We love our gay brothers and sisters, but the black church will never support gay marriage. It is and always will be against the ethics and teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
—Rev. Anthony Evans, leader of the 34,000-member National Black Church Initiative, speaking against President Obama’s marriage equality statement. When the Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage in Washington, DC, Evans said it had “set up the greatest civil war between the church and the gay community.”
AshNYC
I for one don’t give a SH$T if the so called “black church” supports marriage equality or not. And I say this being a black man.
daydreams4rock
seems your a petifile n shoudnt be voicing against gays when its your pastime
QJ201
Jesus said nothing about same sex relationships. He did say a lot however, about greed, avarice and the corruption among religious leaders of the time.
Bet this one drives a caddy and wears diamond rings.
EmmaMTF
Jesus didn’t teach homophobia. More proof that these people need to read their damn bibles.
Michael DeSelms
When will Blck Pastors realize that the Bible was used against them in the past. OK to own slaves. No inter-racial marriage. They fought against this. Now they use the Bible against Homosexuals. And God fearing Homos at that. Jesus the Christ never said a word against us. Now what do they say about the other 650 commandments God gave? Do not
sleep with your wife or touch a woman that is menstrating. Do not cut your locks {men}.
There are lots more. What will they do…..what will they do?
MikeE
Actually, Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, HOWEVER he DID very clearly and without any ambiguity at all, condemn DIVORCE.
This guy is a fly-by-night pastor, like most of these protestant ministers are. They get their “diplomas” in cereal boxes, barely know how to read English, yet pretend that they have the knowledge and the understanding to interpret the ancient Greek and Hebrew.
Mark
NOT true sir. There is a wonderful black UCC congregation in Minneapolis / St Paul who do. As with the vast majority of xtian wingnuts, they wouldn’t know the truth if it bitch slapped them a few times.
Thomathy
Another bigoted Christian. Colour me surprised. It would be very nice if it were possible not to take bigots like these seriously, but it seems too many gay Americans are Christian for that particular hope to see reality. Quoting Biblical inanities back and forth with Christian bigots won’t get you anywhere, they’re the ones who will decide how to lie for Jesus. There’s no hypocrisy you could possibly catch them in that will somehow change their minds. Best just to ditch the poisonous religion altogether and get on the right side.
Lee
I guess this guy never spoke with Rev. Oliver White or Rev. Jesse Jackson or Rev. Al Sharpton (or…) who all support marriage equality. I love when people take it upon themselves to speak for a whole demographic.
LadyL
“We love our gay brothers and sisters, but…” This is a kinder, gentler bigotry, steeped not in true Christian beliefs but cultural prejudice and personal ignorance. The only upside is that his remarks reflect the obviously growing realization that anti-gay rants in the name of Jesus only gets you roundly criticized. He’s trying to figure out how to have it both ways or split the difference. But never mind. Never mind the (often closeted) pastors and ministers, whatever their race or color. Black churches will come around–as Mark points out some have already–because as black communities start acknowledging their LGBT family members and friends they will have to, or become irrelevant to all but the most transparently bigoted.
Meowzer
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Every black person and every woman should be supporting gay marriage and gay rights. It wasn’t that long ago they were fighting for their equal rights and plenty of men and whites marched along side of them to help push their cause.
EL
@Meowzer: And Latinos, Asians, whites and men should support equality too. We ALL should support the right thing to do! I always take issue with people making a point to explain why certain people should be more supportive because it kind of implies that there’s a demographic that has a pass to discriminate–not true at all.
Michael
Guys, Christ actually did mention homosexuals a couple of times.
Jesus met a gay man, via the Roman Centurion trying to heal his younger male slave, and said of him, “Never have I seen faith greater than this” and He did not chirp in with the “now go and sin no more.” The term “pais”, used to describe the younger male slave, is a Greek word used to convey the younger male lover in a gay relationship. Christ, after He met the Centurion, wanted to go hang out at his house and have dinner but the soldier said he was not worthy and that quote is what Jesus replied with. I have a feeling gay men were frowned upon and the Centurion felt a bit awkward having the Messiah over for dinner.
Christ also mentions homosexuals in Matthew as “born eunuchs”, born from their mothers that way, one of three types of men who weren’t made for marrying women. Born Eunuchs were used by kings to guard their harems because these men were not sexually attracted to women.
