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Head Of American Family Association Has A Thing For Child Abduction

Hide your kids, hide your wife: Bryan Fischer, Director of Issues Analysis for the American Family Association, is on the loose.

He’s stumbled upon an absolutely marvelous plan that couldn’t possibly go wrong: child abduction! In two tweets last night, he expressed his enthusiasm for “an Underground Railroad to deliver innocent children from same-sex households.”

This is a fascinating reversal of the usual flow of dark Germanic fairy tales: normally, kids are told that if they misbehave, strangers will come in the night to carry them off. But now it’s innocent children who’ll be snatched from their homes.

Way to keep the kids on their toes, Bryan.

Exactly where this de-gaying Underground Railroad would terminate is unclear: Would the kids wind up in Canada, emancipated from their parents and free to start a homestead farm or go to work in a mill? Would they form an adorable rag-tag gang of definitely-not-gay street urchins? Would they be forced to sell their bodies, as so often happens when kids are rejected by the adults in their lives? Would they be mashed into a delicious heterosexual paste?

Each possibility is more tantalizing than the last.

Of course, the reason for this modest proposal is to protect straight people. As Fischer once said, “Do not be under any illusions about what homosexual activists will do with your freedoms and your religion if they have the opportunity. They’ll do the same thing to you that the Nazis did to their opponents in Nazi Germany.”

Well, we wouldn’t want that. Forcibly relocating people based on arbitrary characteristics? That’s just terrible.

By:           Benji Douglas
On:           Aug 8, 2012
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  • 38 Comments
    • Ogre Magi
      Ogre Magi

      Check out the article he links to http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/08/6065

      Aug 8, 2012 at 4:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • drockboston
      drockboston

      A reference to A Modest Proposal. Very impressive.

      Aug 8, 2012 at 4:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • paul
      paul

      This Fischer guy sounds like he is the nazi

      spreading false propaganda to dehumanize a particular segment of the population– yep he sounds like a Nazi

      Aug 8, 2012 at 4:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ogre Magi
      Ogre Magi

      @paul: Here is the contact info for the guy that gave him the idea
      Robert Oscar Lopez
      Assistant Professor
      PhD (2003) SUNY at Buffalo
      Office: Temporarily Unavailable
      Phone: Telephone: (818) 677-3415
      Email: robert.lopez@csun.edu
      Web Site: http://www.textontrial.blogspot.com

      Aug 8, 2012 at 4:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Paul Mc
      Paul Mc

      I managed to read the Lopez piece, indigestible as it was.

      All I can say that he ‘grow up’ somehow ‘strange’. Of course if it applies to one person then of course must immediately extrapolate to ALL children of LBGT parents.

      Note: the artcile is copyright Witherspoon Institute which funded the Regenerus study.

      What a completely circular waste of space and effort.

      Aug 8, 2012 at 5:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chuck
      Chuck

      It’s hard to grow up in a bi-racial family, because you have two different cultures clashing, and as such, you don’t get all of the correct societal cues to determine how you should act in public.

      It’s hard to grow up in a family that has one Christian and one atheist, because you don’t know what spiritual beliefs to follow, and you have to deal with clashing moralities.

      It’s hard to grow up in a single parent family because you only have one role-model, and you don’t get a role-model to determine how you should act in your gender.

      There are ALL different types of families that have ALL different types of difficulties. This Lopez guy sounds like a whiner and a blamer, and he’s just using his political ideology to justify his inability to cope. Maybe he was just a weirdo to begin with. (Many kids from two parent, Christian, heterosexual families are.)

      Aug 8, 2012 at 7:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      @Ogre Magi: Just reading into the first part of the story, it is easy to see something wrong. How can this person state that they are psychologically fit yet in the main body of this writ show many signs of psychological problems. Answer: The “story” is just that. A figment of someone’s imagination. It don’t add up.

      Aug 8, 2012 at 8:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      The story states: “To most outside observers, I was a well-raised, high-achieving child, finishing high school with straight A’s.” ” I have no mental health disorders or biological conditions. I just grew up in a house so unusual that I was destined to exist as a social outcast.” Then in the latter part of this “story” is a breakdown akin to someone (trying in fine detail) to “psychologically” analyze what he wrote like he is some sort of an expert observer on the outside looking in??? Come on!! What a crock!

