As a gay media site, we were shocked to discover that multinational, mainstream news network CNN has been gay this whole time, too.
Then we realized the outing came via Tucker Carlson Tonight, where facts are about as valued as objectivity. So, not at all.
During his Wednesday Fox News broadcast, Carlson welcomed Chadwick Moore for a discussion about Florida’s so-called “Don’t Say Gay” bill.
The bill, which was introduced by state Republicans last month, would make it illegal for teachers to talk about sexual orientation and gender identity in Florida primary schools.
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Moore, a gay man who “came out as a conservative” after writing a puff piece on Milo Yiannopoulos five years ago, characterized opponents of the bill as “wacky.”
He added that “gay media like CNN” were wrong to oppose it.
Carlson sat with his signature furrowed brow as Moore’s perplexing comment came and went, before chiming into call opposition to the bill nothing more than a “fundraising opportunity for the Human Rights Campaign.”
Gay, conservative group the Log Cabin Republicans praised the interview, tweeting that Moore had “called out the Left’s lies about Florida’s parent rights bill.”
WATCH: @Chadwick_Moore called out the Left's lies about Florida's parent rights bill tonight on Tucker Carlson!
"They don't want you to read it. They don't want you to see how reasonable it is. And they don't want to lose any grip they have on the education system." pic.twitter.com/QLoM8gbi20
— Log Cabin Republicans (@LogCabinGOP) February 10, 2022
The exchange wasn’t quite as celebrated outside of the conservative bubble.
“Chadwick Moore you just proved the point of the opposition. ‘You can’t have open discussions in the classroom about gender, sexuality’ so no children will be able to talk about their two dads or their two moms,” tweeted LGBT+ activist Seattle Boone.
“This is not about 5-8 year olds,” he continued. “It’s up to 6th grade. Which includes the years when sex ed starts. Why lie? Because the bill sucks and Republican gay men want power, even if it means telling lgbtq youth they aren’t equal. Shameful.”
The Biden administration has also voiced strong opposition to the bill.
“I want every member of the LGBTQI+ community – especially the kids who will be impacted by this hateful bill – to know that you are loved and accepted just as you are,” President Joe Biden wrote in a tweet on Tuesday. “I have your back, and my Administration will continue to fight for the protections and safety you deserve.”
I want every member of the LGBTQI+ community — especially the kids who will be impacted by this hateful bill — to know that you are loved and accepted just as you are. I have your back, and my Administration will continue to fight for the protections and safety you deserve. https://t.co/OcAIMeVpHL
— President Biden (@POTUS) February 8, 2022
SamB
Please be accurate in your reporting. The bill does NOT, “… make it illegal for teachers to talk about sexual orientation and gender identity in Florida primary schools.”
All the bill does is state that parents are to be involved with these discussions and they will be age appropriate in language and details. Please read it… it’s only 4 pages long with large font size.
BarryM
This is just another pathetic attempt on the part of Queerty to spread fake news.
Cam
Except you’re lying. The bill also mandates that schools out students to their parents, and it prevents them from mentioning the sexuality of say Pete Buttigieg when discussing people in the U.S. government, but not preventing them from mentioning the fact that VP Harris is married. Because if ONE parent doesn’t want it to be discussed that would prevent the teacher from discussing it with the class.
But of COURSE the same old right wing troll would try to hide those facts, you right wingers want to erase LGBTQ people’s existence from the culture.
Your trolling is sad and weak.
wiggie
last line of the bill: prohibiting a school district from encouraging classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels or in a specified manner, etc.
SamB
wiggy: That just means that the discussion isn’t to be started by the teacher. If a kid comes in and says something like “My two dads…” there can be an age appropriate discussion after parents are notified. There really isn’t anything wrong with that. Parents have that right.
kish
Internalized homophobia must be exhausting
Cam
@SamB
You’re a liar. NOWHERE in the bill does it say it’s ok to discuss if the kid brings it up. It is a bar to discussion.
But thank you for making it so obvious that it is a bigoted hate bill. If it wasn’t you wouldn’t have to lie about it so blatantly.
As always, your troll game is sad and weak.