There’s also the Secret Gospels of Mark which indicates Jesus has a night with a younger male youth. There’s also a clear indication in the Gospel of John if Christ was involved with anyone it would have been John.
Spike
Who is asking for any church to recognize marriage equality. Last I checked, a church marriage without a marriage license is not recognized as legal. Who would want to get married in a black church anyway, everyone is so loud and sweaty. Yuk.
Michael
btw, as for the other parts of the Bible, here’s a quick run-down:
Leviticus: Part of the Holiness Code and not the Moral Code. The term translated to “as with” means ‘bed’ every other time it’s used in Leviticus and when Paul was writing the so-called clobber passage in Corinthians, he was referring to this passage and specifically stated “male bed”.
Corinthians: Was condemning masturbation instead less than 100 years ago.
Romans: Notice they always start off with “For this reason”, giving an incomplete paragraph, the effect without the cause. If you read the entire paragraph you’ll see it’s a condemnation of idolatry and has nothing to do with orientation.
Genesis: If the men of Sodom were gay then why did Lot offer his daughters and not his sons??? The true sin was inhospitality.
James
Question–why does this article get more attention than the fact NAACP came out in support of same-sex marriage? It broke two days ago, and there still isn’t a single comment on that article.
Thomathy
Michael, Biblical reinterpretations, justifications and rationalisations are not helpful. If they were, I’d expect such things to have phased at least some of the Christian opposition to equal rights in America. The pretzel-ing is entirely unnecessary.
You don’t need to convince gays that the Bible is a-okay with homosexuality, or anything for that matter. It is literally unimportant. The Bible is a hackneyed, poorly contrived attempt at story-telling that contains some of the most vile prescriptions for the torture and murder of people that could possibly be conceived of. It was outmoded when it was first conceived and it’s downright dangerous to any free, secular society.
And honestly, you’re using the example of Lot offering his daughters up to be raped by a gang of horny men as an example of how the Bible isn’t so bad, because at least that commonly quoted passage might not really be an indictment against homosexuality? Really?
Fuck, but you’re stupid if you think that should convince anyone that the Bible isn’t just a hate filled, violent, anti-gay, misogynistic tomb of antiquity not-so-subtly doctored to be a post-hoc rationalisation for a bunch of upstart, illiterate, desert dwelling Jews. Seriously, keep it to yourself, you’re part of the problem.
1equalityUSA
Spike said, “Who would want to get married in a black church anyway, everyone is so loud and sweaty. Yuk.”
My grand mother would bop you for being so disrespectful. Please refrain from insulting this church, it does nothing for our argument.
1equalityUSA
James, the NAACP article that you mentioned had the comments portion disabled.
Adam
@James: Exactly. Thank you.
Fitz
Bad Anthony! Bad! No watermelon and crack for you!
1equalityUSA
Fitz, You are angry. I expect more from your mind than this.
Spike
@1equalityUSA: How is my comment disrespectful? Black churches are known for their congregations getting loud, worked up and sweaty. It’s a fact. BTW, any church that uses a bible to validate discrimination and intolerance is a church that I would not want to be associated with. Your grandmother should be ashamed of herself if she attends such a church.
1equalityUSA
Dear Rev. Anthony Evans. This is an old piece of writing, but in it are beneficial viewpoints that may help you understand us a little more. I hope you are not above reading another’s opinion. Thanks.
