I can’t have in mind all cases that can exist about conscience objection. But, yes, I can say the conscientious objection is a right that is a part of every human right. It is a right. And if a person does not allow others to be a conscientious objector, he denies a right. Conscientious objection must enter into every juridical structure because it is a right, a human right. Otherwise we would end up in a situation where we select what is a right, saying ‘this right that has merit, this one does not.’ It is a human right, and if a government official is a human person, he has that right.”
— Pope Francis on the papal flight back to Rome, speaking to ABC’s Terry Moran, in reference to clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
Gabriel Dor
Don’t let the door hit your white ass in a white dress on the way out. I know your shite do stink Frankie. Bye Felicia.
Robert Barber
Back to same ol same ol
Gary Hecklinger
He wouldn’t say this!! This is BS
Robert Barber
Not Italy.Fired!
Alan David
This is the USA and not Rome
Marshall R. Krug
well, i used to like him, but now, FORGET IT.
Richard Lee Zweiben Klein
The pope is an idiot and needs to mind his own business. I think his attitude stinks. Once again the catholic faith is stuck in the Middle Ages. Hence the catholic faith is losing people left and right. I have no sympathy for an evil faith that allows children to be molested and hide it in the closet and tells children you better not tell anyone.
José Ramón Chavira
Well, just like the bigots who’d deny equal rights to us…he has no power here.
Paul Proulx
Douche bag
Mario Francisco Garcia
“You have no power here. Begone, before someone drops a house on you, too”
Jerry Kelley
God damn he ruined everything I thought about him
Darrin Jones
I will ask my priest if this statement is true.
Mark Pawelczak
Not in a country ruled by law, not church!
Brian JC Kneeland
What is the police claimed that for laws?
Glücklich
Very pedantic and…literal? Kind of like that old Bill Clinton chestnut, “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If the–if he–if ‘is’ means is and never has been, that is not–that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement….”
I was going to blow up about the Pope’s remarks obliterating some of the goodwill with which he left the US but the wording is tortured enough that I think he was trying very carefully to articulate an answer that wasn’t fire-and-brimstone but also doesn’t upend millennia of church doctrine. I can’t say I’m surprised or disappointed by his remarks.
Alexander R. Rodriguez
So much “tolerance” and “love”….
David Red
Wrong.
Robert Becker
Not in America… this is a nation of laws, not a theocracy. Kim Davis has a right to not issue licenses, but does not have a right to keep her job.
Avery Alvarez
And yet this prick still doesn’t believe in Human rights for gays.
There’s no fool like an old fool.
Anybody commenting on this board, no matter their age or education, is more enlightened than this derelict relic.
enfilmigult
Call me optimistic but I’m thinking he just didn’t understand exactly what he was being asked about. Conscientious objection is for a non-volunteer military. It hardly applies to someone who deliberately took a job as a county clerk and can leave that job at any time if they do not want to perform any of its duties.
Robert Becker
Odd that he said that out of the publics ear… as he was heading back to his church/state
Ronnie Denny
Robert Barber
Reverted back to type.Parting shot.Typical
Lawrence Gisonda
Well, he’s got this one wrong.
Bobby French
This directly conflicts with what he said the other day about how religion should not infringe on the rights of others!
Roberson Randy
He need to dip his foot into everything. We could really start some stuff over this and his seemingly short term memory about the church concerning slavery and under age men.
Xzamilio
Yep, I’m whoring out my own blog:
Pope Francis NEVER Accepted Gays
http://shallowvoices.blogspot.com/2015/04/my-voice-pope-francis-never-accepted.html
None of this shit should be surprising to any LGBT person.
Giancarlo85
I’m not surprised by anything he said. This is the catholic church. Conscientious objection has no part in a government official’s job. They are required to do their job by law and Kim Davis took an oath which she violated.
Alexander R. Rodriguez
Nothing like hysterical Catholic phobia comments to prove our points on the Gay Left. Thx for the evidence!! 🙂
Kirk Lanzone Terry
I don’t think this is a true statement–he’s way too slick for that. What is the source for this?
Peter McKinney
Did someone remind him that he does not run our government?
Mark Hustleby
Well, your cowardly popeness, you had to wait till you were airborne before letting that loose, huh.