SamB
Cam: Lines 75 to 78: A school district may not encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.
Encourage = support. So the district can’t support a discussion in a manner that is not age-appropriate.
There is nothing in it that says it is banned.
ZzBomb
Not Encouraged = Ban
Pretty simple language there.
ZzBomb
I bet you whine about cancel culture too, don’t ya?
BarryM
Queerty: “Tucker Carlson proves yet again to have the dumbest show on television”
It should read: “Tucker Carlson proves yet again to have the most watched show on television”
Poor Queerty.
Tucker Carlson Tonight is the highest rated program on cable news. His CNN and MSNBC competitors – together – don’t have as many viewers.
Queerty must be very envious.
Imagine if Queerty was read by as many people who watch Carlson’s program. It would be one of the top websites on the internet. Sadly, Queerty’s readership is an infinitesimal fraction of the number of viewers who watch Carlson’s program.
Sour grapes on the part of Queerty? Yes, indeed.
Den
Imagine if Tucker Carlson wasn’t the mendacious cynical manipulator and wanna-be aristocrat/hater of American democracy that he is: you would not be sniveling and falling on your face trying to defend him.
It amazes me that people can be as stupid and easily manipulated as you clearly are. Try for a second to walk in the shoes of the gay and lesbian people you so obviously hate, (and yet lie about being to express your hatred of us). Try to see past the lies you swallow with such ease. Do you really think anybody here does not see right through you?
BarryM
Den:
I’m an out gay man. You fear gays like me because we think for ourselves, unlike you who has joined the group-think chorus.
I believe in freedom. Freedom of conscience, freedom of thought, and freedom of speech for everyone, gay and straight. You obviously do not, therefore, I pity you.
Bosch
@sam it says “OR in a manner that is not age appropriate”
In other words, it can’t be discussed in primary school, and it can only be discussed at higher grades if it’s considered “age-appropriate”.
How old were you when you became aware that you were gay?
Bosch
@BarryM could you explain how restricting discussions about men who marry men and women who marry women relates to free speech?
SamB
What part of “age appropriate” do some of you people have a hard time understanding? This is a reaction to some people’s insistence to force the concept of sexuality on kids that are probably too young to understand it properly. I saw a clip of a woman who was stressing out because she wanted to tell the year old kids in her class that she’s “gender fluid”. This was not a joke clip, she was serious. You don’t tell 4 year old kids anything about your life period… you are “teacher” and they are there to learn. Now, in Florida, if sex or sexuality is to be discussed in a class, it will be with parental approval and at a level the kids understand. HOW is that a bad thing?
Bosch
@Sam what problem do you think this bill is solving? Children are not taught about gay sex, straight sex, any sex.
How are you not aware that this is just a legal crutch for silencing any mention of homoromanticism? You staunchly defended free speech in the case of medical misinformation, but when it comes to teaching children about the different types of family and relationship configurations, you’re ok with silencing?
I don’t understand why being a “conservative” means you need to support anti-gay bills.
Bosch
@Sam I’m afraid you’re misreading the law.
“A school district may not encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels OR in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.”
This means that neither of those things are allowed. NO discussion in primary grade levels, and ONLY in higher grades if it’s considered age-appropriate.
Were you not aware of which of your primary school teachers were married and which were not? There is nothing age-inappropriate about learning that some men are married to men and some women are married to women.
Cam
@SamB
Funny Sammy, you didn’t point out the part where it said that it was ok to discuss these things if the student brought them up. See, you couldn’t because you’re a liar and the bill bans any discussion.
It’s still adorable you think your lying and fake commentary is at all convincing. Again, we know Russia is broke but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE could they spend an extra Nickle a day and hire some smarter trolls?
SamB
Bosch: This is tiring. Age. Appropriate. If a kid in class mentions a gay couple, or has two dads, with tall the parents being notified, it will be dealt with in an age appropriate manner. So that very well be telling the kids “well some times men marry men and women marry woman” and then try to leave it at that. Is that not good enough for you? You want a teacher to teach the kids about gay sex? You want the teacher to bring up in class out of the blue, “Hey, let’s learn about what it means to be gay”? What possible good does that do? Talk about it, in an AGE. APPRPRIATE. manner when and if it comes up. Parents are free, of course, to teach their kids about anything they want, you do realize that, right?