      Aug 8, 2012 at 8:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      I sent an email to robert.lopez@csun.edu with a link to the famous video with Zach Wahls telling his parental story of being raised by lesbians to lawmakers. I said that if his particular “story” is true than he should put a face on it and have that person go public like Zach Wahls did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ

      Aug 8, 2012 at 9:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ogre Magi
      Ogre Magi

      @Charles: Let us know if he responds

      Aug 8, 2012 at 11:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robroberts
      Robroberts

      Fisher shoul be prosecuted for advocating child abduction.

      Aug 8, 2012 at 11:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      No. 11 · Robroberts wrote, “Fisher shoul be prosecuted for advocating child abduction.”

      Fisher has a First Amendment right to spout, even if he is advocating child abduction. If he does so much as put a draft plan to actually do it on a napkin, then you can nail him, and hopefully the D.A. would do just that.

      Aug 8, 2012 at 11:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Patsy Stoned
      Patsy Stoned

      Bryan Fischer, the embodiment of the judgmental asshole who wants to disrupt other people’s lives. Pay attention gay republicans – THIS is the type of person who’s tune Mittens is tap dancing to…remember quisling Richard Grennel and the person who HOWLED about MItt’s “openly gay” appointee? None other than Fischer himself.

      Fischer is a disgusting excuse for a human being, and the article he linked to is a joke. One asshole whining about his parents doesn’t prove a damn thing – we ALL had to deal with shit growing up.

      Aug 8, 2012 at 11:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      @Ogre Magi: Will do.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 12:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      If one wants to see how LGBT’s have historically and successfully helped raise the young, one only need to research the Native American history of “Two Spirit” people. This race of people (to one degree or another in almost all tribes) had done this for thousands of years before fundamentalist based religion came in from Europe and spoiled everything.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 12:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      No. 15 · Charles wrote, “If one wants to see how LGBT’s have historically and successfully helped raise the young, one only need to research the Native American history of “Two Spirit” people. This race of people (to one degree or another in almost all tribes) had done this for thousands of years before fundamentalist based religion came in from Europe and spoiled everything.”

      It’s no surprise – traditional tribal life was not all that easy, and it is really inefficient to put in the effort to raise children for 12+ years and then throw some out because you discovered a few were gay. The tribes that accepted all their members had a competitive advantage over those (if any) who did not. The Europeans were more advanced technologically and could get away with the inefficiency.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 2:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      While it may well be unpopular here and politically inexpedient to question the trouble-free nature of same-sex parenting, I think it very callous not to critically examine it anyway. In the LGBT community the whole debate is run along the lines of what is in the parents interest. Not many look at what is in the interest of the child.
      Is it free for Ricky Martin’s child when he chooses to have that child with an anonymous surrogate mother who will play no role in the childs life? Who benefits from this arrangement?
      If we do not ask these questions and show real concern for the children then we have become as immoral and egocentric as these retards accuse us of being.
      Gender identity is something fundamental. Forget queer theory. If gender identity was determined by society, then society also determined your attraction, since its obvious we are attracted to genders in different ways as we gay people know. We could not just as well be with a woman, but if “woman” is only a social construct then of course reparative therapy is possible… And if gender identity need not match biological sex then why do transsexuals desire sex change operations and hormone treatments??
      Gender identity must come from somewhere, and obviously the parents play an important role as psychology knows well. Think about that when planning children. Do not deprive the child of its other parent simply for your convenience. That is not how you treat the child you love

      Aug 9, 2012 at 6:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      The Tweet links to an article, but a woman who lived with her mother and her partner for a very short time when she was 19 years old. Before that the two lived in separate houses.

      So is the head of the AFA saying that a 19 year old girl should have been kidnapped and dragged out of her house?

      And what is he proposing be done with those children? After all these conservative organizations want to cut govt. funding for childcare, medical care etc…

      Aug 9, 2012 at 7:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      @MartinDK: In what you state “interest of the child” truly is what is most important, even paramount. This is a given and all here are pretty much aware of this. The core issue here though is the fact that groups like AFA, http://www.missionamerica.com NOM ect…., are spreading total untruths about LGBT’s in order to perpetuate their cause against them any way they can. A form of “Christian” demonizing of all LGBT’s as it may be. Once the air of these bigots are cleared, THEN everyone strait and gay can see much more clearly upon this subject.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 9:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Daez
      Daez

      @MartinDK: What is in the best interest of a child is something that VERY rarely is considered by heterosexual couples. They get divorced, have children out of wedlock and even have children simply to collect welfare funds. They very rarely care how any of this impacts the child.