Any nice thing you said while you were here has been negated now.
Maybe in Rome that would be ok, in the USA however, it’s against the law.
Kris McCleery
Then they would be breaking the law …
Giancarlo85
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: And more bullshit from the site’s biggest BS artist… what else is new? Maybe next time you can come up with something more than just a one liner sentence that proves absolutely nothing. What Catholic-phobia?
David Harlem
Please, a conscientious objector doesn’t serve his/her country and get paid for doing nothing. She can object but she should be impeached and fired for not doing her job. If Francis said this I don’t agree with him.
Xzamilio
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: Bull. I’m so sick of that nonsensical comeback. It’s not a logical counter… it’s a logical fallacy known as the paradox of intolerance. You’re basically saying we’re intolerant for not tolerating intolerance… it’s stupid.
Jim Platt
first we have it recorded ? And proven authentic ? or is this more bullshit that FB is becoming more famous for by the week ?
Laura Cook
Can we have this on record?
Jimmy Cast
How about preaching love and acceptance in the church?!?! , so many LGBT men women and children are being told they are going to hell for being who they are ..instead of coming out in support of low life’s like Kim Davis how about u show some love for the people who are being pushed away from God
Alan Burnside
Guilherme Barros
Who cares what he says?
Darryl Cummings
Please. I’m not surprised.
Scott McIntosh
Aww and he’s been such a good wee Pope so far, I suppose he had to get his corsets off and let the Jesuit side of himself out on the flight home. Let’s get this right – you have a right to object to anything on the grounds of conscience e.g. refuse to be conscripted for war if you are a pacifist, but you must justify your actions and accept punishment or direction into useful work if your objection is not sustained. If you concentiously object to any part of your job you have the right to resign and find more congenial work. What you don’t have the right to do is sit on your backside, drawing a full salary whilst defying your employers and then claim to be a martyr because some supposed ‘higher authority’ in the sky tells you so.
Rick Holtz
This POS man is a fraud, liar and King of thieves. Keep this phony jerk locked in the Vatican.
Don Thompson
Not according to the constitution and he is just another religious quack!
Ron Sokota
Foolish comment, with that as a rule individual preferences would rule instead of law.
Tommy Ogletree
Lmao!!! He waited until he was leaving to say that. Hahahahahahaha
C LaMonte Wilson
Jane Elliott
as long as they give up their jobs ‘which is too give out those licences by law’ they do not have to give them out
Avery Alvarez
@Alexander R. Rodriguez: When you’re such an ideologue that you see everything through shades of “left” and “right”, you’ve lost a handle on reality. Your opinions can no longer be trusted because they’ve devolved into talking points. You’re not worse than the social justice warriors on here who see everything through a race lens, or “trans/cis” lens.
Ideological rhetoric is useless to discourse and dialogue.
John Malin
Notice he didn’t say anything while on American soil, clean up the Vatican before you start weighing in on matters that don’t concern you!. He’s gone from Holy Father to Holy Muckraking Moron!
Donald Jecker
Not in OUR government. This is a Free Country and what it “denies” is Discrimination. (Or at least it tries to.)
Clark W Cowles
We need to split the Catholic Church into the original and an American division.
Frank House
….and gay gov’t workers have every right to deny straight marriage licenses….? That’s right….put your money in the plate this coming Sunday morning. Help this church promote it’s “inclusive” doctrine.
Michael Mendicino
They may have the right they also have the right to be fired for not following the law
Robert Barber
Pageantry,Smoke and mirrors..As usual,Hope its not true?But I fear he couldn’t help himself in the end?
Douglas Schlitz
If your religion is that important then resign from your GOVERNMENT JOB !
Baba Booey Fafa Fooey
Asshole.
M J Martinez Crogan
Phucking cult leader
ð???
Chris Brewer
bullshit.it even says in the bible obey man’s law as you would god’s.fire kim davis she broke the law.an the fact everyone supporting her including the pope should know this.no one is saying anything about her breaking god’s law about divorce.is always a different story when it’s one of thier own
Tommy Parlon
He is an asshole.
Ridpathos
Eh. He’s a pretty impressive faith leader, and fairly progressive of one. But he’s still a ‘faith’ leader, and ‘faith’ stands against everything I believe in (ironically).