Bosch
@Sam i feel like you don’t quite get what “or” means in this context.
“A school district may not encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels” is a SINGLE clause. The “age-appropriate” descriptor applies to the next clause.
If I say “you may not eat in the living room, or in a carpeted room”, do you interpret that as “I can eat in a livingroom if there’s no carpet”?
Bosch
The scenarios you are describing are fine, Sam, but they do not align with this law.
I’m compelled to ask again, how old were you when you became aware that you love men?
SamB
Bosch: You’re separating the two lines. That’s fine I’m over arguing it. What does it matter how old I was? I was about 7 that’s the earliest I remember. But I wasn’t thinking “sex” I still had no idea what “sex” was, I just wanted to be with other boys I liked in my class but I liked them different than my friends. If you’re going to say “wouldn’t you have loved to have someone explain to you what your feelings were?” No. Many kids go through that kind of thing at that age and do not grow up gay. Let them figure it out… it’ll take years, before you pigeonhole them.
Bosch
Why do you keep bringing up sex? This isn’t about teaching children gay sex. This is about being honest and authentic about the world we live in.
Straight children learn about straight relationships constantly. Half of all fairytales end with the princess and the prince living happily ever after.
How is acknowledging gay people the same as pigeonholing a kid? Maybe if you had learned at a young age that homosexuality is normal and natural, you wouldn’t have as many issues with internalised homophobia.
And before you say you have no internalised homophobia, in this very conversation you equated educating children about gay people to “teaching them gay sex”.
If you are ACTUALLY a gay man, you would want all those little gay and lesbian children to grow up healthy, confident, accepted, and loved. But instead you’re worried about offending the straight kids or offending the homophobic parents.
Break the chain, Sam. If you’re not just a homophobic troll posing as a gay man, break the chain.
SamB
Bosch: What kills me now is that you think you know me by reading a few lines of text, but you do not. I can be gay, happy, and believe this bill will not hurt anyone. I believe parents with kids in primary school have more responsibility to teach their kids about sexuality then a school does. Once the kids get older, and start to understand different concepts and can think more creatively, they can start talking about it in school. I’ve maintained that, as the bill is written, if a kid comes in and says “can two men get married?” the teacher will handle that based on what the board and parents have decided, and that will probably be “yes, two men could marry,” and then leave it at that. What more do you want them to do?
Bosch
Do you actually think that’s what this bill will lead to? Or are you just pretending, because you feel you have to be loyal to anything the conservative party does?
“I can be gay, happy, and believe this bill will not hurt anyone” as a psychologist, I can tell you this bill will ABSOLUTELY hurt gay children. I’m sure you have your opinions about psychology, but my opinion on this matter is actually based on something.
You know, in other first world countries, we pass laws that make discrimination illegal in primary schools. Yet this law in your first world country is encouraging discrimination. And you’re even defending it. Did you somehow grow up without ever encountering homophobia? Or did you just stay in the closet until you were 40?
Bosch
“I’ve maintained that, as the bill is written, if a kid comes in and says “can two men get married?” the teacher will handle that based on what the board and parents have decided, ”
Besides the fact that I’ve explained to you that this is not how the bill is written (laws are formulated in a way that does NOT leave them open to interpretation), why is it a good idea to let homophpboc parents decide whether or not a school will teach about same-sex relationships in addition to opposite-sex relationships? Do you ask racist parents whether or not the school should teach about slavery? Do you ask vegan parents whether or not the school should teach about the nutritional value of meat?
Cam
@SamB
The fact that you are trying SO HARD to lie about what this bill contains shows just how panicked Republicans are that the true nature of this bigoted, hateful, anti LGBT bill.
Sweety, as always, your trolling is sad and weak.
SamB
Bosch: You can analyze me all you want but you’re basing your opinions on what you think someone like me should be like. Not everyone fits the same narrative. If you believe I hate myself then you’ve made up your mind a long time ago and there’s nothing i could do to change your mind, but I really don’t care.
