterday. I believe it speaks volumes on the issue.
https://twitter.com/search?q=jrsalzman&src=tyah
– Brody
Franklin
Actually no. He says someone confused about whether they are a man or woman. That right there shows me he has no idea what being transgender is about. There is no confusion. With all due respect to his service he is wrong. Letting transgender people in is not a social experiment no mare than allowing black, women, and gays was. The military will adapt just like it always has. People need to get over this bs.
jcoberkrom
Transgenders are and have been openly serving, so what’s the problem other then narrow mindedness.
It is about military readiness and yes it will decline when we kick out these well trained individuals and will be hamstringed when the military does not attract the best and brightest.
Oh, it’s not about whether you served or not it’s about wanting the best military we can have and exclusion will keep this from happening.
DCguy
@Brody
You said
I cheer not because I “love bigotry,” I cheer because political correctness has no place in the military. It’s not a social experiment, it’s the U.S. military, for crying out loud.
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Two quick things.
1. You DO realize that the rest of us know that not being “Politically Correct” is GOP code for being racist or a bigot right?
2. You say it’s a social experiment, but are taking the side of a draft dodger with no military experience, against the Secretary of the Army who stated that the ONLY issue with Transgender troops would be the disruptions caused by now firing all of them.
The fact that you want to ignore military experts in favor of somebody with no idea about the military shows that, yes, indeed bigotry is the only reason for your opinion in this area.
Now quick, go on and tell me about how the GOP hating and attacking lgbts isn’t bigotry but just a “Political difference”.
Brody
DC guy –
Educate yourself, sonny. Trump made this decision BASED ON the recommendations from his military advisers, not IN SPITE OF them. The Army secretary you’re so quick to quote is, in fact, not the Army secretary any longer (not to mention that he only had the job for about 8 months, so he wouldn’t be the best source for experience in this particular field).
– Brody
Alexis
Sorry @Brody, but if you believe what Trump says or tweets after all that he has done in the past six months…you are a fool in denial. I bet if Trump were to take away all of your rights, you will still root for him…major Stockholm syndrome on your end
OzJosh
Brody, there are transgender soldiers (and officers) in the military in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Sweden, Canada and The Netherlands (to name just a few US allies). If the US military can’t fathom how this can work without any impact on morale and operational efficiency, then one has to question how they can summon the intelligence to mount an effective military campaign.
dwes09
Brody, with clueless foolishness says: “It’s not a social experiment, it’s the U.S. military, for crying out loud.” which is EXACTLY what was said when blacks were allowed to serve alongside whites (and it worked), EXACTLY what was said when women were allowed more inclusive roles (and it worked) and EXACTLY what was said when gay men and women were allowed to openly serve (And, idiot, it worked).
You regressives are so painfully simpleminded, were the country actually run by you for long we would be back in the 12th century.
I suppose you also laud (look it up) today’s call by the justice department to allow discrimination in federal hiring of gay and lesbian folks? After all we know how easily we are blackmailed and how spineless we are (at least as regards gay regressives like you).
GayEGO
Brody…I was in the U.S. Navy from 1959-1963 and the real problem in the military are the sexual predators, mostly straight/homophobic, and because I was a Navy Musician who played the flute, I was harassed by them so don’t tell me about LGBTs because they are not sexual predators. The Trans Navy Seal and other strong LGBTs, they deserve to be honored and Trump is just a wheeling dealing salesman trying to stiff trans etc. like he has stiff contractors, pilfered money from his illegal unregistered Trump Foundation, and paid $25 million to the plaintiffs lawsuit of the fake, illegal Trump University. This article says it all!
Ummmm Yeah
Win win. No illegals suppressing wages and committing crimes and no taxpayer funded elective procedures for transgenders.
oddchild1
The only thing suppressing wages is refusal to raise the minimum wage and make sure a rises and is adjusted for inflation. No different than viagra; gender reassignment therapy is a medically approved treatment to improve the quality of lives of people afflicted by their conditions; funny how you and your ilk have no problem with free viagra payed for by tax payers?
Danny595
People who use viagra don’t follow up with surgery and aren’t rendered incapable of serving for weeks or months as they recover.
Nor does viagra cause mood swings and interference with judgment.
Nor does viagra have to be shipped out to Iraq and Afghanistan, as hormones would.
Nor do 41% of viagra users try to commit suicide.
Nor do people with viagra wage war on male and female and seek to upend the orderly division of the sexes which the military requires in order to function.