Curty
Pope is not going to accept homosexual acts, unions, marriages…but child molesters? Now that’s perfectly natural in their eyes. Smh… I think the pope and the church have lost all validity until they confront, stop covering up and bring those to justice who prey and have violated children! Its a shame the media largely gives him a free pass for not trying with law enforcement to take out the child sex abuse. Shame…
Cesar Rivera
No , in the United States there’s a separation of church and state . If they cannot figured it out quit your government job!!!
Billy Budd
PERVERTS. Child molesters, all of them!
Miguel Spatti
I think he was hanging out with that woman
James R Holmes
not when it is their job to do so. That worker should quit.
Tom Hughsted
They can do anything they want, but suffer the consequences of being fired or jailed or shifted to another job.
Blackceo
I was in Philly this weekend for all the pomp and circumstance with the Pope. As a non practicing Catholic, I do have to admit I understand the excitement over this new Pope. I wouldn’t have budged my Blatino ass to see Pope Benedict, but there are things about Papa Francisco that I like and that make me understand his appeal. Of course I absolutely don’t like the fact that he is still not in favor of gay marriage, gay unions, gay adoptions, but there are things about economic inequality, the prison system, and climate change that I love. I love how he has remained humble and not gone with all the trappings of luxury available to him. I love how he installed showers for the homeless in Rome near Varican City and a free barbershop where they can get haircuts.
Contrary to what many try and peddle with the gay, gay, gay talk all the time, the Bible mostly talks about social justice issues and the poor; over 300 verses about it and I like the fact that it is a big issue for him because it was a big issue for God. I still have major issues with organized religion and still disagree with the Pope on other social issues like abortion, contraception, role of women in the church, but this Pope has made me pay more attention to the Catholic Church in a positivd way than I have in years.
Joshua Greenberg
Hes 2 faced
Michael Mikolasek
BOO
Patrick Laney
Dancing the grey line
aliengod
Because we disagree on this one issue with the Pope, we forget all the good he stands for? I think the message of Pope Francis on his visit was exactly what people needed to hear. I’m a gay man but that’s not all my life consists of. There are many more important and deserving issues than being gay.
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: Um all the good huh? He has a way of sugarcoating everything. He has largely failed to address the issue of child molestation, he has never addressed his past ties to the late Dictator Rafael Videla and he hasn’t really addressed the major issues in the Catholic Church.
“There are many more important and deserving issues than being gay.”
That’s a shitty way to live. I guess you spend your entire life trying to impress other people because you feel being gay is something that isn’t important and should be on the back burner. Unbelievable.
Rick Troth
Gee and it was going so well. Fortunately we are a country of laws based on the Constitution. God love him but he has yet to “evolve” on this issue.
Ralph Vendegna
IDIOT
Xzamilio
@aliengod: Nothing the Pope stands for requires a deity or some man in a white robe saying it. Be good to your fellow man? Be charitable to the less fortunate? NO fucking shit, Sherlock!!! How about the real issues that he doesn’t bother addressing? Contraception… discrimination and punishment of LGBT individuals in Russia and Africa… I’ll give him credit on beginning to clean house on child molesters, but I hardly see that as a shining example of his holiness.
“There are many more important and deserving issues than being gay.”
I agree… unfortunately, the right wing lunatics still see our being gay as an important and deserving issue because they won’t leave us the hell alone. The amount of willful ignorance it takes for a gay man with right leaning tendencies to function is astounding… but hell, you got Caitlyn Jenner and Kim Davis, so good for you.
Hank Walczak
Well confirms my thought of him. He is an asshole. Hope he goes to hell.
Bela Szentpeteri
who is that funny old lady?
Joseph Pasquino
This coming from a man in a dress living with only men
Jay A. Scaramazzo
Jay A. Scaramazzo
Why did he wait till he left America to state this?
Curty
@aliengod: Glbt equality is very important to myself, partner and other glbt friends. Speak for your self dick head.
Daniela Strobl
Oh, he/she has the right to deny the service…but the government has the right to kick his/her ass for doing so too. Especially kicking him/her out of office.