How can you find is so utterly earth shattering that someone openly gay, happy, not believe everything you believe in? Is being gay a monolith… everything thinks the same way?
Bosch
“A school district may not encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.”
Where are you getting the “what the parents decided” part from?
Bosch
I’m not analysing you. You may have noticed from other people’s responses that it doesn’t take a psychology degree to spot your internalised homophobia.
I’m not interested in changing your beliefs. I’m telling you what the law means, and I’m telling you that gay and lesbian children grow up healthier when they see themselves reflected back at them in society.
Teaching children that they are shameful and need to be secretive and hidden, whether explicitly or implicitly, is terrible for their development. That’s not a “belief”, that’s a verifiable phenomenon. But you care more about protecting homophobic parents from having compassionate children.
Bosch
“If a kid comes in and says something like “My two dads…” there can be an age appropriate discussion after parents are notified. There really isn’t anything wrong with that. Parents have that right.”
NO Sam. Parents do NOT have the right to veto another kid’s family. If you can discuss straight parents freely, but not gay parents, that is called anti-gay discrimination. Why on earth would you defend that?
SamB
Bosch: Parental rights are outlined in the bill, above those lines you quoted. You have to put all parts of the bill together to understand it, not just one section.
I’ll make sure to warn my partner that I’m filled with self loathing. You seem to take a difference of opinion very personally… no kid’s family is being erased.
Bosch
Sucking a d!ck doesn’t make you immune to internalised homophobia Sam. It’s a problem all of us deal with. Unfortunately, you let it affect your decision-making.
I want you to explain honestly why you think it’s ok to talk about straight relationships with kids, but not gay relationships.
SamB
Bosch: So because YOU have internalized homophobia, I must have it too? I thought psychology today followed the rule that everyone is unique? Almost too unique??
And it’s a little disconcerting to me that you assume I run around alleyways and dark corners having quick sex with people only to run off and pretend to be straight… just WHERE did you get that from? I’m out, I’m happy, I live very openly with my partner. We travel often (used to at least) and even in homophobic Poland we shared a one bed hotel room without thinking twice.
And your putting words in my mouth… I said it needs to be AGE APPROPIATE.
Bosch
Oh Sam… You’re gonna tell me you don’t have internalised homophobia, and then say “And it’s a little disconcerting to me that you assume I run around alleyways and dark corners having quick sex with people “? All because I asked if you came out late? I never meant to suggest you were promiscuous; your sex drive has not crossed my mind once.
Yes YOU say age-appropriate, but the law discourages ANY discussion in primary school. No food in the livingroom, period.
You say that mentioning gay relationships needs to be run by the school board and the parents. Why shouldn’t the same be done for straight relationships?
SamB
Bosch: No, you said, “Sucking a d!ck doesn’t make you immune to internalised homophobia Sam. It’s a problem all of us deal with.” The implication there being that I have s@x in the dark like it’s dirty then I’m instantly filled with regret and run off and try to be straight to make up for it, and that is absolutely not true.
That’s the problem I have with many psychologists because they tell people what their problem instead of encouraging someone to figure it out and work it through mostly on their own. A + B = Internalized homophobia. I’m here saying that’s not the case with me and you’re trying to force me to accept your diagnosis. I’m not against therapy, I think psychiatry is more scientific, but it’s good to talk through things without medication…. but if this is the type of judgment and projecting you do with your clients are you doing them any good?
Mister P
It’s really a pathetic attempt by the Republicans to erase the LGBTQ+ community. They have to devalue the “others” to feel better about themselves.
Cam
Republicans think if they erase any mention of our existence it will stop people from coming out.
All it will do is add to suicides and have people needing more counseling etc. when they finally do come out.
Republicans attacking Trans people was the start, now they’re onto all queer people, Black people, Latinos, women, etc…
Kangol2
True, though if we pull back a bit they have targeted gay people, Black people, undocumented immigrants, Muslims, etc. depending upon the year and election season. It’s like the magic 8 ball or Madlibs with them when it comes to whom they target. Remember how they wrote anti-gay marriage laws into state law and constitutions in 2004 to help get George W. Bush elected? Or how they pushed the anti-gay policy in the military in the 1990s?