      However, as gay people, we many times take children that have been placed in the foster system and raise them as our own. These are children from abusive homes created by heterosexual parents who had concern about the interests of the child what-so-ever.

      So, is it in the best interest of the child to then leave them in the foster system until they age out at 18 and are put out on their own with a $500 parting gift, no family, and a small chance of actually making it completely on their own, or should we give them a family that loves and cares about them and wants to see them succeed?

      Aug 9, 2012 at 10:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      When I put the word “Christian” in parentheses, I speak in regard to these phony followers of the words of Jesus. No where in the Gospels does He preach hatred. Using current definitions, nowhere does He speak against gays. Instead, he DID many times, speak up against the Fundamentalists of His time. Jesus did this so much so that they were actually the ones responsible for his Death. Fundamentalists seek power and in their eyes Jesus threatened their power. Today as then, they take the literal print of the Scriptures to its literal letter (via cherry picking method) in selecting segments of the Bible to wield their power over the masses of people. Not surprising, this includes finding reasons to hate LGBT’s. With these people, there is never any truly deep and genuine love nor any compassion in the process of what they do. Fundamentalism only teaches people raw fear of damnation, thereby driving people away. Fundamentalism NEVER teaches what it is to have a healthy submissive respect for God. To have a real and healthy relationship with God. In this the term “Fundamentalist Christian” is truly an oxymoron.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 10:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      “thereby driving people away” I mean driving potentially reachable people like LGBT’s away.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 10:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nickadoo
      Nickadoo

      It’s becoming increasingly apparent that Bryan Fischer is no one. No one cares about him. The majority of reports on his comments are about what a terrible person he is. There are few people who actually support him. He has fewer than 2000 Twitter followers, and the majority of his followers are left wing blogs and gay people who are monitoring him. He’s a grade Z attention whore, and we’re the only people paying any attention to him.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 11:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Daez
      Daez

      @Charles: No, it sounded better the first time. They are driving their own constituents away in droves. As they continue to spread their message of damnation and hatred reasonable and logical people are continuing to leave them behind.

      The truth is, the church in the United States in its present form is dieing. It is dieing because people are becoming more educated and less dependent on fairy tales. It is also dieing, sadly, because as the amount of life time pain and suffering that the average person goes through increases it gets much harder to imagine the hellfire and brimstone approach to religion. Most of the truly religious that are left are also truly mentally ill.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 2:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Daez
      Daez

      @Nickadoo: The vast majority of “Christian” zealots are like that. It is so obvious. The lady I had a conversation with on Facebook the other day kept talking about how bad she was as a person and how she had to repent daily in hopes that god would forgive her and love her. It was a reoccurring theme in the conversation. The only real break from that theme is when someone made the comment that she was getting more popular than they were and she took this with great enthusiasm. It is quite obvious that she was an attention seeker with very low self-esteem.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • esperando
      esperando

      Given the history of Lebensborn, Fischer’s Nazi comparison reaches a whole new level of disgusting irony.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 2:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @Charles: Yes I agree and understand you perfectly. Once the irrational persecution of LGBT stops everyone can see much more clearly on this subject.
      AND I wholeheartedly agree that their christianity is misunderstood – at best…

      Aug 9, 2012 at 3:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @Daez: While you are right in saying that straights sometimes do bad things to their children and that gays can be kind foster parents, neither thing justifies the creation of motherless children (or fatherless).
      Unfortunately some gay or lesbian peole prefer to have their child to themselves, and not have to bother with the other biological parent. This is selfish and contrary to the interest of the child. Buying a child from a surrogate mother is treating the child and mother as objects that can be had which is inhuman and evil. We have no right to do this. Human beings and their feelings can never be monetized in an ethical way. It remains immoral and damaging.
      Sure some children lose a parent or they divorce, but dont tell me these things are not disasters of the first magnitude for those children.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 4:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      @Daez: For what it is worth, I’m not a “religious” person. Religions were all created by people. Historically religions are the source of the world’s greatest bloodshed. I understand the IQ versus being religious comparisons. That the higher the IQ the less propensity one has for being religious and vice versa. I also know that the reason why Greek mythology failed. It was because the deities being venerated were corrupt like any other common corruptible humans. In this, they had no redeeming value, nothing to look up to. On the other hand, the words of Jesus persist even unto today. Fairy tale or not, there are words of wisdom there for the taking. Much greater wisdom than “wisdom” I have heard from higher than average IQ people. Wisdom that if sought by one with no corrupted motivation, has the power to heal the soul. As far as IQ goes it has limitations. It was designed to measure one’s potential for rudimentary learning, high level learning. Nothing more, nothing less. IQ CANNOT measure true wisdom. As far as myself, I don’t have a college degree, no not even a high school diploma. Additionally I have consistently scored lower than average on IQ tests. Back to the original purpose of my writing. It is Fundamentalism that DEMANDS it’s congregants to abandon their God given gift of thought and reason. It is Fundamentalism that is the core root of virtually all of the bigotry and homophobia the LGBT community has been experiencing. The beginning of the solution is for us to put aside the highly charged emotions and use the power of thought and reasoning to start solving this issue.

