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It’s Hysterical to Hear Archbishop Timothy Dolan Continue Saying He’s Not Anti-Gay While Affirming Anti-Gay Positions

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New York’s Archbishop Timothy Dolan says that “before I make any daring, creative changes,” he wanted to lay low for the first year. He lied. He immediately decided to jump into the gay marriage debate in New York, condemning the notion that marriage discrimination should be declared illegal.

“Marriage is classically defined as a life-long, loving, life-giving union between a man and a woman … That’s the definition encoded in the human person. That’s been the defintion respected from the beginning. And it’s served society well.” But Dolan says that when that interpretation of marriage is “interpreted” as anti-gay, he “cringes.” And because the Church is so, uh, pro-gay, Dolan says he’s victimized by the other side of the debate.

Because really, they’re the victims.

Including when the gays try to march during the St. Patrick’s Day parade. “It’s a wise decision” to ban the gays, he says, because doing so would violate “the integrity” of the parade.

This guy is just terrible.

(Cue to 7:50 for the segment on gay marriage.)

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On:           Feb 26, 2010
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  • 30 Comments
    • Gary
      Gary

      In this definitional quagmire, for the Church and many Christians, encouraging gays to partner together is against the gays’ best interests (perhaps the Maggie Gallagher twist of what it means to be anti-gay and why she can claim to be pro-gay).

      All that prevents gays from the sodomy is better for the gays and their humanity.

      Feb 26, 2010 at 1:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      If gay marriage becomes legal these guys will be in the same uncomfortable and unsustainable position that the Mormons were in back in the late 70’s when they refused to allow blacks to be full members of their church. The bigotry just becomes more and more obvious.

      Feb 26, 2010 at 1:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • terrwill
      terrwill

      Timothy Dolass is classic wolf in sheeps clothing. He appears to be the jovial central casting Irish Priest you’d love to sit and have a beer with. Yet he is closly tied with the hateful men in dresses and pointy hats at the vatican…………..

      Feb 26, 2010 at 1:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fradiavolo
      fradiavolo

      Hey, Timmy, have you buggered an altar boy today?

      Feb 26, 2010 at 1:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David
      David

      Its strange to me that America is made to look like the best place on earth while the politics are backwards.

      Feb 26, 2010 at 2:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Daniel
      Daniel

      Remember in Italy there is a law that sends you to prison for criticizing the Roman Catholic Church (also known as the Vatican) so you should criticize it and speak out against the human rights violations it perpetuates whenever you get the chance since the people of Italy cannot. Religious fascism thrives at the national level in Italy.

      Feb 26, 2010 at 2:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • stopthecameras
      stopthecameras

      OMG

      Feb 26, 2010 at 2:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Brian En Guarde
      Brian En Guarde

      The Catholics are coming out of their church, and going into the public realm to have a cause and effect on me. Well then, we should go after them! Those nuts think they are eating their god’s flesh and drinking his blood! Creepy ghouls. Look how all that pink flesh and blood have puffed up this fuck like a giant hate tick! FUCK THE CHURCH!

      Feb 26, 2010 at 2:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • terrwill
      terrwill

      Q: How do you get a Nun pregnant?????

      A: Dress her like an altar boy!!! : p

      Feb 26, 2010 at 3:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Ehrenstein
      David Ehrenstein

      @fradiavolo: Of course he has. That’s why he’s against gay marriage. It doesn’t provide altar boys for him to fuck.

      Feb 26, 2010 at 3:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      Just another closet case…

      Feb 26, 2010 at 3:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ex-Catholic
      Ex-Catholic

      You know, I don’t really care about marriage, personally. I don’t plan to get one when the right is given to me. But he’s talking about what’s good for the State of New York? The priest at the church three blocks away from me had to be removed from his post a few years ago because he was molesting a 14 yr old boy. Who knows how many other kids he molested at that church and others prior to that appointment? The usual round of Protestant-blaming, and gay-blaming, and victim-blaming followed with the official “apologies” and statements and the congregation’s “support” of this guy.

      Maybe the Catholic Church is what’s “not good for the state of New York.” I’d rather see two mature men or women married to one another – even if it’s not for me – than listen to this self-serving, sanctimonious crap that people mistake for religious piety and true leadreship.

      Feb 26, 2010 at 4:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
      Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"

      Oh yes, the men in the pretty dresses, jeweled and embroidered in gold, their silk hats and ribbons all so pretty, telling everyone who to love and how to live.

      Isn’t it interesting that those who preach the bible know so little about what is in it? This asswipe states, “That’s the definition encoded in the human person. That’s been the defintion respected from the beginning.” Really? And what of all those extra wives and all that begatting? I guess one is just to ignore those parts, you know, the ones about Moses 2 wives, King David’s multiple wives (4?) oh, and his mistresses….