Cam
Log Cabin hasn’t been a legitimate group in over a decade. Their state offices have closed, they aren’t relevant, and they exist now as a funnel for donors and to be trotted out to defend bigotry. This became obvious when they began endorsing anti-LGBTQ bigoted politicians running against pro-LGBTQ politicians.
Remember, when they ran a full page ad in the NYTimes, but when asked for the financial details it was exposed that they were just a funnel for a right wing donor to run the ad. They just put their name to it so it would seem like it came from a “gay group”.
Same here, they aren’t a gay Republican group, they are a Republican group whose job is to give Republicans cover for bigotry. That’s all they are now.
phillycap
This is sadly what happens when you have a supermajority of wingnuts in any one state. They’re a joke. This legislature is a joke. They’re bought and paid for by the Trumpistan racist homophobic wingnuts. And this legislature will lurch further to the crazy because they have gerrymandered this state to where it is impossible for a Democratic legislature to happen. So also, to people do come out AND MORE IMPORTANTLY COME OUT IN NOVEMBER and vote DeSantis out. Torpedoing his presidential ambitions for this Fascist would be sweet.
BarryM
I spend half the year in NYC and half in South Florida. DeSantis is very popular. He’s going to win in November and will probably be the Republican nominee for POTUS in 2024. Plus: He speaks Spanish and Italian fluently. He’ll probably win because he’ll siphon a lot of Catholic votes from Biden (DeSantis is Italian and Catholic and his wife is a Latina).
Kangol2
I disagreed with BarryM’s comments in another thread but I agree here that DeSantis is in a very good position to win reelection, despite his multiple screw ups with Covid, this anti-gay policy, his refusal to condemn Nazis, his dictator-like behavior, etc. He barely–remember–beat Andrew Gillum last time, but since his election he has solidified his support among Republicans, while pushing back at times against Don the Con, and if he does not face a very strong Democratic candidate, he is like to win easily if he runs for reelection. If he runs for the presidency it’s all bets off.
BarryM
Kangol2:
DeSantis didn’t mess up on Covid. Biden did. More people have died due to Covid on Biden’s watch than Trump’s watch. Biden also promised to eradicate Covid, which he hasn’t done.
Add to that: Today – 2/10/2022 – Real Clear Politics average of polls shows Biden to have only a 38% approval rating – even lower than the Orange Man’s approval rating.
Biden’s legacy thus far:
1) High inflation – highest since 1982,
2) crime surging,
3) illegal aliens flooding over the southern border and coming to a town near you,
4) Covid still isn’t eradicated – as he promised to do,
5) the national debt is mounting,
6) Afghanistan was a failure,
7) war mongering over the Ukrainian border,
8) etc.
It’s clear: In November, the Republicans will retake control of the House and Senate, more governorships and state legislatures will be won by Republicans, and after the Congressional hearings – in 2023 & 2024 – into the Biden family’s grifting finances, ill-begotten gains, and influence peddling the GOP standard bearer will be well positioned to win back the White House in 2024.
The Left overreached as they always do, and the Democrats will pay the price.
Bosch
@BarryM your response to kangol agreeing with you is “yeah but biden”? How is he relevant to the conversation? You realise the rest of the world watches America, right? We know EXACTLY how stupidly the American right has been approaching this pandemic.
1) inflation is a slow-respinse phenomenon, and if you think last year’s inflation has nothing to do with the past 5 years, then you don’t know too much about economics.
2) during the Trump presidency, violent crimes against gay people, trans people, people of colour, foreigners, and journalists soared in your country. Not important? Currently crime is surging all over the world due to the lack of social control caused by social isolation. It’s not an American problem.
3) your country was founded by illegal immigrants, so calm your tits
4) “one day, it’s like a miracle, it’ll disappear” – Trump. You know as well as the rest of us who’s responsible for the slow eradication; right wing COVID conspiracies. It’s just a flu, masks are a violation of human rights, vaccines are deadlier than the virus, etc.