Brian
Um, perhaps you should think more about this. And Danny, your arguments are irrelevant to most people. Veterans don’t need to be “shipped out to Iraq.” Many trans people currently enlisted won’t want surgery. Y’all have given this a moment’s thought. You’re just dumb bigots.
Franklin
Served in the military and totally think transgender people can serve. Medications do go with you on deployments depending on what type of deployment it is. The high suicide rate might have something to do with experiencing not only gender dysphoria but maybe also the bigotry from both the straight and gay people such as yourself. And the whole orderly division of the sexes argument? Save it. Nine other countries allow transgender people into the miltiary. Are our troops really so fragile that can’t handle working next to transgender people?
Ummmm Yeah
People that are bipolar can be medicated too. The military doesn’t keep them though. So why make a special case and take on the expenses for this one disorder?
Danny595
@Franklin
“Served in the military”
No, you didn’t.
“Medications do go with you on deployments depending on what type of deployment it is.”
But with transgenders, it couldn’t depend on the type of deployment. They would need their meds shipped everywhere, even to the most remote part of Afghanistan.
“The high suicide rate might have something to do with experiencing not only gender dysphoria but maybe also the bigotry from both the straight and gay people such as yourself.”
False, but also completely irrelevant. It’s not the military’s job to figure out why a group has a 41% suicide rate and then fix their problems. The military’s job is to fight wars.
“Are our troops really so fragile that can’t handle working next to transgender people?”
Disgusting and disrespectful to attack the troops if they won’t bear extra burdens placed on them by trans activists. Absolutely vile. Also, the attack on male/female goes beyond “working next to” transgender people.” It attacks everything from housing to bathroom usage to uniforms to protocols for addressing officers. Trans activists always start off by talking about simple transsexuals who are living as the opposite sex but once they get in the door, their effort always shifts to destroying the gender binary. Within a year, we would be talking about how the military needs to address the needs of genderfluid demis and has to provide castration surgery for the “neutrois. – both of whom are under the trans umbrella – and about how servicemembers can no longer refer to themselves as men and women because that doesn’t make trans folk feel welcome. Screw all of this endless trans activist garbage and focus on fighting wars.
captainburrito
Do you seriously think a wall will mean no illegals? The UK has illegals and they are an island and no one is swimming over. You can’t even control illegal guns, never mind people.
The cost thing is a legitimate issue but the military cost of healthcare for trans is $4-8million a year. Security cost for a round trip for Trump to Mar-a-Lago is about $4M. So far he has racked up about $30M.
dwes09
I understand, Danny595 that regressives need to believe the world is simple and nothing is nuanced, but that is never the case. The suicide rate for transgender folks is high for the same reasons the suicide rate is high for homeless gay and lesbian youth. And it doesn’t take much of a brain to figure out why, but the little you possess is too warped by distaste (and poorly founded distaste at that as you have no intellectual edge over anyone).
Given how few transgendered folks there are, and that most would have ALREADY had the surgery they desire, the cost to the government is estimated to be much less than is already being spent on viagra, and remember your idiot-in chief has called for a massive increase in an already bloated military budget. Hormones can be taken via patches that are cheap and long lasting, and given the few people involved, OF MINIMAL COST.
Remember nimrod, when the brown shirts come for you, whining that you supported them when they came for the transgender folks won’t do you a bit of good. If you are actually a gay person, that might make sense to you.
Franklin
@Danny595 Where to begin.
“No you didn’t” Hmmmm, well that’s not what my DD214 says. Thankfully though, I only have to prove my service to future employers and not some anonymous queen on a gay blog.
“They would need their meds shipped everywhere” No, they give you enough meds to last your deployment before you leave, but you know nothing about medicine in the military so you wouldn’t know that.
As far as your dig about the suicide rate, unless you have credentials in psych, I don’t think you have the credibility to speak on who is and is not stable enough joined the armed forces.
As far as my last comment, I find it more disrespectful that you believe that the service members are incapable of adapting to change like they always have. They adapted with gays entered the military. They adapted when women entered the armed forces. They’ve even adapted when the armed forces were integrated. All the while dinosaurs like you always claimed the sky would fall each time.
I’m actually employed at an MTF right now working with service members that are transitioning. Unlike our twitter President, before any change was announced policies were drafted, and before they were implemented, all commands were briefed on what to expect and how this would work. This has been going on for quite some time now and all the commands at my base have handled things exceptionally. I have first hand knowledge of how to this is working. What do you have other than speculation and bigoted opinions?
P.S. It’s not castration. Maybe you should acutally familiarize yourself what a subject before you try and speak on it.