      Feb 26, 2010 at 4:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AlanInSLCUtah
      AlanInSLCUtah

      He sure has mastered the skill of bullshitting with a smile…or at least he thinks he has. What a dumb fuck!

      Feb 26, 2010 at 4:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Pete
      Pete

      This guy is starting to look like NOM’s guy, Brian Brown. Both look like ten pounds of shit stuffed in a five pound bag. If Dolan’s Church is so kindly to gays, just not allowing them marriage, why has his church opposed all gay civil rights, whether housing, jobs, health care, etc????? Ask him why he opposes birth control and equality for women ? He will oppose anything in order to get his next promotion as a cardinal.
      In the St Patrick’s parade this year, I’d love to see a thousand gays moon him with huge green shamrocks painted on their butts .

      Feb 26, 2010 at 5:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Hyhybt
      Hyhybt

      The @reply seems to be taking the afternoon off, but to #13: a minor point, but polygamy, as usually practiced, is still marriage between a man and a woman. It’s just that the man is allowed to enter into more than one marriage simultaneously.

      Feb 26, 2010 at 6:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tjr101
      tjr101

      Archbishop Dolan is very dangerous to the LGBT community. He comes off as a jovial, affable and humble person while spewing his bigotry. It’s very difficult to counter people like this who appear very harmless in demeanor and generally well liked by mainstream America. Shouting down someone like this and throwing insults his way can backfire on us.

      Feb 26, 2010 at 8:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Patty Mouth
      Patty Mouth

      It’s a darn shame the LGBT community can’t march in the St. Paddy’s Day parade. To “highlight the religious values of the Irish culture” they could do something truly wicked with the abusing priests and nuns. Could really be eye-opening.

      There are good things about Christianity, certainly, and many fine people are Christians. But it remains rooted in primitive tribal “theology” propounded to control people and justify the ways of its elders. The Catholic Church clings to a badly outdated view of reality.

      Eventually the Church will have to admit its error regarding homosexuality, as she has had to admit so many errors over the years.

      Feb 26, 2010 at 10:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      FAT BASTARD!

      Feb 26, 2010 at 11:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kieran
      Kieran

      You can’t defeat ignorant homophobia with ignorant anti-Catholicism. Giving way to blind hatred is always counter-productive. Many of the posts here are worthy of the Phelps family.

      Feb 27, 2010 at 12:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fradiavolo
      fradiavolo

      First, my anti-Catholicism is neither blind nor ignorant, it’s well-informed — I was raised Catholic and attended a Jesuit high school. Second, I don’t discriminate — I despise all religions equally. Third, the Roman Catholic hierarchy has pretty much blown the wheels off any moral credibility it may once have had, and I see no reason not to call them out on their moral hypocrisy.

      Feb 27, 2010 at 12:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • nikkon
      nikkon

      he looks and sounds like roly-poly Chris Farley!!!!

      Feb 27, 2010 at 1:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gollygeegaygoy
      gollygeegaygoy

      Amazing how these self serving balls of bilge, who like to dine on a bible buffet, are so self pitying. How backward his comments will seem when gay marriage is legal. I live in Spain, very catholic, and where gay marriage has been legal for a number of years. Life has gone on, people still go to church, it has not broken the fabric of the society. Quite the reverse, people here realize that gay people are a part of families, and deserve equal rights. As for this man’s lame defense of banning gays from the St Patricks day parade. He is directly asserting that gay Irish Americans are of no value. The day will come when he and Maggie Gallagher, will only find comfort from eating doughnuts and not from preaching and patronizing. Progress for gay rights is still a fight, but I believe, it is also inevitable.

      Feb 27, 2010 at 8:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
      Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"

      @No. 16 Hyhybt

      Clearly the Archdouchebag is not suggesting any type poly-marriage; the Church and NOM and their minions regularly point to the “slippery slope” that should same-sex marriage be permitted, the flood gates will open for polygamy, marriage to pets, incestuous marriages, etc.

      Per your comment, polygamy is where men OR women enter into multiple marriages, men taking multiple wives OR women taking multiple husbands.

      Polygyny is the term for polygamy when a man has multiple wives; Polyandry is the term for polygamy when a woman has multiple husbands.

      Just for fun, let me point out that, linguistically, there is no such thing as polyamorous; “poly” coming from the Greek for many, “amorous” coming from the Latin for love.