5) the national debt is mounting all the time
6) pulling out of Afghanistan was initiated by trump
7) Russia is planning to invade Ukraine, and Ukraine asked your country for help. Western countries are mediating between Russia and Ukraine. Don’t spread russian propaganda.
8) if you have an 8th argument, don’t just write “etc”
None of these points have anything to do with making little gay and lesbian children feel like second class citizens at their own schools. I’m assuming you didn’t discover your sexuality until you were older, but some children are smart.
Bosch
“More people have died due to Covid on Biden’s watch than Trump’s watch. ”
Does it really need explaining why a virus causes less deaths when it just entered a country as compared to once it’s touched the entire population? Math wasn’t your strongest subject, huh?
A more important statistic for your country right now is that the unvaccinated deaths are currently 8 times more plentiful every day in patients 65+, and even higher in younger age groups. And which political paradigm has been turning people away from vaccination?
BarryM
Bosch:
It’s obvious you know nothing about American politics. The Democrats will lose in November and the Republicans will retake control of the House and Senate and then use that power to destroy the Democrats’ socialist/fascist agenda. Period. End of story.
Kangol2
@Bosch, BarryM is a perfect example of why you cannot even try to have a conversation with a right-wing fanatic. Ron DeSantis has repeatedly been called out for his terrible response to Covid-19, both when the fascist coup-plotter Don the Con was president and under Joe Biden. You see that instead of addressing my comments he went on a rant against Biden, and as you see, a good deal of what he had to say was deeply flawed. At any rate, as horrible a person as DeSantis may be and as inept a governor as he’s proved to be, he is still unfortunately in a strong position to be reelected.
kish
Chadwick Moore should not be on television
BarryM
Why not?
Because YOU don’t like him.
Too bad.
kish
No, because he is a clown and a fraud.
I’ve met him. He’s a joke.
Bosch
Was this the same guy who made up a lie about being kicked out of a bar, fawned over Milo, and praised Trump?
kish
Yes. I was there when the bar incident happened. Again, fraud and a joke.
dario717
If you can’t see why the republitards want this, you are either crazy or stupid. Perhaps both.
Jim
The 5-8 year. old issue reminded me of a kindergartener who once asked,
“Are you marries?”
I said, “No”
He quickkly asked, “Do you have a girl friend?’
Again, I said, “No”
It took him a second before he asked,
“Do you have a boyfriend?’
Hey, people young students aren’t stupid or naive. They need an adult to help them understand the world they live in. And not just one adult with one viewpoint.
Heywood Jablowme
What a great story! You really made my day.
gaym50ish
In the same vein, I was a at party once where the hostess had a young gay friend who playfully sat on her lap and kissed her on the cheek. Her 5-year-old daughter asked him, “Do you love my mommy?” She said, “No, Jason loves Tommy.” The little girl said “Oh” and went back to her playthings. She wasn’t shocked and had no further questions. Kids will accept it as normal if they’re exposed to it at her age or even younger.
canadiankid
All I see is parents not wanting to raise their children with kindness and compassion. Parents can’t fathom their kids having differing views and not being a spitting image of themselves. So we don’t want to talk about LGBTQ topics in classrooms because parents have the rights to raise their kids to be homophobes? I don’t think so. Kids in public education should be taught unbiasedly. They should learn about race issues, LGBT issues, we can’t let history keep repeating and keep oppressing people. It’s time to end this. Let kids decide for themselves. Teach them it’s okay to be LGBTQ and it’s okay to support them and while not being LGBTQ yourself.
Fahd
Republicans are always looking for a wedge issue, and gays having a right to marry under the constitution is not going to stop them from trying to use gays as a wedge issue to bring out the hate vote. Didn’t a disingenuous, petty fight over whether parents could tell teachers what they could talk about in the classroom lead to a Republican victory in the Virginia gubernatorial election? The Republicans don’t mind destroying American democracy as long as they win election. Inflame the deep-seated prejudices of the poorly educated and they are sure to show up to vote.
And the gay turncoats, including those Russian trolls in the comments section here, who have no regard for gay families with children should climb back under their rocks. There, I’ve said it.