Avery Alvarez
What message has this old dick said that isn’t common sense? (Of course common sense isn’t always common, but I digress)
“Be good to the environment”
“respect each other”
“love, respect, unity” blah blah balh
Everyone says this shit, even people who are completely opposed to it, because it sounds good to naive idiots.
Talk is cheap. And talk from the Catholic church is even more worthless than old pennies, so dimmed, so tarnished, so unrecognizable that they can’t even be used anymore.
Old trampled gum on the street has more sincerity than anything the catholic church says, including this new dodo looking fool.
aliengod
@Giancarlo85: Oh Giancarlo85, you can always be counted on for a response. Especially a nonsensical response. Pope Francis has addressed the issue of child molestation. Even in this US visit, he scolded the Catholic bishops for not doing more and met with families and victims of clergy abuse to express his condolences. Regarding his “ties” to Rafael Videla, the claim is regarding an inaction on his part rather than a willful participant in the kidnapping of two priests. I’m not sure what the other issues are in the Catholic Church that you’re referring to. I’m not Catholic. I was raised Protestant but have not practiced any religion for many years. However, I’m not so narrow minded that I can’t praise a man for preaching a positive message.
As far as my statement: “There are many more important and deserving issues than being gay.”
I’m not sure how you can say that’s a “shitty way to live”. I simply mean that my sexuality is not the focal point of my life. My relationships with others, my children, my career, the condition of fellow man… all of these usually take precedence over my sexuality. I’d think that you’re the one with a miserable existence when your main focus is your sexuality.
@Xzamilio: I agree that the principles the Pope speak of do not require a deity. But I think that no matter the spokesperson, his message is noble and uplifting. Who am I to fault or ridicule him because he believes a certain way? We constantly say that diversity and acceptance is key. So let’s mean that. This man, even though we disagree on some subjects, has a message that inspired many people to do better. Why discount everything he said simply because he isn’t spot on with us?
@Curty: I’ll respond without the name calling. I’m glad GLBT is important to you. It is important to me also. It’s just not at the top of my list of world issues.
Berkshire DeMiller
cya
Roger Honeycutt
Go home and stay out of politics
youarekiddingme
@aliengod: Let’s forget the “gay” issues for a moment shall we. Let’s talk about Pope Benedict/Ratzinger shall we?
1. He resigned as pope to escape persecution/prosecution for helping to hide child molesters earlier on in his “career.”
2. He is living in the Vatican because he cannot be extradited/arrested for prosecution.
3. Ratzinger has never publicly apologized for any of his wrongdoing even though he can’t be sued in a civil or criminal court (he’s fuckin spineless).
Now, why hasn’t this current pope said or done anything with this deadbeat Ratzinger? If he wants to address the root of the problem maybe he can cut out one of the biggest cancers of them all! Clean up that shit hole of a church. Let some sun shine in. Get some bleach and really disinfect the place of some of the bacteria that has been infecting it for years.
Instead of addressing and cleaning up his own PIG PEN, this current pope wishes to point fingers at the US and some nobody who defied a US Supreme Court Ruling. Where is his law degree? Fuck him and Ratzinger both! They can hold hands and burn in hell together!
greg
Sorry ladies but he’s right. It IS a human right to be a conscientious objector. You may not like the message or the messenger but it is her right to object……it is also our right to throw her in jail if she breaks the law which she did…..it is also our right to change how we deal with the conscientious objector but it is within their right to object….Kim Davis is only exploiting our weakness and system failures….I don’t think the pope was necessarily agreeing with her but simply stating it was her right….and that’s coming from a raving atheist ( me)
aliengod
@youarekiddingme: Once again, an uninformed and simple minded response. Pope Francis and former Pope Ratzinger are two different and separate individuals. Pope Francis has no authority or ability to change the history of Pope Ratzinger. I think Pope Ratzinger resigned knowing full well the sins of his past. What is Pope Francis supposed to do to change history?
As far as your point regarding the “nobody” who defied US Supreme Court ruling (Kim Davis), I agree with you. I think the Pope is wrong about this (even though he never spoke her name). I believe that an elected official has the obligation to uphold the law. A conscientious objection has no standing against the Constitution. My point is that we shouldn’t discard the positive message of this man because of our objection to one matter. Overall, I believe the Pope came to America with a message that we should embrace.