      Feb 27, 2010 at 10:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JM
      JM

      What I think is so amazing about religion is that they offer a bargin that is so unbeliveably preposterious that anybody in their right mind would immediately reject such nonsense as ridiculous and would probably even think the person suggesting it was probably insane….yet nobody even thinks of this when this crazy idea is put forth from religion….we’re all conditioned to not even consider that the sanity of the person speaking it is probably in a very real questionable state…

      here it is, imagine this: if somebody came up to you and offered you a bunch of rules to live by which the bulk of made no real sense and goes against what it even means to be human AND in return for obeying all these crazy rules you will get a great big prize! the very best prize! and you would get it AFTER YOU DIE. and it would be that you would have another life, AFTER YOU DIE at some place nobody has ever been to to prove it exists, you’ll just have to take the word for it from somebody else who has never been their either. nobody has ever proved it exists.

      haha, and then they also tell you that you can’t just brush this off, cause nobody has ever proved that it DOESN’T exist. which makes no sense. holding out hope based on the fact its not actually disproved to exist. yet nobody can prove it and never has been able to, inspite of millions and millions of people who believe it over the centuries. then they say, well, faith is what it’s all about.

      hahaha.

      isn’t that INSANE? what i don’t understand is why everybody who goes around talking about this in this manner and believing the religion isn’t immediatly taken away to an insane insylum. AND, we let our KIDS hear this, and let those crazies teach kids that nonsense. in any other arena except religion, any teacher teaching children such massive lies would immediately be fired, and probably brought up on charges of harm to a child.

      getting your prize, AFTER YOU DIE. why doesn’t everybody see the absolute insanity and massive deception or fraud that this really is? in a legal sense, to claim this and then collect money for the spred of this would, in any other place but religion, be legally prosicutable fraud and the places it was done would be closed and the people running it be jailed, and featured on many Dateline episodes of criminal activity.

      but, call it religion, and you can lie and decieve and take money for fraud and promise anything you want that can’t be proved, nor do the ones spreading the lies ever have to, personally, deliver on those promises. no wonder those big preachers at those tv churchs are so rich, and yet they’re not in jail or the insane asylum.

      what a crazy world.

      Feb 27, 2010 at 9:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Allen
      Allen

      I agree with Kieran in comment #20. With due respect, some of those commenting here are spewing hatred when what we are asking for is an end to hatred from the other side.

      Like all of you, I don’t agree with Archbishop Dolan regarding gay marriage. He’s wrong on the issue. And, I hope he comes around when the Church finally recognizes that being gay is no more a choice than being left-handed or having red hair.

      But, he did not lie in the interview. In opposing gay marriage, he did not make a change. His predecessor had the same position and would have expressed the same opposition to the Senate bill.

      I am a gay Catholic living in Manhattan. I’ve met the archbishop. He’s a good man trying to do his best.

      We need to pray for him.

      Feb 28, 2010 at 4:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
      Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"

      @No. 16 Hyhybt

      Clearly the Archdouchebag is not suggesting any type poly-marriage; the Church and NOM and their minions regularly point to the “slippery slope” that should same-sex marriage be permitted, the flood gates will open for polygamy, marriage to pets, incestuous marriages, etc.

      Per your comment, polygamy is where men OR women enter into multiple marriages, men taking multiple wives OR women taking multiple husbands. Polygyny is the term for polygamy when a man has multiple wives; Polyandry is the term for polygamy when a woman has multiple husbands.

      Just for fun, let me point out that, linguistically, there is no such thing as polyamorous; “poly” coming from the Greek for many, “amorous” coming from the Latin for love.

      Feb 28, 2010 at 10:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Josh AZ
      Josh AZ

      Ohmigod – what a fat bastard. Disgusting.

      Feb 28, 2010 at 11:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Herbert Wassinger
      Herbert Wassinger

      This guy is bad news!!!
      Signer of Dobson’s “Manhattan Declaration”, along with virtually every American Catholic Archbishop! What crap!!

      But yes, #25 Allen, continue to pray for him. Also, pray for Dobson, Rick Warren, Justice Scalia, and all the bigots of the country. Also, pray for Pope Rat., who appointed this dude. And for John-Paul II who stacked the deck with all these hateful people.

      And, of course, wait if you wish. After all, the Catholic did offer a tepid apology for jailing Galileo for espousing the heresy that the earth revolves around the sun, rather than vice-versa.
      But, of course, even that half apology did not come until the late 20th century.

      So, Allen, get a beer and a very comfortable chair and sit for three or four centuries and you may get a glimmer of semi-equality, packaged with a negative spin after all.

      Mar 1, 2010 at 4:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • October2010
      October2010

      Does he have a role in Tim Burton’s ‘Alice in Wonderland’? He’d be great for his goobbleygook-doublespeak-lunacy. But then surely he must be a good ole pal of the Cheney’s and their ilk.
      This where I must excuse myself,hehemhmm, I am have indigestion.

      Mar 2, 2010 at 1:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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