Peter J. Gomes Professor of Christian Morals, Harvard University;Minister, American Baptist Church
Opposition to gays’ civil rights has become one of the most visible symbols of American civic conflict this year (1992), and religion has become the weapon of choice. The army of the discontented, eager for clear villains and simple solutions and ready for a crusade in which political self-interest and social anxiety can be cloaked in morality, has found hatred of homosexuality to be the last respectable prejudice of the century. Ballot initiatives in Oregon and Maine would deny homosexuals the protection of civil rights laws. The Pentagon has steadfastly refused to allow gays into the armed forces. Vice President Dan Quayle is crusading for “traditional family values.” And Pat Buchanan, who is scheduled to speak at the Republican National Convention this evening, regards homosexuality as a litmus test of moral purity.Nothing has illuminated this crusade more effectively than a work of fiction, “The Drowning of Stephen Jones,” by Bette Greene. Preparing for her novel, Ms. Greene interviewed more than 400 young men incarcerated for gay-bashing, and scrutinized their case studies. In an interview published in The Boston Globe this spring, she said she found that the gay-bashers generally saw nothing wrong in what they did, and, more often than not, said their religious leaders and traditions sanctioned their behavior. One convicted teen-age gay-basher told her that the pastor of his church had said, “Homosexuals represent the devil. Satan,” and that the Rev. Jerry Falwell had echoed that charge. Christians opposed to political and social equality for homosexuals nearly always appeal to the moral injunctions of the Bible, claiming that Scripture, is very clear on the matter and citing verses that support their opinion. They accuse others of perverting end distorting texts contrary to their “clear” meaning. They do not, however, necessarily see quite as clear a meaning to biblical passages on economic conduct, the burdens of wealth and the sin of greed. Nine biblical citations are customarily invoked as relating to homosexuality. Four (Deuteronomy 23:17, 1 Kings 14:24, I Kings 22:46 and II Kings 23:7) simply forbid prostitution by men and women. Two others (Leviticus 18:19-23 and Leviticus 20:10-16) are part of what biblical scholars call the Holiness Code. The code explicitly bans homosexual acts. But it also prohibits eating raw meat, planting two different kinds of seed in the same field and wearing garments with two different kinds of yarn. Tattoos, adultery and sexual intercourse during a woman’s menstrual period are similarly outlawed. There is no mention of homosexuality in the four Gospels of the New Testament. The moral teachings of Jesus are not concerned with the subject. Three references from St. Paul are frequently cited (Romans 1:26-2:1, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and I Timothy 1:10). But St. Paul was concerned with homosexuality only because in Greco-Roman culture it represented a secular sensuality that was contrary to his Jewish- Christian spiritual idealism. He was against lust and sensuality in anyone, including heterosexuals. To say that homosexuality is bad because homosexuals are tempted to do morally doubtful things is to say that heterosexuality is bad because heterosexuals are likewise tempted. For St. Paul, anyone who puts his or her interest ahead of God’s is condemned, a verdict that falls equally upon everyone.
And lest we forget Sodom and Gomorrah, recall that the story is not about sexual perversion and homosexual practice. It is about inhospitality, according to Luke 10:10-13, and failure to care for the poor, according to Ezekiel 16:19·50: “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.” To suggest that Sodom and Gomorrah is about homosexual sex is an analysts of about as much worth as suggesting that the story of Jonah and the whale is a treatise on fishing. Part of the problem is a question of interpretation. Fundamentalists and literalists, the storm troopers of the religious right, are terrified that Scripture, wrongly interpreted, may separate them from their values. That fear stems from their own recognition that their “values” are not derived from Scripture, as they publicly claim. Indeed, it is through the lens of their own prejudices and personal values that they “read” Scripture and cloak their own views in its authority. We all interpret Scripture: Make no mistake. And no one truly is a literalist, despite the pious temptation. The questions are, By what principle of interpretation do we proceed, and by what means do we reconcile “what it meant then” to what it means now?” These matters are far too important to be left to scholars and seminarians alone. Our ability to judge ourselves and others rests on our ability to interpret scripture intelligently. The right use of the Bible, an exercise as old as the church itself, means that we confront our prejudices rather than merely confirm them. For Christians, the principle by which Scripture is read is nothing less than an appreciation of the work and will of God as revealed in that of Jesus. To recover a liberating and inclusive Christ is to be freed from the semantic bondage that makes us curators of a dead culture rather than creatures of a new creation. Religious fundamentalism is dangerous because it cannot accept ambiguity and diversity and is therefore inherently intolerant. Such intolerance, in the name of virtue, is ruthless and uses political power to destroy what it cannot convert. It is dangerous, especially in America, because it is anti-democratic and is suspicious of “the other,” in whatever form that “other” might appear. To maintain itself, fundamentalism must always define “the other” as deviant. But the chief reason that fundamentalism is dangerous is that, at the hands of the Rev. Pat Robertson. the Rev. Jerry Falwell and hundreds of lesser-known but equally worrisome clerics, preachers and pundits, it uses Scripture and the Christian practice to encourage ordinarily good people to act upon their fears rather than their virtues.