Hell? Your vitriol is out of control. Perhaps you should seek counseling.
youarekiddingme
@greg: Your statement is correct. She has the right to object. We have the right to throw her ass in jail. Not exactly what the article was saying or referring to. It was referring to the fact that a government employee could refuse to issue marriage licenses to gay couples…He was saying she could be an conscientious objector. A conscientious objector is one who refuses to do one’s job (as in combat). That person is commonly reassigned (perhaps as a medic) where no weapon is required. The big KIM refused to take another job, refused to allow her deputies to do their jobs and refused to do hers. Not quite the same thing at all. Conscientious objectors also originated as draftees as well. She volunteered for the job. She could have easily quit as well.
No one ever stopped her from objecting. Period.
There was no weakness in the system. The system worked. Flawlessly. She had her appeals. She lost. She went to jail. Marriage licenses are being issued.
youarekiddingme
@aliengod:
I don’t believe in Hell! I’m an ATHIEST who used to be Catholic until I had to put up with one of these divine priests, so FUCK YOU and FUCK your COUNSELING!!!
This current pope needs to denounce Ratzinger. He has never done so. He can’t change the past but can certainly take a stance as a leader to help heal for the “sins” committed by the Predators of the church! Those are the things (the important things) that he needs to address, as well as the other things that he brought up during his visit. The amount of time he spent on the molestation issue was trivial in comparison to the number of victims involved. The issued was glazed over, in much the same way it has been in the past. The only true difference is that his hand has been forced by the attention brought by the media.
Before you refer to someone as “simple-minded”, perhaps you should know what/who you are talking to? I spoke of a public figure…not to you directly. I suggest that you NOT start a direct attack toward me by saying I’m “simple-minded” or I should “seek counseling” unless you know a bit more about me.
Dameon Gene Rogers
Have fun in Rome, nope
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: You have completely deflected and lied.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-truth-behind-pope-francis-breaking-the-silence-the-catholic-church-in-argentina-and-the-dirty-war/5327049
Even Videla said the Church knew more than what it was claiming about kidnappings and torture.
“Regarding his “ties” to Rafael Videla, the claim is regarding an inaction on his part rather than a willful participant in the kidnapping of two priests.”
He met with the dictator several times and had ties to him and his family.
This has a lot more to do with the kidnapping of two priests. You just can’t read and your mind is clouded in complete ignorance. You are a fool. Maybe read for a change.
“I simply mean that my sexuality is not the focal point of my life.”
I never claimed it was a focal point of my life either, but I am stating that equality is a primary issue for me (along with the economy, environment, etc).
” I’d think that you’re the one with a miserable existence when your main focus is your sexuality. ”
Another weak pathetic attack on my character because you simply don’t have an argument. You are nothing more than a dingbat.
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: You are pathetic and simple minded. You’re a fucking idiot who doesn’t know how to read. I’ve posted numerous articles on the Catholic Church’s ties to the Argentine military junta… it goes beyond simply beyond two kidnappings.
You are a lunatic.
Giancarlo85
Aliengod: “My sexuality isn’t important… who cares if people get fired for being gay… blah blah blah blah… religion and my right wing politics always take priority over happiness”
This i what you’re basically saying.
And I fail to see his positive message. The man just sugarcoats his words and covers up for crimes.
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: Throw that criminal Ratzinger out of the vatican. See how long he lasts before he’s extradited!
passingthru
This is nothing new. He’s a dumba$$. If you think he is not, then you’re a fool.
Xzamilio
@aliengod: Please don’t with the paradox of intolerance nonsense because I already addressed it. I don’t need to be tolerant by tolerating an intolerant message, and it is. Pope Francis has done nothing but promote a passive aggressive approach to LGBT rights, but even I will admit that he has done more for the less fortunate than popes before him. I don’t see any point in giving him a pat on the back for doing what we as human beings should be doing anyway, and how messed up does your morality have to be that you only do good when someone else has to tell you?
So no, he gets no props from me for his “message” because it’s an old message that we has social creatures should have absorbed long before now.
Arnold Stollar
Funny?
Daniel-Reader
The only question to ask a cleric anywhere on the planet who violate human rights is whether they think the people they have harmed should continue to uphold their human rights.
