Twenty years ago this week, two terrifying titans of horror went head-to-head in a bloody brawl that genre fans had been dying to see for quite some time.
Released in theaters on August 15, 2003, Freddy Vs. Jason pitted dream demon Freddy Krueger against the hockey mask-wearing Jason Voorhees. Their respective slasher series, Nightmare On Elm Street and Friday The 13th, were inescapable in the ’80s, though well past their prime at this point. Still, nostalgia was enough to fuel fervor for this battle royale.
But, two decades on, Freddy Vs. Jason isn’t so much remembered for its clash of characters or its inventive kills, as much as it is for its use of one specific word: F*ggot.
That it was uttered by none other than Kelly Rowland—of Destiny’s Child fame—makes it stand out all the more. Is it an embarrassing and offensive relic of a different time? Or, has sentiment around the word changed enough that we can now reclaim it as an iconic moment in queer cinema history? And most importantly: Can Kelly say f*g?
Wherever you stand, the divisive dialogue remains a subject of debate to this day.
In the film, a fading Freddy is trapped in Hell, unable to haunt the dreams of children who have long stopped fearing him. But he concocts a plan to bring horror back to Elm Street by resurrecting Jason Voorhees and setting him loose on the people of Springwood with his machete.
Eventually, Freddy gets jealous of Jason’s murderous rampage, and the two slashers set their sights on each other, with our group of teen “heroes” caught in the crossfire.
Among them is Kia Waterson—your standard best-friend-in-a-horror-who-almost-certainly-isn’t-going-to-survive role—played by Rowland. Destiny’s Child hadn’t officially disbanded by that point (the excellent Destiny Fulfilled was still on the way), but it’s interesting to note that Rowland’s big-screen debut came out the same summer as Beyoncé’s first record, Dangerously In Love. They were both charting new courses for their solo careers… and Rowland’s involved yelling homophobic slurs at a demon.
(Though, that’s not to denigrate Miss Rowland. The massive success of “Dilemma,” her duet with Nelly the year prior, reportedly delayed the release of Dangerously In Love—so credit where credit’s due.)
Anyway, in the film, Rowland’s Kia intervenes just as Freddy is about to pounce on her friends. Unable to overpower the supernatural villain, she instead uses her words—and what words they are!
“So you’re the one everyone’s afraid of?,” she taunts. “Tell me something: What kind of f*ggot runs around in a Christmas sweater? I mean, come on, get real. You’re not even scary!”
It’s a truly shocking moment—basically out of nowhere, both in the context of the movie and the broader world of cinema at the time. Sure, you might have still heard it in a drama every once in a while, when we’re to understand the person using it was explicitly in the wrong. But the more casual, tossed-off pejorative usage had all but disappeared in movies after the ’80s.
So how, exactly, did it end up in Freddy Vs. Jason?
Well, suspect number one would of course be the script. It was penned by Damian Shannon and Mark Swift, the duo who would go on to write the 2009 reboot of Friday The 13th and the 2017 Baywatch remake. In a 2016 interview with Bloody Disgusting, the pair were vehement that they did not write that specific line:
“All we can tell you is…we didn’t write it,” Shannon and Swift shared, “and we were really shocked when we heard it in the movie. We complained about it after the first screening, but it was never changed. It’s a real stain on the movie, in our opinion.”
If not them, then who? The response almost seems to implicate Rowland, who may have improvised it herself. Or, perhaps the line was fed to her as an alternate from the director or someone else on set that day. Regardless, somehow multiple people involved in the production let it slide. So far as we can tell, Rowland’s never commented on that specific line of dialogue, and we’re left with no definitive answer.
And, hey, if you want to criticize the movie for “endorsing” use of the word, it’s worth noting that Rowland’s character does get brutally killed moments later by Jason and Freddy. Look, she was punished for it after all!
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Which brings us to our final question: Do we still care 20 years later?
For many of us, the word “f*g” haunted our childhoods like a… well, like Freddy Kreuger himself! It was a slur, it was derogatory, it was used by our bullies to make us feel bad about ourselves. However, times have changed, and the word’s undergone a reclamation, of sorts. Now it’s not uncommon for those within the queer community to use it socially, brandishing it as a label worn with pride, or even using it to refer to their best Judys.
Take, for example, beloved queer-inclusive comedy The Other Two. In its first season, a presumably straight, cis female character (played by Kate Berlant) uses it to tell Cary Dubek (Drew Tarver) how much she’s obsessed with him, commenting on how the word is appropriated with positive intent: “I’m gagging for you, f*ggot!” It’s a moment that’s been enjoyed, meme’d, and celebrated across the internet. Clearly something’s shifted.