Fortunately, those who speak for the religious right do not speak for all American Christians, and the Bible is not theirs alone to interpret. The same Bible that the advocates of slavery used to protect their wicked self-interests is the Bible that inspired slaves to revolt and their liberators to action. The same Bible that the predecessors of Mr. Falwell and Mr. Robertson used to keep white churches white is the source of the inspiration of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and the social reformation of the 1960’s. The same Bible that anti-feminists use to keep women silent in the churches is the Bible that preaches liberation to captives and says that in Christ there is neither male nor female, slave nor free. And the same Bible that on the basis of an archaic social code of ancient Israel and a tortured reading of Paul is used to condemn all homosexuals and homosexual behavior includes metaphors of redemption, renewal, inclusion and love – principles that invite homosexuals to accept their freedom and responsibility in Christ and demands that their fellow Christians accept them as well. The political piety of the fundamentalist religious right must not be exercised at the expense of our precious freedoms. And in this summer of our discontent, one of the most precious freedoms for which we must all fight is freedom from this last prejudice.
Peter J. Gomes Professor of Christian Morals, Harvard University;Minister, American Baptist Church
1equalityUSA
Spike, my grandmother is dead. When my mother was a child, growing up in Georgia, the children were allowed to go visit the services put on by the black church, even though they were white. The understanding was that if my grandmother ever heard about, from the congregation, even so much as a snicker from my mother, then a child, “an example would be made of her.” To even talk of “sweat” is a physical, worldly minded construct that harbors contempt for spiritually focused people. The body is the lesser of the two, so to focus on “sweat” says more of your limited view than it does of this church. It is disrespectful and you should apologize for this comment or just not comment any further.
Schlukitz
“We love our gay brothers and sisters, but the black church will never support gay marriage. It is and always will be against the ethics and teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Why should this even matter to us? The LGBT community is not demanding to be married in a church. Obviously, the church has never been about equality and never will be.
We are demanding the right of a civil marriage with the full protections and benefits offered to opposite-sex couples.
That, and that alone, is civil equality and the church is powerless to either grant it or deny it.
Oh, ok
It never ceases to amaze me how ra cist some gay men can be while on the same token demanding equal rights.
There’s no massive “BLACK CHURCH” that houses all black people. All black people are not alike, all black people are not homophobic, AND HELLO there are black gay people you keep forgetting again and again and again.
Oh and FYI some of us don’t even go to church at all.
The same way white people have 1 billion different types of churches to go to that teach different things black people have the same number of churches that all teach and practice different things.
Wake up, stop being ra cist, and stop thinking you have some wealth of knowledge no one else has access to.
Black people are growing and evolving at the same rate you are if not faster because we have gone through discrimination for so long.
My parents just a decade ago were homophobic. Now they firmly stand in favor of gay rights.
If they read any of this nonsense half of you posted they might reconsider due to the amount of racism that is overwhelmingly blatant.
And the funny thing is most of you won’t even know which comments I’m referring to and will immediately only pick up on the most obvious ones.
You cannot ignore black gays, you cannot imply that all black people are alike, and you cannot pretend to know what goes on in black churches without OFFENDING and entire group of people.
Wake up, grow up, and practice what YOU preach.
Fitz
I am angry, and totally done trying to be nice about it.
Any black person who stands for gay rights is an ally to me.
Any black person that doesn’t is a crack smokin spearchucker. I’m over it.
Cam
Funny, the NAACP just came out for Marriage Equality. I guess none of them are black or go to church according to this guy.
Oh, ok
@Fitz: And that immediately falling back on racism is why many black people gay or straight throw their hands up in and refuse to trust white gays.
We’ve been through this already. The women’s movement and more. White people get what they want, then fall back to excluding us, and resuming segregation.
Why should we help you?
I’m gay, you’re gay, yet you think it’s ok to be ra cist therefore I don’t want to help you, and in turn have to give up what I also want.
Why do you force my hand? I would sooner vote against my own rights than assist a bigot who claims to be on the same side.
Fitz
Fine, vote against then. I’m done being a doormat and not stating what i see in front of me.