Brian M. Stam
he is,two faced… he stay there
Curt Taylor
he had me…now he has lost me.
Antonio Murillo Retana
Burn in hell old fart
GG
Wasn’t it a matter of just weeks ago that certain repubs were saying the pope should stay out of politics?
Hypocritical statements by those same repubs in 3 . . . 2 . . . .1 . . .
Francisco A. Diaz
Please stop putting words into people’s mouths that is so far removed from his actual words. Do yourselves a favor. Read the actual quote and don’t intermediately believe these click bait titles. He is correct in the sense that everyone has the right to object to whatever they want. If you are human you have that right. Heck, it’s inherently built into our first ammendent.
No where did he say you should act on your objection of conscience nor that they wouldn’t be consequences for it. These click bait titles are just there to get a rise out of people and by the view of all these comments. Mission accomplished.
Billysees
@greg:
” It IS a human right to be a conscientious objector…it is her [Davis’] right to object…it is also our right to throw her in jail if she breaks the law which she did…I don’t think the pope was necessarily agreeing with her but simply stating it was her right… ”
@Francisco A. Diaz:
” No where did he [the Pope] say you should act on your objection of conscience nor that there wouldn’t be consequences for it. ”
Pretty good assessments of this matter.
Billysees
@youarekiddingme:
” There was no weakness in the system. The system worked. Flawlessly. She had her appeals. She lost. She went to jail. Marriage licenses are being issued. ”
Good summary.
Michael Hunter
Curty
@aliengod: Glbt inequality is a world issue because people are being executed for being glbt. People are denied work because they are glbt. People don’t have rights in many countries because they are glbt. So while it may not be important to you it is very important to many people are being persecuted and deny basic human rights because they are glbt. The fact it is not important to you says a lot about yourself and not in a good way.
Mike Cooke
no gay marriages from the biggest paedophile ring in the world ..no more to say really
Carlos Rodriguez
Well that is fucked up, but I love the Pope anyway. Hope that he has a long life in this world and continue changing the Church.
Scott Trout
I hope he remembers that with his own government workers. If they have a right to refuse, they have a right to grant too. I can only imagine what would happen to a Vatican Civil Servant that grants a marriage license to a same sex couple.
Daggerman
…I cannot believe the gutless idiots in this world. For instance the pope is nothing but a symbol of subterfuge, he must stop being so scared of reality, and tell the silly people who follow him to learn and except all the differences in the World!
Jim Roots
Ass
Giancarlo85
Aliengod also said the pope addressed molestations. No he hasn’t. He hasn’t really done any real action and the scandal runs deeper than what is being reported. Many priests aren’t being removed.
Phillip Thibodeaux Jr
Perhaps the church should keep their nose out of government business!
Victor Barry
Yes, they have that right. It’s called quitting and finding a new job.
KlausRose
To be honest the majority of you are completely over reacting…maybe i read wrong but it juse seems like an open minded answer pretty much saying you have your own opinion and rules that effect your daily life and if one of rules and opinion are threatened you can go against whatever is effecting you in a “negative” or contradicted way…so if someone dislike gays or does not believe in gay marriage he says they have the right to refuse giving them the license because that’s there own belief but that’s doesnt mean that desicions doesnt have consquences in a place like United States where Gay marriage is completely legal…..he’s just trying to say you have a variety of choices and not one can be considered wrong in your eyes but can to others…its a bit delicate to talk about but I think what he was trying to say didnt come out clearly
Daggerman
..so I supposed then in the popes mind GAY people aren’t human beings. Well, this is a fact like it or not. Marriage is a human right NOT a heterosexual privilege!
Greg Marmai
Coward. Why didn’t you say that when you were here.
Bisexual-Transwoman
@Gary Hecklinger: Um, yeah he did say it but he has been against LGBT people from the start just like all the rest of the popes.
@Giancarlo85: He did say this: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/god-weeps-pope-condemns-child-sex-abuse/ar-AAeQk2F?li=AAa0dzB But as far as actual actions go he has not done much at all, and he did support it for decades before he became pope.