      Aug 9, 2012 at 5:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dave
      Dave

      @MartinDK Let’s dissect your post.
      While it may well be unpopular here(Not jut here) and politically inexpedient to question the trouble-free nature of same-sex parenting (It is always inexpedient to base questions on false equivalences. Nobody claims same sex parenting to have a “trouble free nature”,but rather to be equal to opposite sex parenting. Opposite sex and same sex parents can tell you that parenting does not have a trouble free nature.) , I think it very callous not to critically examine it anyway. (I think any good parents who plan their family critically examine their own motivations for wanting a child, we are not an exception. I also think all good parents critically examine their own parenting style/technique, again we are not an exception. I think it is very callous to suggest critical examination of same sex parenting without suggesting the same examination of opposite sex parenting not to mention unproductive. Examining same sex parenting without equally examining opposite sex parenting is indicative of a double standard. This examination will also not be able to inform the debate.) In the LGBT community the whole debate is run along the lines of what is in the parents interest. Not many look at what is in the interest of the child.(The more responsible heterosexuals plan their families, they have a child by choice. They want nurture someone, to watch them grow physically and emotionally, to be a part of building the next generation and helping them to navigate the journey of life and to achieve their full potential. Noble as these reasons are they are still the parents interests. Before a child is conceived there are no child’s interest only those of the parents. )
      Is it free for Ricky Martin’s child when he chooses to have that child with an anonymous surrogate mother who will play no role in the childs life? Who benefits from this arrangement? Sorry not sure if I understand “free” if you mean did the child have a choice in existence, no, no it is impossible for a child who does not exist yet to express interest in existence. You may recall you did not have a choice in weather, or when you where conceived. Perhaps you mean could his children choose to have a mommy and daddy or 2 daddies, Also no. Children do not choose their parents. This is a false dilemma)
      If we do not ask these questions and show real concern for the children then we have become as immoral and egocentric as these retards accuse us of being.(Basing questions on false equivalences and false dilemmas,and asking for examinations that will not inform the debate shows artificial concern not real.)
      Gender identity is something fundamental.(A fundamental part of who you are) Forget queer theory.(I never learned it.) If gender identity was determined by society, (it is not determined by society it is up to us to discover our own identity society’s contribution is naming our identity.) then society also determined your attraction,(society has never negotiated with me to affect my attractions only my actions.) since its obvious we are attracted to genders in different ways as we gay people know. We could not just as well be with a woman,(GAY men are not attracted to women.) but if “woman” is only a social construct (Woman is not a social construct it is an identity.) then of course reparative therapy is possible…(Your supposition while technically correct is based on a false assumption and therefore has no validity.) And if gender identity need not match (Does not always match.)biological sex then why do transsexuals desire sex change operations and hormone treatments?? (Just because they don’t need to match does not mean someone would not want them to.Not all trans persons want surgery or hormone treatments. For all people desires for surgeries and medical treatments are as personal and as varied as the choices to have said surgery or treatment.)
      Gender identity must come from somewhere,(genetics/epigenetics) and obviously the parents play an important role as psychology knows well. (It’s not obvious and there is no evidence that parents help shape gender identity of their children. But now we are not debating about LGBT persons fitness for parenting anymore. We have not had a productive debate and cannot when the debate itself is changed with such frequency.) Think about that when planning children.(I have thought about the importance of gender on development. If I Do decide to raise a child I I hope I will be able to allow my child the opportunity to see the worlds amazing diversity.) Do not deprive the child of its other parent simply for your convenience. That is not how you treat the child you love.(Now we are finally back to debating LGBT persons fitness for parenting. But you do so with a false dilemma/double standard. We don’t accuse heterosexuals who adopt or use a surrogate of depriving a child of it’s other parent(s). Dishonest debate is not only inexpedient it is a direct impediment to productive debate. Providing a dishonest debate no matter how convenient, is not how you treat people you respect or love and is not a sustainable defense. I hope that you will consider this so that the debate may continue.)