Oh, ok
@Fitz: You’re done being who’s doormat?
If anything you want us black people to be your doormat. Bow before you, fight for your rights, then go back to being invisible when you get what you want.
Do you not see the hypocrisy and irony of your statements?
You clearly think we’re all alike and only worthy of being seen or heard by you when you want something.
There are more people like you than those who perceive everyone as equal. And this is the problem with the “gay community” in a nutshell.
1equalityUSA
Oh,ok wrote, “My parents just a decade ago were homophobic. Now they firmly stand in favor of gay rights.”
Did you have something to do with the transformation your parents went through?
Nugoyxi
Way to incite racism!
By the way, it’s so ironic, a black person saying gay people shouldn’t get married. They weren’t allowed to get married way back when, and interracial marriage wasn’t legalized until recent times.
Nugoyxi
To clarify, I have no issue with black people, just homophobes of any ethnicity/race
Oh, ok
@1equalityUSA: Nope I wasn’t even out when they changed their opinions. I came out because they did.
@Nugoyxi: The problem is saying things like you did above: @Nugoyxi: make it seem like you do have an issue with black people which makes it harder to trust you and ruins race relations not only black and gay but gay black versus other gays.
This nonstop focus of non-black gays on black people as the major and most powerful homophobes in the nation is alarmingly ra cist and pretty damned hard to ignore(nor should it be ignored).
Homophobia is homophobia and it should be regarded as such but it isn’t. There’s a huge amount of focus on black homophobes, zero attention on black gays(as usual), and no other race based attention on other homophobes.
This is being picked up on by other people by the way not just black people. When homophobes get wind of this and start pointing it out we’re all screwed.
1equalityUSA
Oh,ok, Your parents sound like nice people. Fair-minded and progressive. You are lucky to have them.
Lee
@Oh, ok: Good points. The hypocrisy of the gay community, never really thought about it like that before but very true.
Spike
@1equalityUSA: I see loud and I see sweat . .
http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/10/20/whooping/index.html
As for your attempts to censor those here that you do not agree with, serious fail.
Oh, ok
@Lee: It’s really getting ridiculous. The funny thing is most black women know at least one black gay man who they are cool with and like at least on a social level.
And most black churches do have at least one out and proud gay man who everyone is cool with and likes at least on a social level.
Black gay people have asked so many times for the rest of the “gay community” to let us handle our own because we know how to talk to our own and get them on our side beyond the bible.
They refuse and then turn around and spout racism and highly offensive phrases that would make anyone in their right mind tune out.
I mean the “gay community” has already made the face of homosexuality white, so it’s hard for other groups to see their son, daughter, nephew, niece, grandson, or granddaughter as being gay because being gay is a white thing. Only white people are gay.
That falls squarely on the mainstream “gay community” refusing to pay any attention to anyone who isn’t white. How can you connect with non-whites(of which we make up the majority of the global population) if you only advertise to and interact act with white people?
Almost all advertising funded by gays features white gay men. That’s a problem. We want equal rights but only for white gay men. That’s what those ads are saying. It says all gays are white.
Why would my grandmother change her mind about gay people if the only people she sees when she hears the word “gay” are the same people who refused to let her sit at a lunch counter?
If anything it just gives her reason to smile and feel justice has been served. “Now you’re turning on each other.” is what she would think.
If she saw my face or someone like me her opinion would change in an instant and she would vote in favor of my rights.
But I having seen the racism in the gay community wouldn’t want my face on any billboards until things change within. Why should I help the group that actively ignores people who look like me?
There are so many problem within the gay community that need to be addressed so we actually can fight for our rights as a unified group and the moment we are unified our families will be unified as well because they will see being gay isn’t a white thing.
Nugoyxi
Yeah, I have no issue with black people, that’s why I wanted to clarify that. I’m just saying by a pastor saying “Black churches won’t support it” he’s brining race into it, when it’s not a race issue and shouldn’t be.
1equalityUSA
Oh,ok, Beautifully stated. Thanks.
You said, “But I having seen the racism in the gay community wouldn’t want my face on any billboards until things change within. Why should I help the group that actively ignores people who look like me?” I can’t imagine how much pain this is.