Raymond Perez
The pope should stick to science and leave government to the bureaucrats and lawyers. Oh, wait, that’s no good either.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: All pope has done is like anyone else. Lip service about stopping the corruption and child sex abuse. He hasn’t done shit. He has but it on the back burner like those before him. As I said the church has lost all validation until they tackle and clean up the church from abuse once and for all. Its not about priest being removed. Its about who us going to jail!
Avery Alvarez
Pity, his plane ride back didn’t crash into the ocean.
VivaViejo
What The Pope Really Said About Kim Davis
Fresh off his whirlwind tour of the United States, Pope Francis is still making news in America — this time for weighing in on whether government officials have a “human right” to refuse same-sex couples marriage licenses.
According to NBC, a reporter on the pope’s flight back to the Vatican Monday night asked him a question that appeared to reference Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk recently jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples by citing her faith.
“Do you … support those individuals, including government officials, who say they cannot in good conscience … abide by some laws or discharge their duties as government officials, for example when issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples?” a reporter asked.
Francis did not specifically mention Davis in his reply, noting, “I can’t have in mind all the cases that can exist about conscientious objection.” But he did offer a vigorous defense of conscientious objection as an important part of civil society.
more
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/09/28/3706264/pope-francis-kim-davis/
DCFarmboy
Gee, yesterday when this didn’t appear on Queerty, I thought maybe you had a moment of responsible journalism unlike others using false headlines to turn this non-story into click bait.
Now, read his actual words. The first thing he does is state that he is not responding to any particular case. Then he gives a standard liberal view on the CO. Yes, rights of conscience are a fundamental part of human rights. And yes, government workers are human and therefore they have human rights. Liberals have said these things for decades and there is a body of thought that is attached to these assertions. Kim Davis’s unserious claim to CO status does not stand within this human right.
BriBri
The church is for people that cannot think for themselves. Why anyone is surprised by this is simply naive. The Gay & Lesbian community needs to fulfill their spirituality in other ways. It’s that simple.
Garth
Ah to hell with him and his ” love you , hate you ” , attitude. Let him fly to fuck back to his house of men in Rome and the world will get along just fine without him.
Rick Collier
Yeah, well, maybe that’s how it works in the Vatican, but America isn’t a theocracy and public servants who take an oath to uphold the law, whatever law that is, don’t have the right to opt out! And in the Bible Jesus even gives them an out, “Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar’s”!
TampaBayTed
Pope Frankie doesn’t get it. A conscientious objector is someone who is willing to take the consequences of his/her beliefs. The so-called COs like the adulterous K. Davis want to be thrown to lions with rubber teeth. Frannie, are they any cajones beneath that white dress?
He BGB
He lives on the Vatican Planet. If he was in the real world he would feel different
He BGB
Also, does he know it’s a law now that marriage licenses be given to gays?
SteveDenver
I have a conscientious and moral objection to the additional tax burden imposed by tax-exemption for religious nonsense and pedophile rings like the Catholic Coven.
Tom Pollack
Anyone really surprised?
Giancarlo85
@Bisexual-Transwoman: As I said to Aliengod, those are just words for me. As long as I don’t see any real actions or serious reforms, just more words.
ryuichi
I wonder of his boyfriend would agree with that statement?
Priscilla Goodwin
guess he doesn’t like to confront people face to face
TomMc
If Bergoglio’s saying, and meaning, stuff like this, Ratzinger must be dying.
Dennis Zack
pope is a scam and ass. also a biget. bless him.
silveroracle
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
Religion rears its ugly face yet again!
Paul Higdon-Smith
separation of church and state !!!!!!!!!!!!! stay in the Vatacian
Johnnie Torres
Said on the plane home. Brave.
bicurious
The current pope has never been any less sexist than the previous popes. It seems that a lot of you gays have been willing to overlook that and are only upset now that his bigotry against the gays is leaking out. I went to catholic schools growing up and always knew better than to be fooled by this guy in the white robe. The catholic church is not the friend of women or gays.
girldownunder
Another pope, another dope…They’re either self-loathing closet-queens or child-molesters.
What a sick, sick, bunch.
The sooner people snap out of the fantasy world of religion, the better.
myloginname
Not being a Catholic, nor coming from a nation of religious laws I really pay no mind to what this gentleman’s opinion is. I like support but not having it is of no concern either to me. If the pope thinks wearing white after labor day is how the world spins on it’s axis that’s a lovely opinion he is welcome to IMO. If he takes Kim Davis under his wing, lovely for her. In the end, I’m a gay man married to another gay man. I don’t really let his opinion steer my car.