      Aug 9, 2012 at 7:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @Dave: That was a very long and not very coherent way of saying “no i dont like what you said” unfortunately your unstructured nonsense does not make the essential problem go away that babies are designed without access to one parent.
      Saying that psychology does not emphasize the role of the parents in normal development of gender identity ignores the facts, but then you ignore whatever you please. That is not reason, or argument just your biased opinion which is noted. Try reading books and get facts. If you have to comment on everything at least make them interesting, not just long…
      Insisting on debating straights while debating gays blurs out the focus. This is not a competition for who is least bad as you seem to want to engage. It is talking about how gays should get the children they cant get with their partner. That should not be done in a way that deprives the child of contact to one biological parent and hence the very important input to development coming from that parent.

      Aug 10, 2012 at 12:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • LaTeesha
      LaTeesha

      @MartinDK: The research doesn’t support your statements. I’ll stick with the evidence rather than your opinions. I’m guessing you’re one of these “only genetic parents can be listed on birth certificates” folks. My work brings me across a lot of such folks and you’re sounding an awful lot like them. While your rhetoric is good for a laugh that’s about all it’s good for.

      Aug 10, 2012 at 12:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • LaTeesha
      LaTeesha

      I’ve told my gay friends for years that they should be armed, trained in the use of firearms, and routinely practice using a firearm. I hear the gay community constantly talking about how much more accepting society is today. Perhaps, overall, society is more accepting. However, I firmly believe that those opposed to the LGBT community have become much more violent in their rhetoric and it’s only a matter of time before some crazy shoots up a LGBT community center instead of place of worship for Sikhs. Let’s not forget that the Olympic bomber also bombed an Atlanta lesbian (and gay) bar.

      I now believe gay parents should give serious consideration to being armed to protect themselves and their children. Fischer has 1 million listeners. You think all of those folks are sane? I don’t. Yes, the mentally stable part of the country has developed more compassion & acceptance towards the gay community. However, I think the homophobes of today are much more dangerous than the homophobes of yesterday. I wouldn’t put it past someone to try and kidnap the child of a gay couple. If somebody could steal the Lindbergh baby they could certainly manage to steal the child of a gay couple.

      Aug 10, 2012 at 12:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @LaTeesha: You sound really balanced with your gun talk. Not paranoid at all…
      I guess you also think Ricky Martin does the right thing having a son with a surrogate mother he will never know. Of course not having a mother is a trivial thing. Im sure lots of “research” supports you. It will mostly be pseudointellectual gibberish that tries to sound fancy but is far removed from real empirical evidence – like queer theory. Real psychology like that of Jung and others knows how important the role of the parents are.
      Some might say Ricky Martins money will pass to his son. So will Michael Jackson’s to his children. Their childhood is an ugly farce and no money will ever put that right or compensate.
      I hope you never have children. You seem incapable of focusing on their needs. You prefer to explain those needs away. I would not laugh at you. You are just sad

      Aug 10, 2012 at 2:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jack
      jack

      This a$$hole doesn’t believe a thing he says. He is a bomb thrower. He says outrageous things to keep his followers riled up and his ratings and speaking fees high. Its how he and a lot of the other wingnuts earn a good living. They don’t give a rats a$$ about average Americans. They remind me of the racist southern politicians who for a century stayed in power by telling poor whites that the black man was their enemy. All the while living the good life themselves and doing little to lift up the lower classes.

      Aug 10, 2012 at 3:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Schlukitz
      Schlukitz

      Umm, where does this “Underground Railroad to deliver innocent children from same-sex households” terminate?

      In his bedroom?

      Aug 10, 2012 at 3:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • paza
      paza

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      Aug 10, 2012 at 10:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles
      Charles

      @Ogre Magi: It’s been a few days now and (sorry guys and gals) no response. I don’t think that I will get one either. Again, I think that this story teller should be made to step up to the plate and go public. This for the purpose of revealing the physical person behind this story. The story that was used as a platform for Bryan Fischer’s rant. It’s called, “Put up or shut up”.

      Aug 12, 2012 at 12:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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