Anger is not a friend to you. Even if your face is the first face on a billboard, it’s a start. Keep thinking.
villa viper
Here we go again with the BO’S (Black Oppressors)! Round 126,798,907..This is getting tired..The formerly oppressed now doing their fair share of oppressing.
Cam
@Oh, ok: said…
“It never ceases to amaze me how ra cist some gay men can be while on the same token demanding equal rights.
There’s no massive “BLACK CHURCH” that houses all black people. All black people are not alike, all black people are not homophobic, AND HELLO there are black gay people you keep forgetting again and again and again.
Oh and FYI some of us don’t even go to church at all.”
__________________________________
The man this article was written about grouped all the black churches together into one monolithic organization. Your beef on that topic would seem to be with him.
As for the folks on here getting pissy with black people, please remember, this reverend tried to have anti-gay rallies in DC to fight against their marriage law, and in a city of 600,000 with a majority black population he got less than 80 people to show up. If blacks were as homophobic as some on here claim, then DC with it’s majority black population would not have passed marriage AND this guy would have gotten WAY more than 80 people to show up at his rallies.
hassia
@Michael DeSelms: When will the CHURCH is what you want to say. It is easy in this environment to single out black churches, fact the black population is only 40 million of that about 10 million are eligible to vote. That is spread mostly in urban areas.Which are usually democratic anyway. So the black church does not have as much power as the press would like us to believe. Kind of like Rush being the voice of all white people.
Eric Griffis
Why is this on the front page and not the NAACP’s endorsement of same-sex marriage?
Oh, ok
@Cam: Really? All black churches are now one monolithic organization? Documentation?
My family church which is the only church I’ve ever attended is not under him.
I’m going to need to see proof that all black churches are now the same organization and all preaching homophobia under this man.
Please cite some valid sources.
Oh, ok
I’d also like to add the subject of homosexuality has never come up in my family church in my presence and the pastor only taught to love thy neighbor even if you don’t agree with everything they do.
I’m getting really tired of the rhetoric that black churches are all teaching hatred which couldn’t be further from the truth.
There are well known popular gay men in many black churches to their entire community and no one would dare say anything to hurt them because they like and respect them.
This ridiculous idea that black people don’t know any out gay men and everyone is on the downlow or homophobic is racism at it’s core.
At best the only criticism I could point out in southern black churches is the fact that they are ok with it as long as they don’t see it. And?! It’s also not ok for straight couples to suck face in church either. So they don’t see it and everyone is happy.
Is it completely fair? Nope. Is it livable and survivable? Yep. The same way I don’t rage about subtle racism in real life that I cannot prove I don’t rage about subtle homophobia that isn’t actually stopping me from living my life the way I want to.
And that is literally the only thing I have seen and witnessed myself. Granted I am a well off upper-middle class black male with a family business and a rather prestigious family who knows how to act in public.
I don’t presume to speak for those who are in other situations, but somehow I doubt they even have a computer much less the internet so it’s a little silly to bring them up considering low income black people aren’t really causing trouble for well to do white people who are the ones screaming loudest about “black homophobia”.
Well
“When the Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage in Washington, DC, …”
Huh, when did this happen?
hassia
@Spike: …..,and you are the bastion of enlightenment.
hassia
@James: you see it does not fit the agenda, eg, black man homophobic 40+ comments. Black leaders supporting gay marriage aw shucks, damn can’t complain.
Spike
@hassia: Compliment accepted.
Cam
@Oh, ok: said…
“Really? All black churches are now one monolithic organization? Documentation?
My family church which is the only church I’ve ever attended is not under him.”
________________
Please reread my post. I commented that you were jumping on the commentors here and saying that they were lumping black churches together. I merely pointed out that that the person the article was quoting was putting that forth and they were responding to him. Therefore I said your beef was with him and his comments.
Don’t be so eagar to jump on somebody that you don’t take a second to actually read what they’ve written.
hassia
@Fitz: you need a hug.
Oh, ok
@Cam: My beef isn’t with him because it shouldn’t need to be explained to anyone that all churches are not tied together and all black people do not believe the same things.
I took that up with the same people who believe all black people are homophobic.
Are you homophobic? You’re black. You must be homophobic according to the people who keep saying it.