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: @aliengod: Can this be any more clear…THAT SNAKE IN THE GRASS POPE MET WITH THAT C@NT KIM DAVIS SECRETLY!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=0
Pope Officials verify the visit! Yea, his words were take out of context…my ass!
aliengod
@youarekiddingme: I’m not sure of your point or why you addressed this to me. I’ve never said anything about the Pope’s words being taken out of context. I clearly said I disagree with him regarding his thoughts on conscientious objection. It still doesn’t change my opinion of his overall message. Regarding Kim Davis, I think she needs to resign or the Governor of Kentucky needs to take the necessary steps to have her removed.
Daggerman
..fundamentally he’s wrong. Governments can and will issue marriage licences to perfectly normal and intelligent (who happen to be GAY) people…and why not; is he therefore implying Gay people are bad and inept and straight people are perfect? I think he is…vulgar twit.
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: Alienturd just doesn’t quite get it. Nobody took anything the Pope said out of context. THis pope is just as homophobic as the last one. He bitterly opposed Argentine President’s Cristina Fernandez move to legalize same sex marriage. This isn’t an unknown pattern. This Pope isn’t accepting of gay people. He just uses powdery language.
aliengod
@Giancarlo85: Have you gone completely off the deep end? Are you even bothering to read comments before posting your nonsensical rants? I never said anyone took what the Pope said out of context. I’m not at all surprised he opposed the move to legalize same sex marriage in Argentina… he’s a Catholic Pope. I’m not sure that he isn’t accepting of gay people (just gay marriage) nor do I think he’s homophobic (I’ve seen no evidence of him having a fear of homosexuals). Regardless, his opinions regarding marriage mean nothing to me. We’ve been granted marriage equality by the Supreme Court and that won’t change, no matter what the Pope’s opinion. So who cares?!
All I’ve said of this Pope is that I think his overall message was positive during his trip to the USA. I’m not Catholic and I don’t subscribe to his religious beliefs. I said above that I completely disagree with him on his stance with conscientious objection and Kim Davis. I’ve said I believe Kim Davis should resign or be removed from office. What is so offensive about that?
Why is it so hard for you to accept that some people, like me, are different than you and hold different opinions? You become so confrontational and hurl child-like insults when you don’t agree. Even if you were making valid points, they’re overshadowed by your immature delivery.
Blackceo
Ugh….that really pisses me off. I was one of the few who tried to draw a middle line in the previous Pope thread about disagreeing with him on the gay, abortion, contraception, and women’s role in the Church stance, but appreciating his focus on the poor and economic inequality and climate change. To meet with that undeserving bitch is just really a bit much. She is an elected official who needs to follow the laws of the Constitution. So that bitch can kick rocks with her bare feet. If that is her belief that she can’t carry out her duties then fine..resign. But him telling her to “be strong” is ridiculous. She broke the law and has to suffer the consequences anyone else would have to. So yeah….finding that out really left a sour taste in my mouth and I’ve seen many comments on twitter and other websites saying that in one fell swoop he just ruined all the good will many people felt about his visit to the US. He was obviously trying to keep that meeting on the down low.
Billysees
@Daggerman:
” …the pope…must stop being so scared of reality, and tell the…people who follow him to learn and except all the differences in the World! ”
If you don’t mind, I modified what you originally said to make it read better and make much better sense. Overall a good comment.
Billysees
The following statement from the Catholic church or catechism should have been presented publicly by the Pope when he was here in the spotlight, as it should be presented everywhere, as a ‘great reminder’ of how the whole world should treat LGBTs —
They “must” be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.
…….Catechism of the Catholic Church (quotes mine)
That single statement should be ‘plastered’ across every billboard around the world.
Now the Bible also has got some important attitudes that should be presented publicly also —
1. Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another….Romans 14:13
2. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God….Romans 15:7
3. …all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble….1 Peter 3:8
4. Be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone…Titus 3:2
All of the above words, if sincerely practiced, would make life better for all.
1EqualityUSA
Shake the dollar tree.