“I am GAGGING for you faggot!” is the television line of the decade. pic.twitter.com/26BN1QwHgf
— Christoffer James Walls (@enterthetoff) April 25, 2019
And, speaking of memes, it’s become an in-joke on Gay Twitter/X to determine which celebrities can and can’t say “f*g,” typically concluding that allies—specifically women—who have supported and given back to the LGBTQ+ community should be given the freedom to.
In that case, hasn’t Rowland done enough for us? Even beyond Destiny’s Child, she’s hand-delivered plenty of bops over the years—a number of which (looking at you, “Commander“) probably get played at queer bars and nightclubs more than anywhere else. She’s also guested on ballroom competition show Legendary, released a cover of CeCe Peniston classic “Finally” for Pride 2021, and supported various AIDS awareness organizations.
In other words, Kelly Rowland loves the gays and we love her. Does that mean she can say “f*g” then, too? Well, let’s ask the audience:
Of course, we’d prefer if she uses it in the more modern, positive way moving forward—and not as an insult, like she did in Freddy Vs. Jason. But, really, she was only using “f*ggot” to comment on Freddy Kreuger’s classic red-and-green-striped sweater, and even that‘s been reclaimed by the community (see below). So maybe Rowland was ahead of her time?
Even if you prefer not to use the word yourself, hopefully you’re able to laugh at the moment 20 years on. That it’s so completely out of left-field and said by an icon like Kelly Rowland in a schlocky mainstream horror? We haven’t brushed up on the work of Susan Sontag in a while, but we’re pretty sure that falls under her definition of camp.
Freddy Vs. Jason is available for digital rental/purchase via Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV, Google Play, Vudu, and YouTube TV.
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johncp56
To me the word is as bad as the N! word back in the day 20 years ago it was hateful so yes F–got is the N word how it is used at us, a slur but for some movies the use is needed
dbmcvey
It was gross, but I’m not going to make a stink all these years after anyone cares.
CatholicXXX
Because “f*ggots” think they “reclaimed” it. There is no reclaiming the hard F or N. A slur will always be a slur.
dbmcvey
So, how about all those child molesting priests the Catholic Church covered up for. Too bad you can’t get as upset over that as you do for this silly thing.
abfab
How rare! The Pontiff XXX replies! Uh oh, stand back!
Rambeaux
I will never “reclaim” that word.
Growing up and hearing that vulgar word being spit with such hatred and implied violence, I would prefer it never be said again. In any context. By any group.
Brian
I was ready to say I couldn’t be bothered that she read a line given to her by someone else, but then there’s the odd detail that nobody wrote that line. That makes the whole thing stranger, creepier, and maybe more offensive — like, what were those conversations on set like when someone said, “Let’s change the script.” Somebody made a choice that day.
powersthatbe
There is still a difference between a character and and the actor who plays them, right?
jsmu
Erm, NO. A) Rowland is NO actress, of any variety; she’s playing HERSELF, which is all she can do.
B) Most American ‘actors’ are exactly the same. Usually only Brits, and older ones at that, have any technique or skill.
DuMaurier
@jsmu, I’ve never seen Rowland “act” but instinct tells me A) is almost certainly correct
But I don’t think talent (or lack there of) is the point about the difference between the character saying something and the actor saying it. If someone’s playing Hitler you’re not going to condemn him for uttering anti-Semitic dialogue. But if he’s playing the good guy protagonist and he says vile things you’re going to definitely question the screenwriter’s intent, and maybe the actor’s for not having a problem saying it
dario717
Kelly Rowland acting in a 20 year old slasher flick is the least of my modern day concerns.
Zenzuva
Honestly, some of these Queerty writers need to be drowned in a bathtub like a deformed kitten.
HankHarris
In the immortal words of Joe Jackson ‘So don’t call me a f*got, Not unless you are a friend.’ I remember renting this and that scene was kind of shocking. And as all the Gen Z’s say these days, the use of it on The Other Two is totally CRINGE.
abfab
London-Persistant smokes them.
reverse is equally bad
Would a discussion even be happening if he said “you’re a ni&@er in a bad wig.”
Kangol2
Nope but clearly your racist @ss was thinking that!
Kangol2
It was a character she was playing and she ad-libbed and it’s f*cked up but it happened a while ago and I think it’s fair to say, looking at Kelly Rowland’s life and career, that she is not a homophobe or anti-LGBTQ.