Daniel-Reader
Isn’t it best to examine his financial records to be certain Russia wasn’t paying him, which shouldn’t be a problem since he says he’s done nothing wrong?
Daniel-Reader
Also, so far expeditures on Trump security surpass all 8 years of the last president so shouldn’t taxpayers get reimbursed by Trump since he forces the government to rent space in his properties to be near enough to protect him? He’s paying himself that way when he goes to his properties so taxpayers should get a refund from him, right?
Cy
Reading the tweets, there is no doubt in my mind that Trump did not write these words. They include proper grammar, sentence form and words that are far too big and complex for Trump to have written and understood. Not saying he didn’t approve of them, but he did not write them. Now that begs the question, “when these tweets are the common form of communication the President of the United States has with the people, who is actually speaking for the President?”
Brian
He said please and thank you! That’s extremely rare – for him.
Ukin Blome
Superclosetqueen Tony Perkins of course of course
mdk4611
I work with the military and I am proud of EVERYONE that serves that keeps me safe. Transgender deserve the same consideration as anyone in the military. The media focuses on the expense or surgery, etc. The numbers that complete surgery is smaller than you would think. Chelsea Manning’s case is the face of this issue. I her case, I disagreed that if you were in prison for treason or espionage, you forfeit the benefit of surgery. It was not life or death, was elective, and if you are a criminal against US, then you lose the benefit of non-life threatening and elective surgery. When your selling secrets against the US, you should have considered the real consequences of your criminal behavior. Did you really think you would get away with it? We should let the military service members serve as they always have. Transgender didn’t start enlisting recently. They have always been there. Now everyone recognizes it and uses as a platform to get political party support. The military was once afraid of gay and lesbian service members. Transgender will be an issue for some time to come but doesn’t have to be if leadership would recognize the quality of the service member and not what bathroom they use. We will get there but only with time and education of the people in power.
jhon_siders
Well this will turn around and bite the military in the ass as it did years ago with don’t ask don’t tell in the high tech end of things The army alone lost 100s of technicians that were vital to IT & IS along with translators and it hindered them during the first gulf war not having these highly skilled people .
WindsorOntario
Trump and his supporters are on a path to dismantle everything Obama has done. If you don’t think that includes marriage equality, this shows these people are serious and we should be ready if and when that does happen.
This has nothing to do with the military, saving money or anything like that. This is personal for Trump in regards to undoing anything and everything Obama worked for.
Frank
NAILED IT….
Brody
Which is exactly why I voted for him.
Alexis
@Brody, you’re right. Anyone with without morals or doesn’t care about others should have for him. No wonder you’re all alone…
dwes09
“Which is exactly why I voted for him.”
Proving , as i imply above, that you are not at all bright.
We have little use for heterosexual regressives here so i advise you to leave unless you like the abuse you deserve here.
Charlie in Charge
Now the Republicans attack war heroes. Nothing is sacred to them anymore other than their ceaseless crusade against everything that the truly decent Obama administration built.
Bob LaBlah
Sooner or later he will bring up Chelsea Manning and what she did. Manning didn’t exactly help the cause.
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DCguy
I”m loving he fact that the morning news shows are mocking this action by Trump. Pointing out that this is a distraction attempt because the Russia investigation is closing in and the health care legislation is failing.
Oh No Trump, the Media is finally calling out your sad attempts to play games, what WILL you do!?
GayEGO
Trump will have a hissy fit of course and blame everyone else for his losing, BIGLY! :>)
Heywood Jablowme
“After consultation with my Generals and military experts,”
Trump LIES yet again. He didn’t consult with any of them. Now they’re pissed off.
Trump was obviously utterly unaware there are already about 4,000 trans people in the military.
Trump manages to piss off Republican senators who think the trans troops already serving are fine: McCain, Joni Ernst, Dan Sullivan (all veterans), even 83-year-old Orrin Hatch.
Trump as usual leaves his press secretary twisting in the wind because as usual she wasn’t told anything about the new “policy.”
Trump forgets that tweets are not actual legal orders… well, that’ll come in handy next week when he forgets he ever tweeted it.
GayEGO
What a mess Trump is, he is only interested in what he wants, which is to win! When he loses, he denies it and blames everyone else!
loulou2lou
Trump is a despot & an aberation who can turn on a dime.His simple mindedness make him a danger to all of us.
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I’m a gay man and I sort of support the trans ban. I read this article and it sounded pretty good. http://goprouder.com/gay-men-women-accept-trumps-trans-ban-2/
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