I jumped on you because you ignored my entire argument and twisted it into something that it wasn’t.
One person can say whatever they want about any group, I will confront the dummies who believe it directly because THEY are the problem.
Crazy people can’t spread their craziness without fools who readily want believe them.
No one who believes this nonsense deserves a defense, they are the problem. As far as I’m concerned this Anthony Evans can be and should be easily ignored. If he isn’t ignored then the people listening and spreading his garbage are and always will be the problem.
jason
Blacks are socially conservative on gay rights. Black men also have a tendency to behave like alley cats sexually.
Oh, ok
@Cam: It’s also hilarious that this post came after I asked you to cite your sources.
Is being an apologist your favorite pastime or is trolling? I really can’t tell with you. Backpeddling, making up nonsense, and purposely twisting the words of anyone who says black people aren’t all homophobic seems to be all you ever do on every single gay blog on the internet.
Didn’t you also post long-winded “stories” to prove all black people are homophobic? You should go back to that, pity vote seems to be your strong suit, you’re not very good at arguing without hurling insults off the bat.
Somehow I doubt you even are black let alone have a social life to pull life experiences from to post about. You’re far too concerned with bashing black people, praising white people, and ignoring racism at every turn.
Oh, ok
@jason: Oh, Jason. Do better. Your subpar trolling has actually managed to get worse…Oh my God I just realized YOU’RE CAM!
HILARIOUS!!
Ok, I’ll admit you had me fooled for a long time. You’ve been slipping lately. It all makes sense now.
Though I’m sure you’re half the people commenting here anyway, Villa, and more. So pathetic.
Fitz
I need a weapon. My days are short… I got no time for door mats. You speak your truth, and I’ll speak mine: I am calling out any ethnic minority who thinks that discrimination is wrong for his family but ok for mine. FUCK YOU, I am your enemy.
Who are you B!tch, New lunch?
@Fitz: and yet you choose to fight discrimination with discrimination? You are no different than the Rev. and both of you are the enemy.
JDE97
@Fitz:
Fitz, you can stand on your roof and declare yourself the enemy of whoever and no one will care. I always laugh when people like you think that they are so significant that others will bat an eye if you decide to get angry or withdraw your support of them. No one, black or otherwise, anti-gay or otherwise, gives a shit about you and what you think of them. No one is trying to be “allies” with the likes of you. LOL! You’re no one special and you wield no power against anyone. Stop thinking you’re more important than you actually are. All you are is some lonely, aimless troll is lucky enough to have Internet access to distract from the monotony of a slow and painful life.
Fitz
I stand by my words, and I will fight to the end for my family from both homophobes and doormat-gays.
Oh, ok
@JDE97: Daaaaaaaaaamn! You shut him down so hard. Enough said, amen.
villa viper
@jason: Jason you are so on point! LOL…These BO’s cant get enough of white dudes but when they are around their wives and go to church they are the biggest homophobes around.
By the way Oh,ok I realized you are really Tackle, since both of your writing style’s are EXACTLY the same..What are your other log in names?? Funky Toe Sandwich and Lady Marmalade ??
Why can’t you just admit your community has prejudice and STOP trying to fight against what is so painfully obvious?
And do you have a job? You are on here ALL the damn time up in everyone’s business 🙁
Oh, ok
@villa viper: Nice try Jason…stop talking to yourself all the time.
Your many personalities are all equally frightening.
villa viper
Oh, ok I just got home from work and unfortunately I don’t have several fake sign in names unlike oh, ok a.k.a Funky Toe Sandwich, Tackle, Funk Smellin Nuts etc..
By the way not trying to be stereotypical but do you have a job? I would hate to think the government is paying you to sit around the internet all day looking for white men and then talking about how BO’s don’t really exist 🙁
Oh, ok
@villa viper: You are mighty defensive, Jason. Calm down.
Who are you B!tch, New lunch?
Didn’t know queerty allowed such bigotry, yet gays have the nerve to scream “HOMOPHOBIA” at the drop of the hat… YUK @ this site and the people who are in charged of it. I understand why homophobia is so rampant.
villa viper
@Who are you B!tch, New lunch?: I know……………GOD FORBID we are HUMAN 🙁
Who are you B!tch, New lunch?