Just 3 years ago (2020) she gave loving public thanks to the LGBTQ community “for her career,” for all the support, the fandom, the love, and she has repeatedly shown her love for LGBTQ people in ways large and small. So keep digging in the muck, Queerty, until you find something that sticks.
bachy
I can appreciate the term “f*g” when it’s used in the classy, showbiz idiom of the 1960s. My favorite reference is the way Sharon Tate used it as Jennifer North referring to a gossiping character in “Valley of the Dolls:”
“I wouldn’t pay any attention to that. You know how bitchy f*gs can be!”
abfab
How could we have thrown around Fag Hag as much as we did (with great affection I might add) without saying Fag Hag?
[email protected]
“concluding that allies—specifically women—who have supported and given back to the LGBTQ+ community should be given the freedom to” ….If you’re going to make exceptions to the “rule”, then there is no rule that society in general are going to respect. Manu people say that about the N-word. Many blacks use it in their music yet white people get cancelled for singing that song. What has been lost in today’s society is CONTEXT. What the 1970 sitcoms….the N-word and F word were used but within a context that became a teachable moment without all of the judgment that people seem waiting to inflict on others.
jsmu
Yep, it was a homophobic slur and completely voluntary.
She’s no ‘actress’ by the way LOL!
She may have changed since but she probably was brought up in one of those ugly Xtofascist hellholes of hate and bigotry called ‘black churches’–this reeks of their homophobic bullsh*t.
IanHunter
I guess it was in her script. But I never listen to her music anyway. Does she have new music?
Pistolo
It’s exactly what the early 2000s were like, unfortunately. Everyone said “That’s so gay” and “f-g” as if it were “it”, “and”, or “the” and now they all pretend like they never did and always loved gay people. Yep, as soon as we could promise them a makeover or to get an “in” with girls. I know it’s easy to think gay men are the most privileged of the LGBTQIA but it’s easy to also forget how much a part of HATING gay men specifically was part of the everyday vernacular.
monty clift
Hatred towards gay men hasn’t changed all that much. Now it’s become prominent in the BTQ community.
abfab
And you yourself are experiencing that hate from that community or is this just another one of your blanket statements.
LumpyPillows
Oh, gosh, how out of the loop can one be not to be aware of the vindictiveness to lesbians and gay men these days. The revisionist history trans-washing us out of our own history. As an ex-member of HRC I an tell you for sure it’s a thing.
abfab
Vindictiveness (vocab dot com)
Vindictiveness is a strong desire to get back at someone. People who hold grudges and seek revenge are full of vindictiveness. If someone steps on your toe, and you put on boots to stomp back, you’re full of vindictiveness.
Is this what you mean, Lumpy? Wow, sorry you live/are living that.
monty clift
&LumpyPillows, Right. And then they act all surprised when gays and lesbians don’t want anything to do with them.
abfab
”they” who exactly are you talking about and Monty, tell us all about the numbers and the offenses you yourself have suffered. Who are ”they” and please tell us all about ”the Gays (I being one of them) and the Lesbians who want nothing to do with them.” I think you’re making up more and more bullshit. Actually, we all know you are. Troll.
abfab
lumpy…you must lead a very sad and hard life!
”The revisionist history trans-washing us out of our own history”…..drama queen.
monty clift
I guess reading comprehension is too much work for you, Gopfab, among other things. There is plenty of content from gay men and lesbian women saying they are sick and tired of the homophobia coming from the BTQ community, and not just online. Maybe you should get out more.
abfab
Monty believes everything she reads because she’s an idiot.
Seth
I’ve got a bigger problem with her chastising an audience for, deservedly, booing Chris Brown. Ew.
monty clift
I remember homophobes frothing at the mouth when that garbage clown film came out a few years ago and bragging about how much they enjoyed watching the gay couple be brutally killed on the big screen. Some things never change.
Dwight
her being referred to as “dark meat” just a few moments before is pretty problematic, too.
KellyRobinsonJr
I will acknowledge her lifetime of consistent support for the LGBTQ+ community, a commitment that holds more significance than a rehearsed line in a movie.
LumpyPillows
It’s a movie. Don’t like it, but it is a reminder. That word was the most nasty thing you could call a person back then…well, who wasn’t black. Very hurtful. And yet, so what.
sfhairy
Didn’t concern me then, doesn’t concern me now. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it.
xanadude
Bigger question: Do we care about Kelly Rowland at all? Didn’t realize she was still a thing.