69. No you are a bigot but I see you are in great company.. BTW I didn’t see your rants on the article about the other homophobic preacher. You and the rest of your ilk deserves all the injustices that comes your way, bad thing, ALL gay people will suffer in the process.
villa viper
@I love it when righteous people get on here and act as though they are NEVER prejudice or have judgmental thoughts about others etc. And then low and behold they see GLBT people are EXACTLY THE SAME WAY (Human Nature if Funny that way)!
And THIS is licence to wish further oppression etc… on GLBT etc…
All of you Christian haters are so out of touch with your OWN HATRED that it isn’t even funny. It is just one vicious circle of the pot calling the kettle…Blah Blah Blah..
shannon
ONCE AGAIN……JUST HATRED AT ANY NON WHITE PERSON WHO DOES AGREE WITH HOMO-SEX….YET YOU HAVE WHITE PEOPLE SAYING GAYS SHOULD BE OUT TO DEATH…AND YOU ———-NEVER———-SEE ALL THIS VITRIOL ON THIS BLOG!!!!
UsualPlayers
The post on the NAACP support of marriage equality received no comments.
villa viper
@UsualPlayers: Listen truth be told I am not white and I honestly don’t even care for white people that much:-( I DO NOT PREFER to date white men and tend to look down on those of my ethnic group that do.
Having said that Tackle and Oh, ok (who I am certain are the same person) are doing a disservice because they are blatantly DENYING the Black community has MAJOR bigotry and prejudice. That is NON-SENSE!! When someone desperately gets on here and tries to defend a lie, I am gonna go after them.
If it is clear your community is prejudice (and YES whites are the worst because they are the MAJORITY) OWN IT!! Don’t deny and lie for your community, be bold and burn these fu..ing illusions down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UsualPlayers
@villa viper: “The poll also found that nearly six in 10 African Americans now support gay marriage, up from around four in 10 before the president’s announcement, according to the Post. While the sample size of African Americans in the survey was small enough to interpret the results with caution, the substantial size of the shift on the issue suggests that the president’s announcement could have had a major impact on attitudes within the African American community.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/229041-poll-more-americans-support-gay-marriage-after-obama-announcement-
There are other polls trending the same way so this poll is not anecdotal.
“Ten days after Barack Obama’s historic announcement, the board of directors of the NAACP voted to endorse marriage equality today. “The mission of the NAACP has always been to ensure the political, social and economic equality of all people. We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law,” stated board chair Roslyn M. Brock.
The resolution, enacted at a meeting in Miami, was almost unanimous—with only 2 of 64 board members voting against it. ”
http://www.queerty.com/breaking-naacp-board-votes-in-support-of-marriage-equality-20120519/
Divide and conquer types like you will be consigned to the dustbins of history on this subject.
You don’t represent the diversity int he black or any other community.
UsualPlayers
By the way, I expect you and other divide and conquer types to ignore the data in favor of your prejudices. You ignored my post about NAACP to babble on about something you were actually wrong about.
Shannon1981
I do not understand black people being Christians. I am one. We were introduced to this horrible religion as SLAVES. BY WHITE SLAVE MASTERS. Why the hell are they so all for it? Don’t get it, don’t want to. In short, the black church can suck my strap on dick.
villa viper
@Shannon1981: @Shannon1981: Shannon1981 out of ALL of the silly and not getting any where post’s on here. YOU hit the nail on the head!!
To take away the master’s tool is the FIRST step and you are aware of it. NICE..
Shannon1981
@villa viper: Thank you. I am not even responding to the never ending racism and race baiting in the posts that happen in every thread involving someone black or a black issue in any way on this site. It’s a lost cause.
I’ve said this to my own family when they’ve used the bible as a weapon. Fuck Christianity. I wish more black people would realize that the black church makes no damn sense. It was the biggest tool slave owners had then, and it is a tool that keeps us enslaved to this day. They are only Christians because slave owners forced slaved to convert.
villa viper
@Shannon1981: You are FU..ING BRILLIANT!! If we had more people like you we would not have the Internalized Oppression (self hatred) that most minorities and GLBT people have…… if we just did away with the Master’s tools
:-)…most of this non-sense would be